Will WindozeUpdate still function for XP after April?

Sorry to barge in here and ask a question that must have been asked and
answered many times, but a cursory look at the last 100 posts doesn't
seem to contain my question. Which is -

Has Micro$oft said anything about keeping it's update/server operating
for some period of time beyond this April, so as to allow existing and
new installs of XP to access the complete library of patches and updates
after the official EOL date?

For a previous data point, Win-98 went EOL in June or July 2006, but
MacroShaft kept the WindowsUpdate service running and serving the
library of updates and patches for Win-98 for at least 2 more years.
Has there been any word what will happen with XP?

And even more - will new installs of XP still be activated by Milkro$oft
- and for how much longer?

Will MS force one final WGA update upon XP land next patch tuesday?

On Fri, 28 Mar 2014 21:30:00 -0400, XP Guy "XP"@Guy. com wrote:

Sorry to barge in here and ask a question that must have been asked and
answered many times, but a cursory look at the last 100 posts doesn't
seem to contain my question. Which is -

Has Micro$oft said anything about keeping it's update/server operating
for some period of time beyond this April, so as to allow existing and
new installs of XP to access the complete library of patches and updates
after the official EOL date?

For a previous data point, Win-98 went EOL in June or July 2006, but
MacroShaft kept the WindowsUpdate service running and serving the
library of updates and patches for Win-98 for at least 2 more years.
Has there been any word what will happen with XP?

And even more - will new installs of XP still be activated by Milkro$oft
- and for how much longer?

Will MS force one final WGA update upon XP land next patch tuesday?

The way I see it, on April 8, 2014, every computer using XP will stop
working. They wont even boot up, and if they are running at exactly
midnight when the time changes to April 8, the computers will simply
shut down for good. Attempting to boot them will only bring a message
on the screen that will say "BUY WINDOWS 8 NOW", and will provide a list
of retail stores that sell it. (With Walmart at the top of the list).

Of course, this whole thing might just be a delayed (one week late)
April Fool joke played by MS on everyone. Who knows, maybe Gates really
does have a sense of humor....

But just in case XP does continue to work, I'm sure someone will (or
has) downloaded every update from the MS site, and will make them
available to download (probably for a fee). But who is this person?
[IDENTIFY YOURSELF PLEASE]


In the meantime, my Win98 computer still works fine.....
I'm using it right now!

On 29/03/2014 01:30, XP Guy wrote:
Sorry to barge in here and ask a question that must have been asked and
answered many times, but a cursory look at the last 100 posts doesn't
seem to contain my question. Which is -

Has Micro$oft said anything about keeping it's update/server operating
for some period of time beyond this April, so as to allow existing and
new installs of XP to access the complete library of patches and updates
after the official EOL date?

For a previous data point, Win-98 went EOL in June or July 2006, but
MacroShaft kept the WindowsUpdate service running and serving the
library of updates and patches for Win-98 for at least 2 more years.
Has there been any word what will happen with XP?

And even more - will new installs of XP still be activated by Milkro$oft
- and for how much longer?

Will MS force one final WGA update upon XP land next patch tuesday?


As far as I know, nothing so extraordinary will happen on or after 8th
April. All that will happen is that Microsoft will stop wasting time
developing any more patches for Windows XP and Office 2003 because these
two products aren't producing any more revenues for it.

All old patches issued thus far will remain on the web for at least 1
year after 8th April 2014 because they can't pull the plug overnight to
remove all of them. It takes time to remove them.

What people should do is that on or just after 5th April 2014 (but
before 8th April) people should reformat the HD, install Windows XP with
SP3 and install all the patches automatically. Then take a fresh image
of the HD and store it in a safe place for future use. this way you have
all the patches released by MS and so you are protected up to certain
level.

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On Fri, 28 Mar 2014 21:30:00 -0400, XP Guy wrote:
Sorry to barge in here and ask a question that must have been asked and
answered many times, but a cursory look at the last 100 posts doesn't
seem to contain my question. Which is -

Has Micro$oft said anything about keeping it's update/server operating
for some period of time beyond this April, so as to allow existing and
new installs of XP to access the complete library of patches and updates
after the official EOL date?

For a previous data point, Win-98 went EOL in June or July 2006, but
MacroShaft kept the WindowsUpdate service running and serving the
library of updates and patches for Win-98 for at least 2 more years.
Has there been any word what will happen with XP?

And even more - will new installs of XP still be activated by Milkro$oft
- and for how much longer?

Will MS force one final WGA update upon XP land next patch tuesday?

This has been answered either in this or other Windows XP newsgroups.

When the support ends, there will be no more **NEW** update. i.e.: if a new
bug is found, Microsoft won't patch it. That's all. Everything else won't
change.

XP Guy" "XP wrote:
Sorry to barge in here and ask a question that must have been asked and
answered many times, but a cursory look at the last 100 posts doesn't
seem to contain my question. Which is -

Has Micro$oft said anything about keeping it's update/server operating
for some period of time beyond this April, so as to allow existing and
new installs of XP to access the complete library of patches and updates
after the official EOL date?

For a previous data point, Win-98 went EOL in June or July 2006, but
MacroShaft kept the WindowsUpdate service running and serving the
library of updates and patches for Win-98 for at least 2 more years.
Has there been any word what will happen with XP?

And even more - will new installs of XP still be activated by Milkro$oft
- and for how much longer?

Will MS force one final WGA update upon XP land next patch tuesday?

Well, if you're aka 98 Guy, you could just choose to stick with 98. :-)
I don't think anybody is forcing anybody to do anything, unless you feel the
need to have all the "updates". And afaik, after that date you won't be
able to get them from the MS servers. I think that's the point of the
notice, n'est pas?.

On Fri, 28 Mar 2014 20:55:45 -0500, wrote:

The way I see it, on April 8, 2014, every computer using XP will stop
working. They wont even boot up, and if they are running at exactly
midnight when the time changes to April 8, the computers will simply
shut down for good.


I'm not sure whether you man that as a joke or you really believe it.
Just in case it's the latter, let me assure you that it's completely
false.

XP Guy wrote:

Has Micro$oft said anything about keeping it's update/server
operating for some period of time beyond this April

So far, my fundamental questions have not been answered.

1) Has Milkro$oft published anything regarding how long they will be
keeping their update server on-line to provide the library of XP patches
and updates for anyone caring to download them?

2) Has Milkro$oft published anything regarding how long they will be
keeping their validation server running to perform on-line validation of
new installations of XP?

XP Guy wrote:
XP Guy wrote:

Has Micro$oft said anything about keeping it's update/server
operating for some period of time beyond this April

So far, my fundamental questions have not been answered.

1) Has Milkro$oft published anything regarding how long they will be
keeping their update server on-line to provide the library of XP patches
and updates for anyone caring to download them?

2) Has Milkro$oft published anything regarding how long they will be
keeping their validation server running to perform on-line validation of
new installations of XP?

There's no reason to think it will go away tomorrow. One of the
obligations on this page, lasts until the year 2020.

http://www.technibble.com/windows-xp...-need-to-know/

Microsoft don't want to state a date in as many words, in order
to avoid being sued for breach of contract. The only dates they
commit to, are the dates listed on the lifecycle web page. And
that covers security updates. If they name a date for the longevity
of any other services, then change their mind later, there would be
backlash. (And the only backlash that counts, is the backlash from
business users, as people signing big checks have a larger say.)

Paul

Paul wrote:
XP Guy wrote:
XP Guy wrote:

Has Micro$oft said anything about keeping it's update/server
operating for some period of time beyond this April

So far, my fundamental questions have not been answered.

1) Has Milkro$oft published anything regarding how long they will be
keeping their update server on-line to provide the library of XP patches
and updates for anyone caring to download them?

2) Has Milkro$oft published anything regarding how long they will be
keeping their validation server running to perform on-line validation of
new installations of XP?

There's no reason to think it will go away tomorrow. One of the
obligations on this page, lasts until the year 2020.

http://www.technibble.com/windows-xp...-need-to-know/

Microsoft don't want to state a date in as many words, in order
to avoid being sued for breach of contract. The only dates they
commit to, are the dates listed on the lifecycle web page. And
that covers security updates. If they name a date for the longevity
of any other services, then change their mind later, there would be
backlash. (And the only backlash that counts, is the backlash from
business users, as people signing big checks have a larger say.)

Paul

OK, and it says no NEW patches and security updates, which implies you can
still get the old ones, for who knows how long.

I found that article a bit "pro Windows 7" and beyond. Sure, it's true if
you insist on continually installing newer and newer security patches, you
will be forced out of XP (or if you actually need to have the latest cutting
edge software). But I just disagree with the assumed assessment of this as
being so essential for everyone. For example, how many coders are going to
want to write viruses and malware for such an old operating system now
anyway, when the masses (and market) are (seemingly) being forced to move to
later versions of Windows?

In message ,
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But just in case XP does continue to work, I'm sure someone will (or
has) downloaded every update from the MS site, and will make them
available to download (probably for a fee). But who is this person?
[IDENTIFY YOURSELF PLEASE]
[]
Look into wsusoffline. This is a utility someone has created (and is
still doing so - last time but one I ran it, it offered to update
itself) that collects all the downloads _from the Microsoft servers_,
including not bothering with the ones that have been superseded by other
ones. It does this (you can select any or all) for XP, 7, server2003,
and possibly other OSs, and also for various flavours of Office. It
will, optionally, make you an ISO (file you can put onto a DVD).

My wsusoffline folder is currently 2.65 GB; I've only got it set to
collect for XP and Office 2003, at the moment. That _looks_ like it'll
remain below a single-layer DVD by the time XP ends. I'm not sure what
it does if you select enough options that it won't fit on a DL DVD:
maybe you have to use a USB stick.

Note that it takes several hours to run, especially the first time (and
I expect the servers will become overloaded soon, though they're still
pretty quick at the moment).

How long will the servers remain turned on? Well, I've seen definite
statements that the _activation_ one will, and I _think_ I've seen
similar for the update ones, for some time after support ends. (Since
they're keeping the MSE one going for at least another year, even
putting new updates on it, I'd be surprised if either of the others gets
turned off before then.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

I'm the only person who won scholarships to both Eton and Wellington with a
mathematics score of nought. - Christopher Lee (1997).

In message , Bill in Co
writes:
XP Guy" "XP wrote:
Sorry to barge in here and ask a question that must have been asked and
answered many times, but a cursory look at the last 100 posts doesn't
seem to contain my question. Which is -

Has Micro$oft said anything about keeping it's update/server operating
for some period of time beyond this April, so as to allow existing and
new installs of XP to access the complete library of patches and updates
after the official EOL date?

For a previous data point, Win-98 went EOL in June or July 2006, but
MacroShaft kept the WindowsUpdate service running and serving the
library of updates and patches for Win-98 for at least 2 more years.
Has there been any word what will happen with XP?

And even more - will new installs of XP still be activated by Milkro$oft
- and for how much longer?

Will MS force one final WGA update upon XP land next patch tuesday?

Well, if you're aka 98 Guy, you could just choose to stick with 98. :-)
I don't think anybody is forcing anybody to do anything, unless you feel the
need to have all the "updates". And afaik, after that date you won't be
able to get them from the MS servers. I think that's the point of the
notice, n'est pas?.

Not quite: what they're stopping is any new enhancements or bugfixes: if
anyone finds any new bug, including security hole, it won't be fixed
after that date. Current consensus is that you'll still be able to get
already-created updates for some while at least.

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--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

I'm the only person who won scholarships to both Eton and Wellington with a
mathematics score of nought. - Christopher Lee (1997).

On Fri, 28 Mar 2014 20:15:12 -0600, "Bill in Co"
wrote:

XP Guy" "XP wrote:
Sorry to barge in here and ask a question that must have been asked and
answered many times, but a cursory look at the last 100 posts doesn't
seem to contain my question. Which is -

Has Micro$oft said anything about keeping it's update/server operating
for some period of time beyond this April, so as to allow existing and
new installs of XP to access the complete library of patches and updates
after the official EOL date?

For a previous data point, Win-98 went EOL in June or July 2006, but
MacroShaft kept the WindowsUpdate service running and serving the
library of updates and patches for Win-98 for at least 2 more years.
Has there been any word what will happen with XP?

And even more - will new installs of XP still be activated by Milkro$oft
- and for how much longer?

Will MS force one final WGA update upon XP land next patch tuesday?

Well, if you're aka 98 Guy, you could just choose to stick with 98. :-)
I don't think anybody is forcing anybody to do anything, unless you feel the
need to have all the "updates". And afaik, after that date you won't be
able to get them from the MS servers. I think that's the point of the
notice, n'est pas?.


No, I'm not that guy, but I've seen plenty of his posts in the 98
newsgroups over the years. But in all honesty, I LOVE WIN98. I think
it's the best OS made. But I'm being forced to upgrade at least for
internet use, becuase there are no web browsers that work properly
anymore in W98. That's the only reason. W98 does everything else I
need, and I can darn near run it with my eyes closed. I've never liked
XP all that well, but I have little choice now but to get used to using
it. There are not many alternatives. I did give linux a bit of a try,
and want no part of that messy thing. I have no interest in Viata, Win7
ot 8 either. I'm elderly, I like things simple. Almost all new
software is much too bloated with useless ****.

I WILL continue to use W98 for all my other needs, it's just that damn
browser issue. I only wish comeone would make a broswer that's
compatible with the latest bloated websites, and would run in W98.
New is NOT always better. In fact I think most things having to do with
computers were much better back in the late 90s. Using a computer was
simpler, and the websites back then were easier to use and didn't use
all those goddamn scripts that are the biggest downfall of the web these
days. Not to mention the excessive use of videos these days. I dont
need a 20 minute video showing some dude changing the starter in his
car, during which time he spends half that time showing how to open the
hood and which tools to take out of his toolbox. A one page step by
step text and photo site is 100 times easier to use, to help me change
my starter.

On Fri, 28 Mar 2014 20:17:15 -0700, "Ken Blake, MVP"
wrote:

On Fri, 28 Mar 2014 20:55:45 -0500, wrote:

The way I see it, on April 8, 2014, every computer using XP will stop
working. They wont even boot up, and if they are running at exactly
midnight when the time changes to April 8, the computers will simply
shut down for good.


I'm not sure whether you man that as a joke or you really believe it.
Just in case it's the latter, let me assure you that it's completely
false.

I dont really believe this, but I do believe the other story I heard.
On April 8, Bill Gates is going to go to every home and business in
America, and format the hard drive of anyone using XP. ...

Charlie+ wrote:

1) Has Milkro$oft published anything regarding how long they will
be keeping their update server on-line to provide the library of
XP patches and updates for anyone caring to download them?

2) Has Milkro$oft published anything regarding how long they will
be keeping their validation server running to perform on-line
validation of new installations of XP?

No and No

Fine. A straightforward, concise, honest answer.

and dont expect MS to answer these questions either, why should
they tie their own hands in any way by guessing into the future?

And a sycophantic answer from a Macro$haft appologist, covering for them
and explaining away their cowardly behavior in not deciding to carve a
date in stone regarding two very important aspects of the life cycle of
one of their products.

Really - there is no reason to defend Micro$haft in that manner.

You can at least admit that they are acting like cowards by not having
the balls to declare some sort of date for the ending of those 2
services.

There is precedent for the update server to no longer supply or be
functional for one or two of their products, as WindowsUpdate went dark
for win-98 I think 2 years after win98 EOL. I don't know what happened
for Win-2k in that regard - I presume that WindowsUpdate service no
longer functions for win2k - correct? But in any case, it came as a
surprise when the update service failed for win-98.

But there is -NO- precedent for Meekro$oft turning off its validation
server or failing to validate product keys, and I think it's cowardly
for such an organization to not announce publicly what their police is
or will be for such an important function, and anyone involved in IT
would be correct in expecting to see such a policy in writing.

On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 09:20:09 -0400, XP Guy "XP"@Guy. com wrote:

There is precedent for the update server to no longer supply or be
functional for one or two of their products, as WindowsUpdate went dark
for win-98 I think 2 years after win98 EOL. I don't know what happened
for Win-2k in that regard - I presume that WindowsUpdate service no
longer functions for win2k - correct? But in any case, it came as a
surprise when the update service failed for win-98.

But there is -NO- precedent for Meekro$oft turning off its validation
server or failing to validate product keys, and I think it's cowardly
for such an organization to not announce publicly what their police is
or will be for such an important function, and anyone involved in IT
would be correct in expecting to see such a policy in writing.

What I dont understand why MS has to remove the updates from their
server at all. It's one thing to stop creating upgrades for XP, or
Win98 or others, but what's the big deal about keeping all the current
stuff on their site? With the low price of Hard drives these days, it
surely dont cost them much. They should have all the updates for EVERY
one of their older OSs.

It's amazing that MS cant keep 20 or 50gigs of outdated support and
downloads on their site, yet there are sites like Facebook that store
many terabytes (or larger) of mostly useless **** on their sites. And
Facebook is far more dangerous than MS will ever be. The last time I
checked, I think I have close to 100 entries in my HOSTS file to block
them, since they have infiltrated almost every website on earth, and can
track any or every user they want without those blocks. Firefox even
has an extension now, called Facebookblocker, to block them,

Compared to Facebook, Microsoft looks like an angel. I've never worried
about downloading anything from MS, but I do everything possible to stay
as far away from FB as I can, including not using their privacy invading
worthless site. FB was designed for idiots who will do anything to get
a minute of "Fame", by having their photo posted online. Few people are
even aware how dangerous FB really is. MS wants our money, and does
things to force us to upgrade to their (not always favorable) newer OSs,
but they are clean and safe compared to FB, and some other sites....