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  #16  
Old December 27th 03, 05:48 PM
kurttrail
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But what does any of this have to do with Bruce
Chambers oft-repeated but bogus claim that one wouldn't be in compliance
with "COPYRIGHT LAWS" for installing software on more than one computer!
If he would just say that one would not be in compliance with the EULA,
that would be the truth, though that still wouldn't mean that a court
would actually enforce it on individuals, if MS ever grew the balls to
actually enforce their EULA on individuals by legal means thru the court
system, but that's Contract Law. Bruce, or anyone else, has never found
one US copyright law that an individual would not be in compliance with
when installing the same copy of software on more than one computer!

Or do you condone his repeatedly posting 218 times that which nobody has
been able to prove, because there are no existing US copyright laws that
prohibits an individual from installing the same copy of software on
more than one computer?!

Or is that how you MS-MVP's earn your free MSDN subscriptions by
misrepresenting the truth for MS?!

Or don't you know how to answer a question to begin with?

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[I bet Jupiter still ignores answering this valid post! Complaining
about my sig, instead of try to counter my valid points, and to avoid
answering my questions!]


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  #17  
Old December 27th 03, 05:48 PM
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"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message =
...
Ted;
Your name calling shows your true character just as the other poster
showed his true self.
People resort to name calling when they lack the ability to support
their position and need all the help they can get to support their
position.
Come back when you have points that do not include your silly name
calling.
Perhaps then you may be taken seriously.


You pillockling weakling! Nothing worse than a "namecalling" lamer, to =
excercise their excuse to not explain, why they support lies, and =
unethical behaviour
  #18  
Old December 27th 03, 05:48 PM
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"kurttrail" wrote in =
message ...
Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
=20
Your signature explains your attitude.
"Peace"...

=20
Peace - Inner contentment; serenity -
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=3Dpeace
=20
you do not appear to believe in it

=20
I wish that all have the Inner contentment I have found!
=20
"Self-anointed Moderator"...Absolutely meaningless

=20
Self-deprecating Humor!
=20

The rest...describes your true beliefs and intentions

=20
Like "Trustworthy Computing" isn't an oxymoron? MS wouldn't have an
average of about a patch a week after SP1, if Windows XP were truely
trustworthy! SP1 came out long after MS announce their "Trustworthy
Computing" initiative, not to mention the patch they had to rework, =

nor
that DX9 in now in a "b" version!
=20
And to me, putting an OS with PA on my machine is analogous to putting
my computer into a MS concentration camp!
=20
No response necessary unless you like to talk to yourself and have =

the
last word (little doubt you do)

=20
Or I want to challenge you to actually answer my post rather than
attacking to me in order to avoid answering my legitimate questions!
=20
Is that something they teach in MS-MVP school, how to not reply to
questions you don't want to answer, by attacking the questioner?
=20


You got to love it, when they reply that way; it reinforces your stance, =
while they grope each other as MVPs in one big group hug!
  #19  
Old December 27th 03, 05:48 PM
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Ted" """""'"""""" wrote:

You got to love it, when they reply that way; it reinforces your
stance, while they grope each other as MVPs in one big group hug!


Yes! And then they run & hide from the truth, like it was a contagious
disease! MS-MVP are like the monkey that keeps his eyes covered with
his hands, if they don't see the truth, then they don't have to
acknowledge that it exists, and then they can continue living,
blissfully ignorant, in their MicroFantasyLand!!!

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  #20  
Old December 27th 03, 05:49 PM
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Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:

Rob;
What you read is wrong.
As with all consumer Microsoft OSs, one license, one computer.


And you've read every single EULA, since the original Windows, right?!

If you want Windows XP on both computers, you need to buy a second
copy.


Need! LOL!

It is not relevant that you are home or business, small or large
network etc.


Actually, it is relevant under copyright law! It's just not relevent
according to MS's interpretation of their own EULA, which is highly
suspect to begin with, when it comes to private individuals, as I've
already shown elsewhere in the thread!

You will not be able to activate the second installation.


What a line of bull! All the OP has to do wait 120 days, and his second
installation will go through via the internet, as MS purges the PA data
from the first installation after 120 days

http://microscum.kurttrail.com/mmpafaq/mmpafaq.htm

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  #21  
Old December 27th 03, 05:49 PM
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Phe@rsome wrote:

You heard wrong!


Obviosly some morons can't *READ*!

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  #22  
Old December 27th 03, 05:49 PM
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Cherry Qian (msft) wrote:

Hi Rob,

Thank you for the posting. As you indicated you want to install the
same copy of Windows XP Pro on two computers of your home network.

To answer your question. This is not recommended. To do so, you need
to get "Microsoft Windows XP Additional License"

Home Edition $89.10
Professional Edition $189

Under the Windows XP End-User License Agreement (EULA), you may
install one licensed copy of Windows XP on one computer. If you need
to install Windows XP on more than one computer that you own, you may
qualify to purchase up to three (3) discounted additional licenses in
one of the following ways.

Purchase Online
==============

To provide a better product experience for our customers and immediate
access to additional licenses, Microsoft has partnered with
participating online retailers in the U.S. to allow you to purchase
and use a Windows XP license from the convenience of your home or
small business. Here¡¯s how:

1. Enter either your current Windows XP Product ID or Product Key in
the boxes below, and then click Submit.
2. You¡¯ll learn whether you qualify for an additional license as
well as which license you qualify for--the full version or version
upgrade.
3. Purchase your Windows XP Additional License Product Key for an
additional license directly from a Microsoft-approved reseller. A
Product Key is an electronic number that "unlocks" Windows XP and
allows it to run.
4. After you purchase a Product Key, the key will be displayed on your
screen and you'll receive a confirmation e-mail message that also
contains the key

Purchase at a Retail Store
=======================

Microsoft has offered retailers in the U.S. and Canada the ability to
sell additional licenses at a discount. If you own a licensed copy of
Windows XP, and want to buy an additional license in packaged form,
check with your local retailer.

Purchase via Telephone
======================

Microsoft also offers an additional license service to customers who
have legally installed Windows XP and have an immediate need for an
additional license due to work stoppage or other unforeseen
circumstance. In the U.S. and Canada, call the Windows Product
Activation Call Center at 888-571-2048 for more information on how
you can take advantage of this service.

Hope the above information and suggestion helps and answers your
question. If anything is unclear, please let me know.


And this is what PA is all about, tricking people into buying more
software than they legally need!

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  #23  
Old December 27th 03, 05:49 PM
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PaulM wrote:

Nope! You can not do that, you need two copies.


Oh yes he can!

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  #24  
Old December 27th 03, 05:49 PM
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Not legally.
Are you again suggesting unethical behaviour?
No surprise coming from you.

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An easier way to read newsgroup messages:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/p...oups/setup.asp
http://dts-l.org/index.html


"kurttrail" wrote in
message ...
Oh yes he can!

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  #25  
Old December 27th 03, 05:50 PM
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Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:

Not legally.


It's legal in the US!

Title 17, Chapter 1, Section 117. - Limitations on
exclusive rights: Computer programs

(a) Making of Additional Copy or Adaptation by Owner of
Copy. - Notwithstanding the provisions of section 106, it
is not an infringement for the owner of a copy of a
computer program to make or authorize the making of
another copy or adaptation of that computer program
provided:

(1) that such a new copy or adaptation is created as an
essential step in the utilization of the computer program
in conjunction with a machine and that it is used in no
other manner, or

(2) that such new copy or adaptation is for archival
purposes only and that all archival copies are destroyed
in the event that continued possession of the computer
program should cease to be rightful.

The following is a translation of Section 117 (a) from the
legalese using MS's own definitions:

Title 17 Chapter 1 Section 117. - Limitations on the
exclusive rights of Copyright Owners: Computer programs

(a) Making of Additional Installation by the Owner of a
Copy of Software. - It is not infringement for the owner
of a copy of software to make another installation
provided:

(1) that such a new installation is made as a necessary
step in making use of the software together with a
previously unknown computer and that it is used in no
other manner, or

"(2) that such new copy or adaptation is for archival
purposes only and that all archival copies are destroyed
in the event that continued possession of the computer
program should cease to be rightful"

Installation -
http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/featur...rch=adaptation

made -http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/dictionary/DictionaryResult
s.aspx?search=created

necessary -
http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/featur...arch=essential

making use -
http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/featur...search=utilize

together with -
http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/featur...ch=conjunction

a previously unknown -
http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/featur...fid=1861582871

or -
http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/featur...aspx?search=or


Are you again suggesting unethical behaviour?


Not at all! It's not unethical to follow the laws of Congress over that
of a contract!

"Shrinkwrap licenses are enforceable unless their terms are
objectionable on grounds applicable to contracts in
general (for example, if they violate a rule of positive
law, or if they are unconscionable)." -
http://www.law.emory.edu/7circuit/june96/96-1139.html

And there is absolutely no law that prohibits breaking any contract, in
and of itself!

No surprise coming from you.


Ask a question, and don't bother waiting for an answer! No surprise
coming from *YOU*!

Now I have shown you more respect than you deserve, considering your
previous attack on me & my sig, so when are you gonna answer me, in a
like fashion?

"But what does any of this have to do with what I wrote, or Bruce
Chambers oft-repeated but bogus claim that one wouldn't be in compliance
with "COPYRIGHT LAWS" for installing software on more than one computer!
If he would just say that one would not be in compliance with the EULA,
that would be the truth, though that still wouldn't mean that a court
would actually enforce it on individuals, if MS ever grew the balls to
actually enforce their EULA on individuals by legal means thru the court
system, but that's Contract Law. Bruce, or anyone else, has never found
one US copyright law that an individual would not be in compliance with
when installing the same copy of software on more than one computer!"

"Or do you condone his repeatedly posting 218 times that which nobody
has
been able to prove, because there are no existing US copyright laws that
prohibits an individual from installing the same copy of software on
more than one computer?!"

"Or is that how you MS-MVP's earn your free MSDN subscriptions by
misrepresenting the truth for MS?!"

Stop playing games or are you just innately incapable of discussing this
in a rational manner?!

--
Peace!
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  #26  
Old December 27th 03, 05:54 PM
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"kurttrail" wrote in message
...
Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:

Not legally.


It's legal in the US!


Prove it!
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  #27  
Old December 27th 03, 05:55 PM
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Michael Stevens wrote:

"kurttrail" wrote in
message ...
Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:

Not legally.


It's legal in the US!


Prove it!


I already did, by showing a law that allows it. You know, the part you
snipped out without indicating that you snipped anything out!

If MS doesn't think the law applies, then they can sue me, but that
doesn't mean this law doesn't apply!

I follow the law, not the copyright owners interpretation of what they
think they can get away with under the law!

Now you can either prove why the law isn't applicable, or why you think
an individual is doing something illegal by installing the same copy of
software on more than one computer!

"But what does any of this have to do with what I wrote, or Bruce
Chambers oft-repeated but bogus claim that one wouldn't be in compliance
with "COPYRIGHT LAWS" for installing software on more than one computer!
If he would just say that one would not be in compliance with the EULA,
that would be the truth, though that still wouldn't mean that a court
would actually enforce it on individuals, if MS ever grew the balls to
actually enforce their EULA on individuals by legal means thru the court
system, but that's Contract Law. Bruce, or anyone else, has never found
one US copyright law that an individual would not be in compliance with
when installing the same copy of software on more than one computer!"

"Or do you condone his repeatedly posting 218 times that which nobody
has
been able to prove, because there are no existing US copyright laws that
prohibits an individual from installing the same copy of software on
more than one computer?!"

"Or is that how you MS-MVP's earn your free MSDN subscriptions by
misrepresenting the truth for MS?!"

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"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
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  #28  
Old December 27th 03, 05:56 PM
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Hi Kurt,

Thank you for the posting again. Below are the the licensing program for
Windows XP.

Retail Pricing for Windows XP Professional
======================================

Windows XP Professional is available as a full product or as an upgrade
from Windows 98/Windows 98 SE, Windows Me, Windows NT Workstation 4.0,
Windows 2000 Professional, or Windows XP Home Edition. Under the Windows XP
End-User License Agreement (EULA), you may install one licensed copy of
Windows XP on one computer. If you need to install Windows XP on more
than one computer that you own, you may qualify to purchase up to three (3)
discounted additional licenses in one of the following ways.
Purchase Online
Purchase at a Retail Store
Purchase via Telephone

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/p...cingretail.asp

Windows XP Professional Volume Licensing Discounts for Organizations
================================================== ===========

Microsoft is simplifying how customers acquire and administer volume
licenses. Called Software Assurance, this new program will help to ensure
that you have continual access to the most current software at the best
rates. You may enjoy significant savings by purchasing Windows XP
Professional licenses in volume. Use the table below to choose the volume
licensing option that is right for the size and type of your organization.
Through one of the volume licensing programs listed in the table below, you
may purchase a Windows XP Professional Upgrade License. Because the volume
licensing programs require that a licensed operating system already exists
on a computer, the only operating system license offered is the upgrade.
Full licenses are available through retail or computer manufacturers
(preinstalled on a new computer) only.

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/p...cingvolume.asp


For more details, please visit the Microsoft Licensing site:
http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/default.asp

Hope the above information and suggestion helps and answers your question.
If anything is unclear, please let me know.


Sincerely,

Cherry Qian
MCSE2000, MCSA2000, MCDBA2000
Microsoft Partner Online Support


Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security

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  #29  
Old December 27th 03, 05:57 PM
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Cherry Qian (msft) wrote:

Hi Kurt,

Thank you for the posting again. Below are the the licensing
program for Windows XP.

Retail Pricing for Windows XP Professional
======================================

Windows XP Professional is available as a full product or as an
upgrade from Windows 98/Windows 98 SE, Windows Me, Windows NT
Workstation 4.0, Windows 2000 Professional, or Windows XP Home
Edition. Under the Windows XP End-User License Agreement (EULA), you
may install one licensed copy of Windows XP on one computer. If you
need to install Windows XP on more than one computer that you own,
you may qualify to purchase up to three (3) discounted additional
licenses in one of the following ways.
Purchase Online
Purchase at a Retail Store
Purchase via Telephone

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/p...cingretail.asp

Windows XP Professional Volume Licensing Discounts for Organizations
================================================== ===========

Microsoft is simplifying how customers acquire and administer volume
licenses. Called Software Assurance, this new program will help to
ensure that you have continual access to the most current software at
the best rates. You may enjoy significant savings by purchasing
Windows XP Professional licenses in volume. Use the table below to
choose the volume licensing option that is right for the size and
type of your organization. Through one of the volume licensing
programs listed in the table below, you may purchase a Windows XP
Professional Upgrade License. Because the volume licensing programs
require that a licensed operating system already exists on a
computer, the only operating system license offered is the upgrade.
Full licenses are available through retail or computer manufacturers
(preinstalled on a new computer) only.

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/p...cingvolume.asp


For more details, please visit the Microsoft Licensing site:
http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/default.asp

Hope the above information and suggestion helps and answers your
question. If anything is unclear, please let me know.


Sincerely,

Cherry Qian
MCSE2000, MCSA2000, MCDBA2000
Microsoft Partner Online Support


Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security

================================================== ==
When responding to posts, please Reply to Group via your newsreader so
that others may learn and benefit from your issue.
================================================== ==
This posting is provided AS IS with no warranties, and confers no
rights.


Thank you for your off-topic SPAM!

"Wasting somebody else's time strikes me as the height of rudeness. We
have only so many hours, and none to waste." - Bill Gates -
http://www.microsoft.com/billgates/c...ay/3-25col.asp

Didn't you get the memo Cherry?!

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Old December 27th 03, 05:59 PM
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kurttrail wrote:

Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:

Not legally.


snip

Stop playing games or are you just innately incapable of discussing
this
in a rational manner?!


You're silence speaks volumes!

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"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"


 




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