Spanish Flu killed 50 million people

You may not know this but Spanish Flu killed nearly 50 Million people
world wide.

This is how it looked in the mortuaries around the world!!

[ alt-spanish=flu ]
https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/nintchdbpict000378376610.jpg

THE 1918 Spanish flu killed up to 50 million people around the world and
has been called “the mother of all pandemics�.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7310340/spanish-flu-pandemic-1918-death-toll/

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On Sun, 22 Mar 2020 21:10:25 +0000, ? Good Guy ?
wrote:

You may not know this but Spanish Flu killed nearly 50 Million people
world wide.

This is how it looked in the mortuaries around the world!!

[ alt-spanish=flu ]
https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/nintchdbpict000378376610.jpg

THE 1918 Spanish flu killed up to 50 million people around the world and
has been called “the mother of all pandemics”.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7310340/spanish-flu-pandemic-1918-death-toll/

No,
I heard it was 48,0023,514 people

On 22/03/2020 22:46, Peter Jason wrote:
On Sun, 22 Mar 2020 21:10:25 +0000, ? Good Guy ?
wrote:

You may not know this but Spanish Flu killed nearly 50 Million people
world wide.

This is how it looked in the mortuaries around the world!!

[ alt-spanish=flu ]
https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/nintchdbpict000378376610.jpg

THE 1918 Spanish flu killed up to 50 million people around the world and
has been called “the mother of all pandemics�.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7310340/spanish-flu-pandemic-1918-death-toll/
No,
I heard it was 48,0023,514 people
You sure about this? Did you actually mean that number because that is
not the way we write in Europe!!

Perhaps you meant to say: 48,023,514. If so then it is not that bad
because I overstated the figure by 1,976,486

This difference is what might happen for this virus. We are expecting
about 20,000 deaths in the UK and in the news it says our rate of people
testing positive is 2nd highest after Spain. Even Italy, China and Iran
have better figures percentage wise, but in total numbers they are ahead
of everybody.

Surprisingly, hot countries (apart from Iran) seems to be resistant to
this. India has got only 4 deaths so far; Kazakhstan hasn't got any
cases so far but it has taken draconian action to close down almost
everything!! Nigeria has got only one case but experts think that they
announced this to get help from the west. They didn't have any cases so
far!!. We don't know anything about Australia or New Zealand but they
have already taken steps to stop spreading.

Angela Merkel is self-isolating herself because she met a doctor who has
since been diagnosed as infected.



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On Sun, 22 Mar 2020 23:05:00 +0000, ? Good Guy ?
wrote:

This difference is what might happen for this virus. We are expecting about 20,000 deaths in the UK and in the news it says our rate of people testing positive is 2nd highest after Spain. Even Italy, China and Iran have better figures percentage wise, but in total numbers they are ahead of everybody.


Surprisingly, hot countries (apart from Iran) seems to be resistant to this. India has got only 4 deaths so far; Kazakhstan hasn't got any cases so far but it has taken draconian action to close down almost everything!! Nigeria has got only one case but experts think that they announced this to get help from the west. They didn't have any cases so far!!. We don't know anything about Australia or New Zealand but they have already taken steps to stop spreading.

Not at all surprising. The virus finds it increasingly difficult to
thrive as temperatures increase and it starts to give up almost
entirely at about 66F (19C). It loves cooler temperatures.
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In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

Not at all surprising. The virus finds it increasingly difficult to
thrive as temperatures increase and it starts to give up almost
entirely at about 66F (19C). It loves cooler temperatures.

this is very clearly false.

stop spreading *very* dangerous misinformation.

summer just ended in the southern hemisphere, yet cases continue to
increase at a rapid rate. clearly the virus thrives quite well.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-goes-off-the-
coronavirus-cliff-the-question-is-how-hard-will-it-land
The main thing that happened was a significant spike in the number
of coronavirus infections. Australia has now sprinted past 1,000
cases, with the number doubling over each of the past three days,
and it is likely this acceleration is only the beginning.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-51992357
Australia is shutting down non-essential services as coronavirus
cases rise rapidly in the country.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...navirus-austra
lia-bondi-beach-closed-ban-gatherings-a9415711.html
Australia¹s famous Bondi Beach has been temporarily closed after the
number of people flocking there exceeded the government¹s*coronavirus
restrictions on outdoor gatherings.

On 22 Mar 2020, Eric Stevens wrote
(in ):

On Sun, 22 Mar 2020 23:05:00 +0000, ? Good Guy ?
wrote:

This difference is what might happen for this virus. We are expecting about
20,000 deaths in the UK and in the news it says our rate of people testing
positive is 2nd highest after Spain. Even Italy, China and Iran have better
figures percentage wise, but in total numbers they are ahead of everybody.


Surprisingly, hot countries (apart from Iran) seems to be resistant to
this. India has got only 4 deaths so far; Kazakhstan hasn't got any cases
so far but it has taken draconian action to close down almost everything!!
Nigeria has got only one case but experts think that they announced this to
get help from the west. They didn't have any cases so far!!. We don't know
anything about Australia or New Zealand but they have already taken steps
to stop spreading.

Not at all surprising. The virus finds it increasingly difficult to
thrive as temperatures increase and it starts to give up almost
entirely at about 66F (19C). It loves cooler temperatures.

Bull****. The lows in Glorious South Florida have been over 70F, the highs in
the 80s. Miami-Dade, Broward, and Palm Beach counties, all in Deepest South
Florida, you can’t get further south unless you get on the Keys, account
for _half_ of Florida’s total corona cases. There are 67 counties in
Florida. The Palm Beach Post includes a nice little map with this article.
(The three red circles at bottom right, they’re Dade, Broward, and Palm
Beach. Note that Dade, the furthest south and the hottest, has the biggest
circle.)

https://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/2...ida-wersquore-
at-300-pbc-has-youngest-6-year-old-boy

Anyone who thinks, using the term generously, that covid-19 ‘finds it
increasingly difficult to thrive’ at temps over 66F is an idiot. An
extremely dangerous, completely misinformed, idiot.

Wolffan wrote:
On 22 Mar 2020, Eric Stevens wrote
(in ):

On Sun, 22 Mar 2020 23:05:00 +0000, ? Good Guy ?
wrote:

This difference is what might happen for this virus. We are expecting about
20,000 deaths in the UK and in the news it says our rate of people testing
positive is 2nd highest after Spain. Even Italy, China and Iran have better
figures percentage wise, but in total numbers they are ahead of everybody.


Surprisingly, hot countries (apart from Iran) seems to be resistant to
this. India has got only 4 deaths so far; Kazakhstan hasn't got any cases
so far but it has taken draconian action to close down almost everything!!
Nigeria has got only one case but experts think that they announced this to
get help from the west. They didn't have any cases so far!!. We don't know
anything about Australia or New Zealand but they have already taken steps
to stop spreading.
Not at all surprising. The virus finds it increasingly difficult to
thrive as temperatures increase and it starts to give up almost
entirely at about 66F (19C). It loves cooler temperatures.

Bull****. The lows in Glorious South Florida have been over 70F, the highs in
the 80s. Miami-Dade, Broward, and Palm Beach counties, all in Deepest South
Florida, you can’t get further south unless you get on the Keys, account
for _half_ of Florida’s total corona cases. There are 67 counties in
Florida. The Palm Beach Post includes a nice little map with this article.
(The three red circles at bottom right, they’re Dade, Broward, and Palm
Beach. Note that Dade, the furthest south and the hottest, has the biggest
circle.)

https://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/2...ida-wersquore-
at-300-pbc-has-youngest-6-year-old-boy

Anyone who thinks, using the term generously, that covid-19 ‘finds it
increasingly difficult to thrive’ at temps over 66F is an idiot. An
extremely dangerous, completely misinformed, idiot.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...s-in-australia

"
"It's interesting that [Covid-19] has spread all over the world
quite quickly – both north and south" he said, adding that this
suggested either the new virus was not dependent on temperature
or that this dependency was not as important as the lack of
immunity in the population that was helping it to spread.

Does the coronavirus have a preferred temperature?

Some studies that have not yet been peer-reviewed have tried to
find out if there is a clear link between temperature and the
rate of infection of the coronavirus, but have been inconclusive
or contradictory.

Dr Meru Sheel of the National Centre for Epidemiology and Population
Health at Australian National University, says: "There is
no clear evidence to suggest a relationship between
outdoor temperatures and spread of coronaviruses."
"

Be aware, that if you're looking at a map of the world
and you notice "oh, they only got one case", that this
does not imply a weakness in the virus. To analyze the virus
progress, you have to align the "origin time" of each
growth graph, so they line up. A country which currently
isn't showing a problem, will eventually have a problem.
For example, an estimate is, we're "11 days behind Italy".
That does not mean we're "exceptionally immune" or
"a special kind of people", it means the Fedex with the
virus was late in arriving.

When the "shape" of the curve changes, that's progress!

So far, the "growth" part of the curve, more or less
matches Italy.

Pure exponential function ? We're ****ed. And when you see
that, it means our "effort" isn't good enough.

A trial kicked off yesterday, for an off-list drug combo.
The trial is tiny, and involves people already infected.
Which means half of the participants will receive placebos
(a "sugar pill"). This is a "learning trial" rather than
a "safety trial", as they figure out what dose works,
which day of infection does it work best/give best leverage.

If we can get that working, when our medical system collapses,
that will be a fallback. (No ventilators ? Take meds.)

Paul

In message , Peter Jason
writes
On Sun, 22 Mar 2020 21:10:25 +0000, ? Good Guy ?
wrote:

You may not know this but Spanish Flu killed nearly 50 Million people
world wide.

This is how it looked in the mortuaries around the world!!

[ alt-spanish=flu ]
https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/...chdbpict000378
376610.jpg

THE 1918 Spanish flu killed up to 50 million people around the world and
has been called “the mother of all pandemics�.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7310340/spanish-flu-pandemic-1918-death-toll/

No,
I heard it was 48,0023,514 people

Assuming that you meant 48,023,514, then there must be such a huge
degree of uncertainly in that figure that 50 million seems like a
reasonable approximation. Or perhaps you were joking?
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😉 Good Guy 😉 wrote:
You may not know this but Spanish Flu killed nearly 50 Million people
world wide.

Despite the fact that everyone had antibodies. No one has antibodies for
this corona virus. The way Trump is mismanaging this, there will many
more deaths in the USA than 50M. Fools like you will be the first to fall.

In article ,
John Wesley Harding wrote:
😉 Good Guy 😉 wrote:
You may not know this but Spanish Flu killed nearly 50 Million people
world wide.

Despite the fact that everyone had antibodies. No one has antibodies for
this corona virus. The way Trump is mismanaging this, there will many
more deaths in the USA than 50M. Fools like you will be the first to fall.

The general thought that runs through my mind is this: Suppose it did come
down to a choice of saving the economy or saving the population. What
would TPTB do?

(Hard to imagine the Orange One having the think for more than 2 seconds on
that one)

In fact, to put this in a story-telling context, suitable for the Hollywood
treatment, imagine a devil-like entity making someone the following
Faustian bargain: I will magically fix the stock market (put it back to
30K, and back on its normal high-powered upward trajectory) but 100 million
Americans will die. What would a normal government official do?

(We know, of course, what the Orange One would do, and how long it would
take him to reach a conclusion).

A couple of notes:
1) Having 100 millions Americans die would put the US back to its c. 1973
population. I.e., it would not take that long to build it back up.

2) Speaking of the Hollywood treatment, I've begun to wonder how much longer
until we start to see Coronavirus in popular media (TV dramas, comedies,
etc, movies, etc)

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On Sun, 22 Mar 2020 21:10:25 +0000, ? Good Guy ?
wrote:

You may not know this but Spanish Flu killed nearly 50 Million people
world wide.

Maybe not this time....

Cheap, easy to build ventilator. Free specs online. Contact local
hospitals so they can get the info and have them built ASAP.
Why are you just sitting there? Make that call. The life you save
might be your own--or a family member's.

https://www.kare11.com/article/news/...mhsc1EQvT x-U

On Sun, 22 Mar 2020 20:18:57 -0400, nospam
wrote:

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

Not at all surprising. The virus finds it increasingly difficult to
thrive as temperatures increase and it starts to give up almost
entirely at about 66F (19C). It loves cooler temperatures.

this is very clearly false.

stop spreading *very* dangerous misinformation.

summer just ended in the southern hemisphere, yet cases continue to
increase at a rapid rate. clearly the virus thrives quite well.

You are overreacting. My source of information states that papers are
in the pipeline suggesting that Covid-19 thrives for
*daily_mean_temperatures* from 32F to 55F. My error was leaving out
the 'daily mean'.

You cannot deduce this kind of information from newspaper articles
about the impact of the disease on a community.

--- links to news items snipped ---

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-goes-off-the-
coronavirus-cliff-the-question-is-how-hard-will-it-land
The main thing that happened was a significant spike in the number
of coronavirus infections. Australia has now sprinted past 1,000
cases, with the number doubling over each of the past three days,
and it is likely this acceleration is only the beginning.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-51992357
Australia is shutting down non-essential services as coronavirus
cases rise rapidly in the country.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...navirus-austra
lia-bondi-beach-closed-ban-gatherings-a9415711.html
Australia¹s famous Bondi Beach has been temporarily closed after the
number of people flocking there exceeded the government¹sÂ*coronavirus
restrictions on outdoor gatherings.
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens

On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 01:41:58 -0400, Wolffan
wrote:

On 22 Mar 2020, Eric Stevens wrote
(in ):

On Sun, 22 Mar 2020 23:05:00 +0000, ? Good Guy ?
wrote:

This difference is what might happen for this virus. We are expecting about
20,000 deaths in the UK and in the news it says our rate of people testing
positive is 2nd highest after Spain. Even Italy, China and Iran have better
figures percentage wise, but in total numbers they are ahead of everybody.


Surprisingly, hot countries (apart from Iran) seems to be resistant to
this. India has got only 4 deaths so far; Kazakhstan hasn't got any cases
so far but it has taken draconian action to close down almost everything!!
Nigeria has got only one case but experts think that they announced this to
get help from the west. They didn't have any cases so far!!. We don't know
anything about Australia or New Zealand but they have already taken steps
to stop spreading.

Not at all surprising. The virus finds it increasingly difficult to
thrive as temperatures increase and it starts to give up almost
entirely at about 66F (19C). It loves cooler temperatures.

Bull****. The lows in Glorious South Florida have been over 70F, the highs in
the 80s. Miami-Dade, Broward, and Palm Beach counties, all in Deepest South
Florida, you can’t get further south unless you get on the Keys, account
for _half_ of Florida’s total corona cases. There are 67 counties in
Florida. The Palm Beach Post includes a nice little map with this article.
(The three red circles at bottom right, they’re Dade, Broward, and Palm
Beach. Note that Dade, the furthest south and the hottest, has the biggest
circle.)

https://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/2...ida-wersquore-
at-300-pbc-has-youngest-6-year-old-boy

Anyone who thinks, using the term generously, that covid-19 ‘finds it
increasingly difficult to thrive’ at temps over 66F is an idiot. An
extremely dangerous, completely misinformed, idiot.

I didn't say it died out at these temperatures. Merely that it does
best at lower temperatures and that this might explain the apparent
anomaly of the infections in Iran.
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens

On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 01:41:58 -0400, Wolffan
wrote:

On 22 Mar 2020, Eric Stevens wrote
(in ):

On Sun, 22 Mar 2020 23:05:00 +0000, ? Good Guy ?
wrote:

This difference is what might happen for this virus. We are expecting about
20,000 deaths in the UK and in the news it says our rate of people testing
positive is 2nd highest after Spain. Even Italy, China and Iran have better
figures percentage wise, but in total numbers they are ahead of everybody.


Surprisingly, hot countries (apart from Iran) seems to be resistant to
this. India has got only 4 deaths so far; Kazakhstan hasn't got any cases
so far but it has taken draconian action to close down almost everything!!
Nigeria has got only one case but experts think that they announced this to
get help from the west. They didn't have any cases so far!!. We don't know
anything about Australia or New Zealand but they have already taken steps
to stop spreading.

Not at all surprising. The virus finds it increasingly difficult to
thrive as temperatures increase and it starts to give up almost
entirely at about 66F (19C). It loves cooler temperatures.

Bull****. The lows in Glorious South Florida have been over 70F, the highs in
the 80s. Miami-Dade, Broward, and Palm Beach counties, all in Deepest South
Florida, you can’t get further south unless you get on the Keys, account
for _half_ of Florida’s total corona cases. There are 67 counties in
Florida. The Palm Beach Post includes a nice little map with this article.
(The three red circles at bottom right, they’re Dade, Broward, and Palm
Beach. Note that Dade, the furthest south and the hottest, has the biggest
circle.)

https://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/2...ida-wersquore-
at-300-pbc-has-youngest-6-year-old-boy

Anyone who thinks, using the term generously, that covid-19 ‘finds it
increasingly difficult to thrive’ at temps over 66F is an idiot. An
extremely dangerous, completely misinformed, idiot.

You are at the upper end of the viruses preferred average daily
temperatue rang and certainly not hot enough to severely inhibit it.
See
https://www.accuweather.com/en/nz/ne...weather/328167
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:


Not at all surprising. The virus finds it increasingly difficult to
thrive as temperatures increase and it starts to give up almost
entirely at about 66F (19C). It loves cooler temperatures.

Bull****. The lows in Glorious South Florida have been over 70F, the highs
in
the 80s. Miami-Dade, Broward, and Palm Beach counties, all in Deepest South
Florida, you can¹t get further south unless you get on the Keys, account
for _half_ of Florida¹s total corona cases. There are 67 counties in
Florida. The Palm Beach Post includes a nice little map with this article.
(The three red circles at bottom right, they¹re Dade, Broward, and Palm
Beach. Note that Dade, the furthest south and the hottest, has the biggest
circle.)

https://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/2...ida-wersquore-
at-300-pbc-has-youngest-6-year-old-boy

Anyone who thinks, using the term generously, that covid-19 Œfinds it
increasingly difficult to thrive¹ at temps over 66F is an idiot. An
extremely dangerous, completely misinformed, idiot.

You are at the upper end of the viruses preferred average daily
temperatue rang and certainly not hot enough to severely inhibit it.

in other words, it thrives just fine in hot weather.