PDFs ARGH!

On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 13:52:50 -0000, "Tough Guy no. 1265"
wrote:

A person has bought MS Word, or installed one of the open sources word
processors, will e able to open a DOC or RTF file. But working with the
church I have come across many people who buy a computer and use the
word processor that came on the computer, it MS Works and the Mac
equivalent.

MS Works was discontinued after Version 9, 9/28/2007. There's
some who've kept it and some say that it will run on Windows 10.
But some say it won't. Whatever, it's long in the tooth. It was
never part of the Windows operating system, but often was
included by manufacturers.

On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 21:30:56 -0000, Kirk Bubul wrote:

On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 13:52:50 -0000, "Tough Guy no. 1265"
wrote:

A person has bought MS Word, or installed one of the open sources word
processors, will e able to open a DOC or RTF file. But working with the
church I have come across many people who buy a computer and use the
word processor that came on the computer, it MS Works and the Mac
equivalent.

MS Works was discontinued after Version 9, 9/28/2007. There's
some who've kept it and some say that it will run on Windows 10.
But some say it won't. Whatever, it's long in the tooth. It was
never part of the Windows operating system, but often was
included by manufacturers.

It should never have existed. A M$ word processor which created documents which the paid for M$ word processor couldn't read without some technical fiddling.

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On 27 Nov 2015, "Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10:

You're the ignorant one who thinks just because something can be,
that it is.

You're the one who claims that "PDF is a read only document". You're
wrong.

On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 22:28:08 -0000, Nil wrote:

On 27 Nov 2015, "Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10:

You're the ignorant one who thinks just because something can be,
that it is.

You're the one who claims that "PDF is a read only document". You're
wrong.

I'm correct. It usually is, as the authors forget, or the person reading it just has the basic reader and doesn't know how to fiddle with it to make it edit. Acrobat reader is not like a word processor, you can't just type. I've lost count of the number of times a friend or neighbour has had me **** about to get one editable so they can use it.

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Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote on 11/27/2015 7:59 AM:

When is the US going to get out of the last century? It's utterly ridiculous to have every one of your people filling in taxes.


You don't have deductions that reduce the amount of tax you pay?

On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 22:54:08 -0000, Cy Burnot wrote:

Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote on 11/27/2015 7:59 AM:

When is the US going to get out of the last century? It's utterly ridiculous to have every one of your people filling in taxes.

You don't have deductions that reduce the amount of tax you pay?

Yes, but the employer does it. It's called PAYE (Pay As You Earn). Our wage slips show these deductions, but the amount going into our bank accounts is simply the net amount after deductions. We don't have to concern ourselves with the deductions at all. I think if you have two part time jobs something gets more complicated, but only for the employer. I think you have to decide which is the main job (the highest paying one?) and they deduct your total taxes from that one, the other just leaving it alone. I'm just guessing, but it's something along those lines.

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On 27 Nov 2015, "Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10:

I'm correct. It usually is, as the authors forget, or the person
reading it just has the basic reader and doesn't know how to
fiddle with it to make it edit. Acrobat reader is not like a word
processor, you can't just type. I've lost count of the number of
times a friend or neighbour has had me **** about to get one
editable so they can use it.

Ignorance of the app is no excuse. If the document is editable, it's
still editable whether you know how to do it or not.

Please tell me you're joking. You can't possibly be as dense as you
appear.

Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote on 11/27/2015 5:59 PM:
On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 22:54:08 -0000, Cy Burnot wrote:

Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote on 11/27/2015 7:59 AM:

When is the US going to get out of the last century? It's utterly ridiculous to have every one of your people filling in taxes.

You don't have deductions that reduce the amount of tax you pay?

Yes, but the employer does it. It's called PAYE (Pay As You Earn).
Our wage slips show these deductions, but the amount going into our
bank accounts is simply the net amount after deductions. We don't
have to concern ourselves with the deductions at all.

What about variable deductions, like medical expenses and donations to
charities?

On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 23:29:46 -0000, Nil wrote:

On 27 Nov 2015, "Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10:

I'm correct. It usually is, as the authors forget, or the person
reading it just has the basic reader and doesn't know how to
fiddle with it to make it edit. Acrobat reader is not like a word
processor, you can't just type. I've lost count of the number of
times a friend or neighbour has had me **** about to get one
editable so they can use it.

Ignorance of the app is no excuse. If the document is editable, it's
still editable whether you know how to do it or not.

Please tell me you're joking. You can't possibly be as dense as you
appear.

I'm not talking about what you can do, what I can do, or what any other clued up computer knowledgeable person can do. I'm talking about the average person trying to fill in a form using their computer which will almost certainly not have Foxit reader or anything else on it.

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On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 23:36:50 -0000, Cy Burnot wrote:

Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote on 11/27/2015 5:59 PM:
On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 22:54:08 -0000, Cy Burnot wrote:

Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote on 11/27/2015 7:59 AM:

When is the US going to get out of the last century? It's utterly ridiculous to have every one of your people filling in taxes.

You don't have deductions that reduce the amount of tax you pay?

Yes, but the employer does it. It's called PAYE (Pay As You Earn).
Our wage slips show these deductions, but the amount going into our
bank accounts is simply the net amount after deductions. We don't
have to concern ourselves with the deductions at all.

What about variable deductions, like medical expenses and donations to
charities?

Mostly people don't have medical expenses, the vast majority of us use the free National Health Service.

As for other things like charities, most of us don't bother deducting. I assume you can apply for a deduction somewhere, if we have such a rule, I have no idea.

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On 27 Nov 2015, "Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10:

On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 23:29:46 -0000, Nil
wrote:

On 27 Nov 2015, "Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10:

I'm correct. It usually is, as the authors forget, or the
person reading it just has the basic reader and doesn't know how
to fiddle with it to make it edit. Acrobat reader is not like a
word processor, you can't just type. I've lost count of the
number of times a friend or neighbour has had me **** about to
get one editable so they can use it.

Ignorance of the app is no excuse. If the document is editable,
it's still editable whether you know how to do it or not.

Please tell me you're joking. You can't possibly be as dense as
you appear.

I'm not talking about what you can do, what I can do, or what any
other clued up computer knowledgeable person can do. I'm talking
about the average person trying to fill in a form using their
computer which will almost certainly not have Foxit reader or
anything else on it.

Irrelevant. You changing goalposts does not change the facts.

On 28/11/2015 00:36, Cy Burnot wrote:
Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote on 11/27/2015 5:59 PM:
On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 22:54:08 -0000, Cy Burnot wrote:

Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote on 11/27/2015 7:59 AM:

When is the US going to get out of the last century? It's utterly ridiculous to have every one of your people filling in taxes.

You don't have deductions that reduce the amount of tax you pay?

Yes, but the employer does it. It's called PAYE (Pay As You Earn).
Our wage slips show these deductions, but the amount going into our
bank accounts is simply the net amount after deductions. We don't
have to concern ourselves with the deductions at all.

What about variable deductions, like medical expenses and donations to
charities?

In Italy we are going to have medical expenses automatically deducted
too, starting next year.

On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 23:44:28 -0000, Nil wrote:

On 27 Nov 2015, "Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10:

On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 23:29:46 -0000, Nil
wrote:

On 27 Nov 2015, "Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10:

I'm correct. It usually is, as the authors forget, or the
person reading it just has the basic reader and doesn't know how
to fiddle with it to make it edit. Acrobat reader is not like a
word processor, you can't just type. I've lost count of the
number of times a friend or neighbour has had me **** about to
get one editable so they can use it.

Ignorance of the app is no excuse. If the document is editable,
it's still editable whether you know how to do it or not.

Please tell me you're joking. You can't possibly be as dense as
you appear.

I'm not talking about what you can do, what I can do, or what any
other clued up computer knowledgeable person can do. I'm talking
about the average person trying to fill in a form using their
computer which will almost certainly not have Foxit reader or
anything else on it.

Irrelevant. You changing goalposts does not change the facts.

I haven't moved any posts. My original post was about how PDFs are not suited to forms to be filled in. And that is still my point.

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On 28/11/2015 00:53, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 23:44:28 -0000, Nil
wrote:

On 27 Nov 2015, "Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10:

On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 23:29:46 -0000, Nil
wrote:

On 27 Nov 2015, "Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10:

I'm correct. It usually is, as the authors forget, or the
person reading it just has the basic reader and doesn't know how
to fiddle with it to make it edit. Acrobat reader is not like a
word processor, you can't just type. I've lost count of the
number of times a friend or neighbour has had me **** about to
get one editable so they can use it.

Ignorance of the app is no excuse. If the document is editable,
it's still editable whether you know how to do it or not.

Please tell me you're joking. You can't possibly be as dense as
you appear.

I'm not talking about what you can do, what I can do, or what any
other clued up computer knowledgeable person can do. I'm talking
about the average person trying to fill in a form using their
computer which will almost certainly not have Foxit reader or
anything else on it.

Irrelevant. You changing goalposts does not change the facts.

I haven't moved any posts. My original post was about how PDFs are not
suited to forms to be filled in. And that is still my point.

PDFs were introduced in the fax machine era. You had to print the PDF,
fill in the paper form, sign it manually, then fax it.
Nowadays fax machines are on the verge of extinction, but they kept
using PDFs and made them editable.

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said:

Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote on 11/27/2015 5:59 PM:
On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 22:54:08 -0000, Cy Burnot wrote:

Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote on 11/27/2015 7:59 AM:

When is the US going to get out of the last century? It's utterly ridiculous to have every one of your people filling in taxes.

You don't have deductions that reduce the amount of tax you pay?

Yes, but the employer does it. It's called PAYE (Pay As You Earn).
Our wage slips show these deductions, but the amount going into our
bank accounts is simply the net amount after deductions. We don't
have to concern ourselves with the deductions at all.

What about variable deductions, like medical expenses and donations to
charities?

Most countries don't have substantial medical expenses like the US, but
for those that do, at least some have automated this process. Charities
can automatically file their receipts too, if enough people donate
enough money to be worthwhile.

What benefit is there is having people fill out paperwork when the gov't
already receives the information they need for the majority of
individuals automatically?

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