Is it possible to install XP if the XP-CD is pre-copied to a blank harddrive?

Tim Meddick wrote on 24-04-2009 :
Is your problem that you can't access the cd-rom
from DOS? If so I will explain how, just give us the word.

He did that yesterday. The "DOS-equipped" drive is meant to be moved to
a system with no means of accessing external devices.

I don't know if this means no network port either. If there is a PXE
capable network port (and a 2003 server), I'd install from a RIS
server.

--
/klaus

Klaus,
I only know the limitations of my own knowledge, what you say is
beyond me, unfortunately. The guy asked a question and wanted an answer to
it, not other suggestions (he said). I haven't read 'every one' of the
posts in this thread as most seem to be just bickering at one another, so
didn't pick up on that fact. So anyway, I gave him the answer to the
question he wanted answering. Sorry if it was too late, but then I'm sure
lots of people are queuing up to tell you that I am quite slow.

--

Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London.


"Klaus Jorgensen" wrote in message
...
Tim Meddick wrote on 24-04-2009 :
Is your problem that you can't access the cd-rom from DOS? If so I will
explain how, just give us the word.

He did that yesterday. The "DOS-equipped" drive is meant to be moved to a
system with no means of accessing external devices.

I don't know if this means no network port either. If there is a PXE
capable network port (and a 2003 server), I'd install from a RIS server.

--
/klaus

Klaus,
I only know the limitations of my own knowledge, what you say is
beyond me, unfortunately. The guy asked a question and wanted an answer to
it, not other suggestions (he said). I haven't read 'every one' of the
posts in this thread as most seem to be just bickering at one another, so
didn't pick up on that fact. So anyway, I gave him the answer to the
question he wanted answering. Sorry if it was too late, but then I'm sure
lots of people are queuing up to tell you that I am quite slow.

--

Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London.


"Klaus Jorgensen" wrote in message
...
Tim Meddick wrote on 24-04-2009 :
Is your problem that you can't access the cd-rom from DOS? If so I will
explain how, just give us the word.

He did that yesterday. The "DOS-equipped" drive is meant to be moved to a
system with no means of accessing external devices.

I don't know if this means no network port either. If there is a PXE
capable network port (and a 2003 server), I'd install from a RIS server.

--
/klaus

Guy that is XP wrote:
....

If you'd wanted to have a serious exchange about this, with no
abuse involved, I'd continue with this sub-thread.

I'm still here, and I'm still waiting to see an answer posted.

But as you can't seem to manage to do that, this is end of thread
for me.

This newsgroup is not alt.conversation.etiquette or
alt.please.dont.offend.me.

If you want to discuss the finer points of conversational or
interpersonal etiquette, then I suggest you might find more
satisfaction elsewhere.

With the exception of your opinion on netiquette having nothing to do
with all this, I pretty much agree with everything you said. But you're
letting a few dummies make you lower yoruself to a trolish stance with
your insistance on the last word or whatever you're thinking. No one on
any group can cuase you to have negative feelings about anything unless
you let them, and to let them do so is just plain silly. I'm surprised
to see olorin(SP) allowing it too as IIRC he's usually above this kind
of tripe.
Carrying on such off-topic discussions with a shot-gun address list
to groups that have nothing to do with your quest only places all
participants onto all the post archives for all posterity to see and
hate, on top of dilluting their content. Then to continue the diatribes
without setting followups is sheer stupidity, actually. All you do is
advertise your attitudes and lose credibilityfor you actions in more
places than is necessary. Looks like I have a few more names to add to
my don't bother with list as I'm sure others are also doing.

f'ups set to first group that highlighted easily. You can see it' just
look.

Guy that is XP wrote:
....

If you'd wanted to have a serious exchange about this, with no
abuse involved, I'd continue with this sub-thread.

I'm still here, and I'm still waiting to see an answer posted.

But as you can't seem to manage to do that, this is end of thread
for me.

This newsgroup is not alt.conversation.etiquette or
alt.please.dont.offend.me.

If you want to discuss the finer points of conversational or
interpersonal etiquette, then I suggest you might find more
satisfaction elsewhere.

With the exception of your opinion on netiquette having nothing to do
with all this, I pretty much agree with everything you said. But you're
letting a few dummies make you lower yoruself to a trolish stance with
your insistance on the last word or whatever you're thinking. No one on
any group can cuase you to have negative feelings about anything unless
you let them, and to let them do so is just plain silly. I'm surprised
to see olorin(SP) allowing it too as IIRC he's usually above this kind
of tripe.
Carrying on such off-topic discussions with a shot-gun address list
to groups that have nothing to do with your quest only places all
participants onto all the post archives for all posterity to see and
hate, on top of dilluting their content. Then to continue the diatribes
without setting followups is sheer stupidity, actually. All you do is
advertise your attitudes and lose credibilityfor you actions in more
places than is necessary. Looks like I have a few more names to add to
my don't bother with list as I'm sure others are also doing.

f'ups set to first group that highlighted easily. You can see it' just
look.

Yeah, right, as you continue to spread this tripe to multiple groups.

Tom [Pepper] Willett wrote:
condescending hooplehead.

"XP Guy" wrote in message
...
Top Poaster and Full Quoter "David B." wrote:

I would think that a person that goes by "XP Guy" would be able
to figure this out on his own. At the very least he would know
how to use a search engine.

You obviously can't read.

I said that from what I've found on the net, there are lots of people
asking this question, and no real definative answers.

Was there a reason why you also did not answer this question?

Is there a reason why your contribution to this thread was nothing
more than to take a lame shot at me?

Yeah, right, as you continue to spread this tripe to multiple groups.

Tom [Pepper] Willett wrote:
condescending hooplehead.

"XP Guy" wrote in message
...
Top Poaster and Full Quoter "David B." wrote:

I would think that a person that goes by "XP Guy" would be able
to figure this out on his own. At the very least he would know
how to use a search engine.

You obviously can't read.

I said that from what I've found on the net, there are lots of people
asking this question, and no real definative answers.

Was there a reason why you also did not answer this question?

Is there a reason why your contribution to this thread was nothing
more than to take a lame shot at me?

Shenan Stanley wrote:
XP Guy wrote:
If I have a blank hard drive that I've partitioned as FAT32 and will
boot into DOS, and if I copy the entire contents of an XP cd to the
drive, is there a way I can launch the XP installation process
after the machine starts and boots itself into DOS?

There doesn't seem to be much on the net that explicitly says you
can do that.

I've tried, and setup.exe requires that it be launched from a
protected mode (32-bit) environment (ie like win-98 I guess).

Some other comments I've come across is that possibly the install
can be started from DOS by running winnt.exe with the appropriate
command-line switches. Yet other comments refer to bart-pe.

So, it it possible?

Shenan Stanley wrote:
Yes.

Google could have told you that. ;-)

XP Guy wrote:
If that's true, I haven't found it yet.

If you have, is there some reason you're not posting it?

You didn't/haven't asked how.

You asked is there a way/if it was possible.

You seem (according to your own responses) just want to be given the
answers to the questions you ask.

I was/am obliging.

--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP

And doing so in many newsgroups for no good reason.
Why do you feel the need to comment on picqiune points?
What are you obliging? You say "am" but ... fail to mention what it is.
Why do you find it necessary to use so many newsgroups?
Do you know the answer or not?
If so, what is it?
Are you for real?
If so, how come?

These questions all need to be answered before a good response can be
coming your way.

Shenan Stanley wrote:
XP Guy wrote:
If I have a blank hard drive that I've partitioned as FAT32 and will
boot into DOS, and if I copy the entire contents of an XP cd to the
drive, is there a way I can launch the XP installation process
after the machine starts and boots itself into DOS?

There doesn't seem to be much on the net that explicitly says you
can do that.

I've tried, and setup.exe requires that it be launched from a
protected mode (32-bit) environment (ie like win-98 I guess).

Some other comments I've come across is that possibly the install
can be started from DOS by running winnt.exe with the appropriate
command-line switches. Yet other comments refer to bart-pe.

So, it it possible?

Shenan Stanley wrote:
Yes.

Google could have told you that. ;-)

XP Guy wrote:
If that's true, I haven't found it yet.

If you have, is there some reason you're not posting it?

You didn't/haven't asked how.

You asked is there a way/if it was possible.

You seem (according to your own responses) just want to be given the
answers to the questions you ask.

I was/am obliging.

--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP

And doing so in many newsgroups for no good reason.
Why do you feel the need to comment on picqiune points?
What are you obliging? You say "am" but ... fail to mention what it is.
Why do you find it necessary to use so many newsgroups?
Do you know the answer or not?
If so, what is it?
Are you for real?
If so, how come?

These questions all need to be answered before a good response can be
coming your way.

Peter Foldes wrote:
Twayne

Andrew is the resident idiot who always posts wrong info and a lot
times dangerous ones at that


"Twayne" wrote in message
...
Andrew E. wrote:
Actually youre trying to install xp as the "preffered method"
instead of a windows explorer installation..You dont install the cd
to the hd however,one simply installs xp cd,set the BIOS to boot to
xp cdrom as 1st boot priority,hd
2nd (for installation),save & exit BIOS,boot to xp cd (DOS),select
install xp,
delete the partition,create one,then xp formats & installs auto.The
copy cd to
hd will only cause a malfunction,also,FAT32 is not a preffered file
system,its
outdated,use NTFS.

Since he has a DOS boot partition, FAT32 is actually REQUIRED! Where
have you been?



"XP Guy" wrote:

If I have a blank hard drive that I've partitioned as FAT32 and
will boot into DOS, and if I copy the entire contents of an XP cd
to the drive, is there a way I can launch the XP installation
process after the machine starts and boots itself into DOS?

There doesn't seem to be much on the net that explicitly says you
can do that.

I've tried, and setup.exe requires that it be launched from a
protected mode (32-bit) environment (ie like win-98 I guess).

Some other comments I've come across is that possibly the install
can be started from DOS by running winnt.exe with the appropriate
command-line switches. Yet other comments refer to bart-pe.

So, it it possible?

Yeah, I've too much time on my hands the last few days so checked out
the lunacy factor just for entertainment value. Fortunately that's
about to come to an end. The extra time, I meang.

Cheers,

Twayne

Peter Foldes wrote:
Twayne

Andrew is the resident idiot who always posts wrong info and a lot
times dangerous ones at that


"Twayne" wrote in message
...
Andrew E. wrote:
Actually youre trying to install xp as the "preffered method"
instead of a windows explorer installation..You dont install the cd
to the hd however,one simply installs xp cd,set the BIOS to boot to
xp cdrom as 1st boot priority,hd
2nd (for installation),save & exit BIOS,boot to xp cd (DOS),select
install xp,
delete the partition,create one,then xp formats & installs auto.The
copy cd to
hd will only cause a malfunction,also,FAT32 is not a preffered file
system,its
outdated,use NTFS.

Since he has a DOS boot partition, FAT32 is actually REQUIRED! Where
have you been?



"XP Guy" wrote:

If I have a blank hard drive that I've partitioned as FAT32 and
will boot into DOS, and if I copy the entire contents of an XP cd
to the drive, is there a way I can launch the XP installation
process after the machine starts and boots itself into DOS?

There doesn't seem to be much on the net that explicitly says you
can do that.

I've tried, and setup.exe requires that it be launched from a
protected mode (32-bit) environment (ie like win-98 I guess).

Some other comments I've come across is that possibly the install
can be started from DOS by running winnt.exe with the appropriate
command-line switches. Yet other comments refer to bart-pe.

So, it it possible?

Yeah, I've too much time on my hands the last few days so checked out
the lunacy factor just for entertainment value. Fortunately that's
about to come to an end. The extra time, I meang.

Cheers,

Twayne

XP Guy wrote:
If I have a blank hard drive that I've partitioned as FAT32 and will
boot into DOS, and if I copy the entire contents of an XP cd to the
drive, is there a way I can launch the XP installation process
after the machine starts and boots itself into DOS?

There doesn't seem to be much on the net that explicitly says you
can do that.

I've tried, and setup.exe requires that it be launched from a
protected mode (32-bit) environment (ie like win-98 I guess).

Some other comments I've come across is that possibly the install
can be started from DOS by running winnt.exe with the appropriate
command-line switches. Yet other comments refer to bart-pe.

So, it it possible?

Shenan Stanley wrote:
Yes.

Google could have told you that. ;-)

XP Guy wrote:
If that's true, I haven't found it yet.

If you have, is there some reason you're not posting it?

Shenan Stanley wrote:
You didn't/haven't asked how.

You asked is there a way/if it was possible.

You seem (according to your own responses) just want to be given
the answers to the questions you ask.

I was/am obliging.

Twayne wrote:
And doing so in many newsgroups for no good reason.
Why do you feel the need to comment on picqiune points?
What are you obliging? You say "am" but ... fail to mention what it
is. Why do you find it necessary to use so many newsgroups?
Do you know the answer or not?
If so, what is it?
Are you for real?
If so, how come?

These questions all need to be answered before a good response can
be coming your way.

- Why do you feel the need to comment on picqiune points?
Given that 'picqiune" is not a word I know of - I might ask for
clarification (I won't.) It could have been a typo/spelling mistake. I
will infer it means 'little' in some way - if so - all points are valid
discussion topics once they are presented.

- What are you obliging? You say "am" but ... fail to mention what it is.
The OP asked a question - I did not infer more than what was actually
asked. I answered the direct questions. When the OP followed up, I
answered the follow up.

- Why do you find it necessary to use so many newsgroups?
I replied to the newsgroups the OP cross-posted to. Nothing more, nothing
less. As did you.

- Do you know the answer or not?
Assuming you mean to the expanded "how" question of the OPs - yes - and I
gave said answer some time ago.

- If so, what is it?
Assuming this is in reference to the last question asked, I am not going
to repeat it verbatim again in this reponse - but I will link to the entire
conversation so that you might peruse over it at your leisure.
http://groups.google.com/group/micro...409b97eb470a76

- Are you for real?
Yes.

- If so, how come?
Assuming reference to the last question, answer would be sentience.

I did not ask a question - so an answer will not be coming my way.

Yes - you meant to inject sarcasm, I'll let you judge your success.

--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
--
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

XP Guy wrote:
If I have a blank hard drive that I've partitioned as FAT32 and will
boot into DOS, and if I copy the entire contents of an XP cd to the
drive, is there a way I can launch the XP installation process
after the machine starts and boots itself into DOS?

There doesn't seem to be much on the net that explicitly says you
can do that.

I've tried, and setup.exe requires that it be launched from a
protected mode (32-bit) environment (ie like win-98 I guess).

Some other comments I've come across is that possibly the install
can be started from DOS by running winnt.exe with the appropriate
command-line switches. Yet other comments refer to bart-pe.

So, it it possible?

Shenan Stanley wrote:
Yes.

Google could have told you that. ;-)

XP Guy wrote:
If that's true, I haven't found it yet.

If you have, is there some reason you're not posting it?

Shenan Stanley wrote:
You didn't/haven't asked how.

You asked is there a way/if it was possible.

You seem (according to your own responses) just want to be given
the answers to the questions you ask.

I was/am obliging.

Twayne wrote:
And doing so in many newsgroups for no good reason.
Why do you feel the need to comment on picqiune points?
What are you obliging? You say "am" but ... fail to mention what it
is. Why do you find it necessary to use so many newsgroups?
Do you know the answer or not?
If so, what is it?
Are you for real?
If so, how come?

These questions all need to be answered before a good response can
be coming your way.

- Why do you feel the need to comment on picqiune points?
Given that 'picqiune" is not a word I know of - I might ask for
clarification (I won't.) It could have been a typo/spelling mistake. I
will infer it means 'little' in some way - if so - all points are valid
discussion topics once they are presented.

- What are you obliging? You say "am" but ... fail to mention what it is.
The OP asked a question - I did not infer more than what was actually
asked. I answered the direct questions. When the OP followed up, I
answered the follow up.

- Why do you find it necessary to use so many newsgroups?
I replied to the newsgroups the OP cross-posted to. Nothing more, nothing
less. As did you.

- Do you know the answer or not?
Assuming you mean to the expanded "how" question of the OPs - yes - and I
gave said answer some time ago.

- If so, what is it?
Assuming this is in reference to the last question asked, I am not going
to repeat it verbatim again in this reponse - but I will link to the entire
conversation so that you might peruse over it at your leisure.
http://groups.google.com/group/micro...409b97eb470a76

- Are you for real?
Yes.

- If so, how come?
Assuming reference to the last question, answer would be sentience.

I did not ask a question - so an answer will not be coming my way.

Yes - you meant to inject sarcasm, I'll let you judge your success.

--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
--
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

XP Guy laid this down on his screen :
If I have a blank hard drive that I've partitioned as FAT32 and will
boot into DOS, and if I copy the entire contents of an XP cd to the
drive, is there a way I can launch the XP installation process after the
machine starts and boots itself into DOS?

There doesn't seem to be much on the net that explicitly says you can do
that.

I've tried, and setup.exe requires that it be launched from a protected
mode (32-bit) environment (ie like win-98 I guess).

Some other comments I've come across is that possibly the install can be
started from DOS by running winnt.exe with the appropriate command-line
switches. Yet other comments refer to bart-pe.

So, it it possible?

I was curios so I just tried it in a virtual pc using MS Virtual PC
2007. Booted an old Win98SE CD, created a DOS-partition and launched
it. XCOPY'ed an XP CD to C:\XPCD and ran the WINNT.EXE setup program
with no switches.
When XP setup finishes, the Win98 DOS files are still on the C-drive
and there is an option in boot.ini allowing me to boot Win98 DOS, so I
just deleted the old files and removed the corresponding line from
boot.ini.

--
/klaus

XP Guy laid this down on his screen :
If I have a blank hard drive that I've partitioned as FAT32 and will
boot into DOS, and if I copy the entire contents of an XP cd to the
drive, is there a way I can launch the XP installation process after the
machine starts and boots itself into DOS?

There doesn't seem to be much on the net that explicitly says you can do
that.

I've tried, and setup.exe requires that it be launched from a protected
mode (32-bit) environment (ie like win-98 I guess).

Some other comments I've come across is that possibly the install can be
started from DOS by running winnt.exe with the appropriate command-line
switches. Yet other comments refer to bart-pe.

So, it it possible?

I was curios so I just tried it in a virtual pc using MS Virtual PC
2007. Booted an old Win98SE CD, created a DOS-partition and launched
it. XCOPY'ed an XP CD to C:\XPCD and ran the WINNT.EXE setup program
with no switches.
When XP setup finishes, the Win98 DOS files are still on the C-drive
and there is an option in boot.ini allowing me to boot Win98 DOS, so I
just deleted the old files and removed the corresponding line from
boot.ini.

--
/klaus