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No Password Prompt at boot-time
Hi All My Laptop Acer Aspire 1830 was delivered with Windows-7. It was up dated to Windows-10. But now there is no password prompt after booting. Bios gaves me only the option to change the boot-order. There is nothing like windows-recovery or repair-install. I have only the old Windows-7-Recovery-DVD's. But I would like to repair my Windows-10. Any suggestions ? BTW : I'm only a PC-User. I did never a Windows-Recovery ore something else. With thanks in advance Reinhard |
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In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sat, 4 Feb 2017 22:54:10 +0100, Reinhard
Skarbal wrote: Hi All My Laptop Acer Aspire 1830 was delivered with Windows-7. It was up dated to Windows-10. But now there is no password prompt after booting. Bios gaves me only the option to change the boot-order. There is nothing like windows-recovery or repair-install. I have only the old Windows-7-Recovery-DVD's. But I would like to repair my Windows-10. Any suggestions ? The old list of startup options is available if you press F8 at the right time during boot-up. I press it over and over so I don't know when the right time is. I think maybe win10 makes a little noise when it receives the keystroke, which XP and earlier didn't do, but I could be wrong. If it's not F8, it's F10, but I'm pretty sure F10 gave me some other wield startup option that I was afraid to touch. The othe one, that is probably F8, gave me the list of command line, command line with networking, .... boot with debugging, ... last successful boot, but F10 had no choices, only one place to enter anything, and the screen was set for the oldest possible computer system, big tall letters The BIOS startup page lists how to get into the BIOS, how to reorder startup, and how to adjust starting remotely, but it doesn't get into how to start windows because windows is an add-on to the empty computer. So I think it strange that windows doesn't give one instructions on how to get to this page. It probably goes there automatically if you crash in a certain way, but I, in my last episode where I needed it, had crashed. And iiuc you hadn't either. I wonder if Win10 for Dummies says how to do this. BTW : I'm only a PC-User. I did never a Windows-Recovery ore something else. With thanks in advance Reinhard |
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On 2/4/2017 3:54 PM, Reinhard Skarbal wrote:
Hi All My Laptop Acer Aspire 1830 was delivered with Windows-7. It was up dated to Windows-10. But now there is no password prompt after booting. Bios gaves me only the option to change the boot-order. There is nothing like windows-recovery or repair-install. I have only the old Windows-7-Recovery-DVD's. But I would like to repair my Windows-10. Any suggestions ? BTW : I'm only a PC-User. I did never a Windows-Recovery ore something else. With thanks in advance Reinhard Not sure what you are asking for. 1. Are you wanting to have the PC ask for a password before Windows 10 is even booted? 2. Do you want Windows 10, after it is booted, to ask for a password before it allows someone to use the machine? |
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Reinhard Skarbal wrote:
Hi All My Laptop Acer Aspire 1830 was delivered with Windows-7. It was up dated to Windows-10. But now there is no password prompt after booting. Bios gaves me only the option to change the boot-order. There is nothing like windows-recovery or repair-install. I have only the old Windows-7-Recovery-DVD's. But I would like to repair my Windows-10. Any suggestions ? BTW : I'm only a PC-User. I did never a Windows-Recovery ore something else. With thanks in advance Reinhard Does this mean you are being logged in as "Reinhard" on each boot ? If you wanted to set that up, you could use the right-click Run box from the Start menu, and use netplwiz That panel allows nominating one account for auto-login at startup. Check the setting there. And if you cannot find the Control Panel in the menu some day, type this to find it control As in the Control Panel, there is a User Accounts thing for managing user accounts. But "netplwiz" gives access to the auto-login option. The netplwiz is not available on all versions of Windows. On WinXP, it might be "control userpasswords2" or so. ******* Repairing Windows 10 is a bit difficult, because the OS must be running when you start the repair. You use the Win10 DVD to do it. On the Win10 DVD, you should find a Setup.exe. When you run that, the Windows 10 on the DVD can do an installation. If you do the installation from the running OS, it can do Repair. When you Repair Install, you get to keep your programs and data files. If you *boot* from the DVD, that allows Clean Install, and then you have to install all your programs again. So in this case, you don't want to boot from the DVD, just execute the contents off the DVD while the existing OS installation is running. On Windows 10, you can download the DVD, without entering a license key to get it. If the web browser you use for the download, is on a Vista/W7/W8/W10 machine, you will be given a copy of MediaCreationTool.exe . And that program carries out the actual DVD download. If you are on some other OS, you will be given a direct URL to download the DVD. The MediaCreationTool is the recommended method, because the downloads don't get corrupted. Direct download of the ISO9660 file, doesn't always work properly. https://www.microsoft.com/en-ca/soft...load/windows10 What a page like that should be serving up now, is 14393 Anniversary Edition. About 3.5GB for x64 version. About 2.5GB for x86 (32-bit) version. The DVD will contain Win10 Home and Win10 Professional. If your OS is frozen at 10240 (no more security patches) or 10586 (still gets security patches), the 14393 DVD will bring the OS up to 14393 for you. If you want to do a Repair Install in Win10, you don't even need to burn the DVD. You can right-click the ISO9660 file when the download is finished, and select "Mount" from the menu. The ISO file will be mounted as a virtual CD drive. Go to File Explorer, open the new drive that appears in the Windows, and there should be a Setup.exe on there. The files will be copied from the virtual CD drive, onto the hard drive. After that is done, the machine will reboot and start the actual Repair Install. On subsequent reboots, all the info necessary is now sitting in C: , so the virtual CD is no longer needed at that point, and you should not have to restore the mount to finish the multiple reboot cycles. You *do* want to burn the DVD, for emergency usage, such as doing a Clean Install when the OS is completely dead. So keep at least one DVD on hand for that. The DVD has an expiry date. The winload.exe on the DVD is signed with a certificate. The certificate expires after a number of months. At least one of the Preview versions, the DVD no longer boots. So unlike other OSes, where the media "lasts forever", you have not done your last download of Windows 10 media. I use re-writable DVDs for this, so it doesn't cost me anything additional, to keep a working physical DVD for clean install purposes. Using the virtual CD mounting trick, should also make the Repair Install go slightly faster. Because the DVD image must be unpacked, the decompression step is what makes the file copying slow. You can do two things when you get the media: 1) Burn the DVD for emergencies, right away. Keep it in a safe place. You can boot to Command Prompt, using the DVD, and execute commands to fix things on the C: partition. That's one reason to keep a DVD. The DVD can be downloaded on a second computer, if the first computer no longer works properly. 2) Use the virtual CD mounting method, to mount the ISO9660 file - then you can do the Repair Install if this is what you actually want. A Repair Install does not remove malware. If you have a severe malware problem, it will still be there after the Repair Install. A Clean Install (which formats C: ), would be required to have a better chance of cleaning up any problems of that sort. The security requirements for setups at work, need to be a lot better than for home users. For example, you can now get computers, that not only do they have TPM for Trusted Boot, but they also have a feature for BIOS file signing ("Intel Boot Guard"), that prevents non-valid BIOS files from being installed. My machine doesn't have that, and it's a relatively new feature. http://www.pcworld.com/article/28839...-firmware.html HTH, Paul |
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Paul wrote:
Reinhard Skarbal wrote: Hi All My Laptop Acer Aspire 1830 was delivered with Windows-7. It was up dated to Windows-10. But now there is no password prompt after booting. Bios gaves me only the option to change the boot-order. There is nothing like windows-recovery or repair-install. I have only the old Windows-7-Recovery-DVD's. But I would like to repair my Windows-10. Any suggestions ? BTW : I'm only a PC-User. I did never a Windows-Recovery ore something else. With thanks in advance Reinhard Does this mean you are being logged in as "Reinhard" on each boot ? If you wanted to set that up, you could use the right-click Run box from the Start menu, and use netplwiz That panel allows nominating one account for auto-login at startup. Check the setting there. And if you cannot find the Control Panel in the menu some day, type this to find it control As in the Control Panel, there is a User Accounts thing for managing user accounts. But "netplwiz" gives access to the auto-login option. The netplwiz is not available on all versions of Windows. On WinXP, it might be "control userpasswords2" or so. ******* Repairing Windows 10 is a bit difficult, because the OS must be running when you start the repair. You use the Win10 DVD to do it. On the Win10 DVD, you should find a Setup.exe. When you run that, the Windows 10 on the DVD can do an installation. If you do the installation from the running OS, it can do Repair. When you Repair Install, you get to keep your programs and data files. If you *boot* from the DVD, that allows Clean Install, and then you have to install all your programs again. So in this case, you don't want to boot from the DVD, just execute the contents off the DVD while the existing OS installation is running. On Windows 10, you can download the DVD, without entering a license key to get it. If the web browser you use for the download, is on a Vista/W7/W8/W10 machine, you will be given a copy of MediaCreationTool.exe . And that program carries out the actual DVD download. If you are on some other OS, you will be given a direct URL to download the DVD. The MediaCreationTool is the recommended method, because the downloads don't get corrupted. Direct download of the ISO9660 file, doesn't always work properly. https://www.microsoft.com/en-ca/soft...load/windows10 What a page like that should be serving up now, is 14393 Anniversary Edition. About 3.5GB for x64 version. About 2.5GB for x86 (32-bit) version. The DVD will contain Win10 Home and Win10 Professional. If your OS is frozen at 10240 (no more security patches) or 10586 (still gets security patches), the 14393 DVD will bring the OS up to 14393 for you. If you want to do a Repair Install in Win10, you don't even need to burn the DVD. You can right-click the ISO9660 file when the download is finished, and select "Mount" from the menu. The ISO file will be mounted as a virtual CD drive. Go to File Explorer, open the new drive that appears in the Windows, and there should be a Setup.exe on there. The files will be copied from the virtual CD drive, onto the hard drive. After that is done, the machine will reboot and start the actual Repair Install. On subsequent reboots, all the info necessary is now sitting in C: , so the virtual CD is no longer needed at that point, and you should not have to restore the mount to finish the multiple reboot cycles. You *do* want to burn the DVD, for emergency usage, such as doing a Clean Install when the OS is completely dead. So keep at least one DVD on hand for that. The DVD has an expiry date. The winload.exe on the DVD is signed with a certificate. The certificate expires after a number of months. At least one of the Preview versions, the DVD no longer boots. So unlike other OSes, where the media "lasts forever", you have not done your last download of Windows 10 media. I use re-writable DVDs for this, so it doesn't cost me anything additional, to keep a working physical DVD for clean install purposes. Using the virtual CD mounting trick, should also make the Repair Install go slightly faster. Because the DVD image must be unpacked, the decompression step is what makes the file copying slow. You can do two things when you get the media: 1) Burn the DVD for emergencies, right away. Keep it in a safe place. You can boot to Command Prompt, using the DVD, and execute commands to fix things on the C: partition. That's one reason to keep a DVD. The DVD can be downloaded on a second computer, if the first computer no longer works properly. 2) Use the virtual CD mounting method, to mount the ISO9660 file - then you can do the Repair Install if this is what you actually want. A Repair Install does not remove malware. If you have a severe malware problem, it will still be there after the Repair Install. A Clean Install (which formats C: ), would be required to have a better chance of cleaning up any problems of that sort. The security requirements for setups at work, need to be a lot better than for home users. For example, you can now get computers, that not only do they have TPM for Trusted Boot, but they also have a feature for BIOS file signing ("Intel Boot Guard"), that prevents non-valid BIOS files from being installed. My machine doesn't have that, and it's a relatively new feature. http://www.pcworld.com/article/28839...-firmware.html HTH, Paul Wow, what a great post. Many, many thanks for taking the time to put that all together and adding to this NG. Great job! |
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On 05/02/2017 09:57:19, Paul wrote:
Reinhard Skarbal wrote: Hi All My Laptop Acer Aspire 1830 was delivered with Windows-7. It was up dated to Windows-10. But now there is no password prompt after booting. Bios gaves me only the option to change the boot-order. There is nothing like windows-recovery or repair-install. I have only the old Windows-7-Recovery-DVD's. But I would like to repair my Windows-10. Any suggestions ? BTW : I'm only a PC-User. I did never a Windows-Recovery ore something else. With thanks in advance Reinhard Does this mean you are being logged in as "Reinhard" on each boot ? If you wanted to set that up, you could use the right-click Run box from the Start menu, and use netplwiz That panel allows nominating one account for auto-login at startup. Check the setting there. And if you cannot find the Control Panel in the menu some day, type this to find it control As in the Control Panel, there is a User Accounts thing for managing user accounts. But "netplwiz" gives access to the auto-login option. The netplwiz is not available on all versions of Windows. On WinXP, it might be "control userpasswords2" or so. ******* Repairing Windows 10 is a bit difficult, because the OS must be running when you start the repair. You use the Win10 DVD to do it. On the Win10 DVD, you should find a Setup.exe. When you run that, the Windows 10 on the DVD can do an installation. If you do the installation from the running OS, it can do Repair. When you Repair Install, you get to keep your programs and data files. If you *boot* from the DVD, that allows Clean Install, and then you have to install all your programs again. So in this case, you don't want to boot from the DVD, just execute the contents off the DVD while the existing OS installation is running. On Windows 10, you can download the DVD, without entering a license key to get it. If the web browser you use for the download, is on a Vista/W7/W8/W10 machine, you will be given a copy of MediaCreationTool.exe . And that program carries out the actual DVD download. If you are on some other OS, you will be given a direct URL to download the DVD. The MediaCreationTool is the recommended method, because the downloads don't get corrupted. Direct download of the ISO9660 file, doesn't always work properly. https://www.microsoft.com/en-ca/soft...load/windows10 What a page like that should be serving up now, is 14393 Anniversary Edition. About 3.5GB for x64 version. About 2.5GB for x86 (32-bit) version. The DVD will contain Win10 Home and Win10 Professional. If your OS is frozen at 10240 (no more security patches) or 10586 (still gets security patches), the 14393 DVD will bring the OS up to 14393 for you. If you want to do a Repair Install in Win10, you don't even need to burn the DVD. You can right-click the ISO9660 file when the download is finished, and select "Mount" from the menu. The ISO file will be mounted as a virtual CD drive. Go to File Explorer, open the new drive that appears in the Windows, and there should be a Setup.exe on there. The files will be copied from the virtual CD drive, onto the hard drive. After that is done, the machine will reboot and start the actual Repair Install. On subsequent reboots, all the info necessary is now sitting in C: , so the virtual CD is no longer needed at that point, and you should not have to restore the mount to finish the multiple reboot cycles. You *do* want to burn the DVD, for emergency usage, such as doing a Clean Install when the OS is completely dead. So keep at least one DVD on hand for that. The DVD has an expiry date. The winload.exe on the DVD is signed with a certificate. The certificate expires after a number of months. At least one of the Preview versions, the DVD no longer boots. So unlike other OSes, where the media "lasts forever", you have not done your last download of Windows 10 media. I use re-writable DVDs for this, so it doesn't cost me anything additional, to keep a working physical DVD for clean install purposes. Using the virtual CD mounting trick, should also make the Repair Install go slightly faster. Because the DVD image must be unpacked, the decompression step is what makes the file copying slow. You can do two things when you get the media: 1) Burn the DVD for emergencies, right away. Keep it in a safe place. You can boot to Command Prompt, using the DVD, and execute commands to fix things on the C: partition. That's one reason to keep a DVD. The DVD can be downloaded on a second computer, if the first computer no longer works properly. 2) Use the virtual CD mounting method, to mount the ISO9660 file - then you can do the Repair Install if this is what you actually want. A Repair Install does not remove malware. If you have a severe malware problem, it will still be there after the Repair Install. A Clean Install (which formats C: ), would be required to have a better chance of cleaning up any problems of that sort. The security requirements for setups at work, need to be a lot better than for home users. For example, you can now get computers, that not only do they have TPM for Trusted Boot, but they also have a feature for BIOS file signing ("Intel Boot Guard"), that prevents non-valid BIOS files from being installed. My machine doesn't have that, and it's a relatively new feature. http://www.pcworld.com/article/28839...-firmware.html HTH, Paul Thanks Paul, really useful information to keep for reference. -- mick |
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On 2/5/2017 8:01 PM, Paul wrote:
Reinhard Skarbal wrote: snip I have to key in my password. Then I'm user Reinhard. And than I have windows-10 up and running and can click on icons or run cmd.exe. I re-read your message and saw the above passage. If in fact you can run the cmd.exe program you should be able to reload Windows 10 with out deleting your exiting programs and files. Be sure to NOT insert a W10 install DVD until after your existing copy of Windows 10 has booted. Then stick the DVD into the drive. If your CD/DVD drive is drive letter "D" then you would put in the DVD and enter run d:\setup.exe in the cmd.exe window and it should start the windows install/repair system. When asked, tell it to keep your personal files and apps and windows 10 should rebuild itself and keep your stuff. The trick is to not boot from the DVD but rather to run the DVD's setup.exe from the cmd.exe. Do you agree Paul or is there a better way? |
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GlowingBlueMist wrote:
On 2/5/2017 8:01 PM, Paul wrote: Reinhard Skarbal wrote: snip I have to key in my password. Then I'm user Reinhard. And than I have windows-10 up and running and can click on icons or run cmd.exe. I re-read your message and saw the above passage. If in fact you can run the cmd.exe program you should be able to reload Windows 10 with out deleting your exiting programs and files. Be sure to NOT insert a W10 install DVD until after your existing copy of Windows 10 has booted. Then stick the DVD into the drive. If your CD/DVD drive is drive letter "D" then you would put in the DVD and enter run d:\setup.exe in the cmd.exe window and it should start the windows install/repair system. When asked, tell it to keep your personal files and apps and windows 10 should rebuild itself and keep your stuff. The trick is to not boot from the DVD but rather to run the DVD's setup.exe from the cmd.exe. Do you agree Paul or is there a better way? Well, if you can get to a GUI and get the Setup.exe to run off the DVD, that'll allow a Repair install. There are other hacks to get around login. The "utilman" bypass for example. I tested this a while ago, and it was still working. I think there was some other example, of replacing osk.exe to do something like this. This is to allow you to reset a password. http://www.howtogeek.com/222262/how-...in-windows-10/ But I confuse easily and I'm still probably not following the symptoms properly. Paul |
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says... On 2/5/2017 10:04 AM, Reinhard Skarbal wrote: In article , says... On 2/4/2017 3:54 PM, Reinhard Skarbal wrote: Hi All My Laptop Acer Aspire 1830 was delivered with Windows-7. It was up dated to Windows-10. But now there is no password prompt after booting. Bios gaves me only the option to change the boot-order. There is nothing like windows-recovery or repair-install. I have only the old Windows-7-Recovery-DVD's. But I would like to repair my Windows-10. Any suggestions ? BTW : I'm only a PC-User. I did never a Windows-Recovery ore something else. With thanks in advance Reinhard Not sure what you are asking for. 1. Are you wanting to have the PC ask for a password before Windows 10 is even booted? 2. Do you want Windows 10, after it is booted, to ask for a password before it allows someone to use the machine? Hi GlowingBlueMist After power up there is only one way to get into windows-10 : I have to key in my password. Then I'm user Reinhard. And than I have windows-10 up and running and can click on icons or run cmd.exe. BUT there is NOTHING. Only the lock-screen (with a picture) and 4 symbols on the right bottom : A symbol for the Keyboard-Language (DE for german) A symbol for WIFI : airplane-mode, on/off, mobile A symbol for enhanced handling A symbol for : shut down, restart, power-save Hi all Thanks to all for the answers. But now my Acer Aspire is dead. (After remove and reinsert the HD = loose conections on mainboard ?) So I have to go to the store to buy a new laptop. With kindly egards Reinhard |
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Reinhard Skarbal wrote:
In article , says... On 2/5/2017 10:04 AM, Reinhard Skarbal wrote: In article , says... On 2/4/2017 3:54 PM, Reinhard Skarbal wrote: Hi All My Laptop Acer Aspire 1830 was delivered with Windows-7. It was up dated to Windows-10. But now there is no password prompt after booting. Bios gaves me only the option to change the boot-order. There is nothing like windows-recovery or repair-install. I have only the old Windows-7-Recovery-DVD's. But I would like to repair my Windows-10. Any suggestions ? BTW : I'm only a PC-User. I did never a Windows-Recovery ore something else. With thanks in advance Reinhard Not sure what you are asking for. 1. Are you wanting to have the PC ask for a password before Windows 10 is even booted? 2. Do you want Windows 10, after it is booted, to ask for a password before it allows someone to use the machine? Hi GlowingBlueMist After power up there is only one way to get into windows-10 : I have to key in my password. Then I'm user Reinhard. And than I have windows-10 up and running and can click on icons or run cmd.exe. BUT there is NOTHING. Only the lock-screen (with a picture) and 4 symbols on the right bottom : A symbol for the Keyboard-Language (DE for german) A symbol for WIFI : airplane-mode, on/off, mobile A symbol for enhanced handling A symbol for : shut down, restart, power-save Hi all Thanks to all for the answers. But now my Acer Aspire is dead. (After remove and reinsert the HD = loose conections on mainboard ?) So I have to go to the store to buy a new laptop. With kindly egards Reinhard See if the BIOS screen (BIOS "Setup") responds, with the hard drive removed. This is to verify the motherboard still works. Once you verify the CPU/RAM/Motherboard work, by seeing a BIOS setup screen or BIOS boot messages, then you can power off and start testing various USB flash boot sources or replacement HDD boot sources. Paul |
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Reinhard Skarbal wrote:
In article , says... On 2/5/2017 10:04 AM, Reinhard Skarbal wrote: In article , says... On 2/4/2017 3:54 PM, Reinhard Skarbal wrote: Hi All My Laptop Acer Aspire 1830 was delivered with Windows-7. It was up dated to Windows-10. But now there is no password prompt after booting. Bios gaves me only the option to change the boot-order. There is nothing like windows-recovery or repair-install. I have only the old Windows-7-Recovery-DVD's. But I would like to repair my Windows-10. Any suggestions ? BTW : I'm only a PC-User. I did never a Windows-Recovery ore something else. With thanks in advance Reinhard Not sure what you are asking for. 1. Are you wanting to have the PC ask for a password before Windows 10 is even booted? 2. Do you want Windows 10, after it is booted, to ask for a password before it allows someone to use the machine? Hi GlowingBlueMist After power up there is only one way to get into windows-10 : I have to key in my password. Then I'm user Reinhard. And than I have windows-10 up and running and can click on icons or run cmd.exe. BUT there is NOTHING. Only the lock-screen (with a picture) and 4 symbols on the right bottom : A symbol for the Keyboard-Language (DE for german) A symbol for WIFI : airplane-mode, on/off, mobile A symbol for enhanced handling A symbol for : shut down, restart, power-save Hi all Thanks to all for the answers. But now my Acer Aspire is dead. (After remove and reinsert the HD = loose conections on mainboard ?) So I have to go to the store to buy a new laptop. With kindly egards Reinhard Get a DVD and do repair install -- Ken1943 |
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