Mail Windows 10

I was looking at the Mail program in Windows 10. I could find no
evidence of the following:

1. There appears to be no way of maintaining an integral contact list in
the mail program.


2. I could find no way of changing the ISP ports in the Account setup
for Windows 10 Mail.


3. I could see no way of setting up a newsgroup account in Windows 10 mail.

4. I see no way to add clippings to the Mail compose window. I have
many clippings that I can add to an email that I am composing. They are
short cuts added with a right mouse click. (There are several version of
my address so it can be used in various situations. I have a clipping
with my and my wife's email address. etc.)

I doubt since this is Micro soft if those same clipping can be shared
with the current MS browser like my current browse, but it would be a plus.

Are my bifocals in need of adjustment and I missed something, or are
they not there.

All are necessary for me to consider Windows 10 mail as an alternative
to my present Email application

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I was looking at the Mail program in Windows 10. I could find no
evidence of the following:

1. There appears to be no way of maintaining an integral contact list in
the mail program.


2. I could find no way of changing the ISP ports in the Account setup
for Windows 10 Mail.


3. I could see no way of setting up a newsgroup account in Windows 10 mail.

4. I see no way to add clippings to the Mail compose window. I have
many clippings that I can add to an email that I am composing. They are
short cuts added with a right mouse click. (There are several version of
my address so it can be used in various situations. I have a clipping
with my and my wife's email address. etc.)

I doubt since this is Micro soft if those same clipping can be shared
with the current MS browser like my current browse, but it would be a plus.

Are my bifocals in need of adjustment and I missed something, or are
they not there.

All are necessary for me to consider Windows 10 mail as an alternative
to my present Email application

Regarding the ports, I understand that when you set the security options
the ports are set "appropriately" - and they appear after the server
name, separated by a colon (a standard way of specifying a port).
However, there is also another field, following a further colon. That
appears to be a flag indicating that a secure connection is required,
but I couldn't find any documentation on this anywhere.

--

Phil, London

Keith Nuttle wrote:
I was looking at the Mail program in Windows 10. I could find no
evidence of the following:

1. There appears to be no way of maintaining an integral contact list in
the mail program.


2. I could find no way of changing the ISP ports in the Account setup
for Windows 10 Mail.


3. I could see no way of setting up a newsgroup account in Windows 10
mail.

4. I see no way to add clippings to the Mail compose window. I have
many clippings that I can add to an email that I am composing. They are
short cuts added with a right mouse click. (There are several version of
my address so it can be used in various situations. I have a clipping
with my and my wife's email address. etc.)

I doubt since this is Micro soft if those same clipping can be shared
with the current MS browser like my current browse, but it would be a plus.

Are my bifocals in need of adjustment and I missed something, or are
they not there.

All are necessary for me to consider Windows 10 mail as an alternative
to my present Email application

The Contacts are handled separately.

And you can already find lots of web articles
tearing Mail apart.

Trust your own instincts.

Part of the design intent, is to make a
"SmartPhone" Mail tool. So if you don't understand
the spartan nature of the interface, that's where
they're coming from. It has to look like some crap
you might find on a SmartPhone. You're supposed to
be happy about this. Smile. Look happy. Etc.

The design intent should be obvious from the
material on their "help" pages.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-ca/w...8/add-accounts

"See email from Outlook.com, Gmail, Yahoo! and other accounts"

That means the Mail tool is a "hub". A hub with restricted
set of protocol options.

"The Mail and People apps work together...
... People app help"

That means your contacts are handled separately.
And one would assume, this stuff is synchronized between
machines, a copy is on a Microsoft server, and so on.
Think "it's software as a service", where we're not
sure what the service is exactly.

As for an IP address for this and that, there seems
to be a smartphone specifier kind of format.

https://github.com/RainLoop/rainloop-webmail/issues/684

"IncHost":"imap.gmail.com", "IncPort":993, "IncSecure":1

The :1 seems to be a shorthand for using a secure protocol
on port 993, but this isn't something I've seen on a desktop OS.
It's not clear whether values other than "1" even make sense.

Now, see, I wouldn't even have got as far as you did. I've
seen the Microsoft track record on Mail, and it ain't pretty.
My expectations are already pretty low. How could they
make things worse ? They will try.

Paul

On 12/3/2015 12:13 PM, Paul wrote:
Keith Nuttle wrote:
I was looking at the Mail program in Windows 10. I could find no
evidence of the following:

1. There appears to be no way of maintaining an integral contact list
in the mail program.


2. I could find no way of changing the ISP ports in the Account setup
for Windows 10 Mail.


3. I could see no way of setting up a newsgroup account in Windows 10
mail.

4. I see no way to add clippings to the Mail compose window. I have
many clippings that I can add to an email that I am composing. They
are short cuts added with a right mouse click. (There are several
version of my address so it can be used in various situations. I have
a clipping with my and my wife's email address. etc.)

I doubt since this is Micro soft if those same clipping can be shared
with the current MS browser like my current browse, but it would be a
plus.

Are my bifocals in need of adjustment and I missed something, or are
they not there.

All are necessary for me to consider Windows 10 mail as an alternative
to my present Email application

The Contacts are handled separately.

And you can already find lots of web articles
tearing Mail apart.

Trust your own instincts.

Part of the design intent, is to make a
"SmartPhone" Mail tool. So if you don't understand
the spartan nature of the interface, that's where
they're coming from. It has to look like some crap
you might find on a SmartPhone. You're supposed to
be happy about this. Smile. Look happy. Etc.

The design intent should be obvious from the
material on their "help" pages.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-ca/w...8/add-accounts

"See email from Outlook.com, Gmail, Yahoo! and other accounts"

That means the Mail tool is a "hub". A hub with restricted
set of protocol options.

"The Mail and People apps work together...
... People app help"

That means your contacts are handled separately.
And one would assume, this stuff is synchronized between
machines, a copy is on a Microsoft server, and so on.
Think "it's software as a service", where we're not
sure what the service is exactly.

As for an IP address for this and that, there seems
to be a smartphone specifier kind of format.

https://github.com/RainLoop/rainloop-webmail/issues/684

"IncHost":"imap.gmail.com", "IncPort":993, "IncSecure":1

The :1 seems to be a shorthand for using a secure protocol
on port 993, but this isn't something I've seen on a desktop OS.
It's not clear whether values other than "1" even make sense.

Now, see, I wouldn't even have got as far as you did. I've
seen the Microsoft track record on Mail, and it ain't pretty.
My expectations are already pretty low. How could they
make things worse ? They will try.

Paul
Since I do not have an Facebook account or anything similar, and do not
plan on getting one; does that mean in SOL if I want contacts in Windows
10 mail

knuttle wrote:
On 12/3/2015 12:13 PM, Paul wrote:
Keith Nuttle wrote:
I was looking at the Mail program in Windows 10. I could find no
evidence of the following:

1. There appears to be no way of maintaining an integral contact list
in the mail program.


2. I could find no way of changing the ISP ports in the Account setup
for Windows 10 Mail.


3. I could see no way of setting up a newsgroup account in Windows 10
mail.

4. I see no way to add clippings to the Mail compose window. I have
many clippings that I can add to an email that I am composing. They
are short cuts added with a right mouse click. (There are several
version of my address so it can be used in various situations. I have
a clipping with my and my wife's email address. etc.)

I doubt since this is Micro soft if those same clipping can be shared
with the current MS browser like my current browse, but it would be a
plus.

Are my bifocals in need of adjustment and I missed something, or are
they not there.

All are necessary for me to consider Windows 10 mail as an alternative
to my present Email application

The Contacts are handled separately.

And you can already find lots of web articles
tearing Mail apart.

Trust your own instincts.

Part of the design intent, is to make a
"SmartPhone" Mail tool. So if you don't understand
the spartan nature of the interface, that's where
they're coming from. It has to look like some crap
you might find on a SmartPhone. You're supposed to
be happy about this. Smile. Look happy. Etc.

The design intent should be obvious from the
material on their "help" pages.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-ca/w...8/add-accounts

"See email from Outlook.com, Gmail, Yahoo! and other accounts"

That means the Mail tool is a "hub". A hub with restricted
set of protocol options.

"The Mail and People apps work together...
... People app help"

That means your contacts are handled separately.
And one would assume, this stuff is synchronized between
machines, a copy is on a Microsoft server, and so on.
Think "it's software as a service", where we're not
sure what the service is exactly.

As for an IP address for this and that, there seems
to be a smartphone specifier kind of format.

https://github.com/RainLoop/rainloop-webmail/issues/684

"IncHost":"imap.gmail.com", "IncPort":993, "IncSecure":1

The :1 seems to be a shorthand for using a secure protocol
on port 993, but this isn't something I've seen on a desktop OS.
It's not clear whether values other than "1" even make sense.

Now, see, I wouldn't even have got as far as you did. I've
seen the Microsoft track record on Mail, and it ain't pretty.
My expectations are already pretty low. How could they
make things worse ? They will try.

Paul
Since I do not have an Facebook account or anything similar, and do not
plan on getting one; does that mean in SOL if I want contacts in Windows
10 mail

Maybe put the contacts up on people.live.com ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Live

"people.live.com

An address book service, which allows users to keep track
and synchronize their contact's information. Allow users to
add contacts from other social networks including Facebook,
Twitter, LinkedIn, Google, Flickr and soon Sina Weibo and
Skype to their Microsoft account.
"

Some of those paths may be broken, like Facebook at least.

I tried the People App on my Win10 10586, and there
isn't anything of interest in there. It's like
a "Hello World" program.

Paul

On 12/2/2015 12:09 PM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
I was looking at the Mail program in Windows 10. I could find no evidence of the following:

1. There appears to be no way of maintaining an integral contact list in the mail program.


2. I could find no way of changing the ISP ports in the Account setup for Windows 10 Mail.


3. I could see no way of setting up a newsgroup account in Windows 10 mail.

4. I see no way to add clippings to the Mail compose window. I have many clippings that I can add to an email that I am composing.
They are short cuts added with a right mouse click. (There are several version of my address so it can be used in various situations.
I have a clipping with my and my wife's email address. etc.)

I doubt since this is Micro soft if those same clipping can be shared with the current MS browser like my current browse, but it
would be a plus.

Are my bifocals in need of adjustment and I missed something, or are they not there.

All are necessary for me to consider Windows 10 mail as an alternative to my present Email application

Use Thunderbird:
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/

I use it daily and manage my 20 GB of stored email in it.

Lynn

On 04/12/15 00:14, Lynn McGuire wrote:

I use it daily and manage my 20 GB of stored email in it.



We always knew that you are a very clever little girl. How did you get
all this knowledge? Your mummy must be very proud of you.

On 12/3/2015 7:14 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 12/2/2015 12:09 PM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
I was looking at the Mail program in Windows 10. I could find no
evidence of the following:

1. There appears to be no way of maintaining an integral contact list
in the mail program.


2. I could find no way of changing the ISP ports in the Account setup
for Windows 10 Mail.


3. I could see no way of setting up a newsgroup account in Windows 10
mail.

4. I see no way to add clippings to the Mail compose window. I have
many clippings that I can add to an email that I am composing.
They are short cuts added with a right mouse click. (There are several
version of my address so it can be used in various situations.
I have a clipping with my and my wife's email address. etc.)

I doubt since this is Micro soft if those same clipping can be shared
with the current MS browser like my current browse, but it
would be a plus.

Are my bifocals in need of adjustment and I missed something, or are
they not there.

All are necessary for me to consider Windows 10 mail as an alternative
to my present Email application

Use Thunderbird:
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/

I use it daily and manage my 20 GB of stored email in it.

Lynn
OP: I use it daily.

However I was looking ahead to the day there may not be a Thunderbird if
Mozilla can not find a home for it.

However with email there is little you can do to improve email, so even
if it bits the dust, and since Windows 10 is new I will use it to the
bitter end.

On 04/12/15 03:35, Keith Nuttle wrote:


However I was looking ahead to the day there may not be a Thunderbird
if Mozilla can not find a home for it.



Microsoft Outlook will always be there. It is not free but you can buy
Office 365 Home subscription for 65 bucks. This gives you free upgrades
for one year.

Alternatively, if you are working and if your company has Microsoft
Volume License, then you might get office 2016 for 9.95 bucks. Yes this
is less than a tenner and I have got them on my machine since Office
2007 (2007, 2010, 2013, 2016).

Office 365 Home includes Outlook.

Microsoft Office 365 Includes:
http://s4.postimg.org/eqmup0wh9/screenshot_www_microsoftstore_com_2015_12_04_03.pn g

Inline -
Keith Nuttle wrote:
I was looking at the Mail program in Windows 10. I could find no
evidence of the following:

MSFT did not make this piece easy when the comparison for contacts is
based on other stand-alone email clients that maintain local only
contact databases. Win10 People and Mail apps are the evolution of
Windows Live Mail and the Windows Phone - i.e. a syncable and integrated
approach

1. There appears to be no way of maintaining an integral contact list in
the mail program.

Win10's People contact app requires at least one syncable email account
as the source of the contacts. Multiple syncable email accounts can be
included in the People app - The People app has a 'Filter' option that
allows the user to select and include one or more of the syncable
accounts contacts. Once setup the 'People'(aka contacts) app's contents
is used for all configured email accounts.
Primary account options to setup contacts a
- MSFT account [Outlook.com, Hotmail, Live, Msn.com, 3rd party email
account registered as a MSFT account - the latter since it provides a
web account Inbox and includes the necessary syncable People web UI
(like the Outlook.com type accounts)]
- Exchange, Google, and iCloud accounts also meet the requirement
- If you've a MSFT account one can also sync(pull in contacts from
Twitter, LinkedIn, Google, Yahoo via the MSFT account web UI People app)
and thereby include those contacts in the local People app.


2. I could find no way of changing the ISP ports in the Account setup
for Windows 10 Mail.

Transparency on the Mail app is not the rule. MSFT designed the app for
use with syncable email accounts primarily their own(Outlook.com type -
Outlook/Hotmail/Live/MSn.com) and with support for the usual suspects
Exchange, Google,.Yahoo and other accounts using IMAP and by
configuration POP3.

The majority of email accounts should use the default that the app
automatically configures though not all email accounts will configure
automatically).

For manual setup one must choose the Advanced Setup option.
Defaults ports used by the Mail app a
110 and No SSL
587 and No SSL
995 with SSL
465 with SSL
993 with SSL for IMAP

The email providers ISP's are way behind in updating their instructions
for Win10 support...many articles(isps, web authors) for Win10 are
incorrect and just republished with the same instructions that worked
for 8.0, 8.1 with just a title change and thus outdated and useless.

Some email accounts deviate from the default ports while others that
honor the default ports still need port data added to the server line
(server followed by a colon and port #)

For example purposes:
pop.earthlink.net:110:0
smtpauth.earthlink.net:587:0

In the above example, I've shown the 0(zero) - since I've seen Earthlink
accounts functional with it and without it.

If the mail account doesn't setup the EAS, POP3 or IMAP properly it may
be necessary to append the colon to the server and add the port number.

The '0' may or may not be necessary. Some IMAP accounts setup with the
appended colon, port number and a '1'
e.g. Gmail
imap.gmail.com:993:1
smtp.gmail.com:465:1



3. I could see no way of setting up a newsgroup account in Windows 10
mail.

No such thing. Windows Live Mail released in 2008 is the last MSFT
client to include a newsgroup support. The 2011 and 2012 versions still
provide newsgroup support with relatively the same code released in
2008. (Don't wait for one from MSFT to ever appear again)

4. I see no way to add clippings to the Mail compose window. I have
many clippings that I can add to an email that I am composing. They are
short cuts added with a right mouse click. (There are several version of
my address so it can be used in various situations. I have a clipping
with my and my wife's email address. etc.)

A unique signature is allowed for each configured email account. Beyond
that, cut and paste.

I doubt since this is Micro soft if those same clipping can be shared
with the current MS browser like my current browse, but it would be a plus.
Good luck on that account.

Are my bifocals in need of adjustment and I missed something, or are
they not there.
Trifocals won't help either.


All are necessary for me to consider Windows 10 mail as an alternative
to my present Email application.

Imo, if you are not using a MSFT(Outlook/Hotmail/Live/MSN.com using
EAS), Google(IMAP) Yahoo(POP3 or IMAP), or an Exchange supported type
account with the sync-ability they offer and provide...you'll be be
better off with a another email client. My preference continues to be
Outlook for all types - EAS, POP3, and IMAP...though for my Surface 3
where I don't need all the bells and whistles of Outlook the W10 Mail
app meets a basic, simple need === but nothing more and imo, it will
never provide much more for quite some time.


--
....winston
msft mvp windows experience

On 12/3/2015 11:02 PM, Good Guy wrote:
On 04/12/15 03:35, Keith Nuttle wrote:


However I was looking ahead to the day there may not be a Thunderbird
if Mozilla can not find a home for it.



Microsoft Outlook will always be there. It is not free but you can buy
Office 365 Home subscription for 65 bucks. This gives you free upgrades
for one year.

Alternatively, if you are working and if your company has Microsoft
Volume License, then you might get office 2016 for 9.95 bucks. Yes this
is less than a tenner and I have got them on my machine since Office
2007 (2007, 2010, 2013, 2016).

Office 365 Home includes Outlook.

Microsoft Office 365 Includes:
http://s4.postimg.org/eqmup0wh9/screenshot_www_microsoftstore_com_2015_12_04_03.pn g



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So in other words if you are retired, on a limited budget, watching your
saving disappear as the stock market close less than it started a year,
you need to stay away from MS

On 04/12/2015 12:51, Keith Nuttle wrote:
So in other words if you are retired, on a limited budget, watching
your saving disappear as the stock market close less than it started a
year, you need to stay away from MS

No this is not so. If you are retired then you can spend time on
Microsoft's own Official forums and help people out and in return, if
everything goes right, you get a free subscription to Microsoft's Office
365, renewable annually depending on what assistance you have given to
Microsoft customers. Speaking from experience here. Can't say more here
because we don't need trolls on there.

I also get free subscription to Adobe Creative Cloud and now,
hopefully, in the new year I will get a special badge of honour called
ACP (Adobe Community Professional - currently MVP - Most valuable
participant). Been recommended so it is just a wait & see situation.

These newsgroups are almost dead. I hardly see many postings here -
partly due to filters and partly people have died. Mind you we had all
sorts here - Drug junkies, child abusers, Small boys abusers, Stupid
people like San Brown and, of course octogenarians. It looks like they
have all died and in the new year I expect to open a bottle of Champaign
currently on ice and review the filter list as well.



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