Win 7 Home Premium updates - Win 10

On Fri, 9 Oct 2015 11:20:10 +0000 (UTC), Keith
wrote:

Do I have to migrate (don't like the word "upgrade" for now) to Win 10 or
is there a way I can delay until Win 10 has had its SP1 released?

I've been getting nag messages about "upgrading" for several weeks
now.

I finally decided to bite the bullet and after backing up my hard
disks I thought I would try downloading Windows 10.

A Window appeared on my screen with some circling dots and the words
"Starting download". After half an hour it was still there, and all
hard disk activity had ceased, so it wasn't downloading anything.

Has anyone actually succeeded in downloading Windows 10 and upgrading
from Windows 7. How long does the "starting download" process take? 1
hour, 2 hours, 3 hours, or several days?

Eventually I got tired of waiting for something to happen and stopped
it.






--
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Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

Steve Hayes wrote on 12/3/2015 8:17 PM:
On Fri, 9 Oct 2015 11:20:10 +0000 (UTC), Keith
wrote:

Do I have to migrate (don't like the word "upgrade" for now) to Win 10 or
is there a way I can delay until Win 10 has had its SP1 released?

I've been getting nag messages about "upgrading" for several weeks
now.

I finally decided to bite the bullet and after backing up my hard
disks I thought I would try downloading Windows 10.

A Window appeared on my screen with some circling dots and the words
"Starting download". After half an hour it was still there, and all
hard disk activity had ceased, so it wasn't downloading anything.

Has anyone actually succeeded in downloading Windows 10 and upgrading
from Windows 7. How long does the "starting download" process take? 1
hour, 2 hours, 3 hours, or several days?

Eventually I got tired of waiting for something to happen and stopped
it.


Took maybe 1-2 hours max. I'd say 1:30

Has anyone actually succeeded in downloading Windows 10 and upgrading
from Windows 7.

This is a standard upgrade from Win 7, however it depends
on your PC and hardware configuration.
Age of the hardware makes a difference.
Normally with older PC it takes much longer to upgrade .


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On Fri, 9 Oct 2015 11:20:10 +0000 (UTC), Keith
wrote:

Do I have to migrate (don't like the word "upgrade" for now) to Win 10 or
is there a way I can delay until Win 10 has had its SP1 released?

I've been getting nag messages about "upgrading" for several weeks
now.

I finally decided to bite the bullet and after backing up my hard
disks I thought I would try downloading Windows 10.

A Window appeared on my screen with some circling dots and the words
"Starting download". After half an hour it was still there, and all
hard disk activity had ceased, so it wasn't downloading anything.

Has anyone actually succeeded in downloading Windows 10 and upgrading
from Windows 7. How long does the "starting download" process take? 1
hour, 2 hours, 3 hours, or several days?

Eventually I got tired of waiting for something to happen and stopped
it.

--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop
uk

Steve Hayes wrote:
On Fri, 9 Oct 2015 11:20:10 +0000 (UTC), Keith
wrote:

Do I have to migrate (don't like the word "upgrade" for now) to Win 10 or
is there a way I can delay until Win 10 has had its SP1 released?

I've been getting nag messages about "upgrading" for several weeks
now.

I finally decided to bite the bullet and after backing up my hard
disks I thought I would try downloading Windows 10.

A Window appeared on my screen with some circling dots and the words
"Starting download". After half an hour it was still there, and all
hard disk activity had ceased, so it wasn't downloading anything.

Has anyone actually succeeded in downloading Windows 10 and upgrading
from Windows 7. How long does the "starting download" process take? 1
hour, 2 hours, 3 hours, or several days?

Eventually I got tired of waiting for something to happen and stopped
it.

Don't give up.

The first thing you should know, is the web page has different
behaviors, depending on "who is calling".

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...d/windows10ISO

The server sniffs the OS of the machine doing the download.
(It's not interested in where you plan to install it.)

WinXP, Linux - direct download link from unreliable server
V/W7/W8/W81/W10 - you are given a copy of MediaCreationTool.exe
- protocols are in place to make the download reliable

The server has been "adjusted" to give it a funny behavior. I
was using windowsupdate server today, trying to get a language
pack via direct download, and the download would always fail
at a "power_of_two" boundary. That's the same failure as the
failing direct link downloads I was given for Windows 10.

The MediaCreationTool ensures the received download is correct,
verifies the checksum, and has the protocol tweaks to make
the download work properly.

So the message would be, *don't* try to download the DVD using
WinXP. A WinXP user doesn't get MediaCreationTool, because
it is likely to have a .NET dependency.

Make sure you get a copy of MediaCreationTool.exe from the web
page, and do the download with that.

I think the ISO has two images, Pro and Home. So Pro and Home
are on the same disc. Whereas, when selecting the OS in
MediaCreationTool, you have to decide whether you want a
32 bit disc or a 64 bit disc. It in doubt, get both :-)
If you're on metered Internet (like the people who use
satellite), then a little more care is required. If
you're doing a one-shot install, you'd probably want
to match the 64 bit of your current OS. The 32 bit
one is handy, if you have lots of 16 bit software you
expect to run on a regular basis. For most other uses,
the 64 bit "is the future". The Adobe rental software
available today, is all 64 bit.

Paul

On 04/12/2015 04:32, Paul wrote:
[...]
The first thing you should know, is the web page has different
behaviors, depending on "who is calling".

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...d/windows10ISO

The server sniffs the OS of the machine

[...snip...]

Make sure you get a copy of MediaCreationTool.exe from the web
page, and do the download with that.

For Steve, here is the direct link to the M.C.Tool
http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=691209

Download it, log in to Windows as administrator, run the tool and have
an empty pendrive ready.

On Fri, 04 Dec 2015 03:17:43 +0200, Steve Hayes wrote:

On Fri, 9 Oct 2015 11:20:10 +0000 (UTC), Keith
wrote:

Do I have to migrate (don't like the word "upgrade" for now) to
Win 10 or is there a way I can delay until Win 10 has had its
SP1 released?

I've been getting nag messages about "upgrading" for several weeks
now.

I finally decided to bite the bullet and after backing up my hard
disks I thought I would try downloading Windows 10.

Same here, and eventually Windows downloaded the latest build (so
equiv. to SP1 mentioned above). The only issue was that the wifi
driver wouldn't work on Win10 and after some failed attempts to get
a driver to work, eventually I installed a different network card
which worked straight away without the need to manually install a
new driver. The upgrade install seems to be working well whereas the
original Win10 upgrade didn't and I had to resort to a clean
download DVD for final re-install.

On Thu, 03 Dec 2015 22:32:31 -0500, Paul wrote:

Steve Hayes wrote:
On Fri, 9 Oct 2015 11:20:10 +0000 (UTC), Keith
wrote:

Do I have to migrate (don't like the word "upgrade" for now) to Win 10 or
is there a way I can delay until Win 10 has had its SP1 released?

I've been getting nag messages about "upgrading" for several weeks
now.

I finally decided to bite the bullet and after backing up my hard
disks I thought I would try downloading Windows 10.

A Window appeared on my screen with some circling dots and the words
"Starting download". After half an hour it was still there, and all
hard disk activity had ceased, so it wasn't downloading anything.

Has anyone actually succeeded in downloading Windows 10 and upgrading
from Windows 7. How long does the "starting download" process take? 1
hour, 2 hours, 3 hours, or several days?

Eventually I got tired of waiting for something to happen and stopped
it.

Don't give up.

The first thing you should know, is the web page has different
behaviors, depending on "who is calling".

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...d/windows10ISO

The server sniffs the OS of the machine doing the download.
(It's not interested in where you plan to install it.)

Well, I tried again, and left it to get on with things.

I was a bit concerned that it didn't offer a choice between 32-bit and
64-bit, but after it had done its thing for 4-5 hours the familiar
Windows 7 screen came up, and it told me the update had failed,


--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

Steve Hayes wrote:
On Thu, 03 Dec 2015 22:32:31 -0500, Paul wrote:

Don't give up.

The first thing you should know, is the web page has different
behaviors, depending on "who is calling".

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...d/windows10ISO

The server sniffs the OS of the machine doing the download.
(It's not interested in where you plan to install it.)

Well, I tried again, and left it to get on with things.

I was a bit concerned that it didn't offer a choice between 32-bit and
64-bit, but after it had done its thing for 4-5 hours the familiar
Windows 7 screen came up, and it told me the update had failed,

A GWX-orchestrated Upgrade install, will preserve bit-ness.
If the Win7 OS is x64, the in-place Upgrade install should
also be x64. If you actually wanted x32, that would require
a second install (using the generated license key from the
first install).

The idea of getting the DVD, is to try to make it fail
in a more open fashion. On the previous OSes, there
was "Upgrade Advisor", which checked hardware prerequisites
and gave a list of incompatible software.

In GWX, there was a similar function, but the output is
more hidden, sits in config.xml, and is generally not
information a user can use. Since you claim the upgrade
started installing, then you've passed all of those
checks, and some migration step, or your general setup
is unusual. For example, it is not recommended to move
reparse points to D: (like move the entire user account
over there), as Microsoft installers don't handle that
case well. Even though it's a variable they left in
the mix, and they know about it.

You can look for files with names like "setupact.log" or
similar. An attempted upgrade install may leave a copy
of those, one in the C:\$WINDOWS.~BT folder. The Upgrade
install has multiple phases. C:\$WINDOWS.~BT can be used
for staging. A log file may be in there. Later install
phases (after a reboot) are stored in a different place.

*******

If you download the DVD using MediaCreationTool, then run
setup.exe off the image, that should give an opportunity
for more immediate feedback.

I can't test any of this stuff, because Upgrade installs
only install to activated OSes, so I can't "fake" it without
putting a real license key into the mix. And I have no intention
of doing that for Win10. I have a Win10 Insider setup, and
that's enough of an "experience" for me right now.

I hope you made a backup before starting. If there are any
"issues", that's your insurance policy.

Paul

On 12/4/2015 5:38 AM, mechanic wrote:
On Fri, 04 Dec 2015 03:17:43 +0200, Steve Hayes wrote:

On Fri, 9 Oct 2015 11:20:10 +0000 (UTC), Keith
wrote:

Do I have to migrate (don't like the word "upgrade" for now) to
Win 10 or is there a way I can delay until Win 10 has had its
SP1 released?

I've been getting nag messages about "upgrading" for several weeks
now.

I finally decided to bite the bullet and after backing up my hard
disks I thought I would try downloading Windows 10.

Same here, and eventually Windows downloaded the latest build (so
equiv. to SP1 mentioned above). The only issue was that the wifi
driver wouldn't work on Win10 and after some failed attempts to get
a driver to work, eventually I installed a different network card
which worked straight away without the need to manually install a
new driver. The upgrade install seems to be working well whereas the
original Win10 upgrade didn't and I had to resort to a clean
download DVD for final re-install.

My Intel Wifi card was unreliable until I discovered Device drives may
to be automatically updated or even duplicated.

Cleaning up using Device manager removing duplicates and checking each
device for updates sped up the machines quite well and fixed the Wifi
and many of the reliability issues.

Sad to say, Windows 10 upgrade/updates isn't ready for end users that do
not have geek squad on speed dial. I am telling none technical users to
hold off on Windows 10 upgrades.