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Hi All,
I have a customer who should back up her pictures. They are very dear to her. About 600 GB of them on a laptop Problem: 1) cloud backup gives her the creeps. 2) she doesn't have the technical skills to operate an external backup drive or the temperament to learn. A) She likes to move her laptop around and any external drive would get unhooked and not rehooked very quickly. She would not know/remember how to plug the thing back in. B) Giving her an icon to click on to initiate her backup is over her head. C) any continuous backup would require the drive be plugged in Would a NAS (Network Attached Storage) backup work? Is there software for a NAS drive that is not proprietary (you can read the files with any file browser, etc.)? A NAS backup would have to automatically attach and reattach whenever she entered and exited her wireless network. So what to do? You guys have any recommendations? Part of me just wants to give up. Many thanks, -T |
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Il giorno Tue 19 Jan 2016 11:49:32a, *T* inviava su alt.windows7.general il
messaggio . Vediamo cosa scrisse: Would a NAS (Network Attached Storage) backup work? Is there software for a NAS drive that is not proprietary (you can read the files with any file browser, etc.)? yes, why not? we use a Fujitsu Celvin Q700 as backup (2+2 Tb, RAID 1), running Cobian Backup on the windows clients Cobian can run on a timer-base, i.e. every 180 min, as incremental backup, thus saving a lot of time (after the very first run) A NAS backup would have to automatically attach and reattach whenever she entered and exited her wireless network. afaik yes, you map it with a letter, i.e. K:, and set it to reconnect on startup; if you miss the connection because you leave the house/office, it will be restored automatically by windows on the first access -- /-\ /\/\ /\/\ /-\ /\/\ /\/\ /-\ T /-\ -=- -=- -=- -=- -=- -=- -=- -=- - -=- http://www.bb2002.it ............ [ al lavoro ] ........... |
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T wrote:
Hi All, I have a customer who should back up her pictures. They are very dear to her. About 600 GB of them on a laptop Problem: 1) cloud backup gives her the creeps. 2) she doesn't have the technical skills to operate an external backup drive or the temperament to learn. A) She likes to move her laptop around and any external drive would get unhooked and not rehooked very quickly. She would not know/remember how to plug the thing back in. B) Giving her an icon to click on to initiate her backup is over her head. C) any continuous backup would require the drive be plugged in Would a NAS (Network Attached Storage) backup work? Is there software for a NAS drive that is not proprietary (you can read the files with any file browser, etc.)? A NAS backup would have to automatically attach and reattach whenever she entered and exited her wireless network. So what to do? You guys have any recommendations? Part of me just wants to give up. Many thanks, -T I think a NAS is an excellent idea, from the point of view of "laptop theft". I had an on-device solution in mind, but I think your idea has better characteristics. There should be physical separation between the storage device and the laptop, in case the laptop is dropped, or the laptop is stolen. I have no idea what kind of software to use. Scheduling backups is one thing, but having them trigger when "the NAS is within ear-shot", I don't know how you do that. And you don't want "sync" software either. You want a "backup" solution instead. One couple lost their files, when they got CryptoLocker on their computer, and Dropbox synced the now-encrypted files, over top of what they thought would be their "safe" copies. So syncing files is not a safe way to do backups. You want actual backups for that. So your idea looks fine - you just need to find the software to do it. Paul |
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On 1/19/16 4:57 AM, Paul wrote:
And you don't want "sync" software either. You want a "backup" solution instead. One couple lost their files, when they got CryptoLocker on their computer, and Dropbox synced the now-encrypted files, over top of what they thought would be their "safe" copies. So syncing files is not a safe way to do backups. You want actual backups for that. Sure glad you mentioned this, Paul. I'm mostly anti-cloud, I believe in taking care of my own information, not putting it into someone else's hands. This gives me another "arrow in my quiver" for reasons not to use the cloud for backup. Expanding on this, could it not also be a problem with both File History (Windows) and Time Machine (OS X)? -- Ken Mac OS X 10.8.5 Firefox 42.0 Thunderbird 38.0.1 "My brain is like lightning, a quick flash and it's gone!" |
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"T" wrote in message ...
I have a customer who should back up her pictures. They are very dear to her. About 600 GB of them on a laptop For speed as well as security, you can copy all to two DVDs, and tackle her other problems at a later date. -- Don Phillipson Carlsbad Springs (Ottawa, Canada) |
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On 19/01/2016 16:33, Don Phillipson wrote:
"T" wrote in message ... I have a customer who should back up her pictures. They are very dear to her. About 600 GB of them on a laptop For speed as well as security, you can copy all to two DVDs, and tackle her other problems at a later date. 600GB on two DVDs!!! How is this possible? -- /*This post contains rich text (HTML). if you don't like it then you can kill-filter the poster without crying about it like a small baby so that you don't see this poster's posts ever again.*/ /*This message is best read in Mozilla Thunderbird as it uses 21st century technology.*/ |
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On 19/01/2016 11:05, Dave Doe wrote:
But back to cloud backup - it's just so simple. And secure? - how about Mega... https://mega.nz/ I think Amazon's AWS service would be the best and very cost effective. amzn.to/1RRl60L Pricing: https://aws.amazon.com/s3/pricing/ -- /*This post contains rich text (HTML). if you don't like it then you can kill-filter the poster without crying about it like a small baby so that you don't see this poster's posts ever again.*/ /*This message is best read in Mozilla Thunderbird as it uses 21st century technology.*/ |
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On 19/01/2016 15:14, Ken Springer wrote:
I believe in taking care of my own information, not putting it into someone else's hands. This gives me another "arrow in my quiver" for reasons not to use the cloud for backup. It's dangerous for an old man to ignore help. The danger lies not only for the old man but to the general public. These zombies going around on our crowded streets without regard to other members of the public. Why do I have to slow down for these zombies? Go an get yourself Microsoft cloud and see for yourself how wonderful it is. -- /*This post contains rich text (HTML). if you don't like it then you can kill-filter the poster without crying about it like a small baby so that you don't see this poster's posts ever again.*/ /*This message is best read in Mozilla Thunderbird as it uses 21st century technology.*/ |
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On 19/01/2016 17:00, Good Guy wrote:
On 19/01/2016 11:05, Dave Doe wrote: But back to cloud backup - it's just so simple. And secure? - how about Mega... https://mega.nz/ I think Amazon's AWS service would be the best and very cost effective. amzn.to/1RRl60L */This should be a link: http://amzn.to/1RRl60L /* |
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On Tue, 19 Jan 2016 08:14:44 -0700, Ken Springer
wrote: On 1/19/16 4:57 AM, Paul wrote: And you don't want "sync" software either. You want a "backup" solution instead. One couple lost their files, when they got CryptoLocker on their computer, and Dropbox synced the now-encrypted files, over top of what they thought would be their "safe" copies. So syncing files is not a safe way to do backups. You want actual backups for that. Sure glad you mentioned this, Paul. I'm mostly anti-cloud, I believe in taking care of my own information, not putting it into someone else's hands. This gives me another "arrow in my quiver" for reasons not to use the cloud for backup. I'm not personally sold on cloud storage for other reasons, but what Paul described is basically a configuration issue and not something that's limited to cloud storage. It could just as easily have happened in a LAN environment. Are you going to stop using LAN-based backup storage and limit yourself to directly-attached storage? Well, guess what, it can happen there, as well. The point is to be careful (and in this case, learn from others!). -- Char Jackson |
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Char Jackson wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jan 2016 08:14:44 -0700, Ken Springer wrote: On 1/19/16 4:57 AM, Paul wrote: And you don't want "sync" software either. You want a "backup" solution instead. One couple lost their files, when they got CryptoLocker on their computer, and Dropbox synced the now-encrypted files, over top of what they thought would be their "safe" copies. So syncing files is not a safe way to do backups. You want actual backups for that. Sure glad you mentioned this, Paul. I'm mostly anti-cloud, I believe in taking care of my own information, not putting it into someone else's hands. This gives me another "arrow in my quiver" for reasons not to use the cloud for backup. I'm not personally sold on cloud storage for other reasons, but what Paul described is basically a configuration issue and not something that's limited to cloud storage. It could just as easily have happened in a LAN environment. Are you going to stop using LAN-based backup storage and limit yourself to directly-attached storage? Well, guess what, it can happen there, as well. The point is to be careful (and in this case, learn from others!). Although the probability is low of running into trouble, you really want a backup device that stays offline most of the time. If you got Sality on one computer, in no time at all, it could spread to all the machines. It's times like that, I would be wishing for my backup image drive to be offline and out of reach, until I can figure out how to clean the whole house of the problem. You could set up the NAS, so files are written to a folder but cannot be read or listed. But I don't know how backup software feels about a set of permissions like that. Paul |
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Per T:
2) she doesn't have the technical skills to operate an external backup drive or the temperament to learn. ...... B) Giving her an icon to click on to initiate her backup is over her head. That sounds like a situation I would *not* want to embed myself in. It's like being a "second" to an old-time Samurai's suicide: nothing good can come of it, and if things go wrong you look bad. I used to go on-and-on about backup with people like that - stone technophobes who actively resist learning how to do anything - but I have since seen the light and just keep my mouth shut..... Better let the person attach themselves to somebody else. -- Pete Cresswell |
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On 01/19/2016 12:43 PM, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per T: 2) she doesn't have the technical skills to operate an external backup drive or the temperament to learn. ..... B) Giving her an icon to click on to initiate her backup is over her head. That sounds like a situation I would *not* want to embed myself in. It's like being a "second" to an old-time Samurai's suicide: nothing good can come of it, and if things go wrong you look bad. I used to go on-and-on about backup with people like that - stone technophobes who actively resist learning how to do anything - but I have since seen the light and just keep my mouth shut..... Better let the person attach themselves to somebody else. The never ending recession is eating me alive. I have to work for somebody! |
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Per T:
The never ending recession is eating me alive. I have to work for somebody! Then I would lean on her hard to use one of the Cloud solutions - one where you set it up and, as long as the user does not explicitly do something to kill it, it just keeps on running. I would also make sure I had the ID/PW: - So I could check up every so often to verify it was still running - To facilitate Q&A with the user. -- Pete Cresswell |
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