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I keep getting large icons?
| If you read posts in a real newsreader instead
| of reading via webpages then you'll be able to see | the thread and posting order. | | | I read them in Seamonkey and see no thread or posting order. You mean for this thread or for all? I'm using Outlook Express. It looks normal to me. If you can't see the "thread tree" for any posts then you might consider getting another reader. Not showing the thread structure would pretty much defeat the purpose of a news reader. There was a discussion about news readers recently. See the thread "Newsgroups" from 2/13. I've also seen MesNews highly recommended, which I don't think was mentioned in that thread. OE has always been fine for me, so I don't really know much about other readers. |
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I keep getting large icons?
Char Jackson wrote:
On Wed, 22 Feb 2012 10:25:35 -0500, "Mayayana" wrote: | http://support.microsoft.com/kb/813711 | | I upped mine to 8000. Note that I've seen this data item's name | referenced as "BagMRU Size" and "Bag MRU Size". I've added both since | whichever is the wrong one won't have an effect. There are several issues going on there. One is the option to increase the cache limit for remembering folder settings. If you really open 8,000 folders then there's no reason not to set the cache that big, but just picking a gigantic number won't provide any improvement. snip Your posts are all missing an attribution line. Who are you replying to? He wants you to bounce your eyes between the message view pane and the headers list pane to figure out who said what. If you open the message into its own window, the headers list is probably obliterated so you have to use Alt+Tab to see who said what. Since OE does add the attribution lines, Mayayana is taking the extra effort to strip them out. |
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I keep getting large icons?
VanguardLH wrote:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: I _NEVER_ want the large icons view - I want "details". From time to time - difficult to pin down a common cause - I end up with an icons view, especially if I've looked at one of the top-level pseudofolders, such as "My Documents". Trouble is, if I drill down from there to - well, for example, currently D:\genealog.y\PETER\!pending\Gilliver - the view _remains_ on large icons. Any suggestions, other than live with it? I know about Make All Folders Like This One, and so on - doesn't work (at least not for ever). http://support.microsoft.com/kb/813711 I upped mine to 8000. Note that I've seen this data item's name referenced as "BagMRU Size" and "Bag MRU Size". I've added both since whichever is the wrong one won't have an effect. If you don't want to edit the registry, use the TweakUI powertoy for Windows XP (under the Explorer - Customizations tree node) to alter the value. That modifies the the "Bag MRU Size" (with space between "Bag" and "MRU") data item in the registry hence why I have both data items defined there. Microsoft says "BagMRU Size" into the KB articles but TweakUI and other tweakers create and modify "Bag MRU Size". Note that increasing this cache size merely extends how long before customizations get lost. If you have more than 8000 folders than increase this value further. I don't know what is its max value but I'm sure there is one (after all, DWORD values in the registry can have up to a max of 8 hexidemcal digits for a max value of FFFFFFFF hex or 4,294,967,295 decimal). When I run "cd /d c:\" and then "dir /ad /s" in a command shell (aka DOS prompt), the total directory (folder) count is over 21,000. Yet I've not noticed loss of folder customizations after upping the count to 8000. That's probably this value only applies to customized folders and I haven't done that much that I can recall. I just remember another cause for losing customization of a folder is deleting its desktop.ini file, if it exists. If you configured Windows Explorer to show system files then desktop.ini will be visible. That means you could accidentally delete that file, like when using Ctrl+A to select all files or dragging across a bunch of files and including that file. Another cause is a user or app removing the read-only attribute on a file (that attribute tells Windows to look for the desktop.ini file). http://support.microsoft.com/kb/812003 "Windows may also store customization information in a hidden desktop.ini file in the folder. ..." |
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Mayayana wrote:
| You'll notice the description for that utility says: | | Windows stores settings for up to 5,000 folders and then ignores them! | | Wrong. I don't claim to be a genius, but I have done extensive research on this particular topic. See my other post. You're often quick to just slam people with "Wrong!". It's not up to me to lecture you on the value of diplomacy and manners, but if you enjoy being smug you should at least make sure you're absolutely right in your position before hitting other people over the head with your "victory proclamation". It will not only help your public image, but will also be more helpful to people reading your answers. In your other post, you do not contradict that enlarging the cache will result in saving more folder customizations. You said here that Windows ignores after 5000. Well, if that were true then upping the cache size would have absolutely no effect. Since the cache can be increased above 5000, your statement here was wrong. You contravened it yourself in your other post. |
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| I just remember another cause for losing customization of a folder is
| deleting its desktop.ini file, if it exists. Yes, but customization (such as assigning a custom icon to a single folder) should not be confused with folder view style. They're two different things. The desktop.ini file is involved because the custom setting is actually stored there. It's not stored in the "bags" keys. |
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| | I read them in Seamonkey and see no thread or posting order.
| | For this thread only. Strange. And you appear to be using eternal-september, which is the service I use. Occasionally I'll see response posts without seeing the original. I've never figured out what causes that. Though it seems like it used to happen far more often when I was reading via msnews. |
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| You said here that Windows | ignores after 5000. Well, if that were true then upping the cache size | would have absolutely no effect. Since the cache can be increased above | 5000, your statement here was wrong. I think this cache limit thing is creating unnecessary confusion. It's a red herring issue. The webpage says Explorer ignores up to 5,000 settings because the default cache limit value (as of SP2, I think) is 5,000. That statement was not meant to imply that you can't change the default cache size. The page is not addressing the issue of cache size adjustments at all. It means, "Can you believe it?! Explorer is storing thousands of folder settings and then ignoring all of them!" So, yes, you can increase the cache size. I don't doubt that setting it to 8,000 gives you a limit of 8,000. But in most cases people are not opening over 5,000 folders, so that's not an issue. The webpage you found applies to earlier XP, which originally had a cache limit of 400. The limit of 400 *was* often an issue. Are we clear now? If you fixed icon/details/list display by deleting all of those bags keys and re-setting the BagMRU Size value to 8,000 then it's almost certain that the fix was due to deleting the cache and not due to setting BagMRU Size to 8,000. (The only way it could have been the latter would be if you had opened over 5,000 distinct folders.) |
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On Wed, 22 Feb 2012 12:12:17 -0600, VanguardLH wrote:
Char Jackson wrote: On Wed, 22 Feb 2012 10:25:35 -0500, "Mayayana" wrote: Your posts are all missing an attribution line. Who are you replying to? He wants you to bounce your eyes between the message view pane and the headers list pane to figure out who said what. If you open the message into its own window, the headers list is probably obliterated so you have to use Alt+Tab to see who said what. Since OE does add the attribution lines, Mayayana is taking the extra effort to strip them out. It has always been beyond me why someone would go out of their way to make their posts harder to read. I usually chalk it up to ignorance, arrogance, or selfishness, but I really don't know. |
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On Wed, 22 Feb 2012 11:20:06 -0500, "Mayayana"
wrote: | Your posts are all missing an attribution line. Who are you replying | to? If you read posts in a real newsreader instead of reading via webpages then you'll be able to see the thread and posting order. If you're able to read headers, you know I'm not using a web interface. I hope you'll eventually get with the program. |
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In message , Mayayana ---
writes: --- | I just remember another cause for losing customization of a folder is | deleting its desktop.ini file, if it exists. Yes, but customization (such as assigning a custom icon to a single folder) should not be confused with folder view style. They're two different things. The desktop.ini file is involved because the custom setting is actually stored there. It's not stored in the "bags" keys. Hmm. All I want is that whenever and however I open Explorer, I get two panes - a tree view in the left pane, and a details view in the right pane. I don't really mind what size the window is (unless it's tiny or huge), and I don't mind if any folder has a special icon. By the way - the lines I've marked "---" are what some people are calling attribution lines. Mayayana, are you deliberately removing them? (Without them, it looks as if you Mayayana said "I just remember ..." above, whereas I know that in fact what you said began at "Yes". And I now can't tell who said the bit before. If someone posts a followup to this post in most readers, it will start with something like "G6JPG said ...."). -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Try to learn something about everything and everything about something. -Thomas Henry Huxley, biologist (1825-1895) |
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| Hmm. All I want is that whenever and however I open Explorer, I get two
| panes - a tree view in the left pane, and a details view in the right | pane. I don't really mind what size the window is (unless it's tiny or | huge), and I don't mind if any folder has a special icon. | You thought it would be simple, did you? | By the way - the lines I've marked "---" are what some people are | calling attribution lines. Yes, I understand. | Mayayana, are you deliberately removing them? Yes. | (Without them, it looks as if you Mayayana said "I just remember ..." Yes. Not so good, huh? Even with them in it can get very confusing. And what a mess on the reposting websites, where whole threads full of get reprinted over and over down the page. People have different approaches. People who started out with console mode often like to include the entire thread in each post. To me that's sloppy and outdated. I have to scroll down through a pile of muck to find the new post. I take the approach that since I'm using a modern GUI and people can easily glance at earlier posts for reference, a post should be written as neatly and clearly as possible, using only as much quoted text as necessary. Newsreaders now have a "treeview" layout and PCs have a mouse. It's no longer a scrolling console. There's no reason that people can't easily figure out who' replying to whom. It's graphically displayed. I'm not going to get into a long debate about this. I find that there are several ways people like to post, and 95% of people (including me) tolerate all of them without quibble. Then there are the "usenet fascists" who just insist that everyone has to do things their way. Some of them will even start quoting alleged rules from the early days of the Internet. We all have better things to do than to reason with obsessive compulsives. Anyone who can't tolerate my posts doesn't have to read my posts. (Personally I think it's a bit rude to add thumbnail philosophy, advertising, resume, etc., like a graffiti postscript, to every post, but I wasn't going to say anything. |
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Mayayana wrote:
If you read posts in a real newsreader instead of reading via webpages then you'll be able to see the thread and posting order. I read them in Seamonkey and see no thread or posting order. You mean for this thread or for all? I'm using Outlook Express. It looks normal to me. If you can't see the "thread tree" for any posts then you might consider getting another reader. Not showing the thread structure would pretty much defeat the purpose of a news reader. For this thread, and I think it's happened for some other threads, too. I'm using OE, and have noticed that your posts sometimes are missing the attributions (who said what is missing), so it's hard to follow. NOTE: "Mayayana wrote:" at the very top of this post was ONLY added by MY reply to you here in OE - it was NOT in the original thread that I am quoting here. I don't know what settings you are using in OE or OE-QuoteFix that cause this, however. It seems like it's being stripped out in your replies, making it harder to follow the thread. I think we all can agree it's a better idea to have the original requoted in the thread to see what is being replied to. |
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Mayayana wrote:
Hmm. All I want is that whenever and however I open Explorer, I get two panes - a tree view in the left pane, and a details view in the right pane. I don't really mind what size the window is (unless it's tiny or huge), and I don't mind if any folder has a special icon. You thought it would be simple, did you? By the way - the lines I've marked "---" are what some people are calling attribution lines. Yes, I understand. Mayayana, are you deliberately removing them? Yes. I don't get why. More on that below. It just obfuscates things. (Without them, it looks as if you Mayayana said "I just remember ..." Yes. Not so good, huh? Even with them in it can get very confusing. And what a mess on the reposting websites, where whole threads full of get reprinted over and over down the page. People have different approaches. People who started out with console mode often like to include the entire thread in each post. To me that's sloppy and outdated. I have to scroll down through a pile of muck to find the new post. Scrolling down is infinitely easier than having several panes or windows open to see who said what. It's all there in one spot - where it should be (self-contained). I take the approach that since I'm using a modern GUI and people can easily glance at earlier posts for reference, a post should be written as neatly and clearly as possible, using only as much quoted text as necessary. Newsreaders now have a "treeview" layout and PCs have a mouse. It's no longer a scrolling console. There's no reason that people can't easily figure out who' replying to whom. It's graphically displayed. I guess I don't get what you are talking about. I open OE and try to read each thread individually in that one window, as one would expect, and can't see the attributions. Are you suggesting we have to open several panes or windows just to follow each thread with attributions? THAT seems a bit primitive to me. :-) |
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In message , Mayayana
writes: | Hmm. All I want is that whenever and however I open Explorer, I get two | panes - a tree view in the left pane, and a details view in the right | pane. I don't really mind what size the window is (unless it's tiny or | huge), and I don't mind if any folder has a special icon. | You thought it would be simple, did you? (-: [] | Mayayana, are you deliberately removing them? Yes. | (Without them, it looks as if you Mayayana said "I just remember ..." Yes. Not so good, huh? Even with them in it can get very confusing. And what a mess on the reposting websites, where whole threads full of get reprinted over and over down the page. Yes. People have different approaches. People who started out with console mode often like to include the entire thread in each post. To me that's sloppy and outdated. I have to scroll down through a pile of muck to find the new post. Me too. I delete large chunks of what I'm replying to - and if I end up deleting all of the contributions from a given person, I delete that person's attribution line, too. I take the approach that since I'm using a modern GUI and people can easily glance at earlier posts for reference, a post should be written as neatly and clearly as possible, using only as much quoted text as necessary. Newsreaders Definitely agree there. now have a "treeview" layout and PCs have a mouse. It's no longer a scrolling console. There's no reason that people can't easily figure out who' replying to whom. It's graphically displayed. Ah, there I don't agree. It's easier to see who said what if you _don't_ have to poke around lots of places, if it's all in the post you're reading. I do agree with you that spurious stuff should be deleted, and far too few people do that. I'm not going to get into a long debate about this. I find that there are several ways people like to post, and 95% of people (including me) tolerate all of them without quibble. Then there are the "usenet fascists" who just insist that everyone has to do things their way. Some of I try through persuasion rather than fascism. [] to reason with obsessive compulsives. Anyone who can't tolerate my posts doesn't have to read my posts. Yes, but you post helpful stuff; I don't want to miss on that (-:. (Personally I think it's a bit rude to add thumbnail philosophy, advertising, resume, etc., like a graffiti postscript, to every post, but I wasn't going to say anything. If it's in a signature, it should be cut off and not requoted by any reputable news client (i. e. that recognises the "-- " line). -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf To know how to hide one's ability is great skill. -Francois de La Rochefoucauld, writer (1613-1680) |
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On Wed, 22 Feb 2012 17:25:11 -0500, "Mayayana"
wrote: | Hmm. All I want is that whenever and however I open Explorer, I get two | panes - a tree view in the left pane, and a details view in the right | pane. I don't really mind what size the window is (unless it's tiny or | huge), and I don't mind if any folder has a special icon. Who are you replying to? | By the way - the lines I've marked "---" are what some people are | calling attribution lines. Yes, I understand. | Mayayana, are you deliberately removing them? Yes. | (Without them, it looks as if you Mayayana said "I just remember ..." Yes. Not so good, huh? Even with them in it can get very confusing. So your response is to add more confusion by removing them? That makes no sense. I'm not going to get into a long debate about this. I don't plan to, either. Your quirky posting style (missing attribution, non-standard quoting character, etc.) indicate that you don't expect to be taken seriously. |
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