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Old August 1st 18, 05:05 PM posted to alt.privacy.anon-server,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 01/08/18 16:16, Anonymous wrote:
The Natural Philosopher explained :
On 01/08/18 14:56, Mayayana wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote

| Â*Â*Â* Just as well. Your Surface as a Service probably
| isn't water-resistant.
|
|
| Seriously though, isn't notebook as a service what a chromebook is? Or
| smartphone as a service, android?
|
| Indeed Liux itself is desktop as a service, except its free...It's all
| about where the line is drawn between stuff that is upgraded centrally
| and installed on your computer or upgraded cenrally and NOT
permanently
| stored on your computer, and if you actually care.
|
...
Â*Â*Â* Linux? That's not really a desktop or a service. And as
you say, it's free. I don't know how you define a service
if it doesn't involve paying. Do you think of it as a service
because it updates itself without asking?


A service is something that does something useful.
So a maid who makes the bed is a service.

Linuxs does something useful. It is a service as much as it is
software. It is perhaps a service enabled by software much as the
bedmaking is a service enabled by a maid.

Â*My lawn mower would be a service with this explanation.

Â*Linux is NOT a service.Â* It is an OS that runs on my personally owned
machine.Â* Linux on my machine is my property.Â* A service is something
that is external.


Linix exists beyond my computers

A service is provided by someone or something that is
not owned by me.


Linux is provided by someone or somethimng that is not owned by me


A service does something for me and then leaves until
I call for it to serve me again.


Linux does someth9ing for nme and then leaves until I call for it to
serve me again.

Â* When I buy a computer, I buy the
hardware and software.


I dont. I buy the hardware.

I don't have to upate it, I can block MS
altogether, I don't have to connect it to the internet (except to
initially initialize the windows system), I don't have to do anything
per MS snoopy demands to make updates or otherwise connect my computer
to the web.

Â*Only when MS starts selling their OS as a service do I have to connect
to the internet so that MS can determine if I have forked over mega
dollars to continue to use their service (OS).


Well thats MS for you. Legalised ransomware. More fool you for buying it.


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emissions and more adverse environmental impact by adding intermittent
renewable energy.
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  #32  
Old August 1st 18, 06:19 PM posted to alt.privacy.anon-server,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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snip
yet another thing you don't understand.

Dang! And he had me convinced that he knew it all!

PCs vs computer phones or tablets are two
very different things. They share having a CPU and
connecting to the Internet.


that part is true.

But the former is a tool while
the latter are mainly commercial kiosk devices.


that part is not true.

But even
those are not actually services. You have a right to
control the software on your phone, if only you could
get to it.


nothing prevents anyone from 'controlling' the software on a phone or
tablet.

the methods may be a little different, that's all.

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Old August 1st 18, 06:22 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 08/01/2018 09:29 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Thats very rude to Trump.
We all know he's an Android..

What we dont know is who programmed him, and why...


A recent post to rec.motorcycles

may provide a clue.

http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi...40dizum.com%3E

Past the cats, and mice, are words about Toxoplasma gondii's effects in
humans. It fits. The Trump family is heavily infested with parasites.

  #34  
Old August 1st 18, 06:23 PM posted to alt.privacy.anon-server,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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The Natural Philosopher formulated the question :
On 01/08/18 16:43, Nomen Nescio wrote:

The Natural Philosopher wrote on 8/1/2018 :

On 01/08/18 15:31, Anonymous wrote:
After serious thinking The Natural Philosopher wrote :
On 01/08/18 12:51, Mayayana wrote:
"Rene Lamontagne" wrote

Nevertheless, Computerworld, twisted the story and made
up a dramatic crisis out of thin air. The author says
straight out that MS are replacing Win10 with a rental
you'll have no control over. There's no basis at all
for that statement that I can find.

I'm not likely to jump off a bridge over that overblown
article.


Just as well. Your Surface as a Service probably isn't
water-resistant.


Seriously though, isn't notebook as a service what a
chromebook is Or smartphone as a service, android

Indeed Liux itself is desktop as a service, except its
free...It's all about where the line is drawn between stuff
that is upgraded centrally and installed on your computer or
upgraded cenrally and NOT permanently stored on your
computer, and if you actually care.

Not sure how an OS installed on my computer can be considered a
service.


Easily if it was downloaded and is maintained by someone else.
Voluntarism and/or hobby pursuits does not equal a service. A
service always has dollar marks assigned to it.

Yes. The creators of Linux OS's are not doing their work with a
mind
to produce a service for others, but they are doing it out of their
technical interest in producing and programming software. It may
also include that ego thing, with those that identify themselves,
although that is not necessarily a bad thing.


I have extreme trouble understanding what on earth you are talking
about.


Well, try another news group with people much less intelligent.
Questioning my intelligence is not going to convince me or anyone else
that you are smarter.
  #35  
Old August 1st 18, 07:01 PM posted to alt.privacy.anon-server,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 2018-08-01, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

There is nothing a fleet of dispatchable nuclear power plants cannot do
that cannot be done worse and more expensively and with higher carbon
emissions and more adverse environmental impact by adding intermittent
renewable energy.


The problem is that the manufacturers/operators of nuclear power plants have proven
themselves incompetent at safety. Fukushima (lets put the emergency
power for water pumps in the basement). Chernobile (lets run tests and
override the emergeny failsafes). And the consequences of unsafe operation are
pretty devestating. So yes, your statement is OK, but it is a bit likethe
anti-greenouse crowd.
There is nothing that a bunch of coal fired plants cannot do more cheaply than
any other source, until the consequences destroy civilisation. Unfortunately
consequences, including those of incompetence, because incompetence is a fixed
feature of the physica world, are things that need to be
taken into account in making decisions.
  #36  
Old August 1st 18, 07:13 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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mechanic wrote:
On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 07:04:51 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote:

Schools and universities are wall to wall MS. Which is
particularly depressing given the lack of money in schools.


But a look round many student groups shows a preponderance of apple
laptops/tablets. Maybe it's the student discount that helps.
(strange cross posting groupmix adjusted)


True. Apple laptops are popular amongst the students - if they can afford
them. My University supplies and supports Macs to some staff, but they are
a second class citizen in terms of support. Suits me

  #37  
Old August 1st 18, 07:29 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.privacy.anon-server,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc
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Mayayana wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote

| Just as well. Your Surface as a Service probably
| isn't water-resistant.
|
|
| Seriously though, isn't notebook as a service what a chromebook is? Or
| smartphone as a service, android?
|
| Indeed Liux itself is desktop as a service, except its free...It's all
| about where the line is drawn between stuff that is upgraded centrally
| and installed on your computer or upgraded cenrally and NOT permanently
| stored on your computer, and if you actually care.
|

These days I don't think that aspect is very relevant.
Office 365 is installed locally.


There's an online-only version which requires no local installing. Works in
your browser just Google docs.


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Old August 1st 18, 07:46 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In article , Chris
wrote:


But a look round many student groups shows a preponderance of apple
laptops/tablets. Maybe it's the student discount that helps.
(strange cross posting groupmix adjusted)


True. Apple laptops are popular amongst the students - if they can afford
them.


they're similar prices to comparable windows laptops.

unless the school requires chromebooks (which are cheap), students will
need something more than a budget laptop.
  #39  
Old August 1st 18, 07:50 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.privacy.anon-server,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc
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On 2018-08-01 12:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 01/08/18 11:02, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2018-08-01 09:04, Chris wrote:
nospam wrote:
In article , Anssi Saari
wrote:


MS underestimated Android in the phone market.
They might fail again with the desktop.

Here's hoping (for Microsoft's demise). But I think it's more like a
paradigm shift happened. Absolutely nothing threatens Microsoft on the
PC desktop,

quite a bit does. chromebooks are very strong in education and web apps
(mainly google) are winning out over ms office.

Not in the UK. Schools and universities are wall to wall MS. Which is
particularly depressing given the lack of money in schools.


I was in a classroom a few years back here (Spain), and the funny thing
was that the school officially embraced free software; yet the teachers
wrote their pieces on Word instead of LibreOffice, so the students did
the same (without licenses). Someone really using LO had a bit of a
problem because the formatting often is not accurately converted.


I have found thats generally NOT an issue if the same fonts are installed


That's one of the issues. Others are complicated pages with tables and
figures. Pages in which just one tiny change would produce one more
page. Differences in margin interpretation.

Even different versions of M. Office produce different results. What's
more, different computers with the same Office software produce
different results; in many cases I found out it was differences in the
default printer.


Most of the people I saw used Windows and Office without licenses, so MS
was getting nothing - except that the people got familiar with MS and
demand MS products later.


Mmm.

But companies are just rubbish really. I mean would you believe a
company that prints from WORD onto letterhead PAPER, scans the result
and emails it as a PDF?


LOL. I have not seen that lately, except for one reason: the letter had
to carry the handwritten signature of somebody. The alternative I have
seen was to have the signature scanned and saved as a picture, then
inserted on the document.

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  #40  
Old August 1st 18, 07:53 PM posted to alt.privacy.anon-server,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Indeed Liux itself is desktop as a service, except its free...It's all
about where the line is drawn between stuff that is upgraded centrally
and installed on your computer or upgraded cenrally and NOT permanently
stored on your computer, and if you actually care.


No it is not. Yes there is a central repository for programs and update,
but:

You are not forced to upgrade if you wish

It does not stop working if you don't

Your credentials, applications, and OS are all locally installed on your
system

It does not stop working if your disconnect from the network.

I have an old server retired with Ubuntu 10.04, well out of support.
Boots and works just fine.

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Old August 1st 18, 07:55 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc
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On 2018-08-01 15:10, Ivan Shmakov wrote:
Carlos E R writes:
On 2018-08-01 09:04, Chris wrote:
nospam wrote:


[No idea what news:alt.privacy.anon-server has to do with the
topic; dropped.]


Fine with me :-)


[...]

quite a bit does. chromebooks are very strong in education and web
apps (mainly google) are winning out over ms office.


Not in the UK. Schools and universities are wall to wall MS. Which
is particularly depressing given the lack of money in schools.


I was in a classroom a few years back here (Spain), and the funny
thing was that the school officially embraced free software; yet the
teachers wrote their pieces on Word instead of LibreOffice, so the
students did the same (without licenses). Someone really using LO had
a bit of a problem because the formatting often is not accurately
converted.


Most of the people I saw used Windows and Office without licenses, so
MS was getting nothing - except that the people got familiar with MS
and demand MS products later.


I don't know how [1] is reliable as a source, but I'm going to
quote it anyway.

"Although about 3 million computers get sold every year in China,
people don't pay for the software. Someday they will, though,"
Gates told an audience at the University of Washington. "And as
long as they're going to steal it, we want them to steal ours.
They'll get sort of addicted, and then we'll somehow figure out
how to collect sometime in the next decade."

[1] How Piracy Opens Doors for Windows // Los Angeles Times.
URI: http://articles.latimes.com/2006/apr...i-micropiracy9


I don't know if the quote is reliable, but I have heard that idea often,
yes. Not about China in particular, but the same thing. I think the idea
is true.

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Old August 1st 18, 08:23 PM posted to alt.privacy.anon-server,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 01/08/18 19:01, William Unruh wrote:
On 2018-08-01, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

There is nothing a fleet of dispatchable nuclear power plants cannot do
that cannot be done worse and more expensively and with higher carbon
emissions and more adverse environmental impact by adding intermittent
renewable energy.


The problem is that the manufacturers/operators of nuclear power plants have proven
themselves incompetent at safety. Fukushima (lets put the emergency
power for water pumps in the basement). Chernobile (lets run tests and
override the emergeny failsafes). And the consequences of unsafe operation are
pretty devestating. So yes, your statement is OK, but it is a bit likethe
anti-greenouse crowd.
There is nothing that a bunch of coal fired plants cannot do more cheaply than
any other source, until the consequences destroy civilisation. Unfortunately
consequences, including those of incompetence, because incompetence is a fixed
feature of the physica world, are things that need to be
taken into account in making decisions.

Oh dear.

Deaths at Chernobyl 50-70
Deaths at Three mile Island 0

Leaving aside chernobyl the other two incidents are a tribute to their
safety systems. Despite complete core meltdown the secondary containment
safety kept emissions so low that there was no public risk at all.

Danger from CO2 emissions 0
..
No reactor of the chernobyl design is running today outside Russia


You have drunk the Left Koolaid, haven't you?

More deaths resulted for inappropriate response to Fukushima than from
the incident itself.

20,000 people died on account of the tsunami. Half a dozen died when
they were evacuated inappropriately. None died or will die from the
radiation release.


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Old August 1st 18, 08:26 PM posted to alt.privacy.anon-server,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In article , says...

On 7/31/2018 6:50 PM, Anonymous wrote:
MS has it wrong. I'll keep my pc and run Linux.

https://www.computerworld.com/article/3293429/microsoft-windows/with-daas-windows-coming-say-goodbye-to-your-pc-as-you-know-it.html

It's inevitable.
Won't be long before that power switch is replaced by a
credit card reader.

MS underestimated Android in the phone market.
They might fail again with the desktop.


I was wring on newsgroup during 98 Beta testing that that was want MS
wanted all along. Bill Gates is quoted as stating that as far as he was
concerned he shoulkd get paid for everytime someone used his spftware
rather than the one time purchase. They're just slowly taking the one
time purchases away solely becuase they feel they can wiothout it
affecting their bottom line. Any statement that it "for us" is pure
BULL****!!!

I have 13 pc's in house, all running Win7. Not one of them will see
Windows 10. I'm not willing to go back to becoming simply a restricted
user same as it was decades ago on mainframes. Geez, doing what I wanted
to do even if it meant screwing it all up was why I fell in love with
pcs and dropped mainframes as soon as possible in the first place.

Glad I'm old enough I don't think it'll really affect me critically now.
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Old August 1st 18, 08:36 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.privacy.anon-server,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc
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William Unruh wrote:
On 2018-08-01, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

There is nothing a fleet of dispatchable nuclear power plants cannot do
that cannot be done worse and more expensively and with higher carbon
emissions and more adverse environmental impact by adding intermittent
renewable energy.


The problem is that the manufacturers/operators of nuclear power plants have proven
themselves incompetent at safety. Fukushima (lets put the emergency
power for water pumps in the basement). Chernobile (lets run tests and
override the emergeny failsafes). And the consequences of unsafe operation are
pretty devestating.


No one's going argue that Chernobyl wasn't a disaster. Fukushima was hit by
series of catastrophic events, one after the other, affecting multiple
backup systems and yet the reactor still didn't breach. The plant failed as
designed for the worst case scenario.

I can't imagine anything surviving a huge earthquake, subsequent tsunami
and failure of the cooling systems unscathed.

Let's not forget the tsunami killed 15,000 people. No-one has died as
result of the radiation leak from the fukushima accident.
https://www.popularmechanics.com/sci...e-years-later/

https://xkcd.com/radiation/

So yes, your statement is OK, but it is a bit likethe
anti-greenouse crowd.


It's the opposite as it's based on fact .

There is nothing that a bunch of coal fired plants cannot do more cheaply than
any other source, until the consequences destroy civilisation. Unfortunately
consequences, including those of incompetence, because incompetence is a fixed
feature of the physica world, are things that need to be
taken into account in making decisions.


And yet despite even the Chernobyl disaster, nuclear has been shown to be
safer, cleaner and better overall than fossil fuel based power plants.

Fossil fuel is unsustainable, destroying the planet and killing people at
an ever increasing pace.

https://www.newscientist.com/article...nuclear-power/


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Old August 1st 18, 08:36 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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nospam wrote:
In article , Chris
wrote:


But a look round many student groups shows a preponderance of apple
laptops/tablets. Maybe it's the student discount that helps.
(strange cross posting groupmix adjusted)


True. Apple laptops are popular amongst the students - if they can afford
them.


they're similar prices to comparable windows laptops.


I didn't say otherwise.

 




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