Unable to create a bootable rescue disk:

Mark Twain wrote:
Hello Paul,

I restarted the computer and the nag
icon is gone.

So all looks good.


Robert

Don't forget to do the "Hide the update"
step in the article.

Otherwise, it *will* come back. It doesn't
take No for an answer.

Paul

Hello Paul,

I went into Windows Update and uninstalled the
KB3035583 update then installed (3) optional
updates.

Robert

Hello Paul,

I seem to remember you telling me
it wasn't a good idea to have different
Administrator/User Account names on the
computers.

Is this for ease of file sharing etc?

Thanks
Robert

Mark Twain wrote:
Hello Paul,

I seem to remember you telling me
it wasn't a good idea to have different
Administrator/User Account names on the
computers.

Is this for ease of file sharing etc?

Thanks
Robert


The conventional wisdom is, if you're "Robert" on
the 8200, you should have a "Robert" account on
the 8500.

I don't understand what the file sharing is doing
with information like that. Whether it actually
tries to log in on the foreign machine, with the
same credentials as on the local machine. Or why
that would be important.

I use the same account on my OS installations here,
for the most part.

I've also had different results with the various
OSes. I'm more likely to be prompted for a username
and password, when contacting the newer OSes. Some of
the older stuff, "just works" when I use it. Instant
access.

I don't really know a lot about file sharing, except
how frustrating it can be at times.

Paul

So it's just a good thing to do. Next
time I logon to the 8200 I change the
names.

I have another question while were
waiting for the CD's.

I installed Adobe Flash Player on the
8200 but I don't see it in the program
list to execute it.

I know I have it because I checked the
Add/Remove listings and it was there. I
even tracked the file down but I could
see no exe file but I nevertheless tried
all of them without success.

So my question is, how do I get Adobe
Flash Player to run.

Thanks,
Robert

Mark Twain wrote:
So it's just a good thing to do. Next
time I logon to the 8200 I change the
names.

I have another question while were
waiting for the CD's.

I installed Adobe Flash Player on the
8200 but I don't see it in the program
list to execute it.

I know I have it because I checked the
Add/Remove listings and it was there. I
even tracked the file down but I could
see no exe file but I nevertheless tried
all of them without success.

So my question is, how do I get Adobe
Flash Player to run.

Thanks,
Robert

On WinXP, you could look in:

C:\WINDOWS\system32\Macromed\Flash

But that seems to be mostly "plugins" for
web browsers.

Adobe used to make a StandAlone EXE file,
which was a "Flash Player" in the same sense
as a Movie Player. But the copies of that
I've got, I could never find any good
content that would actually play in there.
It seemed I could play some Shockwave animations
in there, but I was having real problems with
getting a movie to play.

I seem to remember, that thing worked a *lot*
better at one time. The modern versions seemed
to be a shadow of their former selves. And
the latest archive ZIP I could find, it
was missing.

Your browser plays Flash, and that seems to be
about it now.

The last standalone player I can find
in my collection, is:

flashplayer11_1r102_55_win_sa_32bit.exe

And I can't get that to do anything.

The thing labeled "flashplayerapp" is actually
a control panel for configuring the flash plugin
for Firefox.

Paul

Hello Paul,

I tried uninstalling it and re-installing
it with the same results as you describe.

How is anyone suppose to use it? I followed
the support links given and checked that the
Shockwave Flash plugin was always activated
which it was already. I then clicked a test
button to see if my computer actually had Adobe
which is did (the latest version 18 something)
It then showed a picture below and said if I
could see the clouds moving I have Adobe Flash
player and I saw the clouds move.

However there's no desktop icon and no 'new
programs' under the program listing.


Robert

Mark Twain wrote:
Hello Paul,

I tried uninstalling it and re-installing
it with the same results as you describe.

How is anyone suppose to use it? I followed
the support links given and checked that the
Shockwave Flash plugin was always activated
which it was already. I then clicked a test
button to see if my computer actually had Adobe
which is did (the latest version 18 something)
It then showed a picture below and said if I
could see the clouds moving I have Adobe Flash
player and I saw the clouds move.

However there's no desktop icon and no 'new
programs' under the program listing.


Robert

But I don't think they ship the Standalone Flash Player
any longer. That's why it is missing.

When you install plugins, as far as I know, they go here.

C:\WINDOWS\system32\Macromed\Flash

and the browsers have special arrangements to look in places
like that.

the last standalone player I have, was around Version 11
or so. And just about any test file I feed it, there is
no output. So I gave up.

The only practical way to do it now, is with a browser.

Paul

Hello Paul,


Here's what I did:

The Verbatim CD's arrived today
and so I plugged my Patriot USB
flash into one of the top ports
I had never used before just to
see if there was a difference

I inserted a CD-RW disk and copied
the files on it and verified it
afterwards.

http://i62.tinypic.com/nf2lgl.jpg

Thanks,
Robert

Mark Twain wrote:
Hello Paul,


Here's what I did:

The Verbatim CD's arrived today
and so I plugged my Patriot USB
flash into one of the top ports
I had never used before just to
see if there was a difference

I inserted a CD-RW disk and copied
the files on it and verified it
afterwards.

http://i62.tinypic.com/nf2lgl.jpg

Thanks,
Robert


This is the wrong kind of burning!!!

You want this. Imgburn. Write image file to disc.

http://i58.tinypic.com/2lvoljk.gif

When the screen opens to this page, there are
five easy steps.

http://i60.tinypic.com/6ifvol.gif

Half way through the burn, the tray will open and close again.
This signals the change from "write" to "read verify", and let
it finish. Don't tamper with it.

After a couple of minutes, Imgburn will play a loud
noise through the speakers, and you're done. A dialog
box pops up, saying it is done.

You can now eject the media and close the Imgburn program.

*******

The picture you showed me, is "drag and drop burning", and
will make a CD that won't boot.

The Imgburn way, it reads the ISO9660 file and converts
it into a bootable CD. The ISO9660 file has room to hold
bootable information, and Imgburn knows what to do with it.
It's a very clever program.

Now, you may insert the CD into the tray at any time,
and use it to boot the computer. When you do, you should
see only the Macrium Reflect software interface. The boot
CD is not a general OS CD, and you cannot do other work
in there. You can't use your web browser in there, do your
taxes or anything else. The CD is now "single purpose",
and runs Macrium for you. For when your internal hard
drive is completely empty, and your Windows copy of
Macrium is gone.

Paul

How's this?

http://i62.tinypic.com/168ziqc.jpg

http://i62.tinypic.com/4gqh5x.jpg

http://i59.tinypic.com/2v0zo8p.jpg

http://i60.tinypic.com/2myzp0j.jpg

Thanks for all your good help,
Robert

Mark Twain wrote:

How's this?

http://i62.tinypic.com/168ziqc.jpg

http://i62.tinypic.com/4gqh5x.jpg

http://i59.tinypic.com/2v0zo8p.jpg

http://i60.tinypic.com/2myzp0j.jpg

Thanks for all your good help,
Robert


The contents look reasonable.

The Boot, EFI, and Sources look like a rescue CD, which
is what that is, with the addition of its copy of Macrium.

Now, attempt to boot the media, and see if a Macrium
screen appears. It should look like the Macrium program
when it is running in Windows. When you quit it, the CD
should reboot, and then you select the hard drive
for booting instead.

It's possible on a reboot, it'll say "Press any key
to boot from CD", in which case if you don't touch
the keyboard, the hard drive should boot again. If
it wasn't for that feature of some boot media, you'd
have to press the BIOS key to enter the BIOS, then take
the time to empty the optical tray.

I didn't correctly interpret what was on your disc,
from yesterday. Maybe you did manage to get it burned
correctly, using just the Windows utility. But everything
looks in order, so you can go ahead and test it.

The reason I'm not a fan of "drag and drop" burn, is
because so many people end up with a CD with a loose
"rescue.iso" file on it. In the past, Windows wasn't clever
enough to realize that rescue.iso needed to be used to make
a boot CD. So somehow, before you used Imgburn, you must
have convinced the 8500 (running Windows 7) to do that for
you.

Sorry for putting you to the extra trouble. Now, on
with the testing :-)

Paul

I loaded the Disk into the 8200 and restarted
it but instead of Macrium it took me to the
sign-in page for which accounts I wanted to use.

There were no prompts at all. So I turned the
computer off then back on again with the disk inside
just to make sure and it did the same thing.

The desktop looks normal

Robert

Mark Twain wrote:
I loaded the Disk into the 8200 and restarted
it but instead of Macrium it took me to the
sign-in page for which accounts I wanted to use.

There were no prompts at all. So I turned the
computer off then back on again with the disk inside
just to make sure and it did the same thing.

The desktop looks normal

Robert

The boot order must be set in the BIOS.

Some PCs are set in this priority order.

Floppy
Optical drive
Hard drive (1 of N)

If your PC has

Floppy - turned off
Optical drive - turned off
Hard drive (1 of N)

then it will refuse to boot off anything
but the hard drive. You need to enter the
BIOS setup screen, and re-enable the optical
drive, to come before the hard drive in the
order.

You will need to enter the BIOS and find
the tab that has the boot order details in it.

Ideally, you want the removable devices
at the top of the boot list, so they get
considered if media is placed in the device.
(If their tray is empty, they get ignored.)
But if the order has been reversed, or an
important storage device has been turned off,
you can end up with a very short list of things
to boot.

*******

Modern computers have pop-up boot menus.

Your 8500 is new enough, to have such a thing.
When the computer first starts, there is a short
time window where you can press F2 or F8 or
some other F-key, to get to the boot menu.
The resulting boot menu, looks like this, and
every possible storage device ends up in the list.

http://cdn3.howtogeek.com/wp-content...-FLxgJQLy3.jpg

The 8200 is not new enough for that. On the 8200,
you have to enter the actual BIOS, and change
the boot setting in there, to get that function
to work.

This article isn't the absolute best (as it
doesn't look like the screens on your machine),
but it illustrates both methods.

http://www.howtogeek.com/129815/begi...omputers-bios/

Paul

On Fri, 12 Jun 2015 12:41:53 -0400, Paul wrote:

The boot order must be set in the BIOS.

Some PCs are set in this priority order.

Floppy
Optical drive
Hard drive (1 of N)


Yes, but my advice is never to leave it set for the floppy or optical
drive to come before the hard drive. It's OK to temporarily set it for
either of them, but not to leave it that way.

That's because it's always possible to accidentally leave an infected
floppy or CD in the drive, and therefore get infected when you boot.
I've seen that happen more than once.