Windows 8 is a Flop, just as I predicted

On 7/27/2014 6:40 PM, Ron wrote:
On 7/27/2014 1:33 PM, Keith Nuttle wrote:

What did you get in the old Start button that you do not get by right
clicking on the Ms Icon or the program on the Task bar?

A list of all of the programs that are installed on the computer.

That is why someone came up with this....

http://blog.laptopmag.com/how-to-add...dows-8-taskbar




That is available on the Windows 8.1 desktop by right clicking on the MS
(White made to look like a Window) and selecting "Programs and
Features." A list of all installed updates is available from the
screen that comes up

On 7/27/2014 4:35 PM, Caver1 wrote:
On 07/27/2014 05:03 PM, BillW50 wrote:
On 7/27/2014 3:38 PM, Caver1 wrote:
On 07/27/2014 02:31 PM, BillW50 wrote:
On 7/27/2014 1:04 PM, Johnny wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 12:30:08 -0500
BillW50 wrote:

Nonsense. It is so easy to hack into Linux. One easy way is to use a
buffer overflow and you are right into root. And you just leave your
rootkit and the user has no idea (and most users doesn't even scan
for malware). In fact, rootkit is new to the Windows world and *nix
had them for decades now.

That applied to a server running with root privilege. That bug has
been fixed. You don't run a desktop Linux operating system with root
privilege.

No, you can hack into a Linux machine with the user not logged in as
root. It is easy enough to do through the many vulnerable buffer
overflow holes that exists within Linux.

There was one but not any now.

You mean only one that you know of. On the other hand, I know many.

Show the proof.

All you have to do is announce to the world that you run Linux and can't
be hacked. Normally they won't bother, but challenge them and they are
more than happy to help you out.

When I first started using Linux Mint I was concerned with security.
After using it for 8 months, I know I'm more secure running Linux
without any malware protection, than running Windows with Avast or any
other anti-virus program.

I have been running Windows since '93 and I never had a malware
infection yet. There are others here that can claim the same too. So we
must be doing something right, you think?

I also never had an infection on Windows.

There is something like 10% to 30% that hasn't is my best guess.

That has nothing to do with the Windows OS. That comment speaks about
you. How many hacks/bugs/viruses/rootkits/trojans... for Windows
compared to Linux? Do you know the answer or are you blind?

Actually there are zillions available for Windows and I keep on top of
them just waiting for one to hack into my machines. And when they try,
I'll turn the tables on them and they will see a message on their screen
saying something like this: "And who is being hacked now!" That is
usually enough to scare the hell out of them, although some wants to
play some more and then I have to make my point more clear by trashing
their machine(s). At that point, I never had one try again.

I really believe that. But then again you are only one person and not
the OS. If it was such a hard problem to do in Windows you wouldn't see
so many trying, and succeeding.Many have been infected that's why the
hackers are making money.

Most users are easily hacked regardless of the OS. The super good ones I
wouldn't recommend fooling with.

The other day there was a post by a Linux newbie that had downloaded
a program from a third party instead of from the devs site it
installed two malware programs.

Yes more common than you think really.

He didn't know what they were were so he posted for help. He was told
to delete them. Didn't have to follow certain steps or download a
program to uninstall them because they just sat there and couldn't do
anything.

If any malware can't do anything but sit there, they are totally
harmless. I could download zillions of Windows malware on my machine,
but they are totally useless unless they are executed before they could
do anything.

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Kingston 120GB SSD - Thunderbird v24.4.0
Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 8.1 Pro w/Media Center

On 7/27/2014 7:19 PM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 7/27/2014 4:03 PM, Caver1 wrote:
On 07/27/2014 01:33 PM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 7/27/2014 9:59 AM, BillW50 wrote:
it doesn't seem to be shared by many.



Not even to the Charms. Every thing in the Start button is now a right
click on the MS icon on the Desktop Task Bar. You can shut down the
computer, access the control panel, network properties, printers, and
more than you could in the old start button.

You have a categorized list of your previously opened files by right
clicking on any program pinned to the Desktop Task bar.

What did you get in the old Start button that you do not get by right
clicking on the Ms Icon or the program on the Task bar?


Sure didn't on 8.1. Don't remember what little was in there as my wife
is the one that uses it. But did have to add a new toolbar (right click
toolbartoolbarsadd new toolbar) pointed to the Program folder.
actually had to add two, one also pointing to the Program(x86) folder.
Doesn't actually stack up three toolbars but gives you a the name of
what it is pointing to button the original toolbar that opens a menu
vertically.
Then we downloaded Classic Menus and did away with the extra toolbars.
If we disable Classic Toolbar and revert to the default MS icon the menu
has very little on it.
You can set Classic Themes to the Win 7 start menu if you want.



My laptop came with Windows 8, fortunately it updated to Windows 8.1
within a month. 8.1 added the option to boot directly to the Desktop
which is accessed by right clicking on the bar across the bottom of the
screen. Right click any where in that bar, and Select Properties. From
Properties click Navigation. In the Navigation tab click When I sign in
or close all apps ...... got to desk top instead of Start.?

While you are there click the Jump list Tab and select "Store adn
display ....."

When you power up you will see the Desktop with the MS Icon (The
representation of the Window) in the right side of the taskbar. When
you right click the MS Icon you will be offered the following options.
Clicking "Shut down or signout" gives you the same options that the
similar line on the old Start Button gave your

Programs and Features
Mobility Center
Power options
Event Viewer
System
Device Manager
Network Connections
Disk Management
Computer Management
Command Prompt
Command Prompt (Admin)
Task Manager
Control Panel
File Explorer
Search
Run
Shut down or signout

If you go to the Windows 8 start menu, you can pin what ever programs
you want to the taskbar, and when you right click the program's icon on
the taskbar, you will see all of the recently used files.


That should be LEFT side of the Taskbar. My wife gets upset with me for
the same thing when we are in our sailboat.

On 7/27/2014 7:27 PM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 7/27/2014 6:40 PM, Ron wrote:
On 7/27/2014 1:33 PM, Keith Nuttle wrote:

What did you get in the old Start button that you do not get by right
clicking on the Ms Icon or the program on the Task bar?

A list of all of the programs that are installed on the computer.

That is why someone came up with this....

http://blog.laptopmag.com/how-to-add...dows-8-taskbar





That is available on the Windows 8.1 desktop by right clicking on the MS
(White made to look like a Window) and selecting "Programs and
Features." A list of all installed updates is available from the
screen that comes up
That should be left side of of the toolbar

On 7/27/2014 7:27 PM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 7/27/2014 6:40 PM, Ron wrote:
On 7/27/2014 1:33 PM, Keith Nuttle wrote:

What did you get in the old Start button that you do not get by right
clicking on the Ms Icon or the program on the Task bar?

A list of all of the programs that are installed on the computer.

That is why someone came up with this....

http://blog.laptopmag.com/how-to-add...dows-8-taskbar





That is available on the Windows 8.1 desktop by right clicking on the MS
(White made to look like a Window) and selecting "Programs and
Features." A list of all installed updates is available from the
screen that comes up

Yeah, for add/remove/repair. You can't open a program from there.

On 7/27/2014 7:32 PM, Ron wrote:
On 7/27/2014 7:27 PM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 7/27/2014 6:40 PM, Ron wrote:
On 7/27/2014 1:33 PM, Keith Nuttle wrote:

What did you get in the old Start button that you do not get by right
clicking on the Ms Icon or the program on the Task bar?

A list of all of the programs that are installed on the computer.

That is why someone came up with this....

http://blog.laptopmag.com/how-to-add...dows-8-taskbar






That is available on the Windows 8.1 desktop by right clicking on the MS
(White made to look like a Window) and selecting "Programs and
Features." A list of all installed updates is available from the
screen that comes up

Yeah, for add/remove/repair. You can't open a program from there.
You said list.

All of the programs can be started from the Start and Apps menu which
can be accessed by left clicking on this same MS Icon.

I find the new start menu easier to use than the old programs in the old
start menu, as it is easier to navigate. Since I pin all of the
programs I routinely use to the Desktop taskbar I infrequently visit the
Start/apps menu.

On 7/27/2014 7:43 PM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 7/27/2014 7:32 PM, Ron wrote:
On 7/27/2014 7:27 PM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 7/27/2014 6:40 PM, Ron wrote:
On 7/27/2014 1:33 PM, Keith Nuttle wrote:

What did you get in the old Start button that you do not get by right
clicking on the Ms Icon or the program on the Task bar?

A list of all of the programs that are installed on the computer.

That is why someone came up with this....

http://blog.laptopmag.com/how-to-add...dows-8-taskbar







That is available on the Windows 8.1 desktop by right clicking on the MS
(White made to look like a Window) and selecting "Programs and
Features." A list of all installed updates is available from the
screen that comes up

Yeah, for add/remove/repair. You can't open a program from there.
You said list.

Really? Did you even look at the link I posted?


All of the programs can be started from the Start and Apps menu which
can be accessed by left clicking on this same MS Icon.

The metro screen is a cluster F when looking for a program as compared
to the "old" start menu.

I find the new start menu easier to use than the old programs in the old
start menu, as it is easier to navigate. Since I pin all of the
programs I routinely use to the Desktop taskbar I infrequently visit the
Start/apps menu.


Well, you do it your way and I'll do it mine.

On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 19:31:23 -0400, knuttle
wrote:

On 7/27/2014 7:27 PM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 7/27/2014 6:40 PM, Ron wrote:
On 7/27/2014 1:33 PM, Keith Nuttle wrote:

What did you get in the old Start button that you do not get by right
clicking on the Ms Icon or the program on the Task bar?

A list of all of the programs that are installed on the computer.

That is why someone came up with this....

http://blog.laptopmag.com/how-to-add...dows-8-taskbar





That is available on the Windows 8.1 desktop by right clicking on the MS
(White made to look like a Window) and selecting "Programs and
Features." A list of all installed updates is available from the
screen that comes up
That should be left side of of the toolbar


Note that it's called the "task bar," not the "toolbar."

Also note that it's the left side only if the task bar is on the
bottom or top of the screen. Although by default the task bar appears
on the bottom of the screen, it can be on any of the sides you prefer
it on. With today's wide-screen monitors, I prefer the task bar on the
left or right side of the screen. I think that makes a better use of
screen real estate than having it at the bottom.

On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 19:30:06 -0400, knuttle wrote:

When you power up you will see the Desktop with the MS Icon (The
representation of the Window) in the right side of the taskbar. When
you right click the MS Icon you will be offered the following options.
Clicking "Shut down or signout" gives you the same options that the
similar line on the old Start Button gave your

SNIP

That should be LEFT side of the Taskbar. My wife gets upset with me for
the same thing when we are in our sailboat.

Take up folkdancing and you will soon learn left from right. But if you
don't, at least you will find yourself bumping into the nicest people.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 23:24:00 +0100
Good Guy wrote:

On 27/07/2014 23:10, BillW50 wrote:
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There is simply no point in arguing with die hard Linux junkies. The
thread will go on and on. Linux is such a system that it attracts
certain type of people who are so insecure in themselves that they
have to keep going about their system.

Best thing is to leave them alone.

Last week somebody idiot asked a question about Menu system in Linux
and the thread generated nearly 1000 posts with no solution
whatsoever. That thread polluted the Windows 7 newsgroup until I
created filters for it. People just keep writing the same thing. It
looks like we may need to create a filter for this one as well. The
post was about Windows 8 and it all came down to Linux stuff.

You can't win the argument with them. They have more time at their
disposal because, as I said, Linux junkies are a particular breed
that can't be employed elsewhere profitably.






This is from the person that has been trolling the Linux newsgroups.

"Gene E. Bloch" wrote in message
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On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 19:30:06 -0400, knuttle wrote:

When you power up you will see the Desktop with the MS Icon (The
representation of the Window) in the right side of the taskbar. When
you right click the MS Icon you will be offered the following options.
Clicking "Shut down or signout" gives you the same options that the
similar line on the old Start Button gave your

SNIP

That should be LEFT side of the Taskbar. My wife gets upset with me for
the same thing when we are in our sailboat.

Take up folkdancing and you will soon learn left from right. But if you
don't, at least you will find yourself bumping into the nicest people.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

In the Admiral's cabin, he had a triple locked box with a slip of paper that
said.. "Port is Left, Starboard is Right".

Chris

On 7/27/14 3:45 PM, BillW50 wrote:
On 7/27/2014 3:55 PM, Caver1 wrote:
On 07/27/2014 03:48 PM, BillW50 wrote:
On 7/27/2014 2:28 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 14:16:37 -0500
BillW50 wrote:

On 7/27/2014 2:03 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 14:01:08 -0500
BillW50 wrote:

On 7/27/2014 1:52 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 13:26:05 -0500
BillW50 wrote:

On 7/27/2014 12:55 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 12:30:08 -0500
BillW50 wrote:

On 7/27/2014 12:16 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 18:08:18 +0100
Good Guy wrote:

On 27/07/2014 17:32, Alias wrote:

snip

That is why trojans are the favorite attacks against *nix systems. As
most *nix users are so dumb that they believe that will never happen
while the hacker is in without the users knowledge.

But there are very few of them unlike Windows.

You mean few as far as you know. What about the stuff you don't know about?

Bill... You can ask that question about any OS, can't you?

--
Ken
Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 25.0
Thunderbird 24.6.0
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

Alias wrote:
Ed Cryer wrote:

The market would become overflowing with competing
versions of it; a bit like we have with gas and electricity suppliers,
who scramble their tariffs in order to befuddle the punters, tell
outright lies and rule; until eventually the gov would have to step in
and bring them to order.

At least MS were right about tablets. They're the future, no doubt about
it.

Not true. They are a fad an low Ipad sales prove it.

Yep, only 200 million sold since introduction as of 2014 Q1.


But desktops are still the norm for older people and especially
office work; and those number millions.

Agreed.

Currently true and should continue for some time but the number of
tablet-smart type devices brought into the workplace by employes has
already changed that ecosystem. The 1980 and later generations will
inevitable determine the future for both.

And never underestimate the impact that Asia's consumers, as
infrastructure improves, will have on the long term direction.


--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps

I believe Windows 8 was a marketing failure not a failure of the basic
operating system. MS concentrated on the tablet interface, and hid the
fact that there was the desktop interface.


That, actually, is a design failure on the interface not a marketing
failure.

PS: Marketing can't turn a product into something that it is not, or
perhaps, MS thought their marketing could.

On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 16:49:50 -0500, BillW50 wrote:

No nothing of the kind. Linux users are so dumb that don't even bother
to check for hackers at all. That is why it is so easy to hack into
Linux with banks, big business, etc. when they are using Linux. They are
so asleep and foolishly believe it can't happen to them.

True, and even if they know, they are not allowed to mention being
hacked because of trading restrictions. Any mention of a security
problem would bring the share price down.

Steve

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