Slightly OT - Windows Live Mail

Just received the notification from MS that OE will no longer be able
to access Hotmail from the end of June and recommends switching to
Windows Live Mail.

Some questions:

- is there a better newsgroup in which I should be asking these
questions?
- the notification states "Our information indicates that you use
Outlook Express to access a Windows Live™ Hotmail® e-mail account via
a protocol called DAV (Distributed Authoring and Versioning protocol).
DAV, like POP3 or IMAP, is the way that a mail client communicates
with a web-based mail server". Does this mean that no other POP client
will be able to access Hotmail, or is it just OE? Will OE still be
able to access my other POP servers?
- will Windows Live Mail be able to access other the POP servers I
use, eg Gmail, Compuserve, Virgin Media etc?
- when I install Windows Live Mail will existing emails, address book,
accounts get transferred, or will I have to do this manually?
- is this the time to consider another email client, if so which, and
will they work with the new Hotmail protocol (whatever that is)?

Thanks for any advice.
David

DavidM wrote:

Just received the notification from MS that OE will no longer be able
to access Hotmail from the end of June and recommends switching to
Windows Live Mail.

Some questions:

- is there a better newsgroup in which I should be asking these
questions?
- the notification states "Our information indicates that you use
Outlook Express to access a Windows Live™ Hotmail® e-mail account via
a protocol called DAV (Distributed Authoring and Versioning protocol).
DAV, like POP3 or IMAP, is the way that a mail client communicates
with a web-based mail server". Does this mean that no other POP client
will be able to access Hotmail, or is it just OE? Will OE still be
able to access my other POP servers?
- will Windows Live Mail be able to access other the POP servers I
use, eg Gmail, Compuserve, Virgin Media etc?
- when I install Windows Live Mail will existing emails, address book,
accounts get transferred, or will I have to do this manually?
- is this the time to consider another email client, if so which, and
will they work with the new Hotmail protocol (whatever that is)?

Thanks for any advice.
David

Windows Live Mail has its own newsgroup:

microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop

Some of your questions are probably answered in my canned response
regarding Hotmail's history, shown below.

Hotmail history (obtained through Google, Wiki, and various other
sources)

- 1996 July: Hotmail becomes available. Provides a webmail interface to
e-mail service.
- 1997 December: Microsoft buys Hotmail to include in their MSN
services.
- 1999 August: Anyone can log into any Hotmail account using the
password "eh"
(http://www.wired.com/science/discove...1999/08/21503).
- 1999 December: Microsoft forgets to pay their passport.com domain
renewal fee. Hotmail is unavailable on Christmas Eve. A Linux
consultant pays the fee and Hotmail comes back up.
- 2000 February: For MSN Hotmail, POP3 access is discontinued and
switches to WebDAV access. MSN "legacy" accounts created before that
date continue
to get POP3 access. MSN Hotmail accounts created after that date only
get WebDAV access which restricts them to using Microsoft's Outlook or
Outlook Express e-mail clients (later some plug-ins or proxies become
available to allow non-Microsoft e-mail clients to access Hotmail but
they get killed in 2004 November except for paid accounts when WebDAV
access gets pulled from free accounts).
- 2002 July: For free Hotmail accounts, POP3 access is discontinued and
switches to WebDAV access. Hotmail PLUS (paying customers) gets
POP3/SMTP mail host access.
- 2003 (autumn): Microsoft forgets to pay their hotmail.co.uk domain
renewal fee. Another good Samaritan pays the fee. No downtime.
- 2004 November: Microsoft changes policy to disable WebDAV access for
*new* free Hotmail accounts created after that date. Old (and still
active) free accounts created before that policy change date (i.e.,
grandfathered accounts) continue to get WebDAV access. After this date,
Microsoft charges for WebDAV access. New plug-ins and proxies start
showing up to compensate. Old plug-ins and proxies still work with
non-Microsoft e-mail clients for *paid* Hotmail accounts where WebDAV
access remains.
- 2005 November: Microsoft officially announces Windows Live Mail
(codename Kahuna), later rebranded to Windows Live Hotmail. Goes
through some beta testing.
- 2006 November: Windows Live Hotmail first released to existing and new
Netherlands users as a pilot market.
- 2007 May: Microsoft releases Windows Live Hotmail to worldwide market.
Users can elect to stay with the MSN Hotmail or try the new Windows Live
Hotmail (classic or full) interface. They are given an option (which
eventually disappears) to switch back to MSN Hotmail.
- 2007 June: Microsoft introduces DeltaSync, its replacement for WebDAV.
- 2007 September: Users start reporting that Microsoft begins
involuntarily *forcing* MSN Hotmail users to migrate to the Windows Live
Hotmail interface. One day they were using MSN Hotmail, the next they
were forced to Windows Live Hotmail without any action on their part,
and they cannot switch back.
- 2007 September: POP3 access returns only for Windows Live Hotmail Plus
(paid) accounts but not for MSN Hotmail Premium (paid) accounts.
Requires SSL connects and SMTP authentication (pop3.live.com port 995,
smtp.live.com port 25 with SMTP authentication, SSL on both).
- 2008 June: Microsoft disables WebDAV on all accounts and forces use of
DeltaSync protocol. For free Windows Live Hotmail accounts, users will
need to use Outlook 2003 or 2007 with the Outlook Connector plug-in
(post-1.8 version) or the Windows Live Mail client. For PAID Windows
Live Hotmail accounts, users can use any POP3/SMTP e-mail client. The
webmail interface remains available for free and paid accounts as it has
been ever since Hotmail existed.

On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 05:03:23 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

DavidM wrote:

Just received the notification from MS that OE will no longer be able
to access Hotmail from the end of June and recommends switching to
Windows Live Mail.

Some questions:

- is there a better newsgroup in which I should be asking these
questions?
- the notification states "Our information indicates that you use
Outlook Express to access a Windows Live™ Hotmail® e-mail account via
a protocol called DAV (Distributed Authoring and Versioning protocol).
DAV, like POP3 or IMAP, is the way that a mail client communicates
with a web-based mail server". Does this mean that no other POP client
will be able to access Hotmail, or is it just OE? Will OE still be
able to access my other POP servers?
- will Windows Live Mail be able to access other the POP servers I
use, eg Gmail, Compuserve, Virgin Media etc?
- when I install Windows Live Mail will existing emails, address book,
accounts get transferred, or will I have to do this manually?
- is this the time to consider another email client, if so which, and
will they work with the new Hotmail protocol (whatever that is)?

Thanks for any advice.
David

Windows Live Mail has its own newsgroup:

microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop

Some of your questions are probably answered in my canned response
regarding Hotmail's history, shown below.

Hotmail history (obtained through Google, Wiki, and various other
sources)

- 1996 July: Hotmail becomes available. Provides a webmail interface to
e-mail service.
- 1997 December: Microsoft buys Hotmail to include in their MSN
services.
- 1999 August: Anyone can log into any Hotmail account using the
password "eh"
(http://www.wired.com/science/discove...1999/08/21503).
- 1999 December: Microsoft forgets to pay their passport.com domain
renewal fee. Hotmail is unavailable on Christmas Eve. A Linux
consultant pays the fee and Hotmail comes back up.
- 2000 February: For MSN Hotmail, POP3 access is discontinued and
switches to WebDAV access. MSN "legacy" accounts created before that
date continue
to get POP3 access. MSN Hotmail accounts created after that date only
get WebDAV access which restricts them to using Microsoft's Outlook or
Outlook Express e-mail clients (later some plug-ins or proxies become
available to allow non-Microsoft e-mail clients to access Hotmail but
they get killed in 2004 November except for paid accounts when WebDAV
access gets pulled from free accounts).
- 2002 July: For free Hotmail accounts, POP3 access is discontinued and
switches to WebDAV access. Hotmail PLUS (paying customers) gets
POP3/SMTP mail host access.
- 2003 (autumn): Microsoft forgets to pay their hotmail.co.uk domain
renewal fee. Another good Samaritan pays the fee. No downtime.
- 2004 November: Microsoft changes policy to disable WebDAV access for
*new* free Hotmail accounts created after that date. Old (and still
active) free accounts created before that policy change date (i.e.,
grandfathered accounts) continue to get WebDAV access. After this date,
Microsoft charges for WebDAV access. New plug-ins and proxies start
showing up to compensate. Old plug-ins and proxies still work with
non-Microsoft e-mail clients for *paid* Hotmail accounts where WebDAV
access remains.
- 2005 November: Microsoft officially announces Windows Live Mail
(codename Kahuna), later rebranded to Windows Live Hotmail. Goes
through some beta testing.
- 2006 November: Windows Live Hotmail first released to existing and new
Netherlands users as a pilot market.
- 2007 May: Microsoft releases Windows Live Hotmail to worldwide market.
Users can elect to stay with the MSN Hotmail or try the new Windows Live
Hotmail (classic or full) interface. They are given an option (which
eventually disappears) to switch back to MSN Hotmail.
- 2007 June: Microsoft introduces DeltaSync, its replacement for WebDAV.
- 2007 September: Users start reporting that Microsoft begins
involuntarily *forcing* MSN Hotmail users to migrate to the Windows Live
Hotmail interface. One day they were using MSN Hotmail, the next they
were forced to Windows Live Hotmail without any action on their part,
and they cannot switch back.
- 2007 September: POP3 access returns only for Windows Live Hotmail Plus
(paid) accounts but not for MSN Hotmail Premium (paid) accounts.
Requires SSL connects and SMTP authentication (pop3.live.com port 995,
smtp.live.com port 25 with SMTP authentication, SSL on both).
- 2008 June: Microsoft disables WebDAV on all accounts and forces use of
DeltaSync protocol. For free Windows Live Hotmail accounts, users will
need to use Outlook 2003 or 2007 with the Outlook Connector plug-in
(post-1.8 version) or the Windows Live Mail client. For PAID Windows
Live Hotmail accounts, users can use any POP3/SMTP e-mail client. The
webmail interface remains available for free and paid accounts as it has
been ever since Hotmail existed.

The newsgroup mentioned above
(microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop) doesn't appear to be on
the text.news.virginmedia.com server, or am I missing something? Is it
on one of the other VM servers?
David

On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 12:49:23 GMT, DavidM
wrote:

On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 05:03:23 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

DavidM wrote:

Just received the notification from MS that OE will no longer be able
to access Hotmail from the end of June and recommends switching to
Windows Live Mail.

Some questions:

- is there a better newsgroup in which I should be asking these
questions?
- the notification states "Our information indicates that you use
Outlook Express to access a Windows Live™ Hotmail® e-mail account via
a protocol called DAV (Distributed Authoring and Versioning protocol).
DAV, like POP3 or IMAP, is the way that a mail client communicates
with a web-based mail server". Does this mean that no other POP client
will be able to access Hotmail, or is it just OE? Will OE still be
able to access my other POP servers?
- will Windows Live Mail be able to access other the POP servers I
use, eg Gmail, Compuserve, Virgin Media etc?
- when I install Windows Live Mail will existing emails, address book,
accounts get transferred, or will I have to do this manually?
- is this the time to consider another email client, if so which, and
will they work with the new Hotmail protocol (whatever that is)?

Thanks for any advice.
David

Windows Live Mail has its own newsgroup:

microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop

Some of your questions are probably answered in my canned response
regarding Hotmail's history, shown below.

Hotmail history (obtained through Google, Wiki, and various other
sources)

- 1996 July: Hotmail becomes available. Provides a webmail interface to
e-mail service.
- 1997 December: Microsoft buys Hotmail to include in their MSN
services.
- 1999 August: Anyone can log into any Hotmail account using the
password "eh"
(http://www.wired.com/science/discove...1999/08/21503).
- 1999 December: Microsoft forgets to pay their passport.com domain
renewal fee. Hotmail is unavailable on Christmas Eve. A Linux
consultant pays the fee and Hotmail comes back up.
- 2000 February: For MSN Hotmail, POP3 access is discontinued and
switches to WebDAV access. MSN "legacy" accounts created before that
date continue
to get POP3 access. MSN Hotmail accounts created after that date only
get WebDAV access which restricts them to using Microsoft's Outlook or
Outlook Express e-mail clients (later some plug-ins or proxies become
available to allow non-Microsoft e-mail clients to access Hotmail but
they get killed in 2004 November except for paid accounts when WebDAV
access gets pulled from free accounts).
- 2002 July: For free Hotmail accounts, POP3 access is discontinued and
switches to WebDAV access. Hotmail PLUS (paying customers) gets
POP3/SMTP mail host access.
- 2003 (autumn): Microsoft forgets to pay their hotmail.co.uk domain
renewal fee. Another good Samaritan pays the fee. No downtime.
- 2004 November: Microsoft changes policy to disable WebDAV access for
*new* free Hotmail accounts created after that date. Old (and still
active) free accounts created before that policy change date (i.e.,
grandfathered accounts) continue to get WebDAV access. After this date,
Microsoft charges for WebDAV access. New plug-ins and proxies start
showing up to compensate. Old plug-ins and proxies still work with
non-Microsoft e-mail clients for *paid* Hotmail accounts where WebDAV
access remains.
- 2005 November: Microsoft officially announces Windows Live Mail
(codename Kahuna), later rebranded to Windows Live Hotmail. Goes
through some beta testing.
- 2006 November: Windows Live Hotmail first released to existing and new
Netherlands users as a pilot market.
- 2007 May: Microsoft releases Windows Live Hotmail to worldwide market.
Users can elect to stay with the MSN Hotmail or try the new Windows Live
Hotmail (classic or full) interface. They are given an option (which
eventually disappears) to switch back to MSN Hotmail.
- 2007 June: Microsoft introduces DeltaSync, its replacement for WebDAV.
- 2007 September: Users start reporting that Microsoft begins
involuntarily *forcing* MSN Hotmail users to migrate to the Windows Live
Hotmail interface. One day they were using MSN Hotmail, the next they
were forced to Windows Live Hotmail without any action on their part,
and they cannot switch back.
- 2007 September: POP3 access returns only for Windows Live Hotmail Plus
(paid) accounts but not for MSN Hotmail Premium (paid) accounts.
Requires SSL connects and SMTP authentication (pop3.live.com port 995,
smtp.live.com port 25 with SMTP authentication, SSL on both).
- 2008 June: Microsoft disables WebDAV on all accounts and forces use of
DeltaSync protocol. For free Windows Live Hotmail accounts, users will
need to use Outlook 2003 or 2007 with the Outlook Connector plug-in
(post-1.8 version) or the Windows Live Mail client. For PAID Windows
Live Hotmail accounts, users can use any POP3/SMTP e-mail client. The
webmail interface remains available for free and paid accounts as it has
been ever since Hotmail existed.

The newsgroup mentioned above
(microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop) doesn't appear to be on
the text.news.virginmedia.com server, or am I missing something? Is it
on one of the other VM servers?
David
Ignore above post - posted to wrong group
David