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Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) losespatent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX.
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GreyCloud wrote: On 10/03/2016 04:55 PM, Jim Polaski wrote: On 2016-10-03, GreyCloud wrote: On 10/03/2016 02:54 PM, Jim Polaski wrote: On 2016-10-03, Silver Slimer wrote: On 2016-10-03 1:26 PM, Alan Baker wrote: On 2016-10-03 9:26 AM, Mongoose wrote: "Jolly Roger" wrote in message ... Fritz Wuehler wrote: Apple has been ordered to pay $302.4 million to the patent holding and security software company VirnetX Oh no, the sky is falling! : D Corrupt court known for siding with patent trolls gives Apple a slap on the wrist for doing nothing wrong. You fangurls are really stupid. Apple screws you without vaseline, and you bend over for more. How do they do that: by making products that people want and selling them at prices those people are willing to pay? Except they don't do that. They make LIMITED hardware at exorbitant prices knowing that there are enough dumb people out there willing to buy it as a fashion statement. I wouldn't go so far as to call them dumb people but they are people who like the Apple culture, prefer the ease of use right from the moment they take the system out of the box and so forth. And Apple support is number one by far. People are willing to pay extra for that. That being said, there is nothing magical about Apple hardware or software for that matter with one exception and that is it is all controlled tightly (although that seems to be fading a bit with the last updates) so it tends to work well together. $300 million is a drop in the bucket for a company that takes in over $18 billion a quarter. Apple makes enough money in profit to pay this fine in a couple days. Big deal. Especially in the light of they don't pay any taxes. Bull****. It's accurate. Apple's taxes are mostly paid elsewhere and they've been avoiding giving the United States even a dime. They went to court over it near and after Jobs' death and Tim Cook was asked point-blank why Apple avoids paying taxes in the United States. Try to pause your fanboyism for a day to look it up. As long as Apple isn't doing anything illegal, they would be doing their shareholders a disservice if they were paying more taxes than legally required. The same goes for Trump BTW. What kind of an idiot doesn't try to reduce his taxes LEGALLY by using every line in the tax code to his advantage? Every single one of us in USA does it every year. Key word LEGALLY. Hehehe... even Hillary uses the tax code to her advantage. She wrote off 'Used old underwear' on her return. I got this info from Hannity off of his radio network. Probably because the local landfill refused to take it. LOL!!! To close to the city too! :-)) |
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Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) losespatent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX.
On 2016-10-03 7:20 PM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2016-10-03 18:22, Alan Baker wrote: On 2016-10-03 2:30 PM, Anonymous wrote: In article nospam wrote: now look up that it's not a sweetheart deal nor is it specific to apple, but rather it's part of the tax code itself and completely legal. also look up that apple isn't the only company to legally use the tax code in that manner. google, microsoft, facebook, intel and others do the same thing. after that, look up that ireland is siding with apple, *not* the eu. in other words, ireland doesn't want apple to pay and it's questionable whether the eu has any say in the matter in the first place. http://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu...reland-idUSKCN 1180WR The bad guys are sitting in the Irish parliament. For centuries Ireland tried to convert from an agricultural country to a worthless nonproductive banking nation at the EU's expense. And that plan was paid by the EU twice, by direct funding and by a big loss of taxes due to Ireland's irresponsibe tax dumping strategy, which allowed companies to avoid payments on a large scale. On top of that, when in 2008 the economic bubble burst, they once again held out their hands to be bailed out by the EU and the IMF with additional multi-billion Euro benefits. When will EU representatives recognize that it's time to end that farce, time to make the spalpeens understand that solidarity has to be mutual. http://www.cnbc.com/2016/08/30/how-a...e-in-2014.html Again: how is Apple doing anything different than what anyone else does: i.e. organizing its affairs to take advantage of the tax laws? Again: The Apple deal (and some others too) violated Ireland's own tax laws. These deals were kept secret until some furshlugginer so'n'so went whinging to the EU Commission about it. That's when the **** hit the fan. The Irish Parliamentarians are covered in it. Have a good day, Ireland disagrees with you. |
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Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) losespatent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX.
On 2016-10-03 7:29 PM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2016-10-03 19:06, Alan Baker wrote: [...] What harm does it do Ireland to accept businesses that would not otherwise have a presence there, and get taxes from them? [...] A whore solicits customers. And? Failure answer the question. |
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Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX.
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wrote: Especially in the light of they don't pay any taxes. apple pays a ****load of taxes. But not their fair share. wrong. they pay every penny they're required to pay. [...] True, but that's not the issue. yes it is the issue. the claim is that apple has avoided or evaded paying taxes that they owe. they have not avoided nor evaded anything. they paid what they owe. The issue is whether they paid their fair share, not whether they paid what they owe. they did pay their fair share. "Fair" and "legal" aren't the same thing. "Acquitted" and "innocent" aren't the same thing. "Justice" and "law" aren't the same thing. irrelevant On the contrary, that's the nub of the issue. The fact that you don't get that indicates a gap in your education. BTW, I left out "convicted" and "guilty" aren't the same thing. nope. it's irrelevant. and you don't get to decide what's fair anyway. Now that's an irrelevant remark. Unless you're willing to accept that you don't get to decide, either. i'm not deciding anything. ireland decided what's fair when they came up with their tax code. apple is in full compliance with irish tax law, as are plenty of other companies. the fact that you only criticize apple when everyone else does the same thing tells all. |
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Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) losespatent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX.
On 2016-10-03 7:25 PM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2016-10-03 18:38, nospam wrote: In article , Mongoose wrote: "nospam" wrote in message ... Especially in the light of they don't pay any taxes. apple pays a ****load of taxes. But not their fair share. wrong. they pay every penny they're required to pay. At the expense of US taxpayers. nope. [etc] Those who arrange for loopholes to be opened up for them by "the best legislature that money can buy" increase the tax burden on the rest of us. Public goods cost money. Of course everyone pays sales taxes, excise taxes, etc, but income tax is still the fairest way to tax people. If you get a lot from the community, you owe a lot to that community. Why? Because without them you'd get nothing at all. Have a good day, The fact that Apple is extremely successful DECREASES the tax burden on everyone else in the country. But just like everyone else, they are free to organize their affairs to minimize the taxes they have to pay. |
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Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) losespatent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX.
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Alan Baker wrote: On 2016-10-03 7:29 PM, Wolf K wrote: On 2016-10-03 19:06, Alan Baker wrote: [...] What harm does it do Ireland to accept businesses that would not otherwise have a presence there, and get taxes from them? [...] A whore solicits customers. And? Failure answer the question. |
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Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) losespatent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX.
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nospam wrote: In article , Wolf K wrote: Especially in the light of they don't pay any taxes. apple pays a ****load of taxes. But not their fair share. wrong. they pay every penny they're required to pay. [...] True, but that's not the issue. yes it is the issue. the claim is that apple has avoided or evaded paying taxes that they owe. they have not avoided nor evaded anything. they paid what they owe. "Fair" and "legal" aren't the same thing. "Acquitted" and "innocent" aren't the same thing. "Justice" and "law" aren't the same thing. irrelevant and you don't get to decide what's fair anyway. |
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Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) losespatent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX.
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Alan Baker wrote: On 2016-10-03 7:20 PM, Wolf K wrote: On 2016-10-03 18:22, Alan Baker wrote: On 2016-10-03 2:30 PM, Anonymous wrote: In article nospam wrote: now look up that it's not a sweetheart deal nor is it specific to apple, but rather it's part of the tax code itself and completely legal. also look up that apple isn't the only company to legally use the tax code in that manner. google, microsoft, facebook, intel and others do the same thing. after that, look up that ireland is siding with apple, *not* the eu. in other words, ireland doesn't want apple to pay and it's questionable whether the eu has any say in the matter in the first place. http://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu...reland-idUSKCN 1180WR The bad guys are sitting in the Irish parliament. For centuries Ireland tried to convert from an agricultural country to a worthless nonproductive banking nation at the EU's expense. And that plan was paid by the EU twice, by direct funding and by a big loss of taxes due to Ireland's irresponsibe tax dumping strategy, which allowed companies to avoid payments on a large scale. On top of that, when in 2008 the economic bubble burst, they once again held out their hands to be bailed out by the EU and the IMF with additional multi-billion Euro benefits. When will EU representatives recognize that it's time to end that farce, time to make the spalpeens understand that solidarity has to be mutual. http://www.cnbc.com/2016/08/30/how-a...e-in-2014.html Again: how is Apple doing anything different than what anyone else does: i.e. organizing its affairs to take advantage of the tax laws? Again: The Apple deal (and some others too) violated Ireland's own tax laws. These deals were kept secret until some furshlugginer so'n'so went whinging to the EU Commission about it. That's when the **** hit the fan. The Irish Parliamentarians are covered in it. Have a good day, Ireland disagrees with you. |
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Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) losespatent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX.
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Alan Baker wrote: On 2016-10-03 7:20 PM, Wolf K wrote: On 2016-10-03 18:22, Alan Baker wrote: On 2016-10-03 2:30 PM, Anonymous wrote: In article nospam wrote: now look up that it's not a sweetheart deal nor is it specific to apple, but rather it's part of the tax code itself and completely legal. also look up that apple isn't the only company to legally use the tax code in that manner. google, microsoft, facebook, intel and others do the same thing. after that, look up that ireland is siding with apple, *not* the eu. in other words, ireland doesn't want apple to pay and it's questionable whether the eu has any say in the matter in the first place. http://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu...reland-idUSKCN 1180WR The bad guys are sitting in the Irish parliament. For centuries Ireland tried to convert from an agricultural country to a worthless nonproductive banking nation at the EU's expense. And that plan was paid by the EU twice, by direct funding and by a big loss of taxes due to Ireland's irresponsibe tax dumping strategy, which allowed companies to avoid payments on a large scale. On top of that, when in 2008 the economic bubble burst, they once again held out their hands to be bailed out by the EU and the IMF with additional multi-billion Euro benefits. When will EU representatives recognize that it's time to end that farce, time to make the spalpeens understand that solidarity has to be mutual. http://www.cnbc.com/2016/08/30/how-a...e-in-2014.html Again: how is Apple doing anything different than what anyone else does: i.e. organizing its affairs to take advantage of the tax laws? Again: The Apple deal (and some others too) violated Ireland's own tax laws. These deals were kept secret until some furshlugginer so'n'so went whinging to the EU Commission about it. That's when the **** hit the fan. The Irish Parliamentarians are covered in it. Have a good day, Ireland disagrees with you. |
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Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX.
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wrote: If you get a lot from the community, you owe a lot to that community. Why? Because without them you'd get nothing at all. If one's effort creates jobs for a community that generates taxes for a community and one pays the taxes the community thinks it is owed, how is one a bad guy? A person that makes a lot of money while playing within the community rules is simply smarter and better than "you" are. Dealing with one's own intellectual shortcomings is hard to accept. Few do. I know. I know! I came to terms with my own intellectual shortcomings by the time I was thirty five. Deal with it. Envy is unhealthy, and envy is the root of the insidious, rotten weed of progressivism. Progressivism will evaporate instantly with the first nuke wherever you may live. Enjoy your tomfoolery. I'm hoping to check out before the obdurate stupidity you are buying into turns into world war. I might even make it. I hope you do. Have a good day, leo |
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Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) losespatent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX.
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nospam wrote: In article , Wolf K wrote: Again: how is Apple doing anything different than what anyone else does: i.e. organizing its affairs to take advantage of the tax laws? Again: The Apple deal (and some others too) violated Ireland's own tax laws. These deals were kept secret until some furshlugginer so'n'so went whinging to the EU Commission about it. That's when the **** hit the fan. The Irish Parliamentarians are covered in it. apple didn't violate ireland's tax laws or any other laws. it's also not an 'apple deal', it's the existing tax code that applies to all companies. google and other companies do the same thing. http://www.taxjusticeblog.org/archiv...tax_avoidance_ from.php ...As of the end of 2015, Google had $58.3 billion in offshore ³permanently reinvested² profits on which it pays no U.S. taxes, up from $47.4 billion in 2014. |
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Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) losespatent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX.
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nospam wrote: In article , Wolf K wrote: Especially in the light of they don't pay any taxes. apple pays a ****load of taxes. But not their fair share. wrong. they pay every penny they're required to pay. [...] True, but that's not the issue. yes it is the issue. the claim is that apple has avoided or evaded paying taxes that they owe. they have not avoided nor evaded anything. they paid what they owe. The issue is whether they paid their fair share, not whether they paid what they owe. they did pay their fair share. "Fair" and "legal" aren't the same thing. "Acquitted" and "innocent" aren't the same thing. "Justice" and "law" aren't the same thing. irrelevant On the contrary, that's the nub of the issue. The fact that you don't get that indicates a gap in your education. BTW, I left out "convicted" and "guilty" aren't the same thing. nope. it's irrelevant. and you don't get to decide what's fair anyway. Now that's an irrelevant remark. Unless you're willing to accept that you don't get to decide, either. i'm not deciding anything. ireland decided what's fair when they came up with their tax code. apple is in full compliance with irish tax law, as are plenty of other companies. the fact that you only criticize apple when everyone else does the same thing tells all. |
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Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) losespatent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX.
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Alan Baker wrote: On 2016-10-03 7:25 PM, Wolf K wrote: On 2016-10-03 18:38, nospam wrote: In article , Mongoose wrote: "nospam" wrote in message ... Especially in the light of they don't pay any taxes. apple pays a ****load of taxes. But not their fair share. wrong. they pay every penny they're required to pay. At the expense of US taxpayers. nope. [etc] Those who arrange for loopholes to be opened up for them by "the best legislature that money can buy" increase the tax burden on the rest of us. Public goods cost money. Of course everyone pays sales taxes, excise taxes, etc, but income tax is still the fairest way to tax people. If you get a lot from the community, you owe a lot to that community. Why? Because without them you'd get nothing at all. Have a good day, The fact that Apple is extremely successful DECREASES the tax burden on everyone else in the country. But just like everyone else, they are free to organize their affairs to minimize the taxes they have to pay. |
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Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) losespatent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX.
On 10/3/2016 10:29 PM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2016-10-03 19:06, Alan Baker wrote: [...] What harm does it do Ireland to accept businesses that would not otherwise have a presence there, and get taxes from them? [...] A whore solicits customers. Are you equating the government to whores? That's an insult to whores. |
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Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) loses patent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX.
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wrote: Read the Washington Post articles on the issue. On August 30, 2016, WP reported: "Apple paid a tax rate of 1 percent or even less ‹ 0.0005 percent, in some years ‹..." so did google, facebook, intel and others. your issue is with *ireland*, not apple. WP also reports (repeatedly) that Ireland made a special deal with Apple. don't believe everything you read. google, facebook, intel and others are benefiting from this supposed apple deal. the reality is that it's the tax code and it would be foolish to *not* take advantage of it. |
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