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  #16  
Old June 10th 15, 10:46 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul
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Joel wrote:
"Joel" wrote in message ...

This machine it's slow to open applications and fast to close. That's
why I prefer older Windows versions, they are much smoother. And it's
becoming darker interface like Linux. People usually don't have 16 GB
Ram systems where we could reserve more than 2 GB for Windows 10.
These days, normal users have 5400 rpm hard disk on their laptop and
the manufactures are selling atom processors with 32 GB flash drives
and 1 or 2 max GB Ram on affordable netbooks and tablets. How they
expect we could upgrade to Windows 10? In older days hardware had
faster evolution than software. Major affordable machines were quite
enough to run modern software changes. But now they are saving in
hardware with the excuse we need to go mobile and software is growing
more in size and requisites. Even actual Linux Os's need better
machines. With these netbooks, tablets and other smart technologies we
can't increase the hardware components because they are hermetic and
when something gets broken we have to buy a new one. Please don't
interpret this as a complaint. I'm just giving my opinion about facts.
I think it's not a good move to upgrade to win 10 a 5 years old machine.


I forgot to say that this opinion appears after booting. If I play a
little bit more, Ram begins its work of taking care of the system and
things goes a little more smooth.


If you played a little bit more, you would run "cleanmgr.exe"
as Administrator, and remove Windows.old. You will find the
OS a bit smoother after completing that step.

That advice applies to installing Win10 Preview upgrades,
over the existing Win10 Preview partition. If you're installing
10074 for the very first time (no Windows on the disk when
you start), then it really shouldn't be that slow.

When you buy or accept a free upgrade offer for Windows 10,
don't be in quite such a rush to use "cleanmgr" and remove
Windows.old. Make sure in that case, that any important
files in Windows.old, are stored elsewhere.

*******

It's unclear at this time, how a WIM-boot tablet will get
upgraded, and what leftover file system will exist when it
is finished. The advice on those could well be different.

Paul
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  #17  
Old June 10th 15, 10:53 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Slimer
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Default Build 1074 feels like Linux

On 2015-06-10 3:48 PM, T wrote:
On 06/10/2015 09:53 AM, GreyCloud wrote:
Stef wrote:

Joel wrote:

"Roger Blake" wrote in message
...

On 2015-06-10, Joel wrote:
This machine it's slow to open applications and fast to close. That's
why I prefer older Windows versions, they are much smoother. And it's
becoming darker
interface like Linux.

There is no single "Linux user interface." Linux users have the choice
of quite a few, some very much like Windows, some like nothing else on
Earth. I use Xfce myself which has a pretty traditional look and feel,
and would hardly describe it as "dark."


The command console is usually black as ms-dos. I know Linux users can
change the wallpaper and configure the looks. You can have both on same
machine, there is a lot of options to do with those. Only thing I don't
understand is why they say Linux is safer and open source. Should be
closed and safer.

With Linux you can change everything or just about. Well, even "just
about" can be changed, but you have to get into the code and recompile
it which you can't do with proprietary "closed" software. And that's
one of the reasons that makes Linux "safer:" you can check the code for
"bad" things, edit them out, and recompile. Or fix errors. Or alter
the app to suit your needs.


That may be as one that can and understand linux and where the config
files
are, but for the rest of the people, linux will be almost impossible for
them to configure without going to some school or class. If their wi-fi
connection doesn't work, what would you think their first reaction to
this
will be?

Dell has tried to sell PCs with linux preinstalled and so has HP. Their
efforts were ignored by the public and soon the PCs were pulled from the
market place.

The real problem is computing stagnation. Even HPs CEO recognizes
this and
is trying to do something about this. Kind of reminds me of the 70s and
CP/M and S-100 boxes. That market stagnated as well. When IBM came out
with something new, the PC, the CP/M almost died overnight.


Hi GreyCloud,

What ?!?!?!?! I do this stuff all the time. I can use command line
or the build-in GIU utilties. Linux is as easy, if not easier, to
configure that Windows!

I am constantly using my Live USB and direct USB to troubleshoot
Windows machines. And, on live media the wireless works
spectacularly! So does printer-config!

I think you are remember about 10 years ago. Here is a link
to Fedora Core 22's Live Media. You should burn a bunch of
them and see for yourself:

https://spins.fedoraproject.org/

By the way, good luck telling KDE4 apart from Windows 7 (Windows 7
ripped off KDE4).


Just for fun, I wanted to see how well Linux "just works" on the machine
I own, an MSI GT72 2QD Dominator.

If I install Linux on it:

- The wireless won't work because the chip is too recent
- The operating system won't allow me to switch from the integrated
(Intel HD 4600) graphics to the GPU (NVIDIA GTX 970M) at all. I have to
make this switch within Windows
- The illuminated keyboard doesn't work at all.
- If I use NVIDIA's proprietary driver for the GTX 970M, I can look
forward to a constantly shimmering image.
https://askubuntu.com/questions/565835/integrated-graphics-shows-shimmering-display
& https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=250805.0

In other words, your toiletware doesn't "just work," it's "just annoys
the **** out of the user."

Stop promoting the piece of garbage some pre-teens coded in-between 7th
grade classes. Windows works, Linux doesn't.

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Proud "wintroll"
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  #18  
Old June 10th 15, 11:08 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul
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Roderick Stewart wrote:
On Wed, 10 Jun 2015 16:07:22 +0100, "Joel" wrote:

This machine it's slow to open applications and fast to close. That's why I
prefer older Windows versions, they are much smoother. And it's becoming darker
interface like Linux. People usually don't have 16 GB Ram systems where we could
reserve more than 2 GB for Windows 10. These days, normal users have 5400 rpm
hard disk on their laptop and the manufactures are selling atom processors with
32 GB flash drives and 1 or 2 max GB Ram on affordable netbooks and tablets. How
they expect we could upgrade to Windows 10? In older days hardware had faster
evolution than software. Major affordable machines were quite enough to run
modern software changes. But now they are saving in hardware with the excuse we
need to go mobile and software is growing more in size and requisites. Even
actual Linux Os's need better machines. With these netbooks, tablets and other
smart technologies we can't increase the hardware components because they are
hermetic and when something gets broken we have to buy a new one. Please don't
interpret this as a complaint. I'm just giving my opinion about facts. I think
it's not a good move to upgrade to win 10 a 5 years old machine.


I recently bought an old laptop to mess about with. I fitted a 120GB
SSD (it had no drive when I got it) and have tried installing various
systems on it, including Windows 10. Build 10074 installs and runs
perfectly, and surprisingly quickly for an old machine, but nothing I
can do will get it to accept 10130, either directly from a DVD created
from the ISO, or by provoking the online upgrade. It just goes into
endless loop of showing the little trapezoid window symbol and then
rebooting. My other test computer is fine with it, so it's evidently
an incompatibility that only affects some machines - but how many I
wonder? Will it be fixed in the next build, or will some people find
their computers rendered useless on July 29? Time will tell.

The laptop claims to have a Celeron processor running at 1.66GHz, and
when I got it had only 2GB memory, but it boots and runs Windows 10
fast enough not to feel sluggish at all. Upgrading the memory to 4GB
(the most it can handle apparently) made a slight improvement to
Windows and none at all to Mint, which was fast anyway, and Build
10130 still doesn't install.

So it looks as though with a bit of judicious spending (SSD and a bit
more memory) Windows 10 could possibly liven up an old computer to the
point of actual usefulness, certainly beyond its performance with
Vista, which is what my test laptop had originally. I've used Vista on
laptops of this vintage, and as I recall it could be dire, but I could
almost live with 10 on this one, if I had to, or if it was free.

Rod.


Pull a stick of RAM out of it, and repeat the exercise.

The BIOS "PNP OS" setting should be [No] for modern Windows.
In some cases, the BIOS gets the address map wrong, when defining
segments for all the hardware and the RAM.

On one Asus board, when 4GB of RAM is installed, the USB
controller block gets a bad address defined for it, and
"USB overcurrent" appears printed on the screen. There can
be subtle errors when an older system is bumped to "max RAM",
and the chipset has no memory hoisting, and the BIOS isn't
clever enough to figure out how to handle a bonanza of RAM.

If the installation will finish, then you try placing the extra
RAM back in the machine. And it will likely work at that point.

If you do an inline upgrade, look for a log file. It isn't
likely to identify the culprit, but you never know what you
might find there. When an upgrade installs, the log fills
with the "backout steps", so the trigger event may not be
the very last line in the file.

Paul
  #19  
Old June 10th 15, 11:45 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Roderick Stewart
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On Wed, 10 Jun 2015 18:08:28 -0400, Paul wrote:

I recently bought an old laptop to mess about with. I fitted a 120GB
SSD (it had no drive when I got it) and have tried installing various
systems on it, including Windows 10. Build 10074 installs and runs
perfectly, and surprisingly quickly for an old machine, but nothing I
can do will get it to accept 10130, either directly from a DVD created
from the ISO, or by provoking the online upgrade. It just goes into
endless loop of showing the little trapezoid window symbol and then
rebooting. My other test computer is fine with it, so it's evidently
an incompatibility that only affects some machines - but how many I
wonder? Will it be fixed in the next build, or will some people find
their computers rendered useless on July 29? Time will tell.

The laptop claims to have a Celeron processor running at 1.66GHz, and
when I got it had only 2GB memory, but it boots and runs Windows 10
fast enough not to feel sluggish at all. Upgrading the memory to 4GB
(the most it can handle apparently) made a slight improvement to
Windows and none at all to Mint, which was fast anyway, and Build
10130 still doesn't install.

[...]
Pull a stick of RAM out of it, and repeat the exercise.

The BIOS "PNP OS" setting should be [No] for modern Windows.
In some cases, the BIOS gets the address map wrong, when defining
segments for all the hardware and the RAM.

On one Asus board, when 4GB of RAM is installed, the USB
controller block gets a bad address defined for it, and
"USB overcurrent" appears printed on the screen. There can
be subtle errors when an older system is bumped to "max RAM",
and the chipset has no memory hoisting, and the BIOS isn't
clever enough to figure out how to handle a bonanza of RAM.


It wouldn't install on the original 2GB before I swapped it. I get the
same effect with either 2GB or 4GB, whether installing 10130 from the
DVD or upgrading 10074 to 10130 online.

If the installation will finish, then you try placing the extra
RAM back in the machine. And it will likely work at that point.


The installation doesn't even start. After it's been round the loop so
many times I've got bored with it and switched it off, I go to clear
the disk (using Gparted) to try again (or try something else) and find
that it's still completely blank. The Windows installation hasn't even
got as far as formatting it.

If you do an inline upgrade, look for a log file. It isn't
likely to identify the culprit, but you never know what you
might find there. When an upgrade installs, the log fills
with the "backout steps", so the trigger event may not be
the very last line in the file.


To be honest, I don't think I really care enough to bother. Writing
software that works is a job for the software writers, not me, and
I've got better things to do with the rest of my time. I'll wait and
see what the next build does. Every other system I've tried on this
laptop works just fine.

Rod.
  #20  
Old June 11th 15, 03:28 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Gary Heston
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In article ,
Gene Wirchenko wrote:
On Wed, 10 Jun 2015 10:53:44 -0600, GreyCloud
wrote:


[snip]


The real problem is computing stagnation. Even HPs CEO recognizes this and
is trying to do something about this. Kind of reminds me of the 70s and
CP/M and S-100 boxes. That market stagnated as well. When IBM came out
with something new, the PC, the CP/M almost died overnight.


Ah, no. The Z-80 had been taken about as far as it could go with
general-purpose systems. That is why the IBM pc took over.


Sincerely,


Gene Wirchenko


The IBM PC took over because it had the IBM logo on it, which businesses
regarded as making personal computers legitimate. The 8080 CPU didn't do
much the Z-80 did, while it was 16 bit internally, it was choked down to
8-bit externally.

IBM had the opportunity to select the 68000 family. It was superior to
the Intel architecture, but IBM decided Motorola couldn't provide
enough, if I recall correctly. I wish they'd gone with the 68000,
Motorola already had both 16 and 32-bit versions which would run common
code with the 68008.

Ah, the good old days, when there was more than one processor
architecture. Gone is the National Semi 3232, the RCA 1802, the Motorola
6800 and 68000, the 6502 family, the Fairchild F8, the TI 9900.

I'm sure at least one of you out there has heard of a few of them. The
rest of you were born to late. :-)


Gary

  #21  
Old June 11th 15, 04:05 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Roger Blake[_2_]
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On 2015-06-11, Gary Heston wrote:
I'm sure at least one of you out there has heard of a few of them. The
rest of you were born to late. :-)


Microprocessors are for newbies. ;-) If you don't have 36 bits you're
not playing with a full DEC.

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  #22  
Old June 11th 15, 04:06 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 2015-06-10, Slimer wrote:
Stop promoting the piece of garbage some pre-teens coded in-between 7th
grade classes. Windows works, Linux doesn't.


Windows is crap. TOPS-20 is the bomb.

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  #23  
Old June 11th 15, 04:17 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Gary Heston
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In article ,
Roger Blake wrote:
On 2015-06-11, Gary Heston wrote:
I'm sure at least one of you out there has heard of a few of them. The
rest of you were born to late. :-)


Microprocessors are for newbies. ;-) If you don't have 36 bits you're
not playing with a full DEC.



I have a VAX 6210 and a 6220 in the garage, along with a few
VAXStations, and an IBM System 7 (no relation to Windows or PCs).

And an ASR33 for the 7's console.

I collect old computers.


Gary


  #24  
Old June 11th 15, 04:36 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Roger Blake[_2_]
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On 2015-06-11, Gary Heston wrote:
I have a VAX 6210 and a 6220 in the garage, along with a few
VAXStations, and an IBM System 7 (no relation to Windows or PCs).

And an ASR33 for the 7's console.

I collect old computers.


Sounds great! I used to have a DEC PRO 380 and a MicroVAX II but they
went by the wayside a few moves ago. I used to know a guy that had
one of the "smaller" DEC-20 systems running in his garage, and another
with an IBM Series 1 mini.

I'm ex-DEC so did a lot of work with their systems back in the day.

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  #25  
Old June 11th 15, 06:00 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Stef
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GreyCloud wrote:

Stef wrote:

Joel wrote:

"Roger Blake" wrote in message
...

On 2015-06-10, Joel wrote:
This machine it's slow to open applications and fast to close. That's
why I prefer older Windows versions, they are much smoother. And it's
becoming darker
interface like Linux.

There is no single "Linux user interface." Linux users have the choice
of quite a few, some very much like Windows, some like nothing else on
Earth. I use Xfce myself which has a pretty traditional look and feel,
and would hardly describe it as "dark."


The command console is usually black as ms-dos. I know Linux users can
change the wallpaper and configure the looks. You can have both on same
machine, there is a lot of options to do with those. Only thing I don't
understand is why they say Linux is safer and open source. Should be
closed and safer.


With Linux you can change everything or just about. Well, even "just
about" can be changed, but you have to get into the code and recompile
it which you can't do with proprietary "closed" software. And that's
one of the reasons that makes Linux "safer:" you can check the code for
"bad" things, edit them out, and recompile. Or fix errors. Or alter
the app to suit your needs.


That may be as one that can and understand linux and where the config files
are, but for the rest of the people, linux will be almost impossible for
them to configure without going to some school or class. If their wi-fi
connection doesn't work, what would you think their first reaction to this
will be?


Linux isn't for everyone. And it takes relearning. But Windows users
who try it, for some reason, expect it to be Windows, look like
Windows, and work like Windows. Why? I don't know. But they do. And
they quickly become frustrated and give up.

You don't need to go to school or class to learn Linux. I didn't.
Completely self taught. And my educational background isn't
computers. In fact, ALL my computer expertise I learned from books,
HOWTOs, research, and doing. So, if I can do it, anyone can. If they
try. Most don't. Too much work. They want it easy. Everything handed to
them in a nice neat pretty package. A sad commentary on the state of
contemporary education. And its failure. No one is taught to think
anymore.

What do Windows people do when the wifi doesn't work? They call tech
support. A Linux user will find out why it doesn't work and fix it.

Dell has tried to sell PCs with linux preinstalled and so has HP. Their
efforts were ignored by the public and soon the PCs were pulled from the
market place.


Linux (Ubuntu, I think) still available on Dells, and HPs, too.
Lenovos as well. They just make it hard to find on their web sites.
Probably due to pressure from Microsoft. But it's there.

The real problem is computing stagnation. Even HPs CEO recognizes this and
is trying to do something about this. Kind of reminds me of the 70s and
CP/M and S-100 boxes. That market stagnated as well. When IBM came out
with something new, the PC, the CP/M almost died overnight.


Microsoft and Windows have too much control over the market. That's
where the stagnation lies. Why improve when you have 90% of the market?
Linux, and to a certain extent Apple, are constantly changing and
improving, but they have too little marketshare to have any meaningful
effect. But MS has slowly been loosing ground to Linux. Mainly in the
server area among businesses and governments. They're pricing
themselves out of that market with outrageous licensing and fees.

Stef

  #26  
Old June 11th 15, 06:01 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Stef
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T wrote:

On 06/10/2015 09:32 AM, Stef wrote:
Joel wrote:

"Roger Blake" wrote in message
...

On 2015-06-10, Joel wrote:
This machine it's slow to open applications and fast to close. That's why I
prefer older Windows versions, they are much smoother. And it's becoming
darker
interface like Linux.

There is no single "Linux user interface." Linux users have the choice
of quite a few, some very much like Windows, some like nothing else on
Earth. I use Xfce myself which has a pretty traditional look and feel,
and would hardly describe it as "dark."


The command console is usually black as ms-dos. I know Linux users can change
the wallpaper and configure the looks. You can have both on same machine, there
is a lot of options to do with those. Only thing I don't understand is why they
say Linux is safer and open source. Should be closed and safer.


With Linux you can change everything or just about. Well, even "just
about" can be changed, but you have to get into the code and recompile
it which you can't do with proprietary "closed" software. And that's
one of the reasons that makes Linux "safer:" you can check the code for
"bad" things, edit them out, and recompile. Or fix errors. Or alter
the app to suit your needs.

Stef


Hi Stef,

By "dark", I think he means "weird". That would be Gnome,
which has gotten really, really W-I-E-R-D. But, he
has about a bazillion other choices. My favorite is
Xfce. Gets the job done and gets out of your way.
I don't care for the "OS as playground" GUI's". (Apple
drives me nuts!)


I stopped using GNOME years ago when they first released 3. Wouldn't
run on my system. Old graphics card. And I didn't need 3D artsy-fartsy
graphics anyway. Waste of CPU cycles. I now just use a window manager
and a panel. Low overhead. Allows me to run a "modern" Linux on a
mostly 5 to 8 year old system with no performance problems. Even run
Adobe Photoshop and ACR in Windows XP in a VM with no problems.


Stef

  #27  
Old June 11th 15, 06:53 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
T
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On 06/10/2015 10:00 PM, Stef wrote:
Linux isn't for everyone. And it takes relearning. But Windows users
who try it, for some reason, expect it to be Windows, look like
Windows, and work like Windows. Why? I don't know. But they do. And
they quickly become frustrated and give up.


Hi Stef,

I think it is because the are afraid that they are not
like everyone else.

Lets face it, XP/W7 to the Frankenstein Family (w8 and w10)
is a HUGE learning curve. All of my customers (who failed to
ask me) that got Frankenstein (w8) were almost in tears.
Far less of a learning curve that Linux.

This is why I think that it is about conformity and not
relearning.

-T

“Conformity-the natural instinct to passively yield to that
vague something recognized as authority”
-- Mark Twain

  #28  
Old June 11th 15, 06:57 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
T
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Default Build 1074 feels like Linux

On 06/10/2015 10:01 PM, Stef wrote:
T wrote:

On 06/10/2015 09:32 AM, Stef wrote:
Joel wrote:

"Roger Blake" wrote in message
...

On 2015-06-10, Joel wrote:
This machine it's slow to open applications and fast to close. That's why I
prefer older Windows versions, they are much smoother. And it's becoming
darker
interface like Linux.

There is no single "Linux user interface." Linux users have the choice
of quite a few, some very much like Windows, some like nothing else on
Earth. I use Xfce myself which has a pretty traditional look and feel,
and would hardly describe it as "dark."


The command console is usually black as ms-dos. I know Linux users can change
the wallpaper and configure the looks. You can have both on same machine, there
is a lot of options to do with those. Only thing I don't understand is why they
say Linux is safer and open source. Should be closed and safer.

With Linux you can change everything or just about. Well, even "just
about" can be changed, but you have to get into the code and recompile
it which you can't do with proprietary "closed" software. And that's
one of the reasons that makes Linux "safer:" you can check the code for
"bad" things, edit them out, and recompile. Or fix errors. Or alter
the app to suit your needs.

Stef


Hi Stef,

By "dark", I think he means "weird". That would be Gnome,
which has gotten really, really W-I-E-R-D. But, he
has about a bazillion other choices. My favorite is
Xfce. Gets the job done and gets out of your way.
I don't care for the "OS as playground" GUI's". (Apple
drives me nuts!)


I stopped using GNOME years ago when they first released 3. Wouldn't
run on my system. Old graphics card. And I didn't need 3D artsy-fartsy
graphics anyway. Waste of CPU cycles. I now just use a window manager
and a panel. Low overhead. Allows me to run a "modern" Linux on a
mostly 5 to 8 year old system with no performance problems. Even run
Adobe Photoshop and ACR in Windows XP in a VM with no problems.


Stef



Hi Stef,

Gnome has gotten so very, very W-E-I-R-D. I prefer Xfce.
Those that love W7 will have a hard time telling it apart
from KDE4. (KDE4 was so buggy for the longest while,
but they have finally fix their stuff.)

Photoshop? Have you looked at InkScape? You can run it
in Linux:

https://inkscape.org/en/

-T

  #29  
Old June 11th 15, 09:22 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Roderick Stewart
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On Thu, 11 Jun 2015 05:00:56 +0000 (UTC), Stef
wrote:

Linux isn't for everyone. And it takes relearning. But Windows users
who try it, for some reason, expect it to be Windows, look like
Windows, and work like Windows. Why? I don't know. But they do. And
they quickly become frustrated and give up.


They expect it because Windows is the only system they know, so it's
what they're accustomed to. Fortunately, some recent Linux versions
are very similar to Windows (presumably with the above in mind) so the
amount of relearning need not be very great, probably no greater than
the amount of relearning needed to use a Mac. It's a shame more people
don't know this.

You don't need to go to school or class to learn Linux. I didn't.
Completely self taught. And my educational background isn't
computers. In fact, ALL my computer expertise I learned from books,
HOWTOs, research, and doing. So, if I can do it, anyone can. If they
try. Most don't. Too much work. They want it easy. Everything handed to
them in a nice neat pretty package. A sad commentary on the state of
contemporary education. And its failure. No one is taught to think
anymore.


I couldn't agree more. Formal education doesn't teach very much that's
actually useful in the real world at all. If you want to know how to
do something with any piece of modern technology, it's best to find
out as much as you can yourself.

Rod.
  #30  
Old June 11th 15, 06:35 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Gene Wirchenko[_2_]
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On Wed, 10 Jun 2015 13:47:29 -0600, GreyCloud
wrote:

Gene Wirchenko wrote:

On Wed, 10 Jun 2015 10:53:44 -0600, GreyCloud
wrote:

[snip]

The real problem is computing stagnation. Even HPs CEO recognizes this
and
is trying to do something about this. Kind of reminds me of the 70s and
CP/M and S-100 boxes. That market stagnated as well. When IBM came out
with something new, the PC, the CP/M almost died overnight.


Ah, no. The Z-80 had been taken about as far as it could go with
general-purpose systems. That is why the IBM pc took over.


There were 8086 CP/M computers just before IBM came out with their PC.
I remember the one in Seattle that Bill Gates bought out.
That's why in the beginning there was MS dos and CP/M for the IBM PC.


Microsoft bought the OS (QDOS), not the computers.

Convergent Technologies had an 8086 series of systems, too. Nice
computers.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko
 




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