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OT - What3words: The app that can save your life
nospam wrote:
Rene Lamontagne wrote: Longitude and latitude have always worked fine for me and will continue doing so as long as I'm here. except if you transpose two digits, skip a digit or fat-finger it and tap the wrong digit... You have no more need to read or 'tap' in digits than you do to tap in a URL when you can click it in. The device sees all of the digits correctly, the device transmits all the digits correctly; the human only helps (slightly) the device to do that. The human doesn't need to read or understand or remember or type even one number. Any time the human gets involved such as reading or remembering or speaking or understanding some word or combination of words, there is great and serious potential for error. -- Mike Easter |
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OT - What3words: The app that can save your life
In article , Andy Burns
wrote: Longitude and latitude have always worked fine for me and will continue doing so as long as I'm here. except if you transpose two digits, skip a digit or fat-finger it and tap the wrong digit... so add a check(sum|digit) rather than turning it all into words with a proprietary scheme. it's much easier for humans to use three words than a bunch of digits with a checksum. |
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OT - What3words: The app that can save your life
In article , Mike Easter
wrote: Longitude and latitude have always worked fine for me and will continue doing so as long as I'm here. except if you transpose two digits, skip a digit or fat-finger it and tap the wrong digit... You have no more need to read or 'tap' in digits than you do to tap in a URL when you can click it in. not when someone speaks the digits or words, or prints them in an ad or brochure. The device sees all of the digits correctly, the device transmits all the digits correctly; the human only helps (slightly) the device to do that. The human doesn't need to read or understand or remember or type even one number. Any time the human gets involved such as reading or remembering or speaking or understanding some word or combination of words, there is great and serious potential for error. much less with three words than a bunch of digits. |
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OT - What3words: The app that can save your life
nospam wrote:
much less with three words than a bunch of digits. *IF* some circumstance required a human to need to remember a word or 3 words, it would be better to do that than remember or 'repeat' a long string of numbers. *BUT* that is a strawman argument, in the scenario I envision. The human does NOT need to remember or repeat any words or numbers at all, so the IF circumstance above does not apply (here). -- Mike Easter |
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OT - What3words: The app that can save your life
In article , Mike Easter
wrote: much less with three words than a bunch of digits. *IF* some circumstance required a human to need to remember a word or 3 words, it would be better to do that than remember or 'repeat' a long string of numbers. that's exactly the point. and it's not just numbers. instead telling someone to meet you at 'the southwest corner of the park, near the fountain', or 'head north on the beach a bit', you can tell them three words and they will find the *exact* location, within a few feet. in some cases a street address of a building is not where the actual entrance is, which might be around the corner. this is very common with hospitals, where the main entrance and emergency entrance are not always near each other, and may even differ from the business address. *BUT* that is a strawman argument, in the scenario I envision. there is no strawman. The human does NOT need to remember or repeat any words or numbers at all, so the IF circumstance above does not apply (here). not every instance is a mobile device sending a packet of data to someone capable of automatically mapping said data. |
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OT - What3words: The app that can save your life
nospam wrote:
Mike Easter wrote: much less with three words than a bunch of digits. *IF* some circumstance required a human to need to remember a word or 3 words, it would be better to do that than remember or 'repeat' a long string of numbers. that's exactly the point. That is not *exactly* the point. You are creating 'your own' scenario, while the original issue/ example was quite different from that. and it's not just numbers. instead telling someone to meet you at 'the southwest corner of the park, near the fountain', or 'head north on the beach a bit', you can tell them three words and they will find the *exact* location, within a few feet. In that particular *different* scenario than the original, now the recipient of the information MUST integrate the precise and correct interpretation of the words you transmitted somehow, perhaps verbally, but in addition, they must possess a working device into which they must 'laboriously' tap in those words hopefully correctly w/o any typos whatsoever and then the device must be able to access the database which will properly map that word/coordinate onto a map. in some cases a street address of a building is not where the actual entrance is, which might be around the corner. this is very common with hospitals, where the main entrance and emergency entrance are not always near each other, and may even differ from the business address. That particular issue is very well known from everyone from uber drivers to emergency responders. An address is not an exact location, particularly when an address has numerous/ myriad/ far flung locations both horizontally and vertically. *BUT* that is a strawman argument, in the scenario I envision. there is no strawman. The human does NOT need to remember or repeat any words or numbers at all, so the IF circumstance above does not apply (here). not every instance is a mobile device sending a packet of data to someone capable of automatically mapping said data. The specific instance which we began talking about is hikers lost w/ a phone w/ connectivity requesting aid from a dispatcher w/ access to all kinds of resources. That phone can digitally transmit its location coordinates to the dispatcher who can send help to those precise coordinates and no one needs to remember or speak any numbers (or location words) in order for that to transpire. -- Mike Easter |
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On Sun, 17 Nov 2019 10:16:44 -0800, Mike Easter
wrote: David wrote: Once the three words have been passed to the rescue agencies there is no need for ANY electronic equipment to be functional on or near the person(s) requiring assistance. - it seems to me that one needs to have such as a phone both to 'determine' one's location AND to convey one's location to the help agency Exactly. It's a GPS. - it further seems to me that if one has such an electronic device for receiving coordinates and for transmitting the info, that 'device' /language/ is perfectly satisfactory; there is not NEED for 'human' language, ie words are unnecessary But the agencies have to PAY to use the service. That's why it's a scam. A simple app that sent GPS coordinates along with a short text describing the "danger" would be much faster, and cheaper. Nice of you to spoon-feed BD. He had NO idea (probably still doesn't - he didn't read the specs) before posting the phish, and he certainly won't admit he was spamming. Expect a "noted" or "thank you for your views". --------------- BD: I want people to "get to know me better. I have nothing to hide". I'm always here to help, this page was put up at BD's request, rather, he said "Do it *NOW*!": http://tekrider.net/pages/david-brooks-stalker.php 60 confirmed #FAKE_NYMS, most used in cybercrimes! Google "David Brooks Devon" []'s -- Don't be evil - Google 2004 We have a new policy - Google 2012 |
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David wrote:
*Is what3words open source like some other geo platforms and services*? The short answer is simply NO. The long answer the company provides is because there is a battle between w3w and opensource advocates. The FOSS folks have reverse-engineered the algos and provided FOSS alternatives to w3w. The w3w company is fighting this in social media and otherwise, w/ such as DMCA takedowns of anything promoting any w3w FOSS alternatives such as whatfreewords and others. I understand the concept that if you invent something and you invest money in it and apply for a patent for the core tech that one has to fight the FOSS forces. Their patent application goes back to 2013 as does the company and significant venture investing. There is another thread around here about OpenStreetMap, which is a FOSS type project, so they 'don't like' w3w, as they say in their wiki https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/ind...&oldid=1421526 What3Words is a commercial, non-open, patented addressing schema. Open data advocates (such as the OpenStreetMap community) would generally advise against adopting it all, and we do not add What3Words identifiers into OpenStreetMap. -- Mike Easter |
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On 17/11/2019 21:28, Mike Easter wrote:
David wrote: *Is what3words open source like some other geo platforms and services*? The short answer is simply NO. The long answer the company provides is because there is a battle between w3w and opensource advocates.Â* The FOSS folks have reverse-engineered the algos and provided FOSS alternatives to w3w. The w3w company is fighting this in social media and otherwise, w/ such as DMCA takedowns of anything promoting any w3w FOSS alternatives such as whatfreewords and others. I understand the concept that if you invent something and you invest money in it and apply for a patent for the core tech that one has to fight the FOSS forces.Â* Their patent application goes back to 2013 as does the company and significant venture investing. There is another thread around here about OpenStreetMap, which is a FOSS type project, so they 'don't like' w3w, as they say in their wiki https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/ind...&oldid=1421526 Â*What3Words is a commercial, non-open, patented addressing schema. Open data advocates (such as the OpenStreetMap community) would generally advise against adopting it all, and we do not add What3Words identifiers into OpenStreetMap. The facility has been approved by Apple and is available free of charge in the Apple App Sto- https://apps.apple.com/gb/app/what3w...82771079?mt=12 I hope this helps. |
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OT - What3words: The app that can save your life
In article , Mike Easter
wrote: much less with three words than a bunch of digits. *IF* some circumstance required a human to need to remember a word or 3 words, it would be better to do that than remember or 'repeat' a long string of numbers. that's exactly the point. That is not *exactly* the point. You are creating 'your own' scenario, while the original issue/ example was quite different from that. the original scenario is just one of many, many possibilities where what3words is a *much* easier and a far more human-friendly solution. and it's not just numbers. instead telling someone to meet you at 'the southwest corner of the park, near the fountain', or 'head north on the beach a bit', you can tell them three words and they will find the *exact* location, within a few feet. In that particular *different* scenario than the original, now the recipient of the information MUST integrate the precise and correct interpretation of the words you transmitted somehow, perhaps verbally, but in addition, they must possess a working device into which they must 'laboriously' tap in those words hopefully correctly w/o any typos whatsoever and then the device must be able to access the database which will properly map that word/coordinate onto a map. nearly everyone has such a device, which they would also need if gps coordinates were given, or even just to pull up a map of the area and find out how to get to the southwest corner from wherever they are. in some cases a street address of a building is not where the actual entrance is, which might be around the corner. this is very common with hospitals, where the main entrance and emergency entrance are not always near each other, and may even differ from the business address. That particular issue is very well known from everyone from uber drivers to emergency responders. An address is not an exact location, particularly when an address has numerous/ myriad/ far flung locations both horizontally and vertically. most hospital visitors are *not* uber drivers or emergency responders and not all such buildings are hospitals. what3words makes it trivial to find the appropriate part of the building, versus a street address. *BUT* that is a strawman argument, in the scenario I envision. there is no strawman. The human does NOT need to remember or repeat any words or numbers at all, so the IF circumstance above does not apply (here). not every instance is a mobile device sending a packet of data to someone capable of automatically mapping said data. The specific instance which we began talking about is hikers lost w/ a phone w/ connectivity requesting aid from a dispatcher w/ access to all kinds of resources. That phone can digitally transmit its location coordinates to the dispatcher who can send help to those precise coordinates and no one needs to remember or speak any numbers (or location words) in order for that to transpire. it can, but it's just one of numerous possibilities |
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David wrote:
The facility has been approved by Apple and is available free of charge in the Apple App Sto- https://apps.apple.com/gb/app/what3w...82771079?mt=12 You don't have to be FOSS to be approved by Apple. You can also be a free app to the users public and still be a commercial proprietary product. They'll be charging the various business and other entities. "its revenue comes from charging businesses for high-volume use of the API that converts between 3 words and coordinates; " Personally, I think such as whatfreewords should be able to produce a similar product without limitation. There have been other geocodes for the earth for years and years in the public domain. -- Mike Easter |
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On 17/11/2019 23:00, Mike Easter wrote:
David wrote: The facility has been approved by Apple and is available free of charge in the Apple App Sto- https://apps.apple.com/gb/app/what3w...82771079?mt=12 You don't have to be FOSS to be approved by Apple.Â* You can also be a free app to the users public and still be a commercial proprietary product.Â* They'll be charging the various business and other entities. "its revenue comes from charging businesses for high-volume use of the API that converts between 3 words and coordinates; " Personally, I think such as whatfreewords should be able to produce a similar product without limitation.Â* There have been other geocodes for the earth for years and years in the public domain. Don't shoot me - I'm just the messenger! ;-) |
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David wrote:
Don't shoot me - I'm just the messenger! ;-) When you post words in a manner that appears to be as if you said them, then you have to *own* them. That is if you *appear* to be the speaker then you are the speaker. If you want to cite, then you should give clear and distinct what is being cited. In your case, you typically have NOTHING to say that you paste. -- Mike Easter |
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On 17/11/2019 23:19, Mike Easter wrote:
In your case, you typically have NOTHING to say that you paste. That is very badly written, Mike Easter! :-P (in a friendly manner!) I've written, not pasted, a longish message to Apd this evening (here in the UK it's my bed time!). You should be used to how I do things after all our years of correspondence! |
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Mike Easter wrote:
Personally, I think such as whatfreewords should be able to produce a similar product without limitation.Â* There have been other geocodes for the earth for years and years in the public domain. Here's a long discussion about whatfreewords and the limitation issues: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21196402 What’s going on with WhatFreeWords? -- Mike Easter |
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