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  #16  
Old February 22nd 12, 07:06 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Mayayana
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| If you read posts in a real newsreader instead
| of reading via webpages then you'll be able to see
| the thread and posting order.
|
|
| I read them in Seamonkey and see no thread or posting order.

You mean for this thread or for all? I'm using
Outlook Express. It looks normal to me. If you
can't see the "thread tree" for any posts then
you might consider getting another reader. Not
showing the thread structure would pretty much
defeat the purpose of a news reader.

There was a discussion about news readers
recently. See the thread "Newsgroups" from 2/13.
I've also seen MesNews highly recommended, which
I don't think was mentioned in that thread. OE has
always been fine for me, so I don't really know
much about other readers.


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  #17  
Old February 22nd 12, 07:12 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Char Jackson wrote:

On Wed, 22 Feb 2012 10:25:35 -0500, "Mayayana"
wrote:

| http://support.microsoft.com/kb/813711
|
| I upped mine to 8000. Note that I've seen this data item's name
| referenced as "BagMRU Size" and "Bag MRU Size". I've added both since
| whichever is the wrong one won't have an effect.

There are several issues going on there. One is the
option to increase the cache limit for remembering
folder settings. If you really open 8,000 folders then
there's no reason not to set the cache that big, but
just picking a gigantic number won't provide any
improvement.


snip

Your posts are all missing an attribution line. Who are you replying
to?


He wants you to bounce your eyes between the message view pane and the
headers list pane to figure out who said what. If you open the message
into its own window, the headers list is probably obliterated so you
have to use Alt+Tab to see who said what. Since OE does add the
attribution lines, Mayayana is taking the extra effort to strip them
out.
  #18  
Old February 22nd 12, 07:17 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
VanguardLH[_2_]
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VanguardLH wrote:

J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

I _NEVER_ want the large icons view - I want "details".

From time to time - difficult to pin down a common cause - I end up with
an icons view, especially if I've looked at one of the top-level
pseudofolders, such as "My Documents". Trouble is, if I drill down from
there to - well, for example, currently
D:\genealog.y\PETER\!pending\Gilliver - the view _remains_ on large
icons.

Any suggestions, other than live with it? I know about Make All Folders
Like This One, and so on - doesn't work (at least not for ever).


http://support.microsoft.com/kb/813711

I upped mine to 8000. Note that I've seen this data item's name
referenced as "BagMRU Size" and "Bag MRU Size". I've added both since
whichever is the wrong one won't have an effect.

If you don't want to edit the registry, use the TweakUI powertoy for
Windows XP (under the Explorer - Customizations tree node) to alter the
value. That modifies the the "Bag MRU Size" (with space between "Bag"
and "MRU") data item in the registry hence why I have both data items
defined there. Microsoft says "BagMRU Size" into the KB articles but
TweakUI and other tweakers create and modify "Bag MRU Size".

Note that increasing this cache size merely extends how long before
customizations get lost. If you have more than 8000 folders than
increase this value further. I don't know what is its max value but I'm
sure there is one (after all, DWORD values in the registry can have up
to a max of 8 hexidemcal digits for a max value of FFFFFFFF hex or
4,294,967,295 decimal).

When I run "cd /d c:\" and then "dir /ad /s" in a command shell (aka DOS
prompt), the total directory (folder) count is over 21,000. Yet I've
not noticed loss of folder customizations after upping the count to
8000. That's probably this value only applies to customized folders and
I haven't done that much that I can recall.


I just remember another cause for losing customization of a folder is
deleting its desktop.ini file, if it exists. If you configured Windows
Explorer to show system files then desktop.ini will be visible. That
means you could accidentally delete that file, like when using Ctrl+A to
select all files or dragging across a bunch of files and including that
file. Another cause is a user or app removing the read-only attribute
on a file (that attribute tells Windows to look for the desktop.ini
file).

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/812003
"Windows may also store customization information in a hidden
desktop.ini file in the folder. ..."
  #19  
Old February 22nd 12, 07:18 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Mayayana wrote:

| You'll notice the description for that utility says:
|
| Windows stores settings for up to 5,000 folders and then ignores them!
|
| Wrong.

I don't claim to be a genius, but I have done extensive
research on this particular topic. See my other post.

You're often quick to just slam people with "Wrong!".
It's not up to me to lecture you on the value of diplomacy
and manners, but if you enjoy being smug you should
at least make sure you're absolutely right in your position
before hitting other people over the head with your
"victory proclamation". It will not only help your public
image, but will also be more helpful to people reading
your answers.


In your other post, you do not contradict that enlarging the cache will
result in saving more folder customizations. You said here that Windows
ignores after 5000. Well, if that were true then upping the cache size
would have absolutely no effect. Since the cache can be increased above
5000, your statement here was wrong. You contravened it yourself in
your other post.
  #20  
Old February 22nd 12, 07:33 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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| I just remember another cause for losing customization of a folder is
| deleting its desktop.ini file, if it exists.

Yes, but customization (such as assigning a custom
icon to a single folder) should not be confused with
folder view style. They're two different things. The
desktop.ini file is involved because the custom setting
is actually stored there. It's not stored in the "bags"
keys.


  #21  
Old February 22nd 12, 07:38 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Mayayana
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| | I read them in Seamonkey and see no thread or posting order.
|

| For this thread only.

Strange. And you appear to be using eternal-september,
which is the service I use. Occasionally I'll see response
posts without seeing the original. I've never figured out
what causes that. Though it seems like it used to happen
far more often when I was reading via msnews.


  #22  
Old February 22nd 12, 08:30 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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| You said here that Windows
| ignores after 5000. Well, if that were true then upping the cache size
| would have absolutely no effect. Since the cache can be increased above
| 5000, your statement here was wrong.

I think this cache limit thing is creating unnecessary
confusion. It's a red herring issue.

The webpage says Explorer ignores up to 5,000 settings
because the default cache limit value (as of SP2, I think)
is 5,000.

That statement was not meant to imply that you can't
change the default cache size. The page is not addressing
the issue of cache size adjustments at all. It means,
"Can you believe it?! Explorer is storing thousands of folder
settings and then ignoring all of them!"

So, yes, you can increase the cache size. I don't
doubt that setting it to 8,000 gives you a limit of
8,000. But in most cases people are not opening
over 5,000 folders, so that's not an issue. The webpage
you found applies to earlier XP, which originally had
a cache limit of 400. The limit of 400 *was* often
an issue.

Are we clear now? If you fixed icon/details/list display
by deleting all of those bags keys and re-setting the
BagMRU Size value to 8,000 then it's almost certain
that the fix was due to deleting the cache and not
due to setting BagMRU Size to 8,000. (The only way it
could have been the latter would be if you had opened
over 5,000 distinct folders.)


  #23  
Old February 22nd 12, 08:43 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Char Jackson
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On Wed, 22 Feb 2012 12:12:17 -0600, VanguardLH wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:

On Wed, 22 Feb 2012 10:25:35 -0500, "Mayayana"
wrote:

Your posts are all missing an attribution line. Who are you replying
to?


He wants you to bounce your eyes between the message view pane and the
headers list pane to figure out who said what. If you open the message
into its own window, the headers list is probably obliterated so you
have to use Alt+Tab to see who said what. Since OE does add the
attribution lines, Mayayana is taking the extra effort to strip them
out.


It has always been beyond me why someone would go out of their way to
make their posts harder to read. I usually chalk it up to ignorance,
arrogance, or selfishness, but I really don't know.

  #24  
Old February 22nd 12, 08:44 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Char Jackson
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On Wed, 22 Feb 2012 11:20:06 -0500, "Mayayana"
wrote:

| Your posts are all missing an attribution line. Who are you replying
| to?

If you read posts in a real newsreader instead
of reading via webpages then you'll be able to see
the thread and posting order.


If you're able to read headers, you know I'm not using a web
interface. I hope you'll eventually get with the program.

  #25  
Old February 22nd 12, 09:58 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)
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In message , Mayayana ---
writes: ---
| I just remember another cause for losing customization of a folder is
| deleting its desktop.ini file, if it exists.

Yes, but customization (such as assigning a custom
icon to a single folder) should not be confused with
folder view style. They're two different things. The
desktop.ini file is involved because the custom setting
is actually stored there. It's not stored in the "bags"
keys.


Hmm. All I want is that whenever and however I open Explorer, I get two
panes - a tree view in the left pane, and a details view in the right
pane. I don't really mind what size the window is (unless it's tiny or
huge), and I don't mind if any folder has a special icon.

By the way - the lines I've marked "---" are what some people are
calling attribution lines. Mayayana, are you deliberately removing them?
(Without them, it looks as if you Mayayana said "I just remember ..."
above, whereas I know that in fact what you said began at "Yes". And I
now can't tell who said the bit before. If someone posts a followup to
this post in most readers, it will start with something like "G6JPG said
....").
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  #26  
Old February 22nd 12, 11:25 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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| Hmm. All I want is that whenever and however I open Explorer, I get two
| panes - a tree view in the left pane, and a details view in the right
| pane. I don't really mind what size the window is (unless it's tiny or
| huge), and I don't mind if any folder has a special icon.
|

You thought it would be simple, did you?

| By the way - the lines I've marked "---" are what some people are
| calling attribution lines.

Yes, I understand.

| Mayayana, are you deliberately removing them?

Yes.

| (Without them, it looks as if you Mayayana said "I just remember ..."

Yes. Not so good, huh? Even with them in it can get
very confusing. And what a mess on the reposting websites,
where whole threads full of get reprinted over and
over down the page.

People have different approaches. People
who started out with console mode often like to include
the entire thread in each post. To me that's sloppy and
outdated. I have to scroll down through a pile of muck
to find the new post.

I take the approach that since I'm using a modern GUI
and people can easily glance at earlier posts for reference,
a post should be written as neatly and clearly as possible,
using only as much quoted text as necessary. Newsreaders
now have a "treeview" layout and PCs have a mouse. It's
no longer a scrolling console. There's no reason that people
can't easily figure out who' replying to whom. It's
graphically displayed.

I'm not going to get into a long debate about this. I find
that there are several ways people like to post, and 95%
of people (including me) tolerate all of them without
quibble. Then there are the "usenet fascists" who just
insist that everyone has to do things their way. Some of
them will even start quoting alleged rules from the early
days of the Internet. We all have better things to do than
to reason with obsessive compulsives. Anyone who can't
tolerate my posts doesn't have to read my posts.

(Personally I think it's a bit rude to add thumbnail philosophy,
advertising, resume, etc., like a graffiti postscript,
to every post, but I wasn't going to say anything.


  #27  
Old February 22nd 12, 11:36 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Mayayana wrote:
If you read posts in a real newsreader instead
of reading via webpages then you'll be able to see
the thread and posting order.


I read them in Seamonkey and see no thread or posting order.


You mean for this thread or for all? I'm using
Outlook Express. It looks normal to me. If you
can't see the "thread tree" for any posts then
you might consider getting another reader. Not
showing the thread structure would pretty much
defeat the purpose of a news reader.


For this thread, and I think it's happened for some other threads, too.
I'm using OE, and have noticed that your posts sometimes are missing the
attributions (who said what is missing), so it's hard to follow.

NOTE: "Mayayana wrote:" at the very top of this post was ONLY added by MY
reply to you here in OE - it was NOT in the original thread that I am
quoting here. I don't know what settings you are using in OE or
OE-QuoteFix that cause this, however. It seems like it's being stripped out
in your replies, making it harder to follow the thread. I think we all can
agree it's a better idea to have the original requoted in the thread to see
what is being replied to.


  #28  
Old February 22nd 12, 11:50 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Mayayana wrote:
Hmm. All I want is that whenever and however I open Explorer, I get two
panes - a tree view in the left pane, and a details view in the right
pane. I don't really mind what size the window is (unless it's tiny or
huge), and I don't mind if any folder has a special icon.


You thought it would be simple, did you?

By the way - the lines I've marked "---" are what some people are
calling attribution lines.


Yes, I understand.

Mayayana, are you deliberately removing them?


Yes.


I don't get why. More on that below. It just obfuscates things.

(Without them, it looks as if you Mayayana said "I just remember ..."


Yes. Not so good, huh? Even with them in it can get
very confusing. And what a mess on the reposting websites,
where whole threads full of get reprinted over and
over down the page.

People have different approaches. People
who started out with console mode often like to include
the entire thread in each post. To me that's sloppy and
outdated. I have to scroll down through a pile of muck
to find the new post.


Scrolling down is infinitely easier than having several panes or windows
open to see who said what. It's all there in one spot - where it should be
(self-contained).

I take the approach that since I'm using a modern GUI
and people can easily glance at earlier posts for reference,
a post should be written as neatly and clearly as possible,
using only as much quoted text as necessary. Newsreaders
now have a "treeview" layout and PCs have a mouse. It's
no longer a scrolling console. There's no reason that people
can't easily figure out who' replying to whom. It's
graphically displayed.


I guess I don't get what you are talking about. I open OE and try to read
each thread individually in that one window, as one would expect, and can't
see the attributions. Are you suggesting we have to open several panes or
windows just to follow each thread with attributions? THAT seems a bit
primitive to me. :-)


  #29  
Old February 23rd 12, 01:24 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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In message , Mayayana
writes:
| Hmm. All I want is that whenever and however I open Explorer, I get two
| panes - a tree view in the left pane, and a details view in the right
| pane. I don't really mind what size the window is (unless it's tiny or
| huge), and I don't mind if any folder has a special icon.
|

You thought it would be simple, did you?


(-:
[]
| Mayayana, are you deliberately removing them?

Yes.

| (Without them, it looks as if you Mayayana said "I just remember ..."

Yes. Not so good, huh? Even with them in it can get
very confusing. And what a mess on the reposting websites,
where whole threads full of get reprinted over and
over down the page.


Yes.

People have different approaches. People
who started out with console mode often like to include
the entire thread in each post. To me that's sloppy and
outdated. I have to scroll down through a pile of muck
to find the new post.


Me too. I delete large chunks of what I'm replying to - and if I end up
deleting all of the contributions from a given person, I delete that
person's attribution line, too.

I take the approach that since I'm using a modern GUI
and people can easily glance at earlier posts for reference,
a post should be written as neatly and clearly as possible,
using only as much quoted text as necessary. Newsreaders


Definitely agree there.

now have a "treeview" layout and PCs have a mouse. It's
no longer a scrolling console. There's no reason that people
can't easily figure out who' replying to whom. It's
graphically displayed.


Ah, there I don't agree. It's easier to see who said what if you _don't_
have to poke around lots of places, if it's all in the post you're
reading. I do agree with you that spurious stuff should be deleted, and
far too few people do that.

I'm not going to get into a long debate about this. I find
that there are several ways people like to post, and 95%
of people (including me) tolerate all of them without
quibble. Then there are the "usenet fascists" who just
insist that everyone has to do things their way. Some of


I try through persuasion rather than fascism.
[]
to reason with obsessive compulsives. Anyone who can't
tolerate my posts doesn't have to read my posts.


Yes, but you post helpful stuff; I don't want to miss on that (-:.

(Personally I think it's a bit rude to add thumbnail philosophy,
advertising, resume, etc., like a graffiti postscript,
to every post, but I wasn't going to say anything.

If it's in a signature, it should be cut off and not requoted by any
reputable news client (i. e. that recognises the "-- " line).

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Old February 23rd 12, 02:29 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Char Jackson
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On Wed, 22 Feb 2012 17:25:11 -0500, "Mayayana"
wrote:

| Hmm. All I want is that whenever and however I open Explorer, I get two
| panes - a tree view in the left pane, and a details view in the right
| pane. I don't really mind what size the window is (unless it's tiny or
| huge), and I don't mind if any folder has a special icon.


Who are you replying to?

| By the way - the lines I've marked "---" are what some people are
| calling attribution lines.

Yes, I understand.

| Mayayana, are you deliberately removing them?

Yes.

| (Without them, it looks as if you Mayayana said "I just remember ..."

Yes. Not so good, huh? Even with them in it can get
very confusing.


So your response is to add more confusion by removing them? That makes
no sense.

I'm not going to get into a long debate about this.


I don't plan to, either. Your quirky posting style (missing
attribution, non-standard quoting character, etc.) indicate that you
don't expect to be taken seriously.

 




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