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With DaaS Windows Coming, Say Goodbye To Your PC As You Know It
On 01/08/18 16:16, Anonymous wrote:
The Natural Philosopher explained : On 01/08/18 14:56, Mayayana wrote: "The Natural Philosopher" wrote | Â*Â*Â* Just as well. Your Surface as a Service probably | isn't water-resistant. | | | Seriously though, isn't notebook as a service what a chromebook is? Or | smartphone as a service, android? | | Indeed Liux itself is desktop as a service, except its free...It's all | about where the line is drawn between stuff that is upgraded centrally | and installed on your computer or upgraded cenrally and NOT permanently | stored on your computer, and if you actually care. | ... Â*Â*Â* Linux? That's not really a desktop or a service. And as you say, it's free. I don't know how you define a service if it doesn't involve paying. Do you think of it as a service because it updates itself without asking? A service is something that does something useful. So a maid who makes the bed is a service. Linuxs does something useful. It is a service as much as it is software. It is perhaps a service enabled by software much as the bedmaking is a service enabled by a maid. Â*My lawn mower would be a service with this explanation. Â*Linux is NOT a service.Â* It is an OS that runs on my personally owned machine.Â* Linux on my machine is my property.Â* A service is something that is external. Linix exists beyond my computers A service is provided by someone or something that is not owned by me. Linux is provided by someone or somethimng that is not owned by me A service does something for me and then leaves until I call for it to serve me again. Linux does someth9ing for nme and then leaves until I call for it to serve me again. Â* When I buy a computer, I buy the hardware and software. I dont. I buy the hardware. I don't have to upate it, I can block MS altogether, I don't have to connect it to the internet (except to initially initialize the windows system), I don't have to do anything per MS snoopy demands to make updates or otherwise connect my computer to the web. Â*Only when MS starts selling their OS as a service do I have to connect to the internet so that MS can determine if I have forked over mega dollars to continue to use their service (OS). Well thats MS for you. Legalised ransomware. More fool you for buying it. -- There is nothing a fleet of dispatchable nuclear power plants cannot do that cannot be done worse and more expensively and with higher carbon emissions and more adverse environmental impact by adding intermittent renewable energy. |
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With DaaS Windows Coming, Say Goodbye To Your PC As You Know It
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yet another thing you don't understand. Dang! And he had me convinced that he knew it all! PCs vs computer phones or tablets are two very different things. They share having a CPU and connecting to the Internet. that part is true. But the former is a tool while the latter are mainly commercial kiosk devices. that part is not true. But even those are not actually services. You have a right to control the software on your phone, if only you could get to it. nothing prevents anyone from 'controlling' the software on a phone or tablet. the methods may be a little different, that's all. |
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With DaaS Windows Coming, Say Goodbye To Your PC As You Know It
On 08/01/2018 09:29 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Thats very rude to Trump. We all know he's an Android.. What we dont know is who programmed him, and why... A recent post to rec.motorcycles may provide a clue. http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi...40dizum.com%3E Past the cats, and mice, are words about Toxoplasma gondii's effects in humans. It fits. The Trump family is heavily infested with parasites. |
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With DaaS Windows Coming, Say Goodbye To Your PC As You Know It
The Natural Philosopher formulated the question :
On 01/08/18 16:43, Nomen Nescio wrote: The Natural Philosopher wrote on 8/1/2018 : On 01/08/18 15:31, Anonymous wrote: After serious thinking The Natural Philosopher wrote : On 01/08/18 12:51, Mayayana wrote: "Rene Lamontagne" wrote Nevertheless, Computerworld, twisted the story and made up a dramatic crisis out of thin air. The author says straight out that MS are replacing Win10 with a rental you'll have no control over. There's no basis at all for that statement that I can find. I'm not likely to jump off a bridge over that overblown article. Just as well. Your Surface as a Service probably isn't water-resistant. Seriously though, isn't notebook as a service what a chromebook is Or smartphone as a service, android Indeed Liux itself is desktop as a service, except its free...It's all about where the line is drawn between stuff that is upgraded centrally and installed on your computer or upgraded cenrally and NOT permanently stored on your computer, and if you actually care. Not sure how an OS installed on my computer can be considered a service. Easily if it was downloaded and is maintained by someone else. Voluntarism and/or hobby pursuits does not equal a service. A service always has dollar marks assigned to it. Yes. The creators of Linux OS's are not doing their work with a mind to produce a service for others, but they are doing it out of their technical interest in producing and programming software. It may also include that ego thing, with those that identify themselves, although that is not necessarily a bad thing. I have extreme trouble understanding what on earth you are talking about. Well, try another news group with people much less intelligent. Questioning my intelligence is not going to convince me or anyone else that you are smarter. |
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With DaaS Windows Coming, Say Goodbye To Your PC As You Know It
On 2018-08-01, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
There is nothing a fleet of dispatchable nuclear power plants cannot do that cannot be done worse and more expensively and with higher carbon emissions and more adverse environmental impact by adding intermittent renewable energy. The problem is that the manufacturers/operators of nuclear power plants have proven themselves incompetent at safety. Fukushima (lets put the emergency power for water pumps in the basement). Chernobile (lets run tests and override the emergeny failsafes). And the consequences of unsafe operation are pretty devestating. So yes, your statement is OK, but it is a bit likethe anti-greenouse crowd. There is nothing that a bunch of coal fired plants cannot do more cheaply than any other source, until the consequences destroy civilisation. Unfortunately consequences, including those of incompetence, because incompetence is a fixed feature of the physica world, are things that need to be taken into account in making decisions. |
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mechanic wrote:
On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 07:04:51 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote: Schools and universities are wall to wall MS. Which is particularly depressing given the lack of money in schools. But a look round many student groups shows a preponderance of apple laptops/tablets. Maybe it's the student discount that helps. (strange cross posting groupmix adjusted) True. Apple laptops are popular amongst the students - if they can afford them. My University supplies and supports Macs to some staff, but they are a second class citizen in terms of support. Suits me |
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Mayayana wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote | Just as well. Your Surface as a Service probably | isn't water-resistant. | | | Seriously though, isn't notebook as a service what a chromebook is? Or | smartphone as a service, android? | | Indeed Liux itself is desktop as a service, except its free...It's all | about where the line is drawn between stuff that is upgraded centrally | and installed on your computer or upgraded cenrally and NOT permanently | stored on your computer, and if you actually care. | These days I don't think that aspect is very relevant. Office 365 is installed locally. There's an online-only version which requires no local installing. Works in your browser just Google docs. |
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In article , Chris
wrote: But a look round many student groups shows a preponderance of apple laptops/tablets. Maybe it's the student discount that helps. (strange cross posting groupmix adjusted) True. Apple laptops are popular amongst the students - if they can afford them. they're similar prices to comparable windows laptops. unless the school requires chromebooks (which are cheap), students will need something more than a budget laptop. |
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On 2018-08-01 12:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 01/08/18 11:02, Carlos E.R. wrote: On 2018-08-01 09:04, Chris wrote: nospam wrote: In article , Anssi Saari wrote: MS underestimated Android in the phone market. They might fail again with the desktop. Here's hoping (for Microsoft's demise). But I think it's more like a paradigm shift happened. Absolutely nothing threatens Microsoft on the PC desktop, quite a bit does. chromebooks are very strong in education and web apps (mainly google) are winning out over ms office. Not in the UK. Schools and universities are wall to wall MS. Which is particularly depressing given the lack of money in schools. I was in a classroom a few years back here (Spain), and the funny thing was that the school officially embraced free software; yet the teachers wrote their pieces on Word instead of LibreOffice, so the students did the same (without licenses). Someone really using LO had a bit of a problem because the formatting often is not accurately converted. I have found thats generally NOT an issue if the same fonts are installed That's one of the issues. Others are complicated pages with tables and figures. Pages in which just one tiny change would produce one more page. Differences in margin interpretation. Even different versions of M. Office produce different results. What's more, different computers with the same Office software produce different results; in many cases I found out it was differences in the default printer. Most of the people I saw used Windows and Office without licenses, so MS was getting nothing - except that the people got familiar with MS and demand MS products later. Mmm. But companies are just rubbish really. I mean would you believe a company that prints from WORD onto letterhead PAPER, scans the result and emails it as a PDF? LOL. I have not seen that lately, except for one reason: the letter had to carry the handwritten signature of somebody. The alternative I have seen was to have the signature scanned and saved as a picture, then inserted on the document. -- Cheers, Carlos. |
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The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Indeed Liux itself is desktop as a service, except its free...It's all about where the line is drawn between stuff that is upgraded centrally and installed on your computer or upgraded cenrally and NOT permanently stored on your computer, and if you actually care. No it is not. Yes there is a central repository for programs and update, but: You are not forced to upgrade if you wish It does not stop working if you don't Your credentials, applications, and OS are all locally installed on your system It does not stop working if your disconnect from the network. I have an old server retired with Ubuntu 10.04, well out of support. Boots and works just fine. -- Take care, Jonathan ------------------- LITTLE WORKS STUDIO http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com |
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With DaaS Windows Coming, Say Goodbye To Your PC As You Know It
On 2018-08-01 15:10, Ivan Shmakov wrote:
Carlos E R writes: On 2018-08-01 09:04, Chris wrote: nospam wrote: [No idea what news:alt.privacy.anon-server has to do with the topic; dropped.] Fine with me :-) [...] quite a bit does. chromebooks are very strong in education and web apps (mainly google) are winning out over ms office. Not in the UK. Schools and universities are wall to wall MS. Which is particularly depressing given the lack of money in schools. I was in a classroom a few years back here (Spain), and the funny thing was that the school officially embraced free software; yet the teachers wrote their pieces on Word instead of LibreOffice, so the students did the same (without licenses). Someone really using LO had a bit of a problem because the formatting often is not accurately converted. Most of the people I saw used Windows and Office without licenses, so MS was getting nothing - except that the people got familiar with MS and demand MS products later. I don't know how [1] is reliable as a source, but I'm going to quote it anyway. "Although about 3 million computers get sold every year in China, people don't pay for the software. Someday they will, though," Gates told an audience at the University of Washington. "And as long as they're going to steal it, we want them to steal ours. They'll get sort of addicted, and then we'll somehow figure out how to collect sometime in the next decade." [1] How Piracy Opens Doors for Windows // Los Angeles Times. URI: http://articles.latimes.com/2006/apr...i-micropiracy9 I don't know if the quote is reliable, but I have heard that idea often, yes. Not about China in particular, but the same thing. I think the idea is true. -- Cheers, Carlos. |
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With DaaS Windows Coming, Say Goodbye To Your PC As You Know It
On 01/08/18 19:01, William Unruh wrote:
On 2018-08-01, The Natural Philosopher wrote: There is nothing a fleet of dispatchable nuclear power plants cannot do that cannot be done worse and more expensively and with higher carbon emissions and more adverse environmental impact by adding intermittent renewable energy. The problem is that the manufacturers/operators of nuclear power plants have proven themselves incompetent at safety. Fukushima (lets put the emergency power for water pumps in the basement). Chernobile (lets run tests and override the emergeny failsafes). And the consequences of unsafe operation are pretty devestating. So yes, your statement is OK, but it is a bit likethe anti-greenouse crowd. There is nothing that a bunch of coal fired plants cannot do more cheaply than any other source, until the consequences destroy civilisation. Unfortunately consequences, including those of incompetence, because incompetence is a fixed feature of the physica world, are things that need to be taken into account in making decisions. Oh dear. Deaths at Chernobyl 50-70 Deaths at Three mile Island 0 Leaving aside chernobyl the other two incidents are a tribute to their safety systems. Despite complete core meltdown the secondary containment safety kept emissions so low that there was no public risk at all. Danger from CO2 emissions 0 .. No reactor of the chernobyl design is running today outside Russia You have drunk the Left Koolaid, haven't you? More deaths resulted for inappropriate response to Fukushima than from the incident itself. 20,000 people died on account of the tsunami. Half a dozen died when they were evacuated inappropriately. None died or will die from the radiation release. -- The lifetime of any political organisation is about three years before its been subverted by the people it tried to warn you about. Anon. |
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William Unruh wrote:
On 2018-08-01, The Natural Philosopher wrote: There is nothing a fleet of dispatchable nuclear power plants cannot do that cannot be done worse and more expensively and with higher carbon emissions and more adverse environmental impact by adding intermittent renewable energy. The problem is that the manufacturers/operators of nuclear power plants have proven themselves incompetent at safety. Fukushima (lets put the emergency power for water pumps in the basement). Chernobile (lets run tests and override the emergeny failsafes). And the consequences of unsafe operation are pretty devestating. No one's going argue that Chernobyl wasn't a disaster. Fukushima was hit by series of catastrophic events, one after the other, affecting multiple backup systems and yet the reactor still didn't breach. The plant failed as designed for the worst case scenario. I can't imagine anything surviving a huge earthquake, subsequent tsunami and failure of the cooling systems unscathed. Let's not forget the tsunami killed 15,000 people. No-one has died as result of the radiation leak from the fukushima accident. https://www.popularmechanics.com/sci...e-years-later/ https://xkcd.com/radiation/ So yes, your statement is OK, but it is a bit likethe anti-greenouse crowd. It's the opposite as it's based on fact . There is nothing that a bunch of coal fired plants cannot do more cheaply than any other source, until the consequences destroy civilisation. Unfortunately consequences, including those of incompetence, because incompetence is a fixed feature of the physica world, are things that need to be taken into account in making decisions. And yet despite even the Chernobyl disaster, nuclear has been shown to be safer, cleaner and better overall than fossil fuel based power plants. Fossil fuel is unsustainable, destroying the planet and killing people at an ever increasing pace. https://www.newscientist.com/article...nuclear-power/ |
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nospam wrote:
In article , Chris wrote: But a look round many student groups shows a preponderance of apple laptops/tablets. Maybe it's the student discount that helps. (strange cross posting groupmix adjusted) True. Apple laptops are popular amongst the students - if they can afford them. they're similar prices to comparable windows laptops. I didn't say otherwise. |
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