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Buffalo wrote:
"Weatherman"Â* wrote in message news

Buffalo wrote:
"Weatherman"Â* wrote in message news
Buffalo wrote:
Is it still possible to upgrade from Win7 Pro 64bit to Win10 Pro
64bit for free legally?
If so, how?
Thanks,
Buffalo

Nope, gotta pay now.
I have heard that. This is for a friend and I am hoping there is a
low cost or still a free way to do it.
Thanks,

Linux is free.
My friend car barely run Win7, let alone run Linux.

Linux is easier than Windows 7, especially Ubuntu or Linux Mint. For
example, updates for *everything* are in one place. How many times has
your friend not updated Flash, the brwoser or Java?

Weatherman wrote:
Buffalo wrote:
"Weatherman" wrote in message news

Buffalo wrote:
"Weatherman" wrote in message news
Buffalo wrote:
Is it still possible to upgrade from Win7 Pro 64bit to Win10 Pro
64bit for free legally?
If so, how?
Thanks,
Buffalo

Nope, gotta pay now.
I have heard that. This is for a friend and I am hoping there is a
low cost or still a free way to do it.
Thanks,

Linux is free.
My friend car barely run Win7, let alone run Linux.

Linux is easier than Windows 7, especially Ubuntu or Linux Mint. For
example, updates for *everything* are in one place. How many times has
your friend not updated Flash, the brwoser or Java?

And who doesn't need a new kernel every day, to break
the stuff they've installed via DKMS :-/

If you do select Linux, it's a lot like Windows in that
you'll want to *turn off the ****ing updates* :-)
Trust me.

Updates are no fun, no matter what corporate body
is shoveling them at you. Nobody gives a rats ass
if your machine is broken "automatically" while
you watch.

And in case one of you asks for "concrete example",
I just installed the Paragon NTFS fuse driver in
a machine. A machine that's now frozen at 4.10 kernel.
Why is the machine frozen at 4.10 ? Because Paragon
says the thing they release in the year 2017, will
only work up to kernel 4.12. And the current kernel is
perhaps 4.17 or higher.

Yes, Linux use ia a very practical situation, where
you have to keep looking over shoulder to see if
you're about to be gunned down or run over. I've had
kernel updates that removed the driver for the
emulated video in my virtual machine, leaving me
with nothing but a text console to look at.

So the deal is, if *anybody* in the ecosystem stops
chasing the ever-revving kernel, their **** will break.

At least on Windows, some old orphan stuff still works,
or by accident, doesn't use any subsystems that change
frequently. I don't know if it's possible to be
that lucky on Linux. Could you take an executable from
some old Puppy and run it on your current setup ?
Probably the wrong libc to start with.

*******

If you're going to "give Linux to grandma", here is the
success formula.

1) Go to computer store.
Buy a *brand new* computer.
This ensures current drivers and development efforts
will be pointed at your new shinny beast.
2) Boot the Linux DVD.
Does the network work ?
It doesn't always work. A recent (within last
two years DVD), the network interface wasn't working
out of the box. This is a harbinger of things to come.
3) OK, now install Linux.
4) *Don't* use the Nvidia or ATI/AMD proprietary binary
blob drivers (restricted drivers menu). If you do,
Grandma will fall and break a hip.
5) Turn off updates.
This way the environment is stable.
If Grandma can do email today, she'll be doing
email ten years from now.

Substitute your own gender and age group in
place of Grandma, as appropriate.

HTH,
Paul

On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 19:35:44 -0400
Paul wrote:

Weatherman wrote:
Buffalo wrote:
"Weatherman" wrote in message news
Buffalo wrote:
"Weatherman" wrote in message
news
Buffalo wrote:
Is it still possible to upgrade from Win7 Pro 64bit to Win10
Pro 64bit for free legally?
If so, how?
Thanks,
Buffalo

Nope, gotta pay now.
I have heard that. This is for a friend and I am hoping there is
a low cost or still a free way to do it.
Thanks,

Linux is free.
My friend car barely run Win7, let alone run Linux.

Linux is easier than Windows 7, especially Ubuntu or Linux Mint.
For example, updates for *everything* are in one place. How many
times has your friend not updated Flash, the brwoser or Java?

And who doesn't need a new kernel every day, to break
the stuff they've installed via DKMS :-/

If you do select Linux, it's a lot like Windows in that
you'll want to *turn off the ****ing updates* :-)
Trust me.

That's not true. I have been using Linux Mint for about four years,
and I have had one problem with updates. My printer stopped working,
and the problem was easily corrected.


Updates are no fun, no matter what corporate body
is shoveling them at you. Nobody gives a rats ass
if your machine is broken "automatically" while
you watch.

Microsoft doesn't give a ****. The Linux Mint team does.


And in case one of you asks for "concrete example",
I just installed the Paragon NTFS fuse driver in
a machine. A machine that's now frozen at 4.10 kernel.
Why is the machine frozen at 4.10 ? Because Paragon
says the thing they release in the year 2017, will
only work up to kernel 4.12. And the current kernel is
perhaps 4.17 or higher.

I'll bet not one in this group knows what an NTFS fuse driver is.


Yes, Linux use ia a very practical situation, where
you have to keep looking over shoulder to see if
you're about to be gunned down or run over. I've had
kernel updates that removed the driver for the
emulated video in my virtual machine, leaving me
with nothing but a text console to look at.

You have the choice of updating the kernel, and now if you have a
problem after the update there is Timeshift, that will restore to a
previous time, and correct the problem


So the deal is, if *anybody* in the ecosystem stops
chasing the ever-revving kernel, their **** will break.

No their **** won't break


At least on Windows, some old orphan stuff still works,
or by accident, doesn't use any subsystems that change
frequently. I don't know if it's possible to be
that lucky on Linux. Could you take an executable from
some old Puppy and run it on your current setup ?
Probably the wrong libc to start with.

Probably? Who would do it anyway?

The rest of the stupid **** removed.

On 10/10/2018 3:05 PM, Buffalo wrote:
"GlowingBlueMist"Â* wrote in message news

On 10/10/2018 10:59 AM, Buffalo wrote:
"Weatherman"Â* wrote in message news
Buffalo wrote:
Is it still possible to upgrade from Win7 Pro 64bit to Win10 Pro
64bit for free legally?
If so, how?
Thanks,
Buffalo

Nope, gotta pay now.
I have heard that. This is for a friend and I am hoping there is a
low cost or still a free way to do it.
Thanks,

It's not official and I have not tried it myself but I have heard that
if you have a retail license and use that number when asked for a W10
license number that the upgrade servers just might go ahead and
upgrade your machine to a licensed W10 machine.

If your friend has a blank hard drive or SSD it might be worth a try
to pull the original W7 boot disk and plug one of them in, then give
it a try. What do you have to loose if it don't work but a little time.

This link might give you more information on the subject as well:

https://www.howtogeek.com/272201/all...s-10-for-free/


The article the link takes you to is from January 2018 so it's always
possible Microsoft has changed things since then.
Thanks for the idea and the link.
He doesn't have a spare HDD or SSD.
From what I've read in this thread it sounds like it still might be
worth a go, but, I would make sure that the user files are all backed first.

Also visit the web site of the company that made the PC, provided they
are still in business, and download any/all W10 drivers they might have
for that model. Windows 10 tries to match their list of drivers to the
hardware during the upgrade but on some older stuff you still might need
to supply one or two say for the motherboard and such.

On 10/10/2018 11:21 AM, Weatherman wrote:

[snip]

I have heard that. This is for a friend and I am hoping there is a low
cost or still a free way to do it.
Thanks,

Linux is free.

But it's incomplete. It comes without many of the annoyances of Win 10,
and some people have to have those.

On 10/10/2018 4:35 PM, Paul wrote:
Weatherman wrote:
Buffalo wrote:
"Weatherman"Â* wrote in message news
Buffalo wrote:
"Weatherman"Â* wrote in message news
Buffalo wrote:
Is it still possible to upgrade from Win7 Pro 64bit to Win10 Pro
64bit for free legally?
If so, how?
Thanks,
Buffalo

Nope, gotta pay now.
I have heard that. This is for a friend and I am hoping there is a
low cost or still a free way to do it.
Thanks,

Linux is free.
My friend car barely run Win7, let alone run Linux.

Linux is easier than Windows 7, especially Ubuntu or Linux Mint. For
example, updates for *everything* are in one place. How many times has
your friend not updated Flash, the brwoser or Java?

And who doesn't need a new kernel every day, to break
the stuff they've installed via DKMS :-/

If you do select Linux, it's a lot like Windows in that
you'll want to *turn off the ****ing updates* :-)
Trust me.

Updates are no fun, no matter what corporate body
is shoveling them at you. Nobody gives a rats ass
if your machine is broken "automatically" while
you watch.

And in case one of you asks for "concrete example",
I just installed the Paragon NTFS fuse driver in
a machine. A machine that's now frozen at 4.10 kernel.
Why is the machine frozen at 4.10 ? Because Paragon
says the thing they release in the year 2017, will
only work up to kernel 4.12. And the current kernel is
perhaps 4.17 or higher.

Yes, Linux use ia a very practical situation, where
you have to keep looking over shoulder to see if
you're about to be gunned down or run over. I've had
kernel updates that removed the driver for the
emulated video in my virtual machine, leaving me
with nothing but a text console to look at.

So the deal is, if *anybody* in the ecosystem stops
chasing the ever-revving kernel, their **** will break.

At least on Windows, some old orphan stuff still works,
or by accident, doesn't use any subsystems that change
frequently. I don't know if it's possible to be
that lucky on Linux. Could you take an executable from
some old Puppy and run it on your current setup ?
Probably the wrong libc to start with.

*******

If you're going to "give Linux to grandma", here is the
success formula.

1) Go to computer store.
Â*Â* Buy a *brand new* computer.
Â*Â* This ensures current drivers and development efforts
Â*Â* will be pointed at your new shinny beast.
2) Boot the Linux DVD.
Â*Â* Does the network work ?
Â*Â* It doesn't always work. A recent (within last
Â*Â* two years DVD), the network interface wasn't working
Â*Â* out of the box. This is a harbinger of things to come.
3) OK, now install Linux.
4) *Don't* use the Nvidia or ATI/AMD proprietary binary
Â*Â* blob drivers (restricted drivers menu). If you do,
Â*Â* Grandma will fall and break a hip.
5) Turn off updates.
Â*Â* This way the environment is stable.
Â*Â* If Grandma can do email today, she'll be doing
Â*Â* email ten years from now.

Substitute your own gender and age group in
place of Grandma, as appropriate.

HTH,
Â*Â*Â* Paul
That's a wee bit harsh, but I'd mostly agree.
Zorin OS is particularly interesting if you're a windows refugee.
I'd start with a live CD for MacPup 5.50.
Watch the target try to run it. If they can't master that
in short order, further linux exposure is futile.

I have a litmus test for linux distros.

Step One: install a program from the repository.
If you can't make the internet work, or
if the program won't run out of the box, ditch the distro.

Step Two: Create a launcher icon for that program on the desktop.
If you can't do it with a click or drag...
or if you have to sit in a circle of magic dust and
summon demons from hell to make it happen, exorcize the distro.
Any developer who thinks that is not important will create all
manner of other difficulties for you.

Step Three: Make ALL the functions of your mouse and multi-function
printer work.
If you can't get ALL the functions supported using a GUI provided
by the developer, print a pink slip...on someone else's working machine.

Step 4: If you have a local network with windows machines, you should
be able to transfer files between them OUT OF THE BOX using a GUI.
If you have to understand protocols, unfriend the distro.


If you get this far, it's probably worth putting in the effort
to bend it to your will. Enjoy your new hobby.

Of course, the linux zealots will claim that all that is easy.
(the mantra is, "if linux don't support it, you don't need it)
And they'd be right...FOR THEM.
Grandma ain't gonna make it happen.

Mike wrote:
On 10/10/2018 4:35 PM, Paul wrote:
Weatherman wrote:
Buffalo wrote:
"Weatherman" wrote in message news
Buffalo wrote:
"Weatherman" wrote in message news
Buffalo wrote:
Is it still possible to upgrade from Win7 Pro 64bit to Win10 Pro
64bit for free legally?
If so, how?
Thanks,
Buffalo

Nope, gotta pay now.
I have heard that. This is for a friend and I am hoping there is a
low cost or still a free way to do it.
Thanks,

Linux is free.
My friend car barely run Win7, let alone run Linux.

Linux is easier than Windows 7, especially Ubuntu or Linux Mint. For
example, updates for *everything* are in one place. How many times
has your friend not updated Flash, the brwoser or Java?

And who doesn't need a new kernel every day, to break
the stuff they've installed via DKMS :-/

If you do select Linux, it's a lot like Windows in that
you'll want to *turn off the ****ing updates* :-)
Trust me.

Updates are no fun, no matter what corporate body
is shoveling them at you. Nobody gives a rats ass
if your machine is broken "automatically" while
you watch.

And in case one of you asks for "concrete example",
I just installed the Paragon NTFS fuse driver in
a machine. A machine that's now frozen at 4.10 kernel.
Why is the machine frozen at 4.10 ? Because Paragon
says the thing they release in the year 2017, will
only work up to kernel 4.12. And the current kernel is
perhaps 4.17 or higher.

Yes, Linux use ia a very practical situation, where
you have to keep looking over shoulder to see if
you're about to be gunned down or run over. I've had
kernel updates that removed the driver for the
emulated video in my virtual machine, leaving me
with nothing but a text console to look at.

So the deal is, if *anybody* in the ecosystem stops
chasing the ever-revving kernel, their **** will break.

At least on Windows, some old orphan stuff still works,
or by accident, doesn't use any subsystems that change
frequently. I don't know if it's possible to be
that lucky on Linux. Could you take an executable from
some old Puppy and run it on your current setup ?
Probably the wrong libc to start with.

*******

If you're going to "give Linux to grandma", here is the
success formula.

1) Go to computer store.
Buy a *brand new* computer.
This ensures current drivers and development efforts
will be pointed at your new shinny beast.
2) Boot the Linux DVD.
Does the network work ?
It doesn't always work. A recent (within last
two years DVD), the network interface wasn't working
out of the box. This is a harbinger of things to come.
3) OK, now install Linux.
4) *Don't* use the Nvidia or ATI/AMD proprietary binary
blob drivers (restricted drivers menu). If you do,
Grandma will fall and break a hip.
5) Turn off updates.
This way the environment is stable.
If Grandma can do email today, she'll be doing
email ten years from now.

Substitute your own gender and age group in
place of Grandma, as appropriate.

HTH,
Paul

That's a wee bit harsh, but I'd mostly agree.

But you're forgetting this is the "Grandma Strawman".

A number of people trot out that Strawman, as if it's real.

*Nobody* figures out computers all the time.

My only skill, is using Google to find stuff.

I can waste *hours* on either OS, making a
desired result happen.

The "Grandma hypothesis" is that a magical
grandma exists, who never calls you, who never
pesters you about the things she is seeing on
this great computer setup.

A good Grandma entertains you. She'll say "Oh,
the computer is working fine". When in fact,
she has canceled the ISP account, and put the
computer downstairs in the basement, next to the
ping pong table nobody uses. This is why
Grandma has no "problems to report". It's not
that she is a Level 39 Wizard - she is smarter
than you and simply boxed that thing up and
put it in the basement ("where it belongs").

On a typical Grandma Strawman, Grandma only
has the one computer. Whereas all the incompetents
in these newsgroups, have two or three computers.
If we brick a computer here, we use a second
(or a third computer) to dial out and Google
for help. Whereas a Level 39 Grandma, uses
the Ouija board to intuit the answer, edit
the config file and tip the machine upright
again. All the while baking an Apple Pie with
her other hand.

Paul

Buffalo wrote:
"GlowingBlueMist" wrote in message news

On 10/10/2018 10:59 AM, Buffalo wrote:
"Weatherman" wrote in message news
Buffalo wrote:
Is it still possible to upgrade from Win7 Pro 64bit to Win10 Pro
64bit for free legally?
If so, how?
Thanks,
Buffalo

Nope, gotta pay now.
I have heard that. This is for a friend and I am hoping there is a
low cost or still a free way to do it.
Thanks,

It's not official and I have not tried it myself but I have heard that
if you have a retail license and use that number when asked for a W10
license number that the upgrade servers just might go ahead and
upgrade your machine to a licensed W10 machine.

If your friend has a blank hard drive or SSD it might be worth a try
to pull the original W7 boot disk and plug one of them in, then give
it a try. What do you have to loose if it don't work but a little time.

This link might give you more information on the subject as well:

https://www.howtogeek.com/272201/all...s-10-for-free/


The article the link takes you to is from January 2018 so it's always
possible Microsoft has changed things since then.
Thanks for the idea and the link.
He doesn't have a spare HDD or SSD.

Doing "10 after 7" could be done as a multi-boot setup.

Using Disk Management, shrink the Win7 partition down,
then install Win10 in its own partition. You don't have
to offer a key right away. You don't have to activate
right away. If you decide to delete the Win10 partition(s)
later, you *will* need the Macrium Reflect emergency boot
CD with the "boot repair" option, to make Win7 boot
again when Win10 is gone.

If the C: drive content is small enough, you could
use Macrium Reflect Free to back up the hard drive
to one of these. This USB stick is $27 and is 128GB
in size, and it writes at 27MB/sec.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...82E16820211934

Don't forget to make the Macrium emergency boot CD when
you do that. You need the emergency boot CD to boot
the computer, if restoration is required.

https://www.macrium.com/reflectfree

My favorite version of that application is version 6.
Version 6 still has imgtovhd.exe , which only I care about :-)

Paul

Paul wrote:
Weatherman wrote:
Buffalo wrote:
"Weatherman"Â* wrote in message news
Buffalo wrote:
"Weatherman"Â* wrote in message news
Buffalo wrote:
Is it still possible to upgrade from Win7 Pro 64bit to Win10 Pro
64bit for free legally?
If so, how?
Thanks,
Buffalo

Nope, gotta pay now.
I have heard that. This is for a friend and I am hoping there is a
low cost or still a free way to do it.
Thanks,

Linux is free.
My friend car barely run Win7, let alone run Linux.

Linux is easier than Windows 7, especially Ubuntu or Linux Mint. For
example, updates for *everything* are in one place. How many times has
your friend not updated Flash, the brwoser or Java?

And who doesn't need a new kernel every day, to break
the stuff they've installed via DKMS :-/

Linux Mint has a new feature where you can take an image of your system.
So, you can use that before any updates although I have *never* had a
problem with Linux Mint updates but I do set the updates to only install
level 1 and 2.

On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 09:44:56 -0600, "Buffalo"
wrote:

Is it still possible to upgrade from Win7 Pro 64bit to Win10 Pro 64bit for
free legally?

Yes.

If so, how?

Just do it.

Thanks,
Buffalo

On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 09:59:12 -0600, "Buffalo"
wrote:

"Weatherman" wrote in message news

Buffalo wrote:
Is it still possible to upgrade from Win7 Pro 64bit to Win10 Pro 64bit
for free legally?
If so, how?
Thanks,
Buffalo

Nope, gotta pay now.
I have heard that. This is for a friend and I am hoping there is a low cost
or still a free way to do it.

If he has a legitimate copy of W7 just install W10 as an upgrade.

Thanks,

On 10/10/2018 11:44 PM, Buffalo wrote:
Is it still possible to upgrade from Win7 Pro 64bit to Win10 Pro 64bit for
free legally?
If so, how?
Thanks,
Buffalo


Try it first, using a spare hard disk. Do a clean install of Win 10
using its ISO then activate.

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On 10/11/2018 11:45 PM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
On 10/10/2018 11:44 PM, Buffalo wrote:
Is it still possible to upgrade from Win7 Pro 64bit to Win10 Pro 64bit for
free legally?
If so, how?
Thanks,
Buffalo


Try it first, using a spare hard disk. Do a clean install of Win 10
using its ISO then activate.


.... using your Win 7 product key!

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Buffalo wrote:
"GlowingBlueMist" wrote in message news

On 10/10/2018 10:59 AM, Buffalo wrote:
"Weatherman" wrote in message news
Buffalo wrote:

Is it still possible to upgrade from Win7 Pro 64bit to Win10 Pro 64bit
for free legally?
If so, how?
Thanks,
Buffalo

Nope, gotta pay now.

I have heard that. This is for a friend and I am hoping there is a low
cost or still a free way to do it.
Thanks,

It's not official and I have not tried it myself but I have heard that if
you have a retail license and use that number when asked for a W10 license
number that the upgrade servers just might go ahead and upgrade your
machine to a licensed W10 machine.

If your friend has a blank hard drive or SSD it might be worth a try to
pull the original W7 boot disk and plug one of them in, then give it a try.
What do you have to loose if it don't work but a little time.

This link might give you more information on the subject as well:

https://www.howtogeek.com/272201/all...s-10-for-free/

The article the link takes you to is from January 2018 so it's always
possible Microsoft has changed things since then.

Thanks for the idea and the link.
He doesn't have a spare HDD or SSD.

If *you* have an external USB-disk which you/he can - temporarily -
use, it could be used to make an (Macrium Reflect Free) image backup
*and* Rescue Media (see Paul's response) of your friend's harddisk.

That way you have general backup, in case some minor thing goes wrong,
and 'disaster-recovery' backup, in case he/you has/have to go back to
the original Windows 7 system.

Having said that, a question: *Why* does your friend want to go to
Windows 10? (I wouldn't.)

Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
On 10/11/2018 11:45 PM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
On 10/10/2018 11:44 PM, Buffalo wrote:
Is it still possible to upgrade from Win7 Pro 64bit to Win10 Pro 64bit for
free legally?
If so, how?
Thanks,
Buffalo


Try it first, using a spare hard disk. Do a clean install of Win 10
using its ISO then activate.


... using your Win 7 product key!

Will this W7 key still work for W7 though? Or it will be transfer to W10
and never used again for W7?

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