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Old February 26th 05, 08:59 AM
dougie
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Hi,

I have xp pro upgrade package from win 98 and would like some info about if
I need to reformat my hdd - do i need to completely reinstall win98 before
xp pro or can i simply copy a few files across from win 98 to allow xp pro
to recognise that I have a license for both?

thanks

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Old February 26th 05, 04:46 PM
Bruce Chambers
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dougie wrote:
Hi,

I have xp pro upgrade package from win 98 and would like some info about if
I need to reformat my hdd - do i need to completely reinstall win98 before
xp pro or can i simply copy a few files across from win 98 to allow xp pro
to recognise that I have a license for both?

thanks



Should it become necessary, sometime in the future, it's quite
possible to perform a clean installation using the Upgrade CD, provided
you have the true installation CD for the earlier OS.

Simply boot from the WinXP Upgrade CD. You'll be offered the
opportunity to delete, create, and format partitions as part of the
installation process. The Upgrade CD checks to see if a qualifying OS
is installed, and, if it finds none, it asks you to insert the
installation media (CD) of that OS. Unfortunately, an OEM
"Recovery/Restore" CD will not work for this purpose; you must have a
true installation CD, complete with the "\Win98" folder and *.cab
files, or the "\i386" folder of WinNT/2K.


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Old February 26th 05, 04:52 PM
Bruce Chambers
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philo wrote:




it's best to do a clean install of XP rather than do an "inplace" upgrade of
win98



On what specific data do you base this assertion? WinXP is designed to
install and upgrade the existing operating system while simultaneously
preserving your applications and data, and translating as many
personalized settings as possible. The process is designed to be, and
normally is, quite painless.

Some people will always recommend that you perform a clean
installation, rather than upgrade over an earlier OS. For the most
part, I feel that these people, while well-meaning, are living in the
past, and are basing their recommendation on their experiences with
older operating systems.

WinXP is designed to install and upgrade the existing operating
system while simultaneously preserving your applications and data, and
translating as many personalized settings as possible. The process is
designed to be, and normally is, quite painless. That said, things
can go wrong, in a small number of cases. If your data is at all
important to you, back it up before proceeding.


backup and data you need first...



Always a good idea. Things can go wrong, in a small number of cases.
If the data is at all important, it should be backed up before proceeding.


then bootup with the XP cd and do a clean install
(you will get the option to format the drive)



Again, why? The OP'd probably save a lot of time by upgrading his PC
to WinXP, rather than performing a clean installation, if he's no
hardware or software incompatibilities, and if his current OS has no
problems. Microsoft has greatly improved (over earlier versions of
Windows) WinXP's ability to smoothly upgrade an earlier OS.



during the install, you will need to insert your win98 cd for product
verification
but win98 does not need to be installed first..



Correct.

believe me, i have done many upgrades
and a clean install is the way to go...
"inplace" upgrades of win9x , though they can work...often tend to have
problems



Only if one hasn't properly prepared the system for the upgrade, or if
there are underlying hardware and/or software incompatibilities.


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Old February 26th 05, 04:59 PM
JT
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"dougie" wrote:

Hi,

I have xp pro upgrade package from win 98 and would like some info about if
I need to reformat my hdd - do i need to completely reinstall win98 before
xp pro or can i simply copy a few files across from win 98 to allow xp pro
to recognise that I have a license for both?

thanks


You have several practical (although perhaps not strictly legal)
options when using the XP Pro upgrade disk.

1) A true upgrade to your Win 98 computer in which case you simply
stick in the XP Pro upgrade disk and proceed. Not advised.

2) A clean install of XP Pro to the old Win 98 computer, in which case
the best option is to simply Fdisk the Win 98 OS into oblivion
beforehand. Keep reading...

3) A clean install of XP Pro to a *new* computer, different from your
old Win 98 computer. In this case simply stick a virgin hard drive
into your new machine and install away. Keep reading...

For cases 2 and 3, the XP Pro "upgrade" installation will ask for a
Win 98 install CD for proof of ownership. Note that a Win 98 SE
upgrade CD will suffice for such proof.

If you want to do case 2 or 3 but you don't have a Win 98 install disk
for proof, then you can try to borrow one. Otherwise, you will have
to install XP Pro onto a system with Win 98 OS installed. If you are
building a new computer for your XP Pro system then simply clone your
working Win 98 hard drive and install the clone in the new computer.
It doesn't matter that your cloned drive might not actually boot to
Win 98 on your new computer (hardware conflicts etc). All that
matters is that the Win 98 OS is on the drive. Be warned, however,
that if you attempt to do a *clean* install of XP Pro using your XP
Pro *upgrade* CD onto a Win 98 computer that has more than one hard
drive partition available (C and D partitions for example), XP Pro
will *insist* on creating a dual boot system. Therefore, for the
special case detailed in this paragraph, simply make sure that the
drive with Win 98 on it has only one partition and that there is only
one hard drive in the new system when you attempt your clean install
using your XP Pro upgrade disk.

JT

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Old February 26th 05, 05:12 PM
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In ,
JT typed:

"dougie" wrote:

Hi,

I have xp pro upgrade package from win 98 and would like some
info
about if I need to reformat my hdd - do i need to completely
reinstall win98 before xp pro or can i simply copy a few files
across from win 98 to allow xp pro to recognise that I have a
license for both?

thanks


You have several practical (although perhaps not strictly
legal)
options when using the XP Pro upgrade disk.

1) A true upgrade to your Win 98 computer in which case you
simply
stick in the XP Pro upgrade disk and proceed. Not advised.



Not advised by you, but advised by many of us.
Unlike with previous versions of Windows, an upgrade to XP
replaces almost everything, and usually works very well.



My recommendation is to at least try the upgrade, since it's much
easier than a clean installation. You can always change your mind
and reinstall cleanly if problems develop.



However, don't assume that doing an upgrade relieves you of the
need to backup your data, etc. before beginning. Before starting
to upgrade, it's always prudent to recognize that things like a
sudden power loss can occur in the middle of it and cause the
loss of everything. For that reason you should make sure you have
backups and anything else you need to reinstall if the worst
happens.


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Old February 26th 05, 05:47 PM
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"R. C. White" wrote in message
...
Hi, Philo.

it's best to do a clean install of XP rather than do an "inplace"

upgrade
of
win98


An upgrade from one version of Windows (Win98) to another (WinXP) is an
"upgrade", but not an "in-place upgrade".

An "in-place upgrade" is what we might call an upgrade from one version
(WinXP) to the same version (WinXP). See KB article 315341 for

instructions
for doing this.
How to perform an in-place upgrade (reinstallation) of Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/default...;en-us;q315341

We frequently recommend an in-place upgrade when a user needs to reinstall
WinXP without destroying the existing Registry. The Registry is contained
in several files within the \Windows folder. It holds a lot of critical
information about the existing WinXP installation, including entries for

all
the installed applications, users, etc. A "clean install" erases the
existing Registry and creates a new, empty one, with none of that history

or
other information. A reformat, of course, would do that and much more.

But
an in-place upgrade will reinstall WinXP itself while leaving most of the
Registry intact, preserving the installed applications and data, plus most
of the user's "tweaks". The in-place upgrade reinstalls the version that

is
on the WinXP CD-ROM used, so a visit to Windows Update is urged -as soon

as
the proper protection (firewall, antivirus, etc.) are in place - to be

sure
that SP2 and any later updates are (re)installed.

and a clean install is the way to go...
"inplace" upgrades of win9x , though they can work...often tend to have
problems


I agree with this (if we delete "inplace"). While many (most?) users have
success with an upgrade from Win98 to WinXP, others report - as you said -
that the "migration" of drivers and applications is less than 100%
successful. Many upgraders experience nagging minor hassles later and end
up doing a clean install after all. As you said, an upgrade from Win98 to
WinXP requires only that the Win98 CD be inserted momentarily to verify

that
the upgrade is permissible.

Dougie, you can boot into Win98, then insert the WinXP CD-ROM and upgrade
that way, as Colin suggested. Or you can boot from the WinXP CD and

choose
to upgrade; this way, the Win98 drivers (which WinXP cannot use) never get
loaded and don't have to be migrated to the WinXP version. (I've never
actually done a Win98-WinXP upgrade, so this advice is based on theory,

not
on my own experience.)

thank you for the clarification

at any rate, i have performed many XP installs
and upgrading an existing win98 installation
is just plain looking for trouble


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Old February 26th 05, 06:00 PM
philo
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"Bruce Chambers" wrote in message
...
philo wrote:




it's best to do a clean install of XP rather than do an "inplace"

upgrade of
win98



On what specific data do you base this assertion? WinXP is designed to
install and upgrade the existing operating system while simultaneously
preserving your applications and data, and translating as many
personalized settings as possible. The process is designed to be, and
normally is, quite painless.

Some people will always recommend that you perform a clean
installation, rather than upgrade over an earlier OS. For the most
part, I feel that these people, while well-meaning, are living in the
past, and are basing their recommendation on their experiences with
older operating systems.

WinXP is designed to install and upgrade the existing operating
system while simultaneously preserving your applications and data, and
translating as many personalized settings as possible. The process is
designed to be, and normally is, quite painless. That said, things
can go wrong, in a small number of cases. If your data is at all
important to you, back it up before proceeding.


backup and data you need first...



Always a good idea. Things can go wrong, in a small number of cases.
If the data is at all important, it should be backed up before proceeding.


then bootup with the XP cd and do a clean install
(you will get the option to format the drive)



Again, why? The OP'd probably save a lot of time by upgrading his PC
to WinXP, rather than performing a clean installation, if he's no
hardware or software incompatibilities, and if his current OS has no
problems. Microsoft has greatly improved (over earlier versions of
Windows) WinXP's ability to smoothly upgrade an earlier OS.



during the install, you will need to insert your win98 cd for product
verification
but win98 does not need to be installed first..



Correct.

believe me, i have done many upgrades
and a clean install is the way to go...
"inplace" upgrades of win9x , though they can work...often tend to have
problems



Only if one hasn't properly prepared the system for the upgrade, or if
there are underlying hardware and/or software incompatibilities.



first off...
a direct upgrade of win98 to XP *can* certainly work...
but it is less likely to.

win9x opertating systems
are quite different from NT-based operating systems
and only *rarely* would use the same drivers.
and yes, the drivers are supposed to be replaced during an upgrade...
but in actual practice there are often compromises made that leave one with
an unsatable
system

to upgrade win95 to win98 for example is quite safe

to upgrade win2k to XP is quite safe...

but it's not a good practice to attempt an upgrade from a win9x based OS to
an NT based OS
(regarless of what Microsoft has designed for)

FWIW: i have done well over 500 installations (of various operating
systems... not all microsoft)
for people over the last few years and have just wasted too much time
attempting to repair
bad upgrades!

OTOH: clean installs have worked fine virtually 100% of the time
( the ones that had problems, were typically minor and easy to fix)


  #8  
Old February 26th 05, 06:03 PM
Colin Barnhorst
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It depends on whether motherboard drivers are available to the OP on a cd.

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"philo" wrote in message
...

"R. C. White" wrote in message
...
Hi, Philo.

it's best to do a clean install of XP rather than do an "inplace"

upgrade
of
win98


An upgrade from one version of Windows (Win98) to another (WinXP) is an
"upgrade", but not an "in-place upgrade".

An "in-place upgrade" is what we might call an upgrade from one version
(WinXP) to the same version (WinXP). See KB article 315341 for

instructions
for doing this.
How to perform an in-place upgrade (reinstallation) of Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/default...;en-us;q315341

We frequently recommend an in-place upgrade when a user needs to
reinstall
WinXP without destroying the existing Registry. The Registry is
contained
in several files within the \Windows folder. It holds a lot of critical
information about the existing WinXP installation, including entries for

all
the installed applications, users, etc. A "clean install" erases the
existing Registry and creates a new, empty one, with none of that history

or
other information. A reformat, of course, would do that and much more.

But
an in-place upgrade will reinstall WinXP itself while leaving most of the
Registry intact, preserving the installed applications and data, plus
most
of the user's "tweaks". The in-place upgrade reinstalls the version that

is
on the WinXP CD-ROM used, so a visit to Windows Update is urged -as soon

as
the proper protection (firewall, antivirus, etc.) are in place - to be

sure
that SP2 and any later updates are (re)installed.

and a clean install is the way to go...
"inplace" upgrades of win9x , though they can work...often tend to have
problems


I agree with this (if we delete "inplace"). While many (most?) users
have
success with an upgrade from Win98 to WinXP, others report - as you
said -
that the "migration" of drivers and applications is less than 100%
successful. Many upgraders experience nagging minor hassles later and
end
up doing a clean install after all. As you said, an upgrade from Win98
to
WinXP requires only that the Win98 CD be inserted momentarily to verify

that
the upgrade is permissible.

Dougie, you can boot into Win98, then insert the WinXP CD-ROM and upgrade
that way, as Colin suggested. Or you can boot from the WinXP CD and

choose
to upgrade; this way, the Win98 drivers (which WinXP cannot use) never
get
loaded and don't have to be migrated to the WinXP version. (I've never
actually done a Win98-WinXP upgrade, so this advice is based on theory,

not
on my own experience.)

thank you for the clarification

at any rate, i have performed many XP installs
and upgrading an existing win98 installation
is just plain looking for trouble




  #9  
Old February 26th 05, 06:04 PM
Colin Barnhorst
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And then there is the issue of motherboard drivers as well.

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"Bruce Chambers" wrote in message
...
philo wrote:




it's best to do a clean install of XP rather than do an "inplace" upgrade
of
win98



On what specific data do you base this assertion? WinXP is designed to
install and upgrade the existing operating system while simultaneously
preserving your applications and data, and translating as many
personalized settings as possible. The process is designed to be, and
normally is, quite painless.

Some people will always recommend that you perform a clean
installation, rather than upgrade over an earlier OS. For the most part,
I feel that these people, while well-meaning, are living in the past, and
are basing their recommendation on their experiences with older operating
systems.

WinXP is designed to install and upgrade the existing operating
system while simultaneously preserving your applications and data, and
translating as many personalized settings as possible. The process is
designed to be, and normally is, quite painless. That said, things
can go wrong, in a small number of cases. If your data is at all
important to you, back it up before proceeding.


backup and data you need first...



Always a good idea. Things can go wrong, in a small number of cases. If
the data is at all important, it should be backed up before proceeding.


then bootup with the XP cd and do a clean install
(you will get the option to format the drive)



Again, why? The OP'd probably save a lot of time by upgrading his PC to
WinXP, rather than performing a clean installation, if he's no hardware or
software incompatibilities, and if his current OS has no problems.
Microsoft has greatly improved (over earlier versions of Windows) WinXP's
ability to smoothly upgrade an earlier OS.



during the install, you will need to insert your win98 cd for product
verification
but win98 does not need to be installed first..



Correct.

believe me, i have done many upgrades
and a clean install is the way to go...
"inplace" upgrades of win9x , though they can work...often tend to have
problems



Only if one hasn't properly prepared the system for the upgrade, or if
there are underlying hardware and/or software incompatibilities.


--

Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having
both at once. - RAH



  #10  
Old February 26th 05, 06:08 PM
Colin Barnhorst
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I agree with Ken. Do a virus scan and remove any spyware, defrag, and then
upgrade.

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"Ken Blake" wrote in message
...
In ,
JT typed:

"dougie" wrote:

Hi,

I have xp pro upgrade package from win 98 and would like some info
about if I need to reformat my hdd - do i need to completely
reinstall win98 before xp pro or can i simply copy a few files
across from win 98 to allow xp pro to recognise that I have a
license for both?

thanks


You have several practical (although perhaps not strictly legal)
options when using the XP Pro upgrade disk.

1) A true upgrade to your Win 98 computer in which case you simply
stick in the XP Pro upgrade disk and proceed. Not advised.



Not advised by you, but advised by many of us.
Unlike with previous versions of Windows, an upgrade to XP replaces almost
everything, and usually works very well.



My recommendation is to at least try the upgrade, since it's much easier
than a clean installation. You can always change your mind and reinstall
cleanly if problems develop.



However, don't assume that doing an upgrade relieves you of the need to
backup your data, etc. before beginning. Before starting to upgrade, it's
always prudent to recognize that things like a sudden power loss can occur
in the middle of it and cause the loss of everything. For that reason you
should make sure you have backups and anything else you need to reinstall
if the worst happens.


--
Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
Please reply to the newsgroup




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Old February 26th 05, 06:11 PM
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"philo" wrote in message
...

"Bruce Chambers" wrote in message
...
philo wrote:

[snip]

FWIW: i have done well over 500 installations (of various operating
systems... not all microsoft)
for people over the last few years and have just wasted too much time
attempting to repair
bad upgrades!

OTOH: clean installs have worked fine virtually 100% of the time
( the ones that had problems, were typically minor and easy to fix)



check here for instructions on how to be more successful with your upgrades
http://www.webtree.ca/windowsxp/upgrade_tips.htm

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www.webtree.ca/windowsxp



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Old February 26th 05, 09:09 PM
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philo wrote:



first off...
a direct upgrade of win98 to XP *can* certainly work...
but it is less likely to.


Again, what documentation or evidence can you provide to support this
claim? *Why* is it less likely to work? Nothing you've said below even
applies.


win9x opertating systems
are quite different from NT-based operating systems



Obviously.


and only *rarely* would use the same drivers.



That should read "never..."


and yes, the drivers are supposed to be replaced during an upgrade...



Not only "supposed to be," but have to be, if the device is to work
under the new operating system. WinXP won't even attempt to use the
Win9x device drivers, even if the files do remain on the hard drive.
The worst problem the Win9x drivers can cause is a the waste of a small
amount of hard drive space.


but in actual practice there are often compromises made that leave one with
an unsatable
system



"Unsatable?" Does an upgrade somehow make the computer hungry? (And
the correct word would be "insatiable.") If you mean "unstable," this
would occur only if the original OS were problematic to start with, if
other installed applications were incompatible with the new OS, or if
the hardware platform were incompatible, defective, or sub-standard.


to upgrade win95 to win98 for example is quite safe



Assuming there are no problems with the original OS, that all of the
Win95 device drivers were compatible with Win98 (which was often not the
case, if memory serves), other installed applications were compatible
with the new OS, and if the hardware platform is compatible,
non-defective, and not sub-standard, and there is no malware installed.


to upgrade win2k to XP is quite safe...



Again, assuming there are no problems with the original OS, that all of
the Win2K device drivers were compatible with WinXP (or were replaced by
WinXP-specific drivers), other installed applications were compatible
with the new OS, and if the hardware platform is compatible,
non-defective, and not sub-standard, and there is no malware installed.

Do you notice a trend, yet? Any upgrade can be problem-free, if the
underlying hardware is fully compatible with the new OS, if the existing
applications are fully compatible, and if the computer user properly
prepares and plans for the upgrade. Conversely, any upgrade over a
problematic OS, onto incompatible, defective, or sub-standard hardware
is likely to fail.


but it's not a good practice to attempt an upgrade from a win9x based OS to
an NT based OS



Again, can you produce any industry white-papers to this affect? On
what do you base your opinion?



FWIW: i have done well over 500 installations (of various operating
systems... not all microsoft)



Relevance? What percentage of these were properly prepared and
performed upgrades? What percentage were ill-prepared and poorly
performed upgrades? What, specifically, went "wrong" in the majority of
cases? What single common factor applies universally, to lead you to
summarily conclude that all upgrades are "bad?"


for people over the last few years and have just wasted too much time
attempting to repair
bad upgrades!


Well, obviously, an improperly performed upgrade can cause problems.
But how many properly executed upgrades have caused problems, though?




--

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Help us help you:
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  #13  
Old February 26th 05, 10:04 PM
philo
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"Bruce Chambers" wrote in message
...
philo wrote:



first off...
a direct upgrade of win98 to XP *can* certainly work...
but it is less likely to.


Again, what documentation or evidence can you provide to support this
claim? *Why* is it less likely to work? Nothing you've said below even
applies.


win9x opertating systems
are quite different from NT-based operating systems



Obviously.


and only *rarely* would use the same drivers.



That should read "never..."


Nope, i once could not find an XP or win2k driver for a modem...
and tried a win98 driver...it worked fine.
Note: that was a one time only experience!

and yes, the drivers are supposed to be replaced during an upgrade...



Not only "supposed to be," but have to be, if the device is to work
under the new operating system. WinXP won't even attempt to use the
Win9x device drivers, even if the files do remain on the hard drive.
The worst problem the Win9x drivers can cause is a the waste of a small
amount of hard drive space.


but in actual practice there are often compromises made that leave one

with
an unsatable
system



"Unsatable?" Does an upgrade somehow make the computer hungry? (And
the correct word would be "insatiable.") If you mean "unstable," this
would occur only if the original OS were problematic to start with, if
other installed applications were incompatible with the new OS, or if
the hardware platform were incompatible, defective, or sub-standard.


you know darn well that's a typo. *unstable*

to upgrade win95 to win98 for example is quite safe



Assuming there are no problems with the original OS, that all of the
Win95 device drivers were compatible with Win98 (which was often not the
case, if memory serves), other installed applications were compatible
with the new OS, and if the hardware platform is compatible,
non-defective, and not sub-standard, and there is no malware installed.


to upgrade win2k to XP is quite safe...



Again, assuming there are no problems with the original OS, that all of
the Win2K device drivers were compatible with WinXP (or were replaced by
WinXP-specific drivers), other installed applications were compatible
with the new OS, and if the hardware platform is compatible,
non-defective, and not sub-standard, and there is no malware installed.

Do you notice a trend, yet? Any upgrade can be problem-free, if the
underlying hardware is fully compatible with the new OS, if the existing
applications are fully compatible, and if the computer user properly
prepares and plans for the upgrade. Conversely, any upgrade over a
problematic OS, onto incompatible, defective, or sub-standard hardware
is likely to fail.


but it's not a good practice to attempt an upgrade from a win9x based OS

to
an NT based OS



Again, can you produce any industry white-papers to this affect? On
what do you base your opinion?



FWIW: i have done well over 500 installations (of various operating
systems... not all microsoft)



Relevance? What percentage of these were properly prepared and
performed upgrades? What percentage were ill-prepared and poorly
performed upgrades? What, specifically, went "wrong" in the majority of
cases? What single common factor applies universally, to lead you to
summarily conclude that all upgrades are "bad?"


Note: none of my statements have been an opinion. I have emperical results
for
anything I have posted. If I've ever posted on usenet something that I have
not personally
tested I've said so. Now, to answer your question...I did not want to imply
that I've attempted 500
upgrades of win98 to XP...I just wanted to say that I have a lot of
experience with installing operating systems in general...and of the many
installs i've performed...maybe only 50 involved an upgrade of win98 to XP.

The first time I did it (my own system)...I thought...well why not just take
the easy route and just directly
upgrade the win98 to XP? I checked compatability and uninstalled one app
that was questionable...
then did the upgrade. It all was quite simple and painless and seemed to all
go well. *However*
even though the win98(se) installation had been working well ...my XP
experience was not a good one. There were occasional crashes and subtle
system instabilites
which led me to question whether or not XP was really as good as I was told.
Anyway...since I has already backed up my data, I decided to just do a fresh
install , then reinstall all the same apps...That was two years ago or so
and my XP installation
has been rock stable.

Anyway...since i am an experimentor by nature...I have done perhaps 20 or so
direct upgrades of win98 to XP on either test machines...or for other
people...and found
approx half of them to be less than desirable . Although for the most part,
the upgrade
did work...the system was not as stable as it was after I formatted the
drive and just did a clean
install. After that, I decided to just stick to clean installs and have had
virtually no problems since.
That's why I always recommend a clean install.

Additionally: How likely is it that the win98 installtion is 100 % trouble
free?
Doing a fresh install of XP pretty much eliminates that unknown.
Also, with a clean install, the drive is formatted again...and if there were
any drive problems...
that should also be taken care of.

Plus, it turns out that to do a completely fresh installation really does
not take all that long...
even including re-installing the apps.

I still recall the time I had spent over 4 hours trying to rid someone's
machine that was plagued
with viruses...And ending up just formatting the drive and reinstalling
their apps...all
within 90 minutes!


for more reading see this:
http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase..._9xupgrade.asp

Note: on google, if you look for problems upgrading from Win98 to XP
you will get thousands of hits. Most of the experts advise to perform a
clean install.


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Old February 26th 05, 10:20 PM
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"Harry Ohrn" wrote in message
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"philo" wrote in message
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"Bruce Chambers" wrote in message
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philo wrote:

[snip]

FWIW: i have done well over 500 installations (of various operating
systems... not all microsoft)
for people over the last few years and have just wasted too much time
attempting to repair
bad upgrades!

OTOH: clean installs have worked fine virtually 100% of the time
( the ones that had problems, were typically minor and easy to fix)



check here for instructions on how to be more successful with your

upgrades
http://www.webtree.ca/windowsxp/upgrade_tips.htm



I assure you I've read and followed advice even more stringent that listed
on that site!


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Old February 26th 05, 10:42 PM
Colin Barnhorst
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I'll just bet you have.

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"philo" wrote in message
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"Harry Ohrn" wrote in message
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"philo" wrote in message
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"Bruce Chambers" wrote in message
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philo wrote:

[snip]

FWIW: i have done well over 500 installations (of various operating
systems... not all microsoft)
for people over the last few years and have just wasted too much time
attempting to repair
bad upgrades!

OTOH: clean installs have worked fine virtually 100% of the time
( the ones that had problems, were typically minor and easy to fix)



check here for instructions on how to be more successful with your

upgrades
http://www.webtree.ca/windowsxp/upgrade_tips.htm



I assure you I've read and followed advice even more stringent that listed
on that site!




 




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