'Get Windows 10' Turns Itself On and Nags Win 7 and 8.1 UsersTwice a Day

On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 00:47:11 -0000 (UTC), Roger Blake
wrote:

I strongly suspect
that Microsoft would down the road like to get regular fees from Windows
users, as they do with Office 365, if they thought they could get away
with it.


But note that Office can be bought *or* rented. Office 365 is the
rental version, but it's not (at least not so far) the only choice.

On 2016-01-16 7:47 PM, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2016-01-17, Slimer wrote:
I don't believe that Windows 10 will be a service that you pay for.
Everyone is assuming that will happen but so far, not one soul has any
evidence of that happening anytime soon.

We don't know yet what the end game is with this. I strongly suspect
that Microsoft would down the road like to get regular fees from Windows
users, as they do with Office 365, if they thought they could get away
with it. As you say though I don't believe it will be any time soon.

The increasingly aggressive way they are pushing this upgrade is pretty
disturbing though.

I believe that it is a strategy more than anything else; the sooner
everyone moves onto the unified platform which Windows 10 is supposed to
be, the easier it will be to convince third-parties to develop software
which will run on all platforms in the same manner. As I understand it,
if the same version of Windows 10 is being used on a smartphone, a
tablet and a desktop, that means that any program developed with Windows
10 in mind would allow it to run on either of those three. It increases
the amount of software available for platforms which are currently being
underserved (tablet and smartphone) and doesn't compromise their quality
at all. If anything, this kind of strategy is genius as it allows a
person to get work done no matter where they are and what technology is
at their disposal.

By allowing people to cling to Windows 7 and 8, Microsoft would have to
continue supporting the old model of software development where a
program is strictly available for the desktop or mobile. Like I said, it
also forces them to allocate resources to support those older platforms.
Concentrating wholeheartedly on Windows 10 will allow them to save money
on programmers (if they want to liquidate them) or increase how many
resources are put to Windows 10 development and innovation which would
allow the product to become faster, more intuitive and more stable in a
shorter amount of time. To say the least, I am all for it.


--
Slimer
EFF & OpenMedia member / IFAW, Mozilla & PETA supporter
"Everything seems to work fine, except that occasionally everything
freezes." - Another one of GNU/Linux's many victims

On 2016-01-16 8:26 PM, Good Guy wrote:
On 16/01/2016 23:52, Johnny wrote:
Windows 10 convinced me to stop using any Microsoft products, and I
have removed Windows from all my computers.

You can now stop posting here because you are unlikely to have anything
meaningful to suggest. This newsgroup is for people using Windows
products and in particular people using Windows 10.

GNU/Linux losers love to paint the picture that Microsoft is evil and
they do so desperately. It used to be "evil" for Microsoft to charge for
Windows and its upgrades. Now that they didn't (and there is no
advantage to going to free GNU/Linux), they are focusing on security and
ethics... to no avail. The only hope they have a hope of converting are
the morons who still use Windows 2000 or XP and refuse to update. These
people use the same kind of dumpster hardware GNU/Linux losers usually
rely on.

Any stop your stupidity to cross-post on every newsgroup you can find on
this planet.

For those of you who are still in doubt, the subject matter of this
thread is false and misleading. I am using Windows 7 to post this
message and I am not getting any pop-ups or nags to upgrade my machine.
Either I know how to use Windows efficiently or that you guys are
completely stupid and now crying like small babies. Grow up and learn
to look after yourselves.

+1


--
Slimer
EFF & OpenMedia member / IFAW, Mozilla & PETA supporter
"Everything seems to work fine, except that occasionally everything
freezes." - Another one of GNU/Linux's many victims

On 2016-01-17 9:49 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 00:47:11 -0000 (UTC), Roger Blake
wrote:

I strongly suspect
that Microsoft would down the road like to get regular fees from Windows
users, as they do with Office 365, if they thought they could get away
with it.


But note that Office can be bought *or* rented. Office 365 is the
rental version, but it's not (at least not so far) the only choice.

Exactly. The same way that I purchased Office 2013 (and 2010, 2007 and
2003), you can still purchase 2016 if you don't like the rental model.

--
Slimer
EFF & OpenMedia member / IFAW, Mozilla & PETA supporter
"Everything seems to work fine, except that occasionally everything
freezes." - Another one of GNU/Linux's many victims

On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 07:46:08 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 00:42:31 -0000 (UTC), Roger Blake
wrote:

Frankly, if you gave me a free Ferrari I would give
it back.


Frankly, if you gave me a free Ferrari, I would sell it.

ill giveyou part of the answer an d you can google the rest to fix it
yourself and learn something. microstiff puts a update that allows
this to happen. delete the update and you delete your problem.

On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 00:32:37 -0000, Jake wrote:



"Mr Macaw" wrote in message news
On Sat, 16 Jan 2016 22:25:12 -0000, edevils
wrote:

On 16/01/2016 22:47, Jake wrote:


"edevils" wrote in message ...

On 16/01/2016 18:14, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jan 2016 17:06:39 -0000, Paul wrote:

Fritz Wuehler wrote:

So, free Windows is just like Linux now. A lot of code and
promising crap that never gets fixed or developed further.

Most of the time, we end up not understanding
why they're changing things. If the objective was
to in an obvious way, "make Win10 better and better",
I might have a more positive attitude to the rolling
release idea and what they're actually doing to it.

For example, the desktop version uses Windows
Update. The latest builds added Update Orchestrator,
which sits above Windows Update, a piece of software
used on the Enterprise edition. Do consumers
need Update Orchestrator ? No.
Did the policies in the OS change, because
of the presence of Update Orchestrator ? Yes.
Is the overall change an improvement for
consumers ? No.

The desktop version is being used as a testbed,
and for ideas that may have no positive impact
on the consumer version itself. And that's not
really the intention of the rolling release idea.
It's an abuse of rolling release.

Yawn..... it works for me, it's the nicest OS I've ever used. And it's
not gone wrong once.

It works for me too, but the fact that it is being used as a testbed,
like Paul put it, combined with the nearly "unstoppable" automatic
updates, makes me a bit unconfortable. I mean, a new feature update
could break it any time, could it not?

I've allowed MS to update my machines automatically for years without an
issue.

Same here.
But automatic updates did not include new features, usually, in previous
Windows versions.

Why would that increase the chances of a monumental ****up?

However, a Win 10 update a few weeks ago did change some of my
settings. But no problems since then.
But since we have no choice, lets see how it plays out.

However, Windows 10 *Professional* allows you to defer risky feature
upgrades, while still receiving security patches as soon as they are
released. That's why I deem Pro safer than Home.

Why would anyone have less than the full version?

Now that is an interesting question. I've got what the machine came with.
Since it's "free", I'm wondering if I can upgrade free?

I'm going to sniff around.

I'll keep you posted.

When you bought the machine, why did you not ask for a better version?

--
The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason -- Benjamin Franklin

On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 00:34:09 -0000, Slimer wrote:

On 2016-01-16 7:13 PM, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jan 2016 23:52:44 -0000, Johnny wrote:

On Sat, 16 Jan 2016 18:13:10 -0500
Caver1 wrote:

On 01/16/2016 02:38 PM, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jan 2016 19:23:03 -0000, Thip wrote:

"Mr Macaw" wrote in message
news On Sat, 16 Jan 2016 17:38:35 -0000, Paul
wrote:

Mr Macaw wrote:


Yawn..... it works for me, it's the nicest OS I've ever used.
And it's not gone wrong once.

Yes, I can see your carefully reasoned argument.

It's my experience. Windows doesn't annoy me at all. The only
thing M$ ever did that irritated me was Metro in Windows 8, which
made me use classic shell. Apart from that, M$ have done nothing
but improve Windows.

What irritates me is that MS is trying to ram 10 down my throat.
That's my decision, not theirs.

You don't need to have the decision to use the second best
Windows. And for ****'s sake it's FREE! It's unbelievable that
Microsoft are for once GIVING STUFF AWAY then people STILL bloody
complain about it. For crying out loud, get a life!


It's not that it's being given free it's because they are
trying to force everyone to upgrade when there is no reason
for this attitude.


I'm sure Microsoft has a reason for that attitude.

I think Microsoft is giving it away free for two reasons, and both are
money. One is money from the users, because Windows will become a
service that you have to pay for just like your phone bill, and the
other is money from the government for the information it collects
about its customers.

Windows 10 convinced me to stop using any Microsoft products, and I
have removed Windows from all my computers.

What a ridiculous overreaction. I continue to use Windows because:
It's what I'm used to.
It's got a better interface than other OSs.
It's what most people use, which means more programs available and it's
the assumed default when anything needs fixing etc.
Oh and it's now free!

Everyone is expecting the absolute worst from Windows 10 going forward
and people seem to be forgetting that Microsoft is AWARE that many
people buy computers and can't/won't afford to pay a monthly fee to use
the operating system. It is incredibly unlikely that they'll turn the OS
into a service and charge for it, especially since they already seem to
be making money from it through the (anonymous) data they acquire from
the users. It's what Google has done and it works for them so there's no
reason to believe that Microsoft won't do the same thing.

Charging monthly would make everyone leave, including myself, unless it's a miniscule fee - there are other things we pay for monthly without minding, like £5 a month to use a mobile phone, £5 a month for Windows wouldn't annoy me. But while it's free I'll use it, or even if I have to pay a one off fe to buy it like we used to.

Everyone points to Office 365 but it's inconsequential as that suite is
not monitored (anonymously) in the same manner that Windows is.

What's this about Office?

--
To err is human. To really **** things up requires a computer.

On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 00:41:43 -0000, Caver1 wrote:

On 01/16/2016 06:27 PM, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jan 2016 23:13:10 -0000, Caver1 wrote:

On 01/16/2016 02:38 PM, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jan 2016 19:23:03 -0000, Thip wrote:

"Mr Macaw" wrote in message news On Sat, 16 Jan 2016 17:38:35 -0000, Paul wrote:

Mr Macaw wrote:


Yawn..... it works for me, it's the nicest OS I've ever used. And it's
not gone wrong once.

Yes, I can see your carefully reasoned argument.

It's my experience. Windows doesn't annoy me at all. The only thing M$
ever did that irritated me was Metro in Windows 8, which made me use
classic shell. Apart from that, M$ have done nothing but improve Windows.

What irritates me is that MS is trying to ram 10 down my throat. That's my
decision, not theirs.

You don't need to have the decision to use the second best Windows. And for ****'s sake it's FREE! It's unbelievable that Microsoft are for once GIVING STUFF AWAY then people STILL bloody complain about it. For crying out loud, get a life!

It's not that it's being given free it's because they are
trying to force everyone to upgrade when there is no reason
for this attitude.

So, you're driving a Lada about, and I give you a free Ferrari and take your Lada away. Would you complain?

And look at it from their point of view. Why should they expend more effort and expense looking after more than one OS just for the luddites?


The main reason is they said they would support 7 and 8.1 to
a particular years which are a few years out still.

So they changed their mind.

--
A young girl had not been feeling well and went to her family doctor. "Young lady," the doctor began, "you're pregnant."
"But that can't be. The only men I've been with are nudists, and in our colony we practice sex only with our eyes."
"Well my dear," said the doctor, "someone in that colony is cockeyed."

On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 00:42:52 -0000, Caver1 wrote:

On 01/16/2016 06:52 PM, Johnny wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jan 2016 18:13:10 -0500
Caver1 wrote:

On 01/16/2016 02:38 PM, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jan 2016 19:23:03 -0000, Thip wrote:

"Mr Macaw" wrote in message
news On Sat, 16 Jan 2016 17:38:35 -0000, Paul
wrote:

Mr Macaw wrote:


Yawn..... it works for me, it's the nicest OS I've ever used.
And it's not gone wrong once.

Yes, I can see your carefully reasoned argument.

It's my experience. Windows doesn't annoy me at all. The only
thing M$ ever did that irritated me was Metro in Windows 8, which
made me use classic shell. Apart from that, M$ have done nothing
but improve Windows.

What irritates me is that MS is trying to ram 10 down my throat.
That's my decision, not theirs.

You don't need to have the decision to use the second best
Windows. And for ****'s sake it's FREE! It's unbelievable that
Microsoft are for once GIVING STUFF AWAY then people STILL bloody
complain about it. For crying out loud, get a life!


It's not that it's being given free it's because they are
trying to force everyone to upgrade when there is no reason
for this attitude.


I'm sure Microsoft has a reason for that attitude.

I think Microsoft is giving it away free for two reasons, and both are
money. One is money from the users, because Windows will become a
service that you have to pay for just like your phone bill, and the
other is money from the government for the information it collects
about its customers.

Windows 10 convinced me to stop using any Microsoft products, and I
have removed Windows from all my computers.


I quit Windows years ago.

You exit windows, you quit Mac OS.

--
A young girl had not been feeling well and went to her family doctor. "Young lady," the doctor began, "you're pregnant."
"But that can't be. The only men I've been with are nudists, and in our colony we practice sex only with our eyes."
"Well my dear," said the doctor, "someone in that colony is cockeyed."

On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 00:42:31 -0000, Roger Blake wrote:

On 2016-01-16, Mr Macaw wrote:
So, you're driving a Lada about, and I give you a free Ferrari and
take your Lada away. Would you complain?

You can't necessarily get much work done with a Ferrari. They are
finicky, fragile machines requiring expensive and frequent servicing
by specialists. Frankly, if you gave me a free Ferrari I would give
it back. (We don't have Ladas in the U.S. Closest equivalent might be
a Rambler. I would rather have a practical, utilitarian Rambler than a
high-strung toy like a Ferrari any day.)

Ok, that was a bad example, pick a better car. Windows 10 is not less reliable than earlier ones.

Hang on, you're saying a Lada is reliable? My friend had one once, it never bloody worked!

And look at it from their point of view. Why should they expend more effort and expense looking after more than one OS just for the luddites?

I really don't care about their point of view. Mine is that I maintain
business systems which you don't just cavalierly toss operating system
upgrades at. I am dealing with cases in which business owners have
specifically been told that specialized software they depend on will
not work properly on Windows 10

That's the fault of the authors of the software. Everyone else releases patches if they programmed it badly the first time.

- and now we have to deal with Microsoft
spamming domain-connected PCs with upgrade offers.

The upgrade being offered is not a problem. What I and others do mind is
Microsoft repeatedly and forcibly shoving it down peoples' throats who don't
want it and continually escalating the process. Once it is refused on
a PC Microsoft should just shut the hell up and stop pushing it.

Agreed.

--
What is the difference between a battery and a woman?
A battery has a positive side.

On 01/17/2016 12:54 PM, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 00:41:43 -0000, Caver1 wrote:

On 01/16/2016 06:27 PM, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jan 2016 23:13:10 -0000, Caver1 wrote:

On 01/16/2016 02:38 PM, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jan 2016 19:23:03 -0000, Thip wrote:

"Mr Macaw" wrote in message news On Sat, 16 Jan 2016 17:38:35 -0000, Paul wrote:

Mr Macaw wrote:


Yawn..... it works for me, it's the nicest OS I've ever used. And it's
not gone wrong once.

Yes, I can see your carefully reasoned argument.

It's my experience. Windows doesn't annoy me at all. The only thing M$
ever did that irritated me was Metro in Windows 8, which made me use
classic shell. Apart from that, M$ have done nothing but improve Windows.

What irritates me is that MS is trying to ram 10 down my throat. That's my
decision, not theirs.

You don't need to have the decision to use the second best Windows. And for ****'s sake it's FREE! It's unbelievable that Microsoft are for once GIVING STUFF AWAY then people STILL bloody complain about it. For crying out loud, get a life!

It's not that it's being given free it's because they are
trying to force everyone to upgrade when there is no reason
for this attitude.

So, you're driving a Lada about, and I give you a free Ferrari and take your Lada away. Would you complain?

And look at it from their point of view. Why should they expend more effort and expense looking after more than one OS just for the luddites?


The main reason is they said they would support 7 and 8.1 to
a particular years which are a few years out still.

So they changed their mind.


Real reputable company right?

--
Caver1

On 01/17/2016 12:54 PM, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 00:42:52 -0000, Caver1 wrote:

On 01/16/2016 06:52 PM, Johnny wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jan 2016 18:13:10 -0500
Caver1 wrote:

On 01/16/2016 02:38 PM, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jan 2016 19:23:03 -0000, Thip wrote:

"Mr Macaw" wrote in message
news On Sat, 16 Jan 2016 17:38:35 -0000, Paul
wrote:

Mr Macaw wrote:


Yawn..... it works for me, it's the nicest OS I've ever used.
And it's not gone wrong once.

Yes, I can see your carefully reasoned argument.

It's my experience. Windows doesn't annoy me at all. The only
thing M$ ever did that irritated me was Metro in Windows 8, which
made me use classic shell. Apart from that, M$ have done nothing
but improve Windows.

What irritates me is that MS is trying to ram 10 down my throat.
That's my decision, not theirs.

You don't need to have the decision to use the second best
Windows. And for ****'s sake it's FREE! It's unbelievable that
Microsoft are for once GIVING STUFF AWAY then people STILL bloody
complain about it. For crying out loud, get a life!


It's not that it's being given free it's because they are
trying to force everyone to upgrade when there is no reason
for this attitude.


I'm sure Microsoft has a reason for that attitude.

I think Microsoft is giving it away free for two reasons, and both are
money. One is money from the users, because Windows will become a
service that you have to pay for just like your phone bill, and the
other is money from the government for the information it collects
about its customers.

Windows 10 convinced me to stop using any Microsoft products, and I
have removed Windows from all my computers.


I quit Windows years ago.

You exit windows, you quit Mac OS.


Never had a Mac.

--
Caver1

On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 18:27:45 -0000, Caver1 wrote:

On 01/17/2016 12:54 PM, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 00:41:43 -0000, Caver1 wrote:

On 01/16/2016 06:27 PM, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jan 2016 23:13:10 -0000, Caver1 wrote:

On 01/16/2016 02:38 PM, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jan 2016 19:23:03 -0000, Thip wrote:

"Mr Macaw" wrote in message news On Sat, 16 Jan 2016 17:38:35 -0000, Paul wrote:

Mr Macaw wrote:


Yawn..... it works for me, it's the nicest OS I've ever used. And it's
not gone wrong once.

Yes, I can see your carefully reasoned argument.

It's my experience. Windows doesn't annoy me at all. The only thing M$
ever did that irritated me was Metro in Windows 8, which made me use
classic shell. Apart from that, M$ have done nothing but improve Windows.

What irritates me is that MS is trying to ram 10 down my throat. That's my
decision, not theirs.

You don't need to have the decision to use the second best Windows. And for ****'s sake it's FREE! It's unbelievable that Microsoft are for once GIVING STUFF AWAY then people STILL bloody complain about it. For crying out loud, get a life!

It's not that it's being given free it's because they are
trying to force everyone to upgrade when there is no reason
for this attitude.

So, you're driving a Lada about, and I give you a free Ferrari and take your Lada away. Would you complain?

And look at it from their point of view. Why should they expend more effort and expense looking after more than one OS just for the luddites?


The main reason is they said they would support 7 and 8.1 to
a particular years which are a few years out still.

So they changed their mind.


Real reputable company right?

I meant "So what, they changed their mind."

--
Seven wheelchair athletes have been banned from the Paralympics after they tested positive for WD40.

On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 18:28:20 -0000, Caver1 wrote:

On 01/17/2016 12:54 PM, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 00:42:52 -0000, Caver1 wrote:

On 01/16/2016 06:52 PM, Johnny wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jan 2016 18:13:10 -0500
Caver1 wrote:

On 01/16/2016 02:38 PM, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jan 2016 19:23:03 -0000, Thip wrote:

"Mr Macaw" wrote in message
news On Sat, 16 Jan 2016 17:38:35 -0000, Paul
wrote:

Mr Macaw wrote:


Yawn..... it works for me, it's the nicest OS I've ever used.
And it's not gone wrong once.

Yes, I can see your carefully reasoned argument.

It's my experience. Windows doesn't annoy me at all. The only
thing M$ ever did that irritated me was Metro in Windows 8, which
made me use classic shell. Apart from that, M$ have done nothing
but improve Windows.

What irritates me is that MS is trying to ram 10 down my throat.
That's my decision, not theirs.

You don't need to have the decision to use the second best
Windows. And for ****'s sake it's FREE! It's unbelievable that
Microsoft are for once GIVING STUFF AWAY then people STILL bloody
complain about it. For crying out loud, get a life!


It's not that it's being given free it's because they are
trying to force everyone to upgrade when there is no reason
for this attitude.


I'm sure Microsoft has a reason for that attitude.

I think Microsoft is giving it away free for two reasons, and both are
money. One is money from the users, because Windows will become a
service that you have to pay for just like your phone bill, and the
other is money from the government for the information it collects
about its customers.

Windows 10 convinced me to stop using any Microsoft products, and I
have removed Windows from all my computers.


I quit Windows years ago.

You exit windows, you quit Mac OS.

Never had a Mac.

Lucky you, I used to support them at two places of work. Neither place of work had many when I left :-)

--
Seven wheelchair athletes have been banned from the Paralympics after they tested positive for WD40.

On 01/16/16 11:38, Mr Macaw so wittily quipped:
On Sat, 16 Jan 2016 19:23:03 -0000, Thip wrote:

"Mr Macaw" wrote in message
news
On Sat, 16 Jan 2016 17:38:35 -0000, Paul wrote:

Mr Macaw wrote:


Yawn..... it works for me, it's the nicest OS I've ever used. And
it's
not gone wrong once.

Yes, I can see your carefully reasoned argument.

It's my experience. Windows doesn't annoy me at all. The only thing M$
ever did that irritated me was Metro in Windows 8, which made me use
classic shell. Apart from that, M$ have done nothing but improve
Windows.

What irritates me is that MS is trying to ram 10 down my throat.
That's my
decision, not theirs.

You don't need to have the decision to use the second best Windows. And
for ****'s sake it's FREE! It's unbelievable that Microsoft are for
once GIVING STUFF AWAY then people STILL bloody complain about it. For
crying out loud, get a life!


the COMPLAINT is that MICROSOFT uses GWX to SHOVE IT UP OUR ASSES
whether we WANT IT or NOT. Of course, the W10 OS *SUCKS* and *STINKS*
*ON* *ICE*, but that's another topic.

I'd rather have *SOMETHING* *WORTH* *PAYING* *FOR* (like Windows 7) than
*FREE* ****** *ON* *A* *STICK*.