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Why is there no way to open the last download folder after a firefox
restart !!! ?

On 8/9/2018 7:43 PM, OG wrote:
Why is there no way to open the last download folder after a firefox
restart !!! ?


Have you tried asking at the mozilla.support.firefox newgroup? For
that, you need to create a free account in SeaMonkey for the
news.mozilla.org news server.

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On 08/09/2018 10:08 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
On 8/9/2018 7:43 PM, OG wrote:
Why is there no way to open the last download folder after a firefox
restart !!! ?


Have you tried asking at the mozilla.support.firefox newgroup? For
that, you need to create a free account in SeaMonkey for the
news.mozilla.org news server.

I use this server (news.mozilla.org) frequently, and there's no account
requirement there. Perhaps you were referring to setting up your newsreader.

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On 8/10/2018 1:15 PM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 08/09/2018 10:08 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
On 8/9/2018 7:43 PM, OG wrote:
Why is there no way to open the last download folder after a firefox
restart !!! ?


Have you tried asking at the mozilla.support.firefox newgroup? For
that, you need to create a free account in SeaMonkey for the
news.mozilla.org news server.

I use this server (news.mozilla.org) frequently, and there's no account
requirement there. Perhaps you were referring to setting up your newsreader.


In my newsreader, each setup for a NNTP (network news transfer protocol)
server is termed an "account".

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David E. Ross
http://www.rossde.com

Too often, Twitter is a source of verbal vomit. Examples include Donald
Trump and Roseanne Barr.

On 08/10/2018 04:38 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
On 8/10/2018 1:15 PM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 08/09/2018 10:08 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
On 8/9/2018 7:43 PM, OG wrote:
Why is there no way to open the last download folder after a firefox
restart !!! ?


Have you tried asking at the mozilla.support.firefox newgroup? For
that, you need to create a free account in SeaMonkey for the
news.mozilla.org news server.

I use this server (news.mozilla.org) frequently, and there's no account
requirement there. Perhaps you were referring to setting up your newsreader.


In my newsreader, each setup for a NNTP (network news transfer protocol)
server is termed an "account".

Yes. That is different from an account on the server, which that sounded
line. Also, I included the name of the server (news.mozilla.org). So,
not really wrong, but somewhat unclear.

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Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as
false, and by rulers as useful." Seneca the Younger (4? B.C. - 65 A.D.)

In message , Mark Lloyd
writes:
On 08/09/2018 10:08 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
On 8/9/2018 7:43 PM, OG wrote:
Why is there no way to open the last download folder after a firefox
restart !!! ?

Have you tried asking at the mozilla.support.firefox newgroup? For
that, you need to create a free account in SeaMonkey for the
news.mozilla.org news server.

I use this server (news.mozilla.org) frequently, and there's no account
requirement there. Perhaps you were referring to setting up your
newsreader.

There _is_ a requirement to register (or something) to use the
_newsgroup_ mozilla.support.firefox on the mozilla _server_. That server
does also carry unmoderated 'groups, such as mozilla.general .

(You don't of course have to set up the account in SeaMonkey - you can
do it in any news client software that is compatible with the server,
which I think means any that will do NNTP.)

The suggestion of asking in the Firefox support 'group is a good one.
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Sometimes you win, sometimes you learn.

On 08/10/2018 05:44 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

[snip]

There _is_ a requirement to register (or something) to use the
_newsgroup_ mozilla.support.firefox on the mozilla _server_. That server
does also carry unmoderated 'groups, such as mozilla.general .

I've posted there for several years, and read replies to my posts. There
was never anything about registering. I checked my "saved logons" (in
newsreader) and found nothing for Mozilla.

BTW, the other non-public server I use sometimes is news.grc.com, which
DOES have a special requirement for posting.

(You don't of course have to set up the account in SeaMonkey - you can
do it in any news client software that is compatible with the server,
which I think means any that will do NNTP.)

I use Thunderbird, which should be similar to SeaMonkey.

The suggestion of asking in the Firefox support 'group is a good one.

Yes.

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Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as
false, and by rulers as useful." Seneca the Younger (4? B.C. - 65 A.D.)

David E. Ross wrote:

OG wrote:

Why is there no way to open the last download folder after a firefox
restart !!! ?

Have you tried asking at the mozilla.support.firefox newgroup?

That's if you can past their moderator (Chris Ilias) who has severely
crippled that newsgroup with his prolonged absence (so pending articles
will expire), doesn't check e-mail status of submissions via their
NNTP-to-email gateway (yep, it's an mailing list first with an NNTP
gateway added), and when pointed out that he wasn't following Mozilla's
guidelines for moderators then managed to get that page removed.

If my submissions show up, they are delayed by 14 hours, or more. That
means discussions rather jerky. Some show up right away (I suspect
those are submitted through the email server rathe rather than through
the NNTP gateway or are on Chris' crony whitelist). If a subsmission
(for its new content, like in a reply) is long, like over 100 words,
Chris won't read it, so the submission expires or gets rejected. Chris
has an odd sense of what constitutes "on topic": you can ask for help
about Firefox but you cannot discuss Firefox (which he claims should go
in the general newsgroup but that discusses EVERYTHING regarding
Mozilla, not just Firefox). Even if you try to help someone by
explaining how Firefox works or why it does what it does, that
constitutes being off-topic to Chris. I can spend a lot of time in
researching and composing a reply to help someone but it has only a 15%
chance of showing up in the Firefox newsgroup. Respondents give up
because they waste a lot of time trying to help someone but cannot get
past Chris' bias and laziness.

"VanguardLH" wrote

| about Firefox but you cannot discuss Firefox (which he claims should go
| in the general newsgroup but that discusses EVERYTHING regarding
| Mozilla, not just Firefox).

And, general is pretty much a dead group. So
Chris is being disingenuous saying posts should
be made there. I stopped going to their server
altogether and gladly offer help in Windows groups.
It's the only realistic option.

That's the nice thing about usenet: It's just
about the only place left where we're all adults
with equal rights and not subject to having
ideas filtered.

Mayayana wrote:

"VanguardLH" wrote

| about Firefox but you cannot discuss Firefox (which he claims should go
| in the general newsgroup but that discusses EVERYTHING regarding
| Mozilla, not just Firefox).

And, general is pretty much a dead group. So
Chris is being disingenuous saying posts should
be made there. I stopped going to their server
altogether and gladly offer help in Windows groups.
It's the only realistic option.

That's the nice thing about usenet: It's just
about the only place left where we're all adults
with equal rights and not subject to having
ideas filtered.

I don't need nor want the hand-holding of moderators in Usenet. I have
yet to trial or use an NNTP client that doesn't let me define filters.
I get to decide how I filter Usenet for how I want to view it, not rely
on the bias and inefficiency of some human acting as moderator. For me,
if you don't filter then you accept a view of Usenet that shows all
articles and you'll have to use an on-deman filter (your eyes and brain)
to skip what you don't want to read - of course, after already seeing
it.

Yep, Ilias has destroyed the Firefox newsgroup. And no one at Mozilla
cares. There has NEVER been a call for other users to volunteer as
moderators to allow 24x7 coverage of the newsgroup (obviously Ilias
won't be present when he is at work or sleeping) and average out the
bias (all humans have some). Nor has Mozilla considered abandoning
their archaic maillist setup to which they grafted an NNTP gateway and
going straight to an NNTP server (e.g., INN). There is no guaranteed
delivery in e-mail protocols. There is no where for the mail server to
return a fail status to the submitter because the NNTP session has ended
by the time the mail server gets the submission, so the submitter never
knows that their submission ran afoul of some screwup in the mail server
on the other side of the NNTP gateway. And, no, I'm not wasting my time
trying to use e-mail to participate in a discussion in a [news]group.

If Mozilla wants to continue operating a mailing list for their help
groups, they should stick with just that method. Adding an NNTP gateway
just screws up the error status reporting scheme since the NNTP client
won't get notification back through the NNTP gateway when the mail
server ****s up. Mozilla should've moved to NNTP only a long time ago,
or they should've kept separate their mailing lists from their NNTP
newsgroups. Similar problems arise with web-based forums that employ
NNTP gateways to pretend they have a larger community while catering to
the newbies that only know how to use a web browser and installing,
configuring, and using an NNTP client is far beyond their comprehension
(i.e., use dumb interfaces for dumb users). The web-based "newsgroups"
are flat (no hierarchy) and often do not add the References header hence
destroying a conversation by starting new but disconnected threads.
Once an NNTP gateway is employed whether to an e-mail or web server,
that endpoint is unreliable for Usenet.

Ilias' moderation just adds insult to the already imperfect setup. It
is almost as though he relishes throwing salt on the wound.

VanguardLH,

Have you tried asking at the mozilla.support.firefox newgroup?

That's if you can past their moderator

My apologies for butting in, but do you have any idea where I post Win32 -
FF programming related questions with any hope of getting a reply ? I've
tried a few newsgroups (based on their names) on news.mozilla.org, but
either the post didn't turn up or was done in a pretty-much empty one (but
had to try regardless).

The thing is that I've been figuring out how to use FFs (16, later 52) DLLs
to set up an SLL connection (works), but have no idea how to verify an
incoming certificate (upto the CA). In short, I have no idea what the
callback in SSL_AuthCertificateHook should contain.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

R.Wieser wrote on 11/08/2018 6:20 PM:
VanguardLH,

Have you tried asking at the mozilla.support.firefox newgroup?

That's if you can past their moderator

My apologies for butting in, but do you have any idea where I post
Win32 - FF programming related questions with any hope of getting a
reply ? I've tried a few newsgroups (based on their names) on
news.mozilla.org, but either the post didn't turn up or was done in a
pretty-much empty one (but had to try regardless).

The thing is that I've been figuring out how to use FFs (16, later
52) DLLs to set up an SLL connection (works), but have no idea how to
verify an incoming certificate (upto the CA). In short, I have no
idea what the callback in SSL_AuthCertificateHook should contain.

Regards, Rudy Wieser

Rudy, as others are suggesting, getting a post to appear on the
mozilla.support.firefox news group on the news.mozilla.org news server,
but, if you're willing to wait a bit whilst your post get moderated, it
should, eventually, appear. SHOULD!

Another option ... I use the SeaMonkey Internet Suite (think Firefox
Browser + Thunderbird Email & News Client + HTML Composer +) and if I
want to find out what the developers are doing, I check out the
mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey newsgroup. I would expect there to be a
similar mozilla.devs.apps.firefox newsgroup, but it's probably moderated
as well, so you might have to wait there as well.

Another possibility could be irc://moznet/firefox on the
irc://irc.mozilla.org/ irc server. Maybe some Firefox Devs hang out there.

HTH

--
Daniel

Daniel60,

if you're willing to wait a bit whilst your post get moderated, it should,
eventually, appear.

I have monoitored the involved newsgroups for a few weeks after posting, but
never saw my post appear. For the others I either saw no other posts appear
(dead groups), or no response to it.

I check out the mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey newsgroup.

I was not aware that FF was part of the seamonkey a suite. So thanks for
the suggestion.

Another possibility could be irc://moznet/firefox on the
irc://irc.mozilla.org/ irc server. Maybe some Firefox Devs hang out there.

I'll keep that in mind a a last resort (do not like IRC much).

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

"OG" wrote

| Why is there no way to open the last download folder after a firefox
| restart !!! ?
|

You don't seem to have provided enough detail here.
Latest Firefox ESR? Why not say the version. I'm using
the latest Firefox ESR.... for v. 52.
And what's the last download folder? If you go into
Options you can choose to have FF ask where to put
downloads. There's no reason to let FF decide to put
them somewhere down in the depths of the user folder
catacombs.

As David said, you can also ask in the Mozilla newsgroup.
Personally, I wouldn't recommend that. I was there for
awhile but it's run by zealots who don't like anyone
using a critical tone in reference to Mozilla products.
If they don't like your question it just won't show up.
Their toys, their rules.

OG,

Why is there no way to open the last download folder after a firefox
restart !!! ?

Tools - Downloads - rightclick the (last downloaded) file - click "open
containing folder"

Regards,
Rudy Wieser