Disable Internet Explorer 11

On 05/12/2014 01:38 PM, ...winston wrote:
Caver1 wrote, On 5/12/2014 7:34 AM:
On 05/12/2014 03:09 AM, ...winston wrote:
Nil wrote, On 5/12/2014 1:26 AM:
On 11 May 2014, "...winston" wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-8:

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/w...t-Explorer-off




Lol...Titles can be misleading....try clicking on the links that
tell you what to do. None of them say anything about IE (just
generic information on setting program defaults or turning off a
few Windows features).

If the title is misleading, then Microsoft is being intentionally
misleading or deceitful. I understand that you're a shill for
Microsoft, but even you must admit that the title of the article,
"How to turn Internet Explorer off" and its accompanying verbiage
leaves no room for any other interpretation.

Are you saying that Internet Explorer is *NOT* one of the features
that can be disabled from the 'enable Windows features' dialog? I
don't have a Windows 7 or 8 box available to check now. It is listed
there in XP.


The title is misleading.
If it said how to turn off features that use Internet Explorer 11 then
it would be more accurate.

The first article definitely tells you that you can and what will be
done if you do disable IE. And says nothing about features of IE. Any
ways you said in your post
"
That link only provides details on turning off Printing and Document
Services"
Whic one is it? printing and Documents or IE features? Better learn how
to remember what lie you told to whom.

XP is no longer relevant.

If it only talks about "IE features/Printing and Documents" why do you
bring up XP? It states that that option has been around since XP not the
relevancy of XP now. In other words since XP was available you and ones
like you have been lying to everybody.

IE is an integral component of Windows, it can't be turned off or
disabled only features that use it. Good luck finding all of them.


Lies again. Microsoft says you can. So who's the lier, YOU or Microsoft?
I disable IE add Windows works just fine with it disabled.


Since you've chosen to take a non-professional route I'll clue you in on
your misunderstanding but beyond that don't expect anything else.

What's professional about lying?

Re-read any of my posts..nowhere have I enticed or encouraged anyone to
use Microsoft products.




Having trouble following what other people write
- Hint - look at the quoting prefix () to determine who referenced it
(XP).

Eventually you'll figure out what doesn't work or maybe even find that
IE has been turned back on.

I do have to commend you on doing such a good job of hindering your
welcome in this forum. Well done!





And you helped with Your lies?
If your groups alienates a person for asking questions, pointing out
that what he said was the truth and he knew what he was talking about
and the most he gets back is snide remarks and cussed at, or lied to.
Why would I care if I was alienated?

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Caver1

On 05/12/2014 01:54 PM, ...winston wrote:
Caver1 wrote, On 5/12/2014 1:00 PM:

I still would like to know why IE is still loading when it has been
disabled. And how it's doing it since there is no exe file for it to be
found since it was disabled.


IE is very hardy. Windows needs it. Other MSFT applications need it.




No windows does not need it. Windows only needs some of the files of IE.
The other MSFT applications don't need it either. I posted two links in
this thread that went to Microsoft that proved this. MS itself says that
IE can be disabled, Not removed, and Windows and third party apps will
still function. I don't feel like looking back through this thread to
find that post right now. So if you don't believe me you can look for it
or go to Microsoft.com and search for-disabling Internet Explorer 11.
You will find how it is done without hurting Windows functions.
Microsoft will also tell you how to do it and that this capability has
been in Windows since XP.

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Caver1

On 14-05-12 01:26 PM, Good Guy wrote:
On 12/05/2014 18:18, Silver Slimer wrote:
On 14-05-12 01:13 PM, Caver1 wrote:
On 05/12/2014 09:13 AM, Silver Slimer wrote:


How is trying to find a solution to a problem being a solution being a
troll? So me one place that I posted misinformation.
Believe what you want. It doesn't change the truth.
Generally, a knowledgeable computer user would have figured out how to
do this on their own and not even required any help in the first place.


Never said I knew everything about computers. I do have a fair
knowledge of computers. This is the first time I have gone to a
newsgroup or a forum to help solve a problem in Windows.
Either way, a full reinstallation with optical media is probably not
necessary. Restarting from scratch using only the features Windows 8
puts at your disposal is likely to be enough.


I think I agree with you. The guy has got a brand new machine and all
he wants to do is to make some other browser default. Reinstalling and
recovering the machine is like using the sledge hammer to crack the nut.

No, obviously my suggestion is a terrible one. There is no reason to
reinstall Windows at all and every one of his browser "problems" can be
fixed without any kind of reinstallation. However, the discussion
eventually disintegrated and a reinstallation became the best solution.
They talked about using recovery media but he doesn't have any. I
therefore pointed him to the fact that Windows 8 "reinstalls" without
reinstalling in the traditional sense.

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Silver Slimer
Wikipedia & OpenMedia Supporter

On 05/12/2014 01:56 PM, Ken1943 wrote:
Do you know what the IE11 box in remove/add features does. The default is
checked.


KenW



Yes it disables IE11. That's how you do it. If you uncheck the box IE
will be disabled.

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Caver1

On 14-05-12 01:59 PM, ...winston wrote:
Silver Slimer wrote, On 5/12/2014 9:13 AM:

There's a product key sticker on your computer. Look for it. If it's
Windows 8, your best bet is to go into the Preferences and simply click
on the option which allows you to clean the computer (including all of
the programs) to restart from scratch. Its exact name escapes me at the
moment. To get there, go into the start menu, move your cursor to the
top-right corner, then down. A menu will appear on the right side and
the last option at the bottom will bring you to the preferences which
bring you to that area.



The three Windows 8 provided options are Refresh, Restore, Reset your pc.

The latter would be equivalent to starting from scratch.
- though that will also re-enable IE

Obviously. However, what I would do in his place is reset completely to
fix whatever weird association problems he might have. Then, "uninstall"
IE by removing it from the Features in Add/Remove Programs. THEN update.
Like that, any influence IE has on the system will be minimized. I think
that the fact that IE is still around despite the fact that it's been
"removed" is because a shred of it needs to remain on the system to be
updated IN CASE something like the recent Flash bug happens again.
Considering the fact that IE is used in other MS programs, it makes
sense that Microsoft would want it to be updated regardless of whether
people choose to use it.

However, my approach would ensure that it's updated but doesn't appear
to the user at all. Essentially, it will feel like it's been entirely
removed even though we all know better.

--
Silver Slimer
Wikipedia & OpenMedia Supporter

On 05/12/2014 01:32 PM, Paul wrote:


Considering the amount of energy you've expended picking fights,
you could be done and having dinner by now.



Picking fights with who? The one who cusses or other snide remarks
instead of really helping or the one who lies?

I'll prepare a summary for you.

While this screenshot is from WinXP, the same concept exists in Windows
8.1U1.
You can remove the Windows component known as Internet Explorer 11.
The Windows Component dialog is in the foreground of the picture.

http://oi57.tinypic.com/2qnnreh.jpg

In the background, underneath the Windows Components dialog, you can
see the other option. The other option is for Program Configuration.
In Windows 8, that's called Default Programs, and it has a "Custom" entry
in it as well my WinXP screenshot does. The purpose of "Default Programs"
is to make some shortcuts disappear. But, Default Programs doesn't do as
much damage, as removing the Windows component known as Internet
Explorer 11.


Microsoft states that it does no damage to Windows. So instead of
arguing with me why don't you go and argue with Microsoft? As I stated
before Why would Microsoft put an option in their OS and make it so easy
to do if it was going to break the system? And why has that capability
been there so long?

When you remove IE11, using Windows Components, this diff.exe output
shows you the changes to the Internet Explorer folder. Notice that
iexplore.exe has gone missing. With that program removed, it's
pretty hard for any link in an email program, to be opened by that file.
There is only one file of significant size that has gone missing.

And again MS said that it would be disabled and everything in Windows
would still work. I don't necessarily know how and don't really need to
but I do believe MS when they are talking about their OS.



The folder continues to have content, no matter what you do.
The "Internet Explorer" folder is not removed.

No its not. I never said it was. But with what Microsoft says about how
it is done certain files have to be left in place so the Windows
functions keep working. So they have to stay there for those functions
to find them. After IE is disabled go to Windows file manager and do a
search for IE11 and see what you find. No IE exe file and others but you
will find the files Windows evidently needs.
By the way the search functions are working much better and faster than
in XP and before. You can actually find everything.
Even when you use the Windows Components menu, and iexplore.exe
is removed, these are the folder contents afterwards. The supporting
files for Internet Explorer, are not even near to being eliminated.
There are still files in here with i* file names. I was not able
to determine, if any of these is the equivalent of an iehtml engine.


Microsoft says they will be left there.



As for the Internet Explorer file itself, there is a file with the same
checksum in the "store area". This would be done with hard links,
but I didn't gather any proof for you, of hard links. I used MD5 checksums,
computed for the entire C: drive, to help locate duplicate files. This is
an example of where the backup copy of iexplore.exe is stored for later.
The program loader does not normally execute content from WinSXS. It's
intended purely as an archive. It is termed a "maintenance directory"
intended for installation programs to perform maintenance on the
content in the system.

Microsoft says that the files that IE needs to run would be hidden from
Windows. All you would have to do is either move them or rename them.
Then the processs?links that point to them would be no good. So IE
wouldn't start up. But the other needed file haven't been moved/renamed
so what points to them can still find them.


And that's how the file can be brought back later. By hard linking from
WinSXS store,
into the Program Files area. Hard linking saves space, with two file points
and one set of data clusters for the file.

Yes Microsoft said all you had to do is recheck the box that you
unchecked and IE would be back. Easy. So then what points to them can be
found again.

I don't give a rat's ass what Microsoft claims. I try to find
evidence for what happens when you click buttons in Windows,
and work from there.


Like I said go argue with them. I do tend to believe what MS says the
capability their OS has when you do something they tell you you can do.

1) Windows Components removed iexplore.exe but does not
remove the original in WinSXS. That makes it harder for the
program to be run for any random reason.

2) The Program Defaults control makes fewer changes. It
leaves iexplore.exe in the Program Files area, and it is
then possible for the program to be executed by other programs
that know the name.

That still does not answer your question (if I can even remember
what your question was). The ingredients are there, if you
use Default Programs, for iexplore.exe to be run (somehow).
All it takes is any program invoking its name, and the
program will be found. While certain file associations
may have been removed, nothing prevents a program from
saying "shazam" and the IE window will appear.

When I changed to Firefox as the default and IE kept opening when links
were clicked I went looking for all file associations that used IE and
changed them to FF and also looked for programs that used IE as default.
IE still opened up when a link was clicked. Even if some program linked
itself to IE and IE was disabled how would that program even find IE to
start it if the necessary files have been moved/renamed?

You can use Process Explorer and Process Monitor, if you
want to log what is happening in your particular case.
And figure out an answer to your question. I can't do that
here, because I don't have any email set up in Windows 8.
My Windows 8 install is basically only used for
these little experiments. That's why it doesn't have
Start8 or ClassicShell in it, to spoil the "purity".

HTH,
Paul

I appreciate the trouble you went thru to research all this.

--
Caver1

On 05/12/2014 03:16 PM, Silver Slimer wrote:

No, obviously my suggestion is a terrible one. There is no reason to
reinstall Windows at all and every one of his browser "problems" can be
fixed without any kind of reinstallation. However, the discussion
eventually disintegrated and a reinstallation became the best solution.
They talked about using recovery media but he doesn't have any. I
therefore pointed him to the fact that Windows 8 "reinstalls" without
reinstalling in the traditional sense.


No not the best solution just the easy way out to solve a problem. As
Goodguy stated it's like taking a sledge hammer to the problem when it
should be a simple problem to solve. Which it may not be.
How many browser problems do you think I have? There is only one.
I do have recovery disks. I have said that several times. The- just
reinstall Windows-has been a very common misconception to solve your
every problem in the windows world.

--
Caver1

On 05/12/2014 03:20 PM, Silver Slimer wrote:
On 14-05-12 01:59 PM, ...winston wrote:
Silver Slimer wrote, On 5/12/2014 9:13 AM:

There's a product key sticker on your computer. Look for it. If it's
Windows 8, your best bet is to go into the Preferences and simply click
on the option which allows you to clean the computer (including all of
the programs) to restart from scratch. Its exact name escapes me at the
moment. To get there, go into the start menu, move your cursor to the
top-right corner, then down. A menu will appear on the right side and
the last option at the bottom will bring you to the preferences which
bring you to that area.



The three Windows 8 provided options are Refresh, Restore, Reset your pc.

The latter would be equivalent to starting from scratch.
- though that will also re-enable IE

Obviously. However, what I would do in his place is reset completely to
fix whatever weird association problems he might have. Then, "uninstall"
IE by removing it from the Features in Add/Remove Programs. THEN update.
Like that, any influence IE has on the system will be minimized. I think
that the fact that IE is still around despite the fact that it's been
"removed" is because a shred of it needs to remain on the system to be
updated IN CASE something like the recent Flash bug happens again.
Considering the fact that IE is used in other MS programs, it makes
sense that Microsoft would want it to be updated regardless of whether
people choose to use it.

However, my approach would ensure that it's updated but doesn't appear
to the user at all. Essentially, it will feel like it's been entirely
removed even though we all know better.



That is a better way of saying it and one that would stand a better
chance of being followed then being told by Alias- Just reinstall before
you F*^%$ it up even more. comments like that aren't even trying to help.
Thank you.

--

Caver1

On Mon, 12 May 2014 13:44:45 -0400, "...winston"
wrote:

Alias wrote, On 5/12/2014 5:26 AM:
...winston wrote:
Caver1 wrote, On 5/11/2014 12:12 PM:


I don't think you can uninstall IE 11 as there is no reference to IE 11
in Program and Settings in the uninstall programs part. Also IE 11 was
built for Windows 8. Will IE 10 work in 8 I don't know. Microsoft also
stated that they would be offering IE 11 to Windows 7 users in the
future sometime.


IE10 was included in Windows 8.0
IE11 was included in Windows 8.1

IE11 has already been released for Windows 7 (6 months ago i.e. last
year)
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/downl....aspx?id=40902




I think we're dealing with a troll, Winston. He doesn't want help. He
knows it all; just ask him.


Exactly right. He's long been killfiled here, and my advice to
everyone is to killfile him and all other trolls.


He does deserve a commendation g...for alienating a larger majority of
folks in this forum which afiacs validates your assessment.



LOL! Yep!

Paul wrote, On 5/12/2014 1:32 PM:
Caver1 wrote:
On 05/12/2014 03:09 AM, ...winston wrote:


IE is an integral component of Windows, it can't be turned off or
disabled only features that use it. Good luck finding all of them.

Lies again. Microsoft says you can. So who's the lier, YOU or Microsoft?
I disable IE add Windows works just fine with it disabled.

I think in my reply to you, I indicated as an experienced user,
you can *actually* figure this out for yourself.

Considering the amount of energy you've expended picking fights,
you could be done and having dinner by now.

*******

I'll prepare a summary for you.

While this screenshot is from WinXP, the same concept exists in Windows
8.1U1.
You can remove the Windows component known as Internet Explorer 11.
The Windows Component dialog is in the foreground of the picture.

http://oi57.tinypic.com/2qnnreh.jpg

In the background, underneath the Windows Components dialog, you can
see the other option. The other option is for Program Configuration.
In Windows 8, that's called Default Programs, and it has a "Custom" entry
in it as well my WinXP screenshot does. The purpose of "Default Programs"
is to make some shortcuts disappear. But, Default Programs doesn't do as
much damage, as removing the Windows component known as Internet
Explorer 11.

When you remove IE11, using Windows Components, this diff.exe output
shows you the changes to the Internet Explorer folder. Notice that
iexplore.exe has gone missing. With that program removed, it's
pretty hard for any link in an email program, to be opened by that file.
There is only one file of significant size that has gone missing.

12d11
-rw------- 5 mint mint 5120 Sep 29 2013 Program Files/Internet
Explorer/en-US/iexplore.exe.mui
20d18
-rw------- 3 mint mint 2843 Jun 18 2013 Program Files/Internet
Explorer/ie9props.propdesc
27,32c25
-rw------- 2 mint mint 809648 Mar 2 07:11 Program Files/Internet
Explorer/iexplore.exe
-rw------- 3 mint mint 340 Jun 18 2013 Program Files/Internet
Explorer/iexplore.VisualElementsManifest.xml
-rw------- 3 mint mint 891 Jun 18 2013 Program Files/Internet
Explorer/images/tinyLogo.scale-100.png
-rw------- 3 mint mint 1253 Jun 18 2013 Program Files/Internet
Explorer/images/tinyLogo.scale-140.png
-rw------- 3 mint mint 1335 Jun 18 2013 Program Files/Internet
Explorer/images/tinyLogo.scale-180.png
-rw------- 3 mint mint 659 Jun 18 2013 Program Files/Internet
Explorer/images/tinyLogo.scale-80.png
---
-rw------- 2 mint mint 5430 Jun 18 2013 Program Files/Internet
Explorer/images/bing.ico
44,45d36
-rw------- 5 mint mint 2696 Sep 29 2013 Program Files/Internet
Explorer/pris/resources.en-US.pri
-rw------- 3 mint mint 12160 Aug 22 2013 Program Files/Internet
Explorer/resources.pri
51,52d41
-rw------- 3 mint mint 525 Jun 18 2013 Program Files/Internet
Explorer/VisualElementsManifest.xml


If instead, I use the "Default Programs" method, the
Program Files/Internet Explorer/iexplore.exe remains
there in the folder. And that means, there is a possibility
for iexplore.exe to be executed. Yes, it disappears from
being pinned in the Task Bar. Certain visual appearances
can be removed. But the crucial factor is, the executable
is still there.

The folder continues to have content, no matter what you do.
The "Internet Explorer" folder is not removed.

Even when you use the Windows Components menu, and iexplore.exe
is removed, these are the folder contents afterwards. The supporting
files for Internet Explorer, are not even near to being eliminated.
There are still files in here with i* file names. I was not able
to determine, if any of these is the equivalent of an iehtml engine.

-rw------- 3 mint mint 570368 Feb 22 06:56 Program Files/Internet
Explorer/DiagnosticsHub.DataWarehouse.dll
-rw------- 3 mint mint 48128 Feb 22 07:01 Program Files/Internet
Explorer/DiagnosticsHub_is.dll
-rw------- 3 mint mint 255488 Feb 22 05:50 Program Files/Internet
Explorer/DiagnosticsHub.ScriptedSandboxPlugin.dll
-rw------- 3 mint mint 209408 Feb 22 05:56 Program Files/Internet
Explorer/DiagnosticsTap.dll
-rw------- 7 mint mint 10752 Sep 29 2013 Program Files/Internet
Explorer/en-US/DiagnosticsTap.dll.mui
-rw------- 3 mint mint 3584 Feb 22 09:42 Program Files/Internet
Explorer/en-US/F12.dll.mui
-rw------- 3 mint mint 52736 Feb 22 09:41 Program Files/Internet
Explorer/en-US/F12Resources.dll.mui
-rw------- 5 mint mint 2048 Feb 22 09:41 Program Files/Internet
Explorer/en-US/F12Tools.dll.mui
-rw------- 5 mint mint 2560 Sep 29 2013 Program Files/Internet
Explorer/en-US/hmmapi.dll.mui
-rw------- 5 mint mint 29184 Sep 29 2013 Program Files/Internet
Explorer/en-US/iedvtool.dll.mui
-rw------- 5 mint mint 2048 Sep 29 2013 Program Files/Internet
Explorer/en-US/ieinstal.exe.mui
-rw------- 5 mint mint 15872 Sep 29 2013 Program Files/Internet
Explorer/en-US/jsdbgui.dll.mui
-rw------- 7 mint mint 8192 Sep 29 2013 Program Files/Internet
Explorer/en-US/jsprofilerui.dll.mui
-rw------- 7 mint mint 30720 Sep 29 2013 Program Files/Internet
Explorer/en-US/networkinspection.dll.mui
-rw------- 2 mint mint 1796608 Feb 22 05:26 Program Files/Internet
Explorer/F12.dll
-rw------- 3 mint mint 8011776 Feb 22 07:08 Program Files/Internet
Explorer/F12Resources.dll
-rw------- 2 mint mint 326144 Feb 22 05:53 Program Files/Internet
Explorer/F12Tools.dll
-rw------- 2 mint mint 52224 Aug 22 2013 Program Files/Internet
Explorer/hmmapi.dll
-rw------- 3 mint mint 335872 Aug 22 2013 Program Files/Internet
Explorer/iediagcmd.exe
-rw------- 2 mint mint 871936 Feb 22 08:29 Program Files/Internet
Explorer/iedvtool.dll
-rw------- 2 mint mint 482816 Feb 22 05:34 Program Files/Internet
Explorer/ieinstal.exe
-rw------- 3 mint mint 222720 Feb 22 06:26 Program Files/Internet
Explorer/ielowutil.exe
-rw------- 2 mint mint 722432 Feb 22 03:24 Program Files/Internet
Explorer/ieproxy.dll
-rw------- 2 mint mint 359936 Feb 22 03:48 Program Files/Internet
Explorer/IEShims.dll
-rw------- 2 mint mint 5430 Jun 18 2013 Program Files/Internet
Explorer/images/bing.ico
-rw------- 2 mint mint 565248 Aug 22 2013 Program Files/Internet
Explorer/jsdbgui.dll
-rw------- 3 mint mint 142336 Aug 22 2013 Program Files/Internet
Explorer/jsdebuggeride.dll
-rw------- 3 mint mint 67072 Aug 22 2013 Program Files/Internet
Explorer/JSProfilerCore.dll
-rw------- 3 mint mint 618496 Feb 22 05:39 Program Files/Internet
Explorer/jsprofilerui.dll
-rw------- 3 mint mint 1850880 Feb 22 06:16 Program Files/Internet
Explorer/MemoryAnalyzer.dll
-rw------- 2 mint mint 400968 Jul 26 2013 Program Files/Internet
Explorer/msdbg2.dll
-rw------- 3 mint mint 1191936 Feb 22 05:25 Program Files/Internet
Explorer/networkinspection.dll
-rw------- 2 mint mint 542272 Jul 26 2013 Program Files/Internet
Explorer/pdm.dll
-rw------- 3 mint mint 105568 Jul 26 2013 Program Files/Internet
Explorer/pdmproxy100.dll
-rw------- 2 mint mint 161280 Aug 22 2013 Program Files/Internet
Explorer/perfcore.dll
-rw------- 2 mint mint 1477120 Feb 22 06:23 Program Files/Internet
Explorer/perf_nt.dll
-rw------- 1 mint mint 464 Jul 26 2012 Program Files/Internet
Explorer/SIGNUP/install.ins
-rw------- 2 mint mint 278528 Feb 22 06:25 Program Files/Internet
Explorer/sqmapi.dll
-rw------- 4 mint mint 3191 Jun 18 2013 Program Files/Internet
Explorer/Timeline.cpu.xml
-rw------- 2 mint mint 145920 Feb 22 05:43 Program Files/Internet
Explorer/Timeline.dll
-rw------- 3 mint mint 146432 Feb 22 06:28 Program Files/Internet
Explorer/Timeline_is.dll

As for the Internet Explorer file itself, there is a file with the same
checksum in the "store area". This would be done with hard links,
but I didn't gather any proof for you, of hard links. I used MD5 checksums,
computed for the entire C: drive, to help locate duplicate files. This is
an example of where the backup copy of iexplore.exe is stored for later.
The program loader does not normally execute content from WinSXS. It's
intended purely as an archive. It is termed a "maintenance directory"
intended for installation programs to perform maintenance on the
content in the system.

b015ecd030da9a979e6d1a3d25f8fd86 Program Files/Internet
Explorer/iexplore.exe
b015ecd030da9a979e6d1a3d25f8fd86
Windows/WinSxS/amd64_microsoft-windows-i..etexplorer-optional_31bf3856ad364e35_11.0.9600.17037_none_9c9 6ea4690a6d345/iexplore.exe


And that's how the file can be brought back later. By hard linking from
WinSXS store,
into the Program Files area. Hard linking saves space, with two file points
and one set of data clusters for the file.

I don't give a rat's ass what Microsoft claims. I try to find
evidence for what happens when you click buttons in Windows,
and work from there.

1) Windows Components removed iexplore.exe but does not
remove the original in WinSXS. That makes it harder for the
program to be run for any random reason.

2) The Program Defaults control makes fewer changes. It
leaves iexplore.exe in the Program Files area, and it is
then possible for the program to be executed by other programs
that know the name.

That still does not answer your question (if I can even remember
what your question was). The ingredients are there, if you
use Default Programs, for iexplore.exe to be run (somehow).
All it takes is any program invoking its name, and the
program will be found. While certain file associations
may have been removed, nothing prevents a program from
saying "shazam" and the IE window will appear.

You can use Process Explorer and Process Monitor, if you
want to log what is happening in your particular case.
And figure out an answer to your question. I can't do that
here, because I don't have any email set up in Windows 8.
My Windows 8 install is basically only used for
these little experiments. That's why it doesn't have
Start8 or ClassicShell in it, to spoil the "purity".

HTH,
Paul

That's a decent summary of what happens.

The two MSFT articles referenced earlier (turn off, disable etc.) are
carefully worded to accommodate the entire user base population that
might wish to tweak the calls to Windows and other MSFT applcation
programs that rely on and/or depend upon it and their integration within
Windows.

It also covers the legal side by offering a method and accepted by
organizations that spend or waste a lot of time on monitoring so-called
user choices for different geographic locales under the shroud of
competiveness.

Effectively, a token method that provides some flexibility but not
elimination for both sides (user and MSFT). Updates (program and
security) will continue to be offered, new versions deployed with o/s
installations (in time becoming mandatory). Also other MSFT program
udpates may reset Windows Update (AU component) to automatic, and enable
mandatory installation of new versions...and in some cases restore IE as
the default browser.

MSFT may provide information to limit IE, but they will never provide
the method to completely turn it off, disable, or remove it. There
sole objective will always be to protect IE and more importantly its use.



--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps

On Mon, 12 May 2014 16:12:44 -0400, Caver1
wrote:

No not the best solution just the easy way out to solve a problem. As
Goodguy stated it's like taking a sledge hammer to the problem when it
should be a simple problem to solve. Which it may not be.
How many browser problems do you think I have? There is only one.
I do have recovery disks. I have said that several times. The- just
reinstall Windows-has been a very common misconception to solve your
every problem in the windows world.

I would only hesitate to reinstall Windows to fix a problem because
although it's easy it takes so long to do. Provided you have
installation files for the OS and all your applications it's an easy
way to get back to an initial state where at least you know that
everything will work.

You just have to balance up the time likely to be needed to learn how
to fix it the "clever" way against the time taken to start from
scratch. I don't hesitate at all with Linux, as a complete working
installation with most main applications can be restored in about
twenty minutes, but with Windows it usually seems worth taking the
gamble that it might be possible to avoid spending a day reinstalling
it. The trouble with gambling is that sometimes you lose. You may
spend two or three days trying to find an elegant fix for the problem
but eventually have to admit that you're just wasting time and end up
reinstalling the system anyway.

Rod.

Good Guy wrote:
On 12/05/2014 17:27, Alias wrote:
Caver1 wrote:
Where have I refused Help? Show me.

I advised you to reinstall Windows. You refused to do so.

Alias,

He hasn't refused anything; He simply doesn't know how to do without
the disks. We should be telling him about recovery disks and all that
instead of attacking him. The guy seriously needs help and we should
help him as much as we can.




He doesn't want help. Every time help is offered he comes back with a
reason why the help is no good. I'm done with him.

--
Alias

On Tue, 13 May 2014 07:45:35 +0100, Roderick Stewart
wrote:


I would only hesitate to reinstall Windows to fix a problem because
although it's easy it takes so long to do. Provided you have
installation files for the OS and all your applications it's an easy
way to get back to an initial state where at least you know that
everything will work.



Taking a long time to do is only one of the reasons it's usually a bad
thing to do.

In my view, it's usually a mistake. With a modicum of care, it should
never be necessary to reinstall Windows (any version). I've run
Windows 2.0, 3.0, 3.1, 3.11, WFWG 3.11, Windows 95, Windows 98,
Windows 2000, Windows XP, Windows Vista, Windows 7, Windows 8, and now
Windows 8.1, each for the period of time before the next version came
out, and each on two or more machines here. I never reinstalled any of
them (with a single exception--a problem that I worked on for weeks
unsuccessfully), and I have never had anything more than an occasional
minor problem.

It's my belief that this mistaken notion stems from the technical
support people at many of the larger OEMs. Their solution to almost
any problem they don't quickly know the answer to is "reformat and
reinstall." That's the perfect solution for them. It gets you off the
phone quickly, it almost always works, and it doesn't require them to
do any real troubleshooting (a skill that most of them obviously don't
possess in any great degree).

But it leaves you with all the work and all the problems. You have to
restore all your data backups, you have to reinstall all your
programs, you have to reinstall all the Windows and application
updates, you have to locate and install all the needed drivers for
your system, you have to recustomize Windows and all your apps to work
the way you're comfortable with.

Besides all those things being time-consuming and troublesome, you may
have trouble with some of them: do you have or can you find all the
drivers you need? can you find all your application CDs? Can you find
all the needed installation codes? Do you have data backups to
restore? Do you even remember all the customizations and tweaks you
may have installed to make everything work the way you like?
Occasionally there are problems that are so difficult to solve that
Windows should be reinstalled cleanly. But they are few and far
between; reinstallation should not be a substitute for
troubleshooting; it should be a last resort, to be done only after all
other attempts at troubleshooting by a qualified person have failed.

And perhaps most important: if you reformat and reinstall without
finding out what caused your problem, you will very likely repeat the
behavior that caused it, and quickly find yourself back in exactly the
same situation.

On 05/13/2014 11:25 AM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Tue, 13 May 2014 07:45:35 +0100, Roderick Stewart
wrote:


I would only hesitate to reinstall Windows to fix a problem because
although it's easy it takes so long to do. Provided you have
installation files for the OS and all your applications it's an easy
way to get back to an initial state where at least you know that
everything will work.



Taking a long time to do is only one of the reasons it's usually a bad
thing to do.

In my view, it's usually a mistake. With a modicum of care, it should
never be necessary to reinstall Windows (any version). I've run
Windows 2.0, 3.0, 3.1, 3.11, WFWG 3.11, Windows 95, Windows 98,
Windows 2000, Windows XP, Windows Vista, Windows 7, Windows 8, and now
Windows 8.1, each for the period of time before the next version came
out, and each on two or more machines here. I never reinstalled any of
them (with a single exception--a problem that I worked on for weeks
unsuccessfully), and I have never had anything more than an occasional
minor problem.

It's my belief that this mistaken notion stems from the technical
support people at many of the larger OEMs. Their solution to almost
any problem they don't quickly know the answer to is "reformat and
reinstall." That's the perfect solution for them. It gets you off the
phone quickly, it almost always works, and it doesn't require them to
do any real troubleshooting (a skill that most of them obviously don't
possess in any great degree).

But it leaves you with all the work and all the problems. You have to
restore all your data backups, you have to reinstall all your
programs, you have to reinstall all the Windows and application
updates, you have to locate and install all the needed drivers for
your system, you have to recustomize Windows and all your apps to work
the way you're comfortable with.

Besides all those things being time-consuming and troublesome, you may
have trouble with some of them: do you have or can you find all the
drivers you need? can you find all your application CDs? Can you find
all the needed installation codes? Do you have data backups to
restore? Do you even remember all the customizations and tweaks you
may have installed to make everything work the way you like?
Occasionally there are problems that are so difficult to solve that
Windows should be reinstalled cleanly. But they are few and far
between; reinstallation should not be a substitute for
troubleshooting; it should be a last resort, to be done only after all
other attempts at troubleshooting by a qualified person have failed.

And perhaps most important: if you reformat and reinstall without
finding out what caused your problem, you will very likely repeat the
behavior that caused it, and quickly find yourself back in exactly the
same situation.



Thank you.

--
Caver1

On Tue, 13 May 2014 13:08:28 -0400, Caver1
wrote:

On 05/13/2014 11:25 AM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Tue, 13 May 2014 07:45:35 +0100, Roderick Stewart
wrote:


I would only hesitate to reinstall Windows to fix a problem because
although it's easy it takes so long to do. Provided you have
installation files for the OS and all your applications it's an easy
way to get back to an initial state where at least you know that
everything will work.



Taking a long time to do is only one of the reasons it's usually a bad
thing to do.

In my view, it's usually a mistake. With a modicum of care, it should
never be necessary to reinstall Windows (any version). I've run
Windows 2.0, 3.0, 3.1, 3.11, WFWG 3.11, Windows 95, Windows 98,
Windows 2000, Windows XP, Windows Vista, Windows 7, Windows 8, and now
Windows 8.1, each for the period of time before the next version came
out, and each on two or more machines here. I never reinstalled any of
them (with a single exception--a problem that I worked on for weeks
unsuccessfully), and I have never had anything more than an occasional
minor problem.

It's my belief that this mistaken notion stems from the technical
support people at many of the larger OEMs. Their solution to almost
any problem they don't quickly know the answer to is "reformat and
reinstall." That's the perfect solution for them. It gets you off the
phone quickly, it almost always works, and it doesn't require them to
do any real troubleshooting (a skill that most of them obviously don't
possess in any great degree).

But it leaves you with all the work and all the problems. You have to
restore all your data backups, you have to reinstall all your
programs, you have to reinstall all the Windows and application
updates, you have to locate and install all the needed drivers for
your system, you have to recustomize Windows and all your apps to work
the way you're comfortable with.

Besides all those things being time-consuming and troublesome, you may
have trouble with some of them: do you have or can you find all the
drivers you need? can you find all your application CDs? Can you find
all the needed installation codes? Do you have data backups to
restore? Do you even remember all the customizations and tweaks you
may have installed to make everything work the way you like?
Occasionally there are problems that are so difficult to solve that
Windows should be reinstalled cleanly. But they are few and far
between; reinstallation should not be a substitute for
troubleshooting; it should be a last resort, to be done only after all
other attempts at troubleshooting by a qualified person have failed.

And perhaps most important: if you reformat and reinstall without
finding out what caused your problem, you will very likely repeat the
behavior that caused it, and quickly find yourself back in exactly the
same situation.



Thank you.


You're welcome. Glad to help.