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  #16  
Old March 29th 14, 08:57 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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wrote:
On Fri, 28 Mar 2014 20:15:12 -0600, "Bill in Co"
wrote:

XP Guy" "XP wrote:
Sorry to barge in here and ask a question that must have been asked and
answered many times, but a cursory look at the last 100 posts doesn't
seem to contain my question. Which is -

Has Micro$oft said anything about keeping it's update/server operating
for some period of time beyond this April, so as to allow existing and
new installs of XP to access the complete library of patches and updates
after the official EOL date?

For a previous data point, Win-98 went EOL in June or July 2006, but
MacroShaft kept the WindowsUpdate service running and serving the
library of updates and patches for Win-98 for at least 2 more years.
Has there been any word what will happen with XP?

And even more - will new installs of XP still be activated by Milkro$oft
- and for how much longer?

Will MS force one final WGA update upon XP land next patch tuesday?


Well, if you're aka 98 Guy, you could just choose to stick with 98. :-)
I don't think anybody is forcing anybody to do anything, unless you feel
the
need to have all the "updates". And afaik, after that date you won't be
able to get them from the MS servers. I think that's the point of the
notice, n'est pas?.


No, I'm not that guy, but I've seen plenty of his posts in the 98
newsgroups over the years. But in all honesty, I LOVE WIN98. I think
it's the best OS made. But I'm being forced to upgrade at least for
internet use, becuase there are no web browsers that work properly
anymore in W98. That's the only reason. W98 does everything else I
need, and I can darn near run it with my eyes closed. I've never liked
XP all that well, but I have little choice now but to get used to using
it. There are not many alternatives. I did give linux a bit of a try,
and want no part of that messy thing. I have no interest in Vista, Win7
ot 8 either. I'm elderly, I like things simple. Almost all new
software is much too bloated with useless ****.

I WILL continue to use W98 for all my other needs, it's just that damn
browser issue. I only wish comeone would make a broswer that's
compatible with the latest bloated websites, and would run in W98.
New is NOT always better. In fact I think most things having to do with
computers were much better back in the late 90s. Using a computer was
simpler, and the websites back then were easier to use and didn't use
all those goddamn scripts that are the biggest downfall of the web these
days. Not to mention the excessive use of videos these days. I dont
need a 20 minute video showing some dude changing the starter in his
car, during which time he spends half that time showing how to open the
hood and which tools to take out of his toolbox. A one page step by
step text and photo site is 100 times easier to use, to help me change
my starter.


I am reminded of the Dylan song phrase, "the times, they-are-a-changin".
:-)
And not necessarily for the better. I'm with you on a lot of your points,
and have similar sentiments. But I hope you will someday come to like XP a
bit better, as I finally did. I'm not sure which things about XP stilll are
so off putting for you, though, and maybe there are some workarounds for
that. One thing I did was replace the Windows File Search with Agent
Ransack, for example.

I like thing simple too. "Less is More" is often my maxim. :-)


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Old March 29th 14, 09:03 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Bill in Co
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J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Bill in Co
writes:
XP Guy" "XP wrote:
Sorry to barge in here and ask a question that must have been asked and
answered many times, but a cursory look at the last 100 posts doesn't
seem to contain my question. Which is -

Has Micro$oft said anything about keeping it's update/server operating
for some period of time beyond this April, so as to allow existing and
new installs of XP to access the complete library of patches and updates
after the official EOL date?

For a previous data point, Win-98 went EOL in June or July 2006, but
MacroShaft kept the WindowsUpdate service running and serving the
library of updates and patches for Win-98 for at least 2 more years.
Has there been any word what will happen with XP?

And even more - will new installs of XP still be activated by Milkro$oft
- and for how much longer?

Will MS force one final WGA update upon XP land next patch tuesday?


Well, if you're aka 98 Guy, you could just choose to stick with 98. :-)
I don't think anybody is forcing anybody to do anything, unless you feel
the
need to have all the "updates". And afaik, after that date you won't be
able to get them from the MS servers. I think that's the point of the
notice, n'est pas?.

Not quite: what they're stopping is any new enhancements or bugfixes: if
anyone finds any new bug, including security hole, it won't be fixed
after that date. Current consensus is that you'll still be able to get
already-created updates for some while at least.


Yeah, I got that after reading that one article, so thanks for the
correction.

Maybe someday someone could put all the patches together on a convenient DVD
and make it available for a nominal fee, although I expect this might be
problematic due to legal reasons, unfortunately. (it would only contain all
the updates and patches, and could refuse to install if one didn't already
have a copy of XP on their system)


  #18  
Old March 30th 14, 12:31 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 13:57:15 -0600, "Bill in Co"
wrote:

I am reminded of the Dylan song phrase, "the times, they-are-a-changin".
:-)
And not necessarily for the better. I'm with you on a lot of your points,
and have similar sentiments. But I hope you will someday come to like XP a
bit better, as I finally did. I'm not sure which things about XP stilll are
so off putting for you, though, and maybe there are some workarounds for
that. One thing I did was replace the Windows File Search with Agent
Ransack, for example.

I like thing simple too. "Less is More" is often my maxim. :-)


The main thing I DONT like about XP is all the useless clutter. I set
it to Classic mode, yet when I click on any drive letter in My Computer,
I get all this crap on the left like Tasks, Folders, whatever. I dont
have that computer turned on right now, but to me stuff like that is
very distracting. I like a plain list of files and nothing more, (like
I get in W98). There are other similar things, but I cant think of them
now. I've tried all day to make those drive letters open as a simple
list of files adn folders and have no idea how. W98 was simple, which
is how I like things. W2K was not too bad, but XP has far too much
bloated crap. It's not easy to get rid of much of it either.

It's just like the software I use, most of it goes back to the late 90s
and early 00s. For example, Paint Shop Pro. I like version 3.x best.
That's really old. The new vers load real slow because they install all
sorts of extra stuff, and are too complicated to use. And I'm quite
good at graphic editing, given a SIMPLE program.


  #19  
Old March 30th 14, 02:46 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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wrote:
On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 13:57:15 -0600, "Bill in Co"
wrote:

I am reminded of the Dylan song phrase, "the times, they-are-a-changin".
:-)
And not necessarily for the better. I'm with you on a lot of your
points,
and have similar sentiments. But I hope you will someday come to like XP
a bit better, as I finally did. I'm not sure which things about XP

stilll are
so off putting for you, though, and maybe there are some workarounds for
that. One thing I did was replace the Windows File Search with Agent
Ransack, for example.

I like thing simple too. "Less is More" is often my maxim. :-)


The main thing I DONT like about XP is all the useless clutter. I set
it to Classic mode, yet when I click on any drive letter in My Computer,
I get all this crap on the left like Tasks, Folders, whatever. I dont
have that computer turned on right now, but to me stuff like that is
very distracting. I like a plain list of files and nothing more, (like
I get in W98).


Just click on Windows Explorer. I rarely need to click on My Computer.

There are other similar things, but I cant think of them
now. I've tried all day to make those drive letters open as a simple
list of files adn folders and have no idea how. W98 was simple, which
is how I like things. W2K was not too bad, but XP has far too much
bloated crap. It's not easy to get rid of much of it either.


XP is admitedly more bloated than Win98SE. But at least compared to all the
succeeding editions of Windows, it's still relatively light. :-)

It's just like the software I use, most of it goes back to the late 90s
and early 00s. For example, Paint Shop Pro. I like version 3.x best.
That's really old. The new vers load real slow because they install all
sorts of extra stuff, and are too complicated to use. And I'm quite
good at graphic editing, given a SIMPLE program.


Same here on a lot of the software. And I still use Paint Shop Pro too,
although not quite as far back as version 3 (I'm up to version 7 and have
stopped there, chiefly because at least that edition allowed me to add some
useful simple restoration plug-ins).

I've briefly looked at Adobe Photoshop, running on someone else's computer,
and it's way overkill for what I need. If you want to talk about bloated,
some of the Adobe apps like that one really take the cake. But like you, I
generally like the older editions of many software packages - older, before
they added all the extra crapola.


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Old March 30th 14, 04:06 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 19:46:37 -0600, "Bill in Co"
wrote:

I've briefly looked at Adobe Photoshop, running on someone else's computer,
and it's way overkill for what I need. If you want to talk about bloated,
some of the Adobe apps like that one really take the cake. But like you, I
generally like the older editions of many software packages - older, before
they added all the extra crapola.


I have Photoshop 5. The only reason I have that is because I bought it
at a garage sale for a buck or two. That goes back to 1998 or so. To
me, that thing is too bloated. I rarely use it. I like Paint Shop pro
better. I'd hate to see all the crap added to Photoshop now. The way I
figure it, the only reason they add all that stuff, is because there is
nothing else to upgrade, and they want to keep selling the product.

It seems the young generation wants every bell and whistle, in
everything. They buy a new cellphone everytime there's a new version.
But I've seen a lot of them not know how to use most of the features.

This reminds me of some years ago, I was in the construction business.
Some guy wanted to build a bedroom in his unfinished attic. He went out
and bought an air compressor and several air powered nail guns and other
tools. Then he went to work, only to find that the compressor would run
out of air about every ten nails, so he returned the compressor and
bought a real big one. But it was too heavy to carry to the attic. So
he put it in his garage, ran about 150 feet of air hose to the attic,
but the compressor kept blowing breakers in the garage, and every 10
minutes he had to go downstairs to the garage to reset the breaker. So,
he rewired the garage. By now, he's 3 months behind on the attic
bedroom, he spent thousands of dollars on the tools and garage wiring,
and he finally goes to use all this stuff, and shoots a air-nail in his
hand.

I knew the guy, I had seen this all going on, and many times I told him
to just use a plain hammer. Nope, he needed all these gadgets. The
funny part is that I was in business doing construction and still used a
hammer, but this guy buys al this stuff just to build a small room.

So, abiout this time, the preson who was supposed to move into that
bedroom comes home from college, and no bedroom. That's when he called
me to come build the bedroom for him. He hands me all these air tools,
and I find them a pain in the ass to use. The big nailer either drove
the nails right thru a 2x4, or they did not go in far enough. That
means running down to the garage 20 or more times to adjust the air
pressure. A full day was wasted with that.

I finally grabbed my hammer and began building it by hand, but all he
had were those air nails. I told him to go buy some regular nails, but
he refused. He said he spent too much on the job already and cant
afford to buy more nails. Plus, he said he INSISTS that I use the air
tools. That's when I got real fed up wit hthe whoel thing, and also
knew I was not gonna get paid either, so I told him I was too busy to
help him with that job for at least a month, and to find someone else.
I later heard he hired some illegals (from mexico), to do the job and
they really made a mess of it, but did build something that looked like
a bedroom none the less.
  #21  
Old March 30th 14, 07:46 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support,microsoft.public.windowsxp.setup_deployment
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On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 09:20:09 -0400, XP Guy wrote:
There is precedent for the update server to no longer supply or be
functional for one or two of their products, as WindowsUpdate went dark
for win-98 I think 2 years after win98 EOL. I don't know what happened
for Win-2k in that regard - I presume that WindowsUpdate service no
longer functions for win2k - correct? But in any case, it came as a
surprise when the update service failed for win-98.


I've read a new post somewhere in Windows XP newsgroup a few months ago. One
Windows 2000 user said that the auto update server is still working.

Even if the Windows XP auto update server has stopped working, you can still
do a manual update. Microsoft already provide a DVD ISO that contains
security updates up until March 11th 2014.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/913086

Newer updates if any, won't be that many and troublesome for manual
downloads.
  #23  
Old March 31st 14, 02:03 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 12:03:08 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message ,
writes:
[]
I dont really believe this, but I do believe the other story I heard.
On April 8, Bill Gates is going to go to every home and business in
America, and format the hard drive of anyone using XP. ...

OK by me - I'm not in America ... (-:


He'll do America on April 8, Europe on April 9, and so on..... He'll
get you too......

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Old April 1st 14, 12:34 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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In message ,
writes:
On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 13:57:15 -0600, "Bill in Co"
wrote:

[]
bit better, as I finally did. I'm not sure which things about XP stilll are
so off putting for you, though, and maybe there are some workarounds for
that. One thing I did was replace the Windows File Search with Agent
Ransack, for example.

I like thing simple too. "Less is More" is often my maxim. :-)


The main thing I DONT like about XP is all the useless clutter. I set
it to Classic mode, yet when I click on any drive letter in My Computer,
I get all this crap on the left like Tasks, Folders, whatever. I dont


1. Click the "folders" button in your toolbar (the row of icons below
"File Edit ...") to turn the left pane back to a tree view. If you don't
have a folders button, right-click in an empty part of the toolbar,
choose Customise, and add it.

2. Make shortcuts with target lines like
%windir%\explorer.exe /e, D:\
- this will always open (D:\ in this case) with the tree pane on the
left.

3. When given a choice, always choose "Explore" rather than "Open". (You
aren't always offered the choice.)
[]
It's just like the software I use, most of it goes back to the late 90s
and early 00s. For example, Paint Shop Pro. I like version 3.x best.
That's really old. The new vers load real slow because they install all
sorts of extra stuff, and are too complicated to use. And I'm quite
good at graphic editing, given a SIMPLE program.

I know someone who still uses CorelDraw 3. I used to use Paint Shop Pro
for its clone brush feature, and always used an earlier version - either
5 or 6, I can't remember - only using 6 (or 7) on the rare occasions
when I had an image too big for the earlier version to open. But since
IrfanView gained a clone brush (as part of the Paint toolbox that was
added so quietly that it was some IV editions before I realised it was
there!), I haven't opened PSP for years (not even sure I've got it on
here).

2
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Old April 1st 14, 09:03 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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On Tue, 1 Apr 2014 00:34:33 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:


1. Click the "folders" button in your toolbar (the row of icons below
"File Edit ...") to turn the left pane back to a tree view. If you don't
have a folders button, right-click in an empty part of the toolbar,
choose Customise, and add it.

2. Make shortcuts with target lines like
%windir%\explorer.exe /e, D:\
- this will always open (D:\ in this case) with the tree pane on the
left.

3. When given a choice, always choose "Explore" rather than "Open". (You
aren't always offered the choice.)
[]


Thanks - This does work, but what I really want to do is completely
remove that left part. Again, it's just more screen clutter. I'm used
to just seeing the RIGHT PANE (list of files and folders), when I am
using Win98. And for that matter, my other XP computer does not view
this way, (which has a Fat32 format). Is this a NTFS specific view?

It's just like the software I use, most of it goes back to the late 90s
and early 00s. For example, Paint Shop Pro. I like version 3.x best.
That's really old. The new vers load real slow because they install all
sorts of extra stuff, and are too complicated to use. And I'm quite
good at graphic editing, given a SIMPLE program.

I know someone who still uses CorelDraw 3. I used to use Paint Shop Pro
for its clone brush feature, and always used an earlier version - either
5 or 6, I can't remember - only using 6 (or 7) on the rare occasions
when I had an image too big for the earlier version to open. But since
IrfanView gained a clone brush (as part of the Paint toolbox that was
added so quietly that it was some IV editions before I realised it was
there!), I haven't opened PSP for years (not even sure I've got it on
here).

2


I remember Corel Draw, I had it installed on Windows 3. I neevr used it
much, even back then I liked PSP.

I never knew IrfanView was a picture editor. I thought it was just a
picture viewer.

For viewing, I'm still using AcdSee 2.x which came out about the same
time Win98 did. I'm still running the same installation of Win98 that I
installed in 98 or 99, so much of the software is the same. If it
works, I dont upgrade. I do recall trying a newer version and remember
the newer versions are bloated and take too long to load.


  #27  
Old April 12th 14, 01:14 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support,microsoft.public.windowsxp.setup_deployment
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Default How long Will WindozeUpdate and license validation function for XP after April?

JJ wrote:
On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 09:20:09 -0400, XP Guy wrote:
There is precedent for the update server to no longer supply or be
functional for one or two of their products, as WindowsUpdate went
dark for win-98 I think 2 years after win98 EOL. I don't know what
happened for Win-2k in that regard - I presume that WindowsUpdate
service no longer functions for win2k - correct? But in any case,
it came as a surprise when the update service failed for win-98.


I've read a new post somewhere in Windows XP newsgroup a few months
ago. One Windows 2000 user said that the auto update server is still
working.

Even if the Windows XP auto update server has stopped working, you
can still do a manual update. Microsoft already provide a DVD ISO
that contains security updates up until March 11th 2014.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/913086

Newer updates if any, won't be that many and troublesome for manual
downloads.


It appears to me looking at that site that the ISO only contains the updates
released that month. Do you know otherwise?



  #28  
Old April 12th 14, 08:38 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support,microsoft.public.windowsxp.setup_deployment
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Default How long Will WindozeUpdate and license validation function forXP after April?

On 30/03/2014 07:46, JJ wrote:

Even if the Windows XP auto update server has stopped working, you can still
do a manual update. Microsoft already provide a DVD ISO that contains
security updates up until March 11th 2014.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/913086

Newer updates if any, won't be that many and troublesome for manual
downloads.



You mean to say ISOs for monthly updates. They are not cumulative so
you need to download all the ISOs since SP3 was released.

If anybody continues to insist using XP then updates are of no relevance
because any time after May 2014, the XP machines would be a weak-link
anyway because no new updates would be released for it.


  #29  
Old April 13th 14, 12:37 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support,microsoft.public.windowsxp.setup_deployment
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Good Guy wrote:

any time after May 2014 the XP machines would be a weak-link
anyway because no new updates would be released for it.


Aside from being tricked into clicking on a spam attachment and running
trojan-dropper code, it's probably been the case for a few years now
that the average home and soho XP system is hacked via a vulnerability
in some Adobe product (flash or acrobat) or a vulnerability in the
browser (Firefox, chrome, etc).

For XP users that use primarily IE, then yes, WindozeUpdate fixes for IE
are useful.

But for XP users that don't touch IE but use some other browser, then
it's not likely that any Windozeupdates to come down the pipe over the
last couple of years has actually patched a vulnerability that would
have been of any benefit to that system.

In other words, IE patches aside, WindozeUpdates for XP is largely
irrelavent and has been for the past 2 or 3 years, because the typical
home/soho system is hacked either by running a malicious spam attachment
or through a weakness in a Mozilla or Adobe product.
  #30  
Old April 13th 14, 12:39 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support,microsoft.public.windowsxp.setup_deployment
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XP Guy wrote:

In other words, IE patches aside, WindozeUpdates for XP is largely
irrelavent and has been for the past 2 or 3 years, because the typical
home/soho system is hacked either by running a malicious spam attachment
or through a weakness in a Mozilla or Adobe product.


Add Sun (Oriface) Java to that relatively short list.
 




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