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Old June 10th 15, 04:07 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Joel
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Default Build 1074 feels like Linux

This machine it's slow to open applications and fast to close. That's why I
prefer older Windows versions, they are much smoother. And it's becoming darker
interface like Linux. People usually don't have 16 GB Ram systems where we could
reserve more than 2 GB for Windows 10. These days, normal users have 5400 rpm
hard disk on their laptop and the manufactures are selling atom processors with
32 GB flash drives and 1 or 2 max GB Ram on affordable netbooks and tablets. How
they expect we could upgrade to Windows 10? In older days hardware had faster
evolution than software. Major affordable machines were quite enough to run
modern software changes. But now they are saving in hardware with the excuse we
need to go mobile and software is growing more in size and requisites. Even
actual Linux Os's need better machines. With these netbooks, tablets and other
smart technologies we can't increase the hardware components because they are
hermetic and when something gets broken we have to buy a new one. Please don't
interpret this as a complaint. I'm just giving my opinion about facts. I think
it's not a good move to upgrade to win 10 a 5 years old machine.

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  #2  
Old June 10th 15, 04:22 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Roger Blake[_2_]
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Default Build 1074 feels like Linux

On 2015-06-10, Joel wrote:
This machine it's slow to open applications and fast to close. That's why I
prefer older Windows versions, they are much smoother. And it's becoming darker
interface like Linux.


There is no single "Linux user interface." Linux users have the choice
of quite a few, some very much like Windows, some like nothing else on
Earth. I use Xfce myself which has a pretty traditional look and feel,
and would hardly describe it as "dark."

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Old June 10th 15, 04:23 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Joel
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Default Build 1074 feels like Linux

"Joel" wrote in message ...

This machine it's slow to open applications and fast to close. That's why I
prefer older Windows versions, they are much smoother. And it's becoming darker
interface like Linux. People usually don't have 16 GB Ram systems where we
could reserve more than 2 GB for Windows 10. These days, normal users have 5400
rpm hard disk on their laptop and the manufactures are selling atom processors
with 32 GB flash drives and 1 or 2 max GB Ram on affordable netbooks and
tablets. How they expect we could upgrade to Windows 10? In older days hardware
had faster evolution than software. Major affordable machines were quite enough
to run modern software changes. But now they are saving in hardware with the
excuse we need to go mobile and software is growing more in size and
requisites. Even actual Linux Os's need better machines. With these netbooks,
tablets and other smart technologies we can't increase the hardware components
because they are hermetic and when something gets broken we have to buy a new
one. Please don't interpret this as a complaint. I'm just giving my opinion
about facts. I think it's not a good move to upgrade to win 10 a 5 years old
machine.


I forgot to say that this opinion appears after booting. If I play a little bit
more, Ram begins its work of taking care of the system and things goes a little
more smooth.

  #4  
Old June 10th 15, 04:39 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Dino
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Default Build 1074 feels like Linux

Joel wrote:
This machine it's slow to open applications and fast to close. That's
why I prefer older Windows versions, they are much smoother. And it's
becoming darker interface like Linux. People usually don't have 16 GB
Ram systems where we could reserve more than 2 GB for Windows 10. These
days, normal users have 5400 rpm hard disk on their laptop and the
manufactures are selling atom processors with 32 GB flash drives and 1
or 2 max GB Ram on affordable netbooks and tablets. How they expect we
could upgrade to Windows 10? In older days hardware had faster evolution
than software. Major affordable machines were quite enough to run modern
software changes. But now they are saving in hardware with the excuse we
need to go mobile and software is growing more in size and requisites.
Even actual Linux Os's need better machines. With these netbooks,
tablets and other smart technologies we can't increase the hardware
components because they are hermetic and when something gets broken we
have to buy a new one. Please don't interpret this as a complaint. I'm
just giving my opinion about facts. I think it's not a good move to
upgrade to win 10 a 5 years old machine.

On version 10130 I don't have sound on My AMD box and no way to
configure it.It was working OK until it updated the video driver.No way
to control updates so it being Windows breaks it.
I was thinking the same thing this is Linux but with no tools to fix
stuff. Basically all I can say is what a mess.
  #5  
Old June 10th 15, 05:00 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Joel
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Default Build 1074 feels like Linux

"Roger Blake" wrote in message
...

On 2015-06-10, Joel wrote:
This machine it's slow to open applications and fast to close. That's why I
prefer older Windows versions, they are much smoother. And it's becoming
darker
interface like Linux.


There is no single "Linux user interface." Linux users have the choice
of quite a few, some very much like Windows, some like nothing else on
Earth. I use Xfce myself which has a pretty traditional look and feel,
and would hardly describe it as "dark."


The command console is usually black as ms-dos. I know Linux users can change
the wallpaper and configure the looks. You can have both on same machine, there
is a lot of options to do with those. Only thing I don't understand is why they
say Linux is safer and open source. Should be closed and safer.

  #6  
Old June 10th 15, 05:23 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Stef
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Default Build 1074 feels like Linux

Joel wrote:

This machine it's slow to open applications and fast to close. That's why I
prefer older Windows versions, they are much smoother. And it's becoming darker
interface like Linux. People usually don't have 16 GB Ram systems where we could
reserve more than 2 GB for Windows 10. These days, normal users have 5400 rpm
hard disk on their laptop and the manufactures are selling atom processors with
32 GB flash drives and 1 or 2 max GB Ram on affordable netbooks and tablets. How
they expect we could upgrade to Windows 10? In older days hardware had faster
evolution than software. Major affordable machines were quite enough to run
modern software changes. But now they are saving in hardware with the excuse we
need to go mobile and software is growing more in size and requisites. Even
actual Linux Os's need better machines. With these netbooks, tablets and other
smart technologies we can't increase the hardware components because they are
hermetic and when something gets broken we have to buy a new one. Please don't
interpret this as a complaint. I'm just giving my opinion about facts. I think
it's not a good move to upgrade to win 10 a 5 years old machine.


Unfortunately, what you're describing people today call progress. And
the fact that W10 is running at all on a 5 year old machine is
surprising.

Another thing to consider is that you're dealing with, at best, beta
software. Wait for the final release of W10 the end of July before
making a final decision on its usefulness on your machine.

Also, run the W10 compatibility app. It will tell you if your hardware
is suitable for W10.

Stef
  #7  
Old June 10th 15, 05:32 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Stef
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Default Build 1074 feels like Linux

Joel wrote:

"Roger Blake" wrote in message
...

On 2015-06-10, Joel wrote:
This machine it's slow to open applications and fast to close. That's why I
prefer older Windows versions, they are much smoother. And it's becoming
darker
interface like Linux.


There is no single "Linux user interface." Linux users have the choice
of quite a few, some very much like Windows, some like nothing else on
Earth. I use Xfce myself which has a pretty traditional look and feel,
and would hardly describe it as "dark."


The command console is usually black as ms-dos. I know Linux users can change
the wallpaper and configure the looks. You can have both on same machine, there
is a lot of options to do with those. Only thing I don't understand is why they
say Linux is safer and open source. Should be closed and safer.


With Linux you can change everything or just about. Well, even "just
about" can be changed, but you have to get into the code and recompile
it which you can't do with proprietary "closed" software. And that's
one of the reasons that makes Linux "safer:" you can check the code for
"bad" things, edit them out, and recompile. Or fix errors. Or alter
the app to suit your needs.

Stef
  #8  
Old June 10th 15, 05:34 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Slimer
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Default Build 1074 feels like Linux

On 2015-06-10 11:07 AM, Joel wrote:
This machine it's slow to open applications and fast to close. That's
why I prefer older Windows versions, they are much smoother. And it's
becoming darker interface like Linux. People usually don't have 16 GB
Ram systems where we could reserve more than 2 GB for Windows 10. These
days, normal users have 5400 rpm hard disk on their laptop and the
manufactures are selling atom processors with 32 GB flash drives and 1
or 2 max GB Ram on affordable netbooks and tablets. How they expect we
could upgrade to Windows 10? In older days hardware had faster evolution
than software. Major affordable machines were quite enough to run modern
software changes. But now they are saving in hardware with the excuse we
need to go mobile and software is growing more in size and requisites.
Even actual Linux Os's need better machines. With these netbooks,
tablets and other smart technologies we can't increase the hardware
components because they are hermetic and when something gets broken we
have to buy a new one. Please don't interpret this as a complaint. I'm
just giving my opinion about facts. I think it's not a good move to
upgrade to win 10 a 5 years old machine.


Companies are under no obligation to optimize their code to make sure
that people who are unwilling to buy new hardware can use the latest
version. If you used a computer in the 1990s like I did, you would
already have been accustomed to this.

They cater to those who buy hardware as they are also the people who are
more likely to buy software and increase their profits. If you don't
want to spend, enjoy Linux.

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  #9  
Old June 10th 15, 05:48 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
T
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Default Build 1074 feels like Linux

On 06/10/2015 09:32 AM, Stef wrote:
Joel wrote:

"Roger Blake" wrote in message
...

On 2015-06-10, Joel wrote:
This machine it's slow to open applications and fast to close. That's why I
prefer older Windows versions, they are much smoother. And it's becoming
darker
interface like Linux.

There is no single "Linux user interface." Linux users have the choice
of quite a few, some very much like Windows, some like nothing else on
Earth. I use Xfce myself which has a pretty traditional look and feel,
and would hardly describe it as "dark."


The command console is usually black as ms-dos. I know Linux users can change
the wallpaper and configure the looks. You can have both on same machine, there
is a lot of options to do with those. Only thing I don't understand is why they
say Linux is safer and open source. Should be closed and safer.


With Linux you can change everything or just about. Well, even "just
about" can be changed, but you have to get into the code and recompile
it which you can't do with proprietary "closed" software. And that's
one of the reasons that makes Linux "safer:" you can check the code for
"bad" things, edit them out, and recompile. Or fix errors. Or alter
the app to suit your needs.

Stef


Hi Stef,

By "dark", I think he means "weird". That would be Gnome,
which has gotten really, really W-I-E-R-D. But, he
has about a bazillion other choices. My favorite is
Xfce. Gets the job done and gets out of your way.
I don't care for the "OS as playground" GUI's". (Apple
drives me nuts!)

-T
  #10  
Old June 10th 15, 05:53 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
GreyCloud[_2_]
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Default Build 1074 feels like Linux

Stef wrote:

Joel wrote:

"Roger Blake" wrote in message
...

On 2015-06-10, Joel wrote:
This machine it's slow to open applications and fast to close. That's
why I prefer older Windows versions, they are much smoother. And it's
becoming darker
interface like Linux.

There is no single "Linux user interface." Linux users have the choice
of quite a few, some very much like Windows, some like nothing else on
Earth. I use Xfce myself which has a pretty traditional look and feel,
and would hardly describe it as "dark."


The command console is usually black as ms-dos. I know Linux users can
change the wallpaper and configure the looks. You can have both on same
machine, there is a lot of options to do with those. Only thing I don't
understand is why they say Linux is safer and open source. Should be
closed and safer.


With Linux you can change everything or just about. Well, even "just
about" can be changed, but you have to get into the code and recompile
it which you can't do with proprietary "closed" software. And that's
one of the reasons that makes Linux "safer:" you can check the code for
"bad" things, edit them out, and recompile. Or fix errors. Or alter
the app to suit your needs.


That may be as one that can and understand linux and where the config files
are, but for the rest of the people, linux will be almost impossible for
them to configure without going to some school or class. If their wi-fi
connection doesn't work, what would you think their first reaction to this
will be?

Dell has tried to sell PCs with linux preinstalled and so has HP. Their
efforts were ignored by the public and soon the PCs were pulled from the
market place.

The real problem is computing stagnation. Even HPs CEO recognizes this and
is trying to do something about this. Kind of reminds me of the 70s and
CP/M and S-100 boxes. That market stagnated as well. When IBM came out
with something new, the PC, the CP/M almost died overnight.

  #11  
Old June 10th 15, 06:07 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Dino
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Default Build 1074 feels like Linux

My ASlimer wrote:
On 2015-06-10 11:07 AM, Joel wrote:
This machine it's slow to open applications and fast to close. That's
why I prefer older Windows versions, they are much smoother. And it's
becoming darker interface like Linux. People usually don't have 16 GB
Ram systems where we could reserve more than 2 GB for Windows 10. These
days, normal users have 5400 rpm hard disk on their laptop and the
manufactures are selling atom processors with 32 GB flash drives and 1
or 2 max GB Ram on affordable netbooks and tablets. How they expect we
could upgrade to Windows 10? In older days hardware had faster evolution
than software. Major affordable machines were quite enough to run modern
software changes. But now they are saving in hardware with the excuse we
need to go mobile and software is growing more in size and requisites.
Even actual Linux Os's need better machines. With these netbooks,
tablets and other smart technologies we can't increase the hardware
components because they are hermetic and when something gets broken we
have to buy a new one. Please don't interpret this as a complaint. I'm
just giving my opinion about facts. I think it's not a good move to
upgrade to win 10 a 5 years old machine.


Companies are under no obligation to optimize their code to make sure
that people who are unwilling to buy new hardware can use the latest
version. If you used a computer in the 1990s like I did, you would
already have been accustomed to this.

They cater to those who buy hardware as they are also the people who are
more likely to buy software and increase their profits. If you don't
want to spend, enjoy Linux.

The AMD processor is an fx 8350 black edition that you can still buy on
newegg today 4.0 gig.So I spend and windows still cannot get it wright.
And yes I do enjoy linux as well as windows 8.1

  #12  
Old June 10th 15, 07:36 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Gene Wirchenko[_2_]
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Default Build 1074 feels like Linux

On Wed, 10 Jun 2015 10:53:44 -0600, GreyCloud
wrote:

[snip]

The real problem is computing stagnation. Even HPs CEO recognizes this and
is trying to do something about this. Kind of reminds me of the 70s and
CP/M and S-100 boxes. That market stagnated as well. When IBM came out
with something new, the PC, the CP/M almost died overnight.


Ah, no. The Z-80 had been taken about as far as it could go with
general-purpose systems. That is why the IBM pc took over.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko
  #13  
Old June 10th 15, 07:56 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Roderick Stewart
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On Wed, 10 Jun 2015 16:07:22 +0100, "Joel" wrote:

This machine it's slow to open applications and fast to close. That's why I
prefer older Windows versions, they are much smoother. And it's becoming darker
interface like Linux. People usually don't have 16 GB Ram systems where we could
reserve more than 2 GB for Windows 10. These days, normal users have 5400 rpm
hard disk on their laptop and the manufactures are selling atom processors with
32 GB flash drives and 1 or 2 max GB Ram on affordable netbooks and tablets. How
they expect we could upgrade to Windows 10? In older days hardware had faster
evolution than software. Major affordable machines were quite enough to run
modern software changes. But now they are saving in hardware with the excuse we
need to go mobile and software is growing more in size and requisites. Even
actual Linux Os's need better machines. With these netbooks, tablets and other
smart technologies we can't increase the hardware components because they are
hermetic and when something gets broken we have to buy a new one. Please don't
interpret this as a complaint. I'm just giving my opinion about facts. I think
it's not a good move to upgrade to win 10 a 5 years old machine.


I recently bought an old laptop to mess about with. I fitted a 120GB
SSD (it had no drive when I got it) and have tried installing various
systems on it, including Windows 10. Build 10074 installs and runs
perfectly, and surprisingly quickly for an old machine, but nothing I
can do will get it to accept 10130, either directly from a DVD created
from the ISO, or by provoking the online upgrade. It just goes into
endless loop of showing the little trapezoid window symbol and then
rebooting. My other test computer is fine with it, so it's evidently
an incompatibility that only affects some machines - but how many I
wonder? Will it be fixed in the next build, or will some people find
their computers rendered useless on July 29? Time will tell.

The laptop claims to have a Celeron processor running at 1.66GHz, and
when I got it had only 2GB memory, but it boots and runs Windows 10
fast enough not to feel sluggish at all. Upgrading the memory to 4GB
(the most it can handle apparently) made a slight improvement to
Windows and none at all to Mint, which was fast anyway, and Build
10130 still doesn't install.

So it looks as though with a bit of judicious spending (SSD and a bit
more memory) Windows 10 could possibly liven up an old computer to the
point of actual usefulness, certainly beyond its performance with
Vista, which is what my test laptop had originally. I've used Vista on
laptops of this vintage, and as I recall it could be dire, but I could
almost live with 10 on this one, if I had to, or if it was free.

Rod.
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Old June 10th 15, 08:47 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
GreyCloud[_2_]
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Gene Wirchenko wrote:

On Wed, 10 Jun 2015 10:53:44 -0600, GreyCloud
wrote:

[snip]

The real problem is computing stagnation. Even HPs CEO recognizes this
and
is trying to do something about this. Kind of reminds me of the 70s and
CP/M and S-100 boxes. That market stagnated as well. When IBM came out
with something new, the PC, the CP/M almost died overnight.


Ah, no. The Z-80 had been taken about as far as it could go with
general-purpose systems. That is why the IBM pc took over.


There were 8086 CP/M computers just before IBM came out with their PC.
I remember the one in Seattle that Bill Gates bought out.
That's why in the beginning there was MS dos and CP/M for the IBM PC.

  #15  
Old June 10th 15, 08:48 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
T
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Default Build 1074 feels like Linux

On 06/10/2015 09:53 AM, GreyCloud wrote:
Stef wrote:

Joel wrote:

"Roger Blake" wrote in message
...

On 2015-06-10, Joel wrote:
This machine it's slow to open applications and fast to close. That's
why I prefer older Windows versions, they are much smoother. And it's
becoming darker
interface like Linux.

There is no single "Linux user interface." Linux users have the choice
of quite a few, some very much like Windows, some like nothing else on
Earth. I use Xfce myself which has a pretty traditional look and feel,
and would hardly describe it as "dark."


The command console is usually black as ms-dos. I know Linux users can
change the wallpaper and configure the looks. You can have both on same
machine, there is a lot of options to do with those. Only thing I don't
understand is why they say Linux is safer and open source. Should be
closed and safer.


With Linux you can change everything or just about. Well, even "just
about" can be changed, but you have to get into the code and recompile
it which you can't do with proprietary "closed" software. And that's
one of the reasons that makes Linux "safer:" you can check the code for
"bad" things, edit them out, and recompile. Or fix errors. Or alter
the app to suit your needs.


That may be as one that can and understand linux and where the config files
are, but for the rest of the people, linux will be almost impossible for
them to configure without going to some school or class. If their wi-fi
connection doesn't work, what would you think their first reaction to this
will be?

Dell has tried to sell PCs with linux preinstalled and so has HP. Their
efforts were ignored by the public and soon the PCs were pulled from the
market place.

The real problem is computing stagnation. Even HPs CEO recognizes this and
is trying to do something about this. Kind of reminds me of the 70s and
CP/M and S-100 boxes. That market stagnated as well. When IBM came out
with something new, the PC, the CP/M almost died overnight.


Hi GreyCloud,

What ?!?!?!?! I do this stuff all the time. I can use command line
or the build-in GIU utilties. Linux is as easy, if not easier, to
configure that Windows!

I am constantly using my Live USB and direct USB to troubleshoot
Windows machines. And, on live media the wireless works
spectacularly! So does printer-config!

I think you are remember about 10 years ago. Here is a link
to Fedora Core 22's Live Media. You should burn a bunch of
them and see for yourself:

https://spins.fedoraproject.org/

By the way, good luck telling KDE4 apart from Windows 7 (Windows 7
ripped off KDE4).

-T

 




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