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Old August 14th 14, 12:35 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Bill Cunningham[_2_]
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I know this is about XP and I have XP x64 Pro edition. I would like to
create a small partition to install win98se onto for fun and nostalgia

But when I put that old disk into my XP's DVD-RW I can't do anything
with it. Does anyone know anything about this kind of thing? I how this is
on topic.

Thanks

Bill


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Old August 14th 14, 12:45 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
BillW50
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On 8/13/2014 6:35 PM, Bill Cunningham wrote:
I know this is about XP and I have XP x64 Pro edition. I would like to
create a small partition to install win98se onto for fun and nostalgia

But when I put that old disk into my XP's DVD-RW I can't do anything
with it. Does anyone know anything about this kind of thing? I how this is
on topic.

Thanks


Hi Bill, Windows 98SE needs a FAT partition I believe. Did you set up a
FAT partition for it? It might also need that partition being within the
first 120GB of the drive. Setting up dualboot is indeed possible, but
the installer will likely setup it up all wrong if you install an older
Windows version last. But it is indeed fixable.

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Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 4GB - Windows XP SP2
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Old August 14th 14, 01:02 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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"BillW50" wrote in message
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Hi Bill, Windows 98SE needs a FAT partition I believe. Did you set up a
FAT partition for it? It might also need that partition being within the
first 120GB of the drive. Setting up dualboot is indeed possible, but the
installer will likely setup it up all wrong if you install an older
Windows version last. But it is indeed fixable.


The thing is installing XP as a fresh install will absolutely not let me
format c: with FAT32. It will only let me format with NTFS. I have another
partinio that is FAT32. I don't know what MS has against fat32 now, ntfs is
fine but I like fat32 too. And it's more universal. Which OS has to be
installed first? I can't reformat a mounted partition either of course.

Bill


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Old August 14th 14, 01:20 AM posted to alt.comp.freeware,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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"Bill Cunningham" wrote in message
...
I know this is about XP and I have XP x64 Pro edition. I would like to
create a small partition to install win98se onto for fun and nostalgia
But when I put that old disk into my XP's DVD-RW I can't do anything
with it. Does anyone know anything about this kind of thing? I how this is
on topic.
Thanks



Bill
That old School
Use This This

Virtual PC 2007
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/downl...s.aspx?id=4580

It Supported your Operating System
Or
https://www.virtualbox.org

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Old August 14th 14, 02:12 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
BillW50
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On 8/13/2014 7:02 PM, Bill Cunningham wrote:
"BillW50" wrote in message
...

Hi Bill, Windows 98SE needs a FAT partition I believe. Did you set up a
FAT partition for it? It might also need that partition being within the
first 120GB of the drive. Setting up dualboot is indeed possible, but the
installer will likely setup it up all wrong if you install an older
Windows version last. But it is indeed fixable.


The thing is installing XP as a fresh install will absolutely not let me
format c: with FAT32. It will only let me format with NTFS. I have another
partinio that is FAT32. I don't know what MS has against fat32 now, ntfs is
fine but I like fat32 too. And it's more universal. Which OS has to be
installed first? I can't reformat a mounted partition either of course.


XP install should let you use either FAT or NTFS as long as the
partition is 32GB or smaller if I recall correctly. Any larger and it
will only install using NTFS. There are utilities that will convert from
NTFS to FAT32 anyway, so no big deal. And if you install Windows 98SE
first, dualboot should work just fine.

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Old August 14th 14, 02:12 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Bill in Co
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Bill Cunningham wrote:
"BillW50" wrote in message
...

Hi Bill, Windows 98SE needs a FAT partition I believe. Did you set up a
FAT partition for it? It might also need that partition being within the
first 120GB of the drive. Setting up dualboot is indeed possible, but the
installer will likely setup it up all wrong if you install an older
Windows version last. But it is indeed fixable.


The thing is installing XP as a fresh install will absolutely not let
me
format c: with FAT32. It will only let me format with NTFS. I have another
partinio that is FAT32. I don't know what MS has against fat32 now, ntfs
is
fine but I like fat32 too. And it's more universal. Which OS has to be
installed first? I can't reformat a mounted partition either of course.

Bill


I think the general best advice is that the OLDER OS gets installed first
(Win98SE), and that has to be on a FAT32 partition. Then install WinXP
(preferably on an NTFS partition). But I'll let others weigh in here.


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Old August 14th 14, 04:32 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Jon Danniken[_6_]
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On 08/13/2014 04:35 PM, Bill Cunningham wrote:
I know this is about XP and I have XP x64 Pro edition. I would like to
create a small partition to install win98se onto for fun and nostalgia

But when I put that old disk into my XP's DVD-RW I can't do anything
with it. Does anyone know anything about this kind of thing? I how this is
on topic.


If it was me, I would install VirtualBox and install it in there. It's
a great place to test all types of different operating systems, from
Windows to Linux, and even Macintosh.

Jon

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Old August 14th 14, 04:35 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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"BillW50" wrote in message
...
On 8/13/2014 6:35 PM, Bill Cunningham wrote:
I know this is about XP and I have XP x64 Pro edition. I would like
to
create a small partition to install win98se onto for fun and nostalgia

But when I put that old disk into my XP's DVD-RW I can't do anything
with it. Does anyone know anything about this kind of thing? I how this
is
on topic.

Thanks


Hi Bill, Windows 98SE needs a FAT partition I believe. Did you set up a
FAT partition for it? It might also need that partition being within the
first 120GB of the drive. Setting up dualboot is indeed possible, but the
installer will likely setup it up all wrong if you install an older
Windows version last. But it is indeed fixable.


True But his pc to new a 64 bit os
and his Ram will be to Big too

But Windows 98 will run good on a
Microsoft Virtual PC 2007.

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Old August 14th 14, 05:33 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Bill Cunningham[_2_]
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"BillW50" wrote in message
...

XP install should let you use either FAT or NTFS as long as the partition
is 32GB or smaller if I recall correctly. Any larger and it will only
install using NTFS. There are utilities that will convert from NTFS to
FAT32 anyway, so no big deal. And if you install Windows 98SE first,
dualboot should work just fine.


Humm. I have one partiion about 200GB. Maybe that's it then. And does
this 32G or less partition have to be at the beginning on the drive? Or can
it be the 2nd or 3rd primary partition?

Bill


  #10  
Old August 14th 14, 05:55 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Bill Cunningham[_2_]
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"Hot-Text" wrote in message
...
"BillW50" wrote in message
...
On 8/13/2014 6:35 PM, Bill Cunningham wrote:
I know this is about XP and I have XP x64 Pro edition. I would like
to
create a small partition to install win98se onto for fun and nostalgia

But when I put that old disk into my XP's DVD-RW I can't do anything
with it. Does anyone know anything about this kind of thing? I how this
is
on topic.

Thanks


Hi Bill, Windows 98SE needs a FAT partition I believe. Did you set up a
FAT partition for it? It might also need that partition being within the
first 120GB of the drive. Setting up dualboot is indeed possible, but the
installer will likely setup it up all wrong if you install an older
Windows version last. But it is indeed fixable.


True But his pc to new a 64 bit os
and his Ram will be to Big too

But Windows 98 will run good on a
Microsoft Virtual PC 2007.

Too much memory? Do you mean win98se wouldn't be able to manage today's
memory? I agree. But it should work. And what's 64 bit processor registers
got to do with anything? It should still run.

Bill


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Old August 14th 14, 08:15 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Hot-Text
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"Bill Cunningham" wrote in message
...

"Hot-Text" wrote in message
...
"BillW50" wrote in message
...
On 8/13/2014 6:35 PM, Bill Cunningham wrote:
I know this is about XP and I have XP x64 Pro edition. I would like
to
create a small partition to install win98se onto for fun and nostalgia


But when I put that old disk into my XP's DVD-RW I can't do
anything
with it. Does anyone know anything about this kind of thing? I how this
is
on topic.

Thanks


Hi Bill, Windows 98SE needs a FAT partition I believe. Did you set up a
FAT partition for it? It might also need that partition being within the
first 120GB of the drive. Setting up dualboot is indeed possible, but the
installer will likely setup it up all wrong if you install an older
Windows version last. But it is indeed fixable.


True But his pc to new a 64 bit os
and his Ram will be to Big too

But Windows 98 will run good on a
Microsoft Virtual PC 2007.

Too much memory? Do you mean win98se wouldn't be able to manage today's
memory? I agree. But it should work. And what's 64 bit processor registers
got to do with anything? It should still run.



Bill

It make a Virtual FAT 32 partition
and you can setup to use 64 to 128 mb Ram

I run windows 98 in a Microsoft Virtual PC 2007
on a 32 and a 64

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/downl...s.aspx?id=4580

If you need help setting up
we here for you

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Old August 14th 14, 03:04 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Ken Blake, MVP[_4_]
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On Thu, 14 Aug 2014 00:33:29 -0400, "Bill Cunningham"
wrote:


"BillW50" wrote in message
...

XP install should let you use either FAT or NTFS as long as the partition
is 32GB or smaller if I recall correctly. Any larger and it will only
install using NTFS. There are utilities that will convert from NTFS to
FAT32 anyway, so no big deal. And if you install Windows 98SE first,
dualboot should work just fine.


Humm. I have one partiion about 200GB. Maybe that's it then. And does
this 32G or less partition have to be at the beginning on the drive? Or can
it be the 2nd or 3rd primary partition?




The message you are replying to is *not* correct. XP cannot *create* a
FAT32 partition larger than 32GB. But it will happily use one if it
was created by other software.

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Old August 14th 14, 03:25 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul
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Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Thu, 14 Aug 2014 00:33:29 -0400, "Bill Cunningham"
wrote:

"BillW50" wrote in message
...

XP install should let you use either FAT or NTFS as long as the partition
is 32GB or smaller if I recall correctly. Any larger and it will only
install using NTFS. There are utilities that will convert from NTFS to
FAT32 anyway, so no big deal. And if you install Windows 98SE first,
dualboot should work just fine.

Humm. I have one partiion about 200GB. Maybe that's it then. And does
this 32G or less partition have to be at the beginning on the drive? Or can
it be the 2nd or 3rd primary partition?




The message you are replying to is *not* correct. XP cannot *create* a
FAT32 partition larger than 32GB. But it will happily use one if it
was created by other software.


What does "happily use" mean exactly ?

My WinXP sits on a 72GB FAT32 partition.

http://i59.tinypic.com/jayhp3.gif

I could make it bigger, but why bother ? You can
see it's only got 26GB on it right now.

If you want to make big FAT32, try this. Fat32formatter.

http://www.ridgecrop.demon.co.uk/ind...at32format.htm

And that tool in fact, is exactly how an empty 72GB FAT32
partition was made, then files were Robocopied over.
Followed by a "fixboot" to restore the PBR. I could just
as easily have used Partition Magic.

Is FAT32 "efficient" on a 2TB partition ? Not really. But if you
want to run volumes a hair over 32GB, no problem with that.
You can see it works. With the 4GB individual file size limit
on FAT32, it doesn't make a lot of sense for me to store
everything on it. For example, my 30GB Virtual Machines have
to live on an NTFS data partition. I have a Ubuntu which is
that big.

I keep the OS portion small, so the backup takes ten minutes.

Paul
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Old August 14th 14, 03:33 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Ken Blake, MVP[_4_]
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On Thu, 14 Aug 2014 10:25:52 -0400, Paul wrote:

Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Thu, 14 Aug 2014 00:33:29 -0400, "Bill Cunningham"
wrote:

"BillW50" wrote in message
...

XP install should let you use either FAT or NTFS as long as the partition
is 32GB or smaller if I recall correctly. Any larger and it will only
install using NTFS. There are utilities that will convert from NTFS to
FAT32 anyway, so no big deal. And if you install Windows 98SE first,
dualboot should work just fine.
Humm. I have one partiion about 200GB. Maybe that's it then. And does
this 32G or less partition have to be at the beginning on the drive? Or can
it be the 2nd or 3rd primary partition?




The message you are replying to is *not* correct. XP cannot *create* a
FAT32 partition larger than 32GB. But it will happily use one if it
was created by other software.


What does "happily use" mean exactly ?



Just a figure of speech. I mean that it has no problems using it.


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Old August 14th 14, 03:58 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
BillW50
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On 8/14/2014 9:25 AM, Paul wrote:
[...]
I keep the OS portion small, so the backup takes ten minutes.


I never understood why people can't backup just the OS regardless if it
lives on a separate partition or not. What kind of poor backup software
are people using that doesn't allow backing up by path(s)? I've been
backing up by paths since the 90's at least. There is no need to backup
by partition unless you are just not very bright and just don't know how
to do anything else.

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Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 4GB - Windows XP SP2
 




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