PDFs ARGH!

"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote:

Why do companies insist on using PDFs where you are required
to fill them in! PDF is a read only document!

No. PDF forms may or may not be configured to allow being filled in online
*by the author*. If the author does not choose to mark the form as capable
of being filled in online, blame the author, not the PDF file.

And yes, there are far too many brain-dead forms produced by brain-dead
authors where the file should have been marked for online use.

Joe

On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 16:19:12 -0000, Joe Morris wrote:

"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote:

Why do companies insist on using PDFs where you are required
to fill them in! PDF is a read only document!

No. PDF forms may or may not be configured to allow being filled in online
*by the author*. If the author does not choose to mark the form as capable
of being filled in online, blame the author, not the PDF file.

And yes, there are far too many brain-dead forms produced by brain-dead

The default being read only is simply wrong. It's Adobe's fault. Why should an author assume the default is read only? If you want to protect something, every single other format has the OPTION, not the default.

It shouldn't really surprise me, Adobe is a piece of **** company like Apple who do things differently and **** up the world. Morons with more money than sense keep buying their stuff.

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Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote on 11/26/2015 11:30 AM:
Why do companies insist on using PDFs where you are required to fill
them in! PDF is a read only document!


Because it's a very useful tool. Does your pdf reader not enable you to
fill in pdf forms? If so, get the free Foxit Reader.

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On 11/27/2015 11:25 AM, Ed Mullen wrote:
Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote on 11/26/2015 11:30 AM:
Why do companies insist on using PDFs where you are required to fill
them in! PDF is a read only document!


Because it's a very useful tool. Does your pdf reader not enable you to
fill in pdf forms? If so, get the free Foxit Reader.

I posted earlier that I learned about adding text comments to a PDF
document. I did not say that I am using Adobe Reader DC.

If you have not updated to the DC version it is significantly faster the
revision X

On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 16:25:36 -0000, Ed Mullen wrote:

Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote on 11/26/2015 11:30 AM:
Why do companies insist on using PDFs where you are required to fill
them in! PDF is a read only document!


Because it's a very useful tool. Does your pdf reader not enable you to
fill in pdf forms? If so, get the free Foxit Reader.

Irrelevant. The point is the form should be openable and editable by 99% of us. Not those clued up enough to download a new piece of software.

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On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 16:30:32 -0000, Keith Nuttle wrote:

On 11/27/2015 11:25 AM, Ed Mullen wrote:
Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote on 11/26/2015 11:30 AM:
Why do companies insist on using PDFs where you are required to fill
them in! PDF is a read only document!


Because it's a very useful tool. Does your pdf reader not enable you to
fill in pdf forms? If so, get the free Foxit Reader.

I posted earlier that I learned about adding text comments to a PDF
document. I did not say that I am using Adobe Reader DC.

If you have not updated to the DC version it is significantly faster the
revision X

It's meant to autoupdate.... Or is that broken too?

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On 27/11/2015 13:17, Brian Gregory wrote:
On 26/11/2015 20:22, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 20:00:37 -0000, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

On 11/26/2015 11:30 AM, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
Why do companies insist on using PDFs where you are required to fill
them in! PDF is a read only document!

PDF can be made to be fill in forms. If it is a PDF form you will have
to save to a PDF file to save the form with the information

I've hardly ever seen that happen. The fact remains we just don't need
PDF.


What do you suggest instead?

In Italy, when we do our taxes online, we use web forms.
Web tax return forms automatically calculate your totals and how much
you are due to pay.
That wouldn't be possible with a PDF form.

On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 16:43:01 -0000, edevils wrote:

On 27/11/2015 13:17, Brian Gregory wrote:
On 26/11/2015 20:22, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 20:00:37 -0000, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

On 11/26/2015 11:30 AM, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
Why do companies insist on using PDFs where you are required to fill
them in! PDF is a read only document!

PDF can be made to be fill in forms. If it is a PDF form you will have
to save to a PDF file to save the form with the information

I've hardly ever seen that happen. The fact remains we just don't need
PDF.


What do you suggest instead?

In Italy, when we do our taxes online, we use web forms.
Web tax return forms automatically calculate your totals and how much
you are due to pay.
That wouldn't be possible with a PDF form.

Why do you have to do your taxes at all?

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This is surely proof positive that Alabama was at one time the Garden of Eden.

On 27/11/2015 17:55, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 16:43:01 -0000, edevils
wrote:

On 27/11/2015 13:17, Brian Gregory wrote:
On 26/11/2015 20:22, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 20:00:37 -0000, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

On 11/26/2015 11:30 AM, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
Why do companies insist on using PDFs where you are required to fill
them in! PDF is a read only document!

PDF can be made to be fill in forms. If it is a PDF form you will have
to save to a PDF file to save the form with the information

I've hardly ever seen that happen. The fact remains we just don't need
PDF.


What do you suggest instead?

In Italy, when we do our taxes online, we use web forms.
Web tax return forms automatically calculate your totals and how much
you are due to pay.
That wouldn't be possible with a PDF form.

Why do you have to do your taxes at all?

Actually many (most?) people don't have to.

On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 17:03:08 -0000, edevils wrote:

On 27/11/2015 17:55, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 16:43:01 -0000, edevils
wrote:

On 27/11/2015 13:17, Brian Gregory wrote:
On 26/11/2015 20:22, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 20:00:37 -0000, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

On 11/26/2015 11:30 AM, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
Why do companies insist on using PDFs where you are required to fill
them in! PDF is a read only document!

PDF can be made to be fill in forms. If it is a PDF form you will have
to save to a PDF file to save the form with the information

I've hardly ever seen that happen. The fact remains we just don't need
PDF.


What do you suggest instead?

In Italy, when we do our taxes online, we use web forms.
Web tax return forms automatically calculate your totals and how much
you are due to pay.
That wouldn't be possible with a PDF form.

Why do you have to do your taxes at all?

Actually many (most?) people don't have to.

I can only speak for the UK, where only the self employed fill in taxes, and even then not much unless you're getting a spot check.

Apparently in 3rd world USA, every single citizen has to fill them in!

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On 27/11/2015 17:15:23, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 17:03:08 -0000, edevils
wrote:

On 27/11/2015 17:55, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 16:43:01 -0000, edevils
wrote:

On 27/11/2015 13:17, Brian Gregory wrote:
On 26/11/2015 20:22, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 20:00:37 -0000, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

On 11/26/2015 11:30 AM, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
Why do companies insist on using PDFs where you are required to fill
them in! PDF is a read only document!

PDF can be made to be fill in forms. If it is a PDF form you will have
to save to a PDF file to save the form with the information

I've hardly ever seen that happen. The fact remains we just don't need
PDF.


What do you suggest instead?

In Italy, when we do our taxes online, we use web forms.
Web tax return forms automatically calculate your totals and how much
you are due to pay.
That wouldn't be possible with a PDF form.

Why do you have to do your taxes at all?

Actually many (most?) people don't have to.

I can only speak for the UK, where only the self employed fill in taxes

I'm retired and still have to do self assessment on line in the UK.

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mick

On 11/27/2015 11:24 AM, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 16:19:12 -0000, Joe Morris
wrote:

"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote:

Why do companies insist on using PDFs where you are required
to fill them in! PDF is a read only document!

No. PDF forms may or may not be configured to allow being filled in
online
*by the author*. If the author does not choose to mark the form as
capable
of being filled in online, blame the author, not the PDF file.

And yes, there are far too many brain-dead forms produced by brain-dead

The default being read only is simply wrong. It's Adobe's fault. Why
should an author assume the default is read only? If you want to
protect something, every single other format has the OPTION, not the
default.

The default is not read-only. Unless the PDF is specifically locked, it
can be copied or edited.

Originally, PDF was used to create documents that could be shared and
printed by anyone, regardless of platform or OS version. The only
alternative was to share a word processing document, which created all
kinds of problems, like incompatible OSs, word processor versions, fonts
that didn't exist on the recipient's computer, and so on.

Since PDF is based on Adobe's PostScript language, it wasn't long before
it eliminated the need for expensive prepress tasks, often saving
thousands (or tens of thousands) on print jobs.

PDF forms that can be filled in have been around for well over a decade,
and are pretty widely used.

Anyone thinking that Adobe's success and market position was a fluke is
badly misinformed.
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Neil

On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 20:37:29 -0000, Neil wrote:

On 11/27/2015 11:24 AM, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 16:19:12 -0000, Joe Morris
wrote:

"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote:

Why do companies insist on using PDFs where you are required
to fill them in! PDF is a read only document!

No. PDF forms may or may not be configured to allow being filled in
online
*by the author*. If the author does not choose to mark the form as
capable
of being filled in online, blame the author, not the PDF file.

And yes, there are far too many brain-dead forms produced by brain-dead

The default being read only is simply wrong. It's Adobe's fault. Why
should an author assume the default is read only? If you want to
protect something, every single other format has the OPTION, not the
default.

The default is not read-only. Unless the PDF is specifically locked, it
can be copied or edited.

Most PDFs cannot be edited, therefore it must be the default. Most people would not choose to lock them.

Originally, PDF was used to create documents that could be shared and
printed by anyone, regardless of platform or OS version.

Until you got bloody Mac resource forks missing....

The only
alternative was to share a word processing document, which created all
kinds of problems, like incompatible OSs, word processor versions, fonts
that didn't exist on the recipient's computer, and so on.

Not a problem nowadays.

Since PDF is based on Adobe's PostScript language, it wasn't long before
it eliminated the need for expensive prepress tasks, often saving
thousands (or tens of thousands) on print jobs.

What? Printers print any type of document quite easily without much money being spent.

PDF forms that can be filled in have been around for well over a decade,
and are pretty widely used.

Anyone thinking that Adobe's success and market position was a fluke is
badly misinformed.

Lots of companies are successful and produce ****.

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In 1873, the British refined the idea by taking the intestine out of the goat first.

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"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote:

On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 18:29:26 -0000, Nomen Nescio wrote:

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"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote:

Why do companies insist on using PDFs where you are required to fill them in! PDF is a read only document!


Not if it has form fields. Perhaps you need a more flexible pdf
reader.

That's my point. The standard Adobe Reader, which is what Jo Public has, doesn't let you edit most of them.

Wrong. I use free Adobe Reader DC. Form fill is there easily.

On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 21:08:49 -0000, Nomen Nescio wrote:

In article
"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote:

On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 18:29:26 -0000, Nomen Nescio wrote:

In article
"Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote:

Why do companies insist on using PDFs where you are required to fill them in! PDF is a read only document!


Not if it has form fields. Perhaps you need a more flexible pdf
reader.

That's my point. The standard Adobe Reader, which is what Jo Public has, doesn't let you edit most of them.

Wrong. I use free Adobe Reader DC. Form fill is there easily.

You're not Jo Public, I've never even heard of "DC". I assume it's a recent upgrade, so, not always been there has it?

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