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OT - Looking for a simple explanation - Thunderbird
Hi Carlos :-)
This thread might provide you with insight too! https://groups.google.com/forum/#!to...re/kJUmRzk40Zk Thanks for listening. -- David B. Devon, UK |
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David in Devon wrote:
I've never known any other MVP lose their status on the Answers forums, even when they die! The old MVP program rewarded "helping people in a public forum as a subject matter expert". The new MVP program rewards "evangelism". In the Guy Kawasaki sense. The people most able to meet the requirements today, are "Microsoft partners" and give dry lectures in public places. They're the most likely people to receive an MVP reward. Helping people is not considered to be the right target now. It's more of a "sales activity". If you look at the people listed as MVPs today, look at their CV, they are more likely to look like sales types, to the rest of us. And none of them particularly have name recognition. It almost looks like "automatic promotion for being a Microsoft Partner". It's also possible for a person to "decline" a nomination, and tell Microsoft "look, I don't have time for this and it's cutting into my day job". Your first responsibility is paying the bills, taking care of your own health, so if a person feels overloaded, they can give back their MVP and have it awarded to some other person as a result. Nobody wants to put tons of hours into countable activity as an MVP, just to receive a free Tshirt. Paul |
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David in Devon, Mon, 18 Mar 2019 19:57:18 GMT
Subject: OT - Looking for a simple explanation - Thunderbird The simple explanation is that the owner has banned you from the server. As far as I am aware, *anyone* is entitled to use the MyPlugBox newsgroups *WITHOUT* the need to even _have_ a Username and Password - it's purported to be a 'protected' environment but, in reality, it is a free-for-all. It is 'protected' when you can be banned. It is no longer a 'free-for-all' for you any more (now that you are banned). These simple facts are not difficult to grasp. Can anyone reading here use the MyPlugBox newsgroups *without* a need to supply a username and password? Yes. I am not banned. If so, how may the server owner have manipulated Thunderbird to require me to have to supply them? Your Thunderbird's requests to the server all receive an NNTP '480' error response from the server, because you are banned. ⎘ David in Devon, Mon, 18 Mar 2019 23:09:59 GMT *HOW* can one obtain a Username and Password? I expect that *you* (David in Devon) cannot. It is just their way of banning you. ⎘ David in Devon, Tue, 19 Mar 2019 11:56:56 GMT If I connect to the myplugbox server, albeit through Thunderbird as a news server, I suspect that the server owner can determine much about my computer in a similar way to what's shown at THIS link:- https://web.archive.org/web/20160424...al/tektest.php If that is the case, armed with such information a server owner could, I believe, carry out all kinds of nefarious activity. Do you agree? The owner has the absolute right to allow or disallow any guest into his home and into his server. The principle is that "an Englishman's home is his castle". |
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On Wed, 20 Mar 2019 11:45:20 +0000, David in Devon
wrote: You are, I'm sure, absolutely right about that. He was, though, a self-proclaimed 'moderator' of the Annexcafe There is no such thing as a "self proclaimed" moderator on PRIVATE servers. Either the site owner gives you moderator privileges, or he doesn't. Since he BANNED you for criminal activity, he obviously WAS a moderator simply doing what was expected of him. (groups restored) HTH List of nyms used by BD to try to break into private servers: https://web.archive.org/web/20190318192230/https://tekrider.net/pages/david-brooks-stalker.php []'s -- Don't be evil - Google 2004 We have a new policy - Google 2012 Nineteen Eighty-Four was a work of FICTION !!!! - Orwell |
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On 19/03/2019 20.29, Mike Easter wrote:
Carlos E.R. wrote: I only see one post from Mike Easter in this thread, and no reply to it. The split thread business in this thread resembles the struggle between top-posters and untrimmed bottom-posters. As an anti-x-poster, in my efforts to minimize the off-topicality of what I consider excessive or inappropriate x-posting, I typically delete those cross-posted groups which I don't subscribe or to which a message thread is OT for a x-posted group. I delete those that are blatantly offtopic. Or when I fear that the reply there could cause a "war". Consequently, most of my messages in this thread were posted only to alt.computer.workshop; except a message which I felt a thread participant was 'coming from' the windows -10 group,Â* ie you, for which I allowed the x-post configuration which included win-10 to stand. Ah. I feel that BD and some others x-post too much.Â* Those of us who delete x-posts we don't agree, as described above, contribute to the problems of thread splitting.Â* The basic /cause/ of thread splitting is 'fundamentally' caused by the x-posters and 'executed' by anti-x-posters like me. -- Cheers, Carlos. |
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On 19/03/2019 21.01, David in Devon wrote:
On 19/03/2019 19:05, Carlos E.R. wrote: On 19/03/2019 12.56, David in Devon wrote: On 19/03/2019 11:32, Carlos E.R. wrote: On 19/03/2019 00.09, David in Devon wrote: On 18/03/2019 22:57, Carlos E.R. wrote: On 18/03/2019 22.46, David in Devon wrote: On 18/03/2019 20:54, Big Al wrote: On 3/18/19 3:57 PM, David in Devon wrote: Following the detraction of the newsgroups which were hosted hosted on the Annex.com server for many years, some groups were transferred to a similar arrangement on the MyPlugBox.com server. I've set up news.myplugbox.com as a news server on Thunderbird, but when I try to connect to the server to download the groups, I get this pop-up asking for my Username and Password. https://www.dropbox.com/s/n70zlorf2w...2019.36.08.png A similar pop-up occurs, when I use news.eternal-september.orq but, after I append my Username and Password once, I do not have to do so again. As far as I am aware, *anyone* is entitled to use the MyPlugBox newsgroups *WITHOUT* the need to even _have_ a Username and Password - it's purported to be a 'protected' environment but, in reality, it is a free-for-all. Can anyone reading here use the MyPlugBox newsgroups *without* a need to supply a username and password? If so, how may the server owner have manipulated Thunderbird to require me to have to supply them? When you setup the newsgroup there is a checkbox to determine if you need to login or not.Â* You have to set that up for no login required. Server settings-Security SettingsÂ*Â* I think. Thanks Al :-) You can see that I've left the appropriate tick-box unchecked:- https://www.dropbox.com/s/kdq9ufkiw6...2021.19.05.png No, not the same thing. That's you (your thunderbird) requesting authentication.Â* But the news server can demand authentication from you before allowing you in, which is what is happening (I guess). And once entered, Th may remember the login/pass for ever if you tick the box on your first photo. *HOW* can one obtain a Username and Password? Any clue, Carlos? By requesting them from the site. Seriously. Or do you intend illegal entry? I believe it important to read posts from ALL participants in any thread in order to garner the necessary background. Mike Easter has made some valid points which you may care to review and, of course, my responses to him. I only see one post from Mike Easter in this thread, and no reply to it. May I refer you to this thread on Google Groups? https://groups.google.com/forum/#!to...op/6_GWCeyqRco Ok. Mike' made a number of posts in this thread, but most are confined to 'my' group - 'alt.computer.workshop'. You can, of course, try the empty login/pass pair. I did try. That does not work. Perhaps you have sufficient knowledge to comment further. If I connect to the myplugbox server, albeit through Thunderbird as a news server, I suspect that the server owner can determine much about my computer in a similar way to what's shown at THIS link:- https://web.archive.org/web/20160424...al/tektest.php So what? Can you see that same info. page if you look on the www.tekrider.net website? (rather than using archive.org as I had to do). I don't see how that relates. It simply shows that the page removed that information part at some point in time. It doesn't follow at all any malice on the old page. I have seen several similar information pages, some more complete. Example: http://webkay.robinlinus.com/ About the rest, nothing to comment from me. -- Cheers, Carlos. |
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On 21/03/2019 01:41, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 19/03/2019 20.29, Mike Easter wrote: Carlos E.R. wrote: I only see one post from Mike Easter in this thread, and no reply to it. The split thread business in this thread resembles the struggle between top-posters and untrimmed bottom-posters. As an anti-x-poster, in my efforts to minimize the off-topicality of what I consider excessive or inappropriate x-posting, I typically delete those cross-posted groups which I don't subscribe or to which a message thread is OT for a x-posted group. I delete those that are blatantly offtopic. Or when I fear that the reply there could cause a "war". Consequently, most of my messages in this thread were posted only to alt.computer.workshop; except a message which I felt a thread participant was 'coming from' the windows -10 group,Â* ie you, for which I allowed the x-post configuration which included win-10 to stand. Ah. I'd like for you to stay in 'my' Usenet group, Carlos! :-) I feel that BD and some others x-post too much.Â* Those of us who delete x-posts we don't agree, as described above, contribute to the problems of thread splitting.Â* The basic /cause/ of thread splitting is 'fundamentally' caused by the x-posters and 'executed' by anti-x-posters like me. I do understand why Mike Easter does this. -- David B. Devon, UK |
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OT - Looking for a simple explanation - Thunderbird
On Thu, 21 Mar 2019 09:34:36 +0000, David in Devon
wrote: I'd like for you to stay in 'my' Usenet group, Carlos! You don't moderate ANY Usenet groups. If you had bothered to read his replies, you might have noticed he caught on to you. In fact he inferred trying to break into private servers was illegal. So I doubt very much he will reply to any emails you send him asking for "help". List of nyms used by BD to try to break into and disrupt private servers: https://web.archive.org/web/20190318192230/https://tekrider.net/pages/david-brooks-stalker.php []'s -- Don't be evil - Google 2004 We have a new policy - Google 2012 Nineteen Eighty-Four was a work of FICTION !!!! - Orwell |
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