registry cleaner and back up

The best advice you could give would be to have a good backup regime and
to avoid anything that touches the registry.

Cheers,

Cliff

D. Spencer Hines wrote:
Far too timid.

Not manly...

Use all the features in CCleaner...

Use Perfect Disk, Disk Cleanup and Acronis True Image too, of course.

Don't be a girly man.

DSH

"Enkidu" wrote in message
...

D. Spencer Hines wrote:

The Proof Is In The Pudding...

Try CCleaner and NTREGOPT.exe.

I use both and see performance increases aplenty.

Plus -- this is MUCH safer than trying to make MANUAL changes to the
Registry.

Sigh! Some people will believe this rubbish and hose their systems.
CCleaner is fine as a temporary file remover and system cleaner, just keep
it away from the Registry, is all.



--

Have you ever noticed that if something is advertised as 'amusing' or
'hilarious', it usually isn't?

Life is about avoiding risk taking if you want to keep your job.

Cheers,

Cliff

D. Spencer Hines wrote:
Life is about intelligent risk-taking and reward...

Not girly-man timidity.

DSH

"Unknown" wrote in message
et...

Why don't you teach people to be cautious instead of reckless?

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...
Far too timid.

Not manly...

Use all the features in CCleaner...

Use Perfect Disk, Disk Cleanup and Acronis True Image too, of course.

Don't be a girly man.

DSH

"Enkidu" wrote in message
...

D. Spencer Hines wrote:
The Proof Is In The Pudding...

Try CCleaner and NTREGOPT.exe.

I use both and see performance increases aplenty.

Plus -- this is MUCH safer than trying to make MANUAL changes to the
Registry.

Sigh! Some people will believe this rubbish and hose their systems.
CCleaner is fine as a temporary file remover and system cleaner, just
keep it away from the Registry, is all.



--

Have you ever noticed that if something is advertised as 'amusing' or
'hilarious', it usually isn't?

Intelligence is avoiding registry cleaners.
"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...
Life is about intelligent risk-taking and reward...

Not girly-man timidity.

DSH

"Unknown" wrote in message
et...

Why don't you teach people to be cautious instead of reckless?

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...
Far too timid.

Not manly...

Use all the features in CCleaner...

Use Perfect Disk, Disk Cleanup and Acronis True Image too, of course.

Don't be a girly man.

DSH

"Enkidu" wrote in message
...

D. Spencer Hines wrote:

The Proof Is In The Pudding...

Try CCleaner and NTREGOPT.exe.

I use both and see performance increases aplenty.

Plus -- this is MUCH safer than trying to make MANUAL changes to the
Registry.

Sigh! Some people will believe this rubbish and hose their systems.
CCleaner is fine as a temporary file remover and system cleaner, just
keep it away from the Registry, is all.

Cheers,

Cliff

From a girly man no doubt.

DSH

"Enkidu" wrote in message
...

Life is about avoiding risk taking if you want to keep your job.

Cheers,

Cliff

D. Spencer Hines wrote:

Life is about intelligent risk-taking and reward...

Not girly-man timidity.

DSH

"Unknown" wrote in message
et...

Why don't you teach people to be cautious instead of reckless?

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...

Far too timid.

Not manly...

Use all the features in CCleaner...

Use Perfect Disk, Disk Cleanup and Acronis True Image too, of course.

Don't be a girly man.

DSH

You appear to be the girly man----taking unnecessary and ridiculous risks.
No common sense.
"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...
From a girly man no doubt.

DSH

"Enkidu" wrote in message
...

Life is about avoiding risk taking if you want to keep your job.

Cheers,

Cliff

D. Spencer Hines wrote:

Life is about intelligent risk-taking and reward...

Not girly-man timidity.

DSH

"Unknown" wrote in message
et...

Why don't you teach people to be cautious instead of reckless?

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...

Far too timid.

Not manly...

Use all the features in CCleaner...

Use Perfect Disk, Disk Cleanup and Acronis True Image too, of course.

Don't be a girly man.

DSH

Nope...

I know what I'm doing.

You obviously don't.

DSH

"Unknown" wrote in message
. net...

You appear to be the girly man----taking unnecessary and ridiculous risks.
No common sense.

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...

From a girly man no doubt.

DSH

"Enkidu" wrote in message
...

Life is about avoiding risk taking if you want to keep your job.

Cheers,

Cliff

D. Spencer Hines wrote:

Life is about intelligent risk-taking and reward...

Not girly-man timidity.

DSH

"Unknown" wrote in message
et...

Why don't you teach people to be cautious instead of reckless?

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...

Far too timid.

Not manly...

Use all the features in CCleaner...

Use Perfect Disk, Disk Cleanup and Acronis True Image too, of course.

Don't be a girly man.

DSH

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...
From a girly man no doubt.

snip

What is this 'girly man' you keep on about. Are you some sort of pervert?

You only THINK you do.
"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...
Nope...

I know what I'm doing.

You obviously don't.

DSH

"Unknown" wrote in message
. net...

You appear to be the girly man----taking unnecessary and ridiculous
risks. No common sense.

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...

From a girly man no doubt.

DSH

"Enkidu" wrote in message
...

Life is about avoiding risk taking if you want to keep your job.

Cheers,

Cliff

D. Spencer Hines wrote:

Life is about intelligent risk-taking and reward...

Not girly-man timidity.

DSH

"Unknown" wrote in message
et...

Why don't you teach people to be cautious instead of reckless?

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...

Far too timid.

Not manly...

Use all the features in CCleaner...

Use Perfect Disk, Disk Cleanup and Acronis True Image too, of
course.

Don't be a girly man.

DSH

Enkidu wrote:
The best advice you could give would be to have a good backup regime
and to avoid anything that touches the registry.

Ouch. How do you install most programs then? The vast majority of them
make registry changes, some make very huge numbers of changes. A few
make no changes, but it's a limited set.




Cheers,

Cliff

D. Spencer Hines wrote:
Far too timid.

Not manly...

Use all the features in CCleaner...

Use Perfect Disk, Disk Cleanup and Acronis True Image too, of course.

Don't be a girly man.

DSH

"Enkidu" wrote in message
...

D. Spencer Hines wrote:

The Proof Is In The Pudding...

Try CCleaner and NTREGOPT.exe.

I use both and see performance increases aplenty.

Plus -- this is MUCH safer than trying to make MANUAL changes to
the Registry.

Sigh! Some people will believe this rubbish and hose their systems.
CCleaner is fine as a temporary file remover and system cleaner,
just keep it away from the Registry, is all.

Poprivet` wrote:

Enkidu wrote:
The best advice you could give would be to have a good backup regime
and to avoid anything that touches the registry.

Ouch. How do you install most programs then? The vast majority of them
make registry changes, some make very huge numbers of changes. A few
make no changes, but it's a limited set.

Good point. I meant anything that supposedly touches the registry with
the intent of tidying or improving things or that does bulk changes
(even with backups!). And the registry patches that supposedly make the
system run faster or something.

Cheers,

Cliff

--

Have you ever noticed that if something is advertised as 'amusing' or
'hilarious', it usually isn't?

"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 20:11:00 -0800, Linda W Linda
wrote:

Why did I purchase Registry Cleaner last week and tonight when I typed in
www.windows.com I was hit with Registry Smart that found over 1000 errors on
my computer after Registry Cleaner had found errors and fixes them after I
paid them the $39.95 fee last week? Now Registry Smart wants me to pay them
to correct these other 1000 errors. Is all of this a scam?


All registry cleaners are scams at best. At worst, they can completely
hose your system.

I strongly suggest you avoid using any registry cleaning program. They
are *all* snake oil. Cleaning of the registry isn't needed and is
dangerous. Leave the registry alone and don't use any registry
cleaner. Despite what many people think, and what vendors of registry
cleaning software try to convince you of, having unused registry
entries doesn't really hurt you.

The risk of a serious problem caused by a registry cleaner erroneously
removing an entry you need is far greater than any potential benefit
it may have.

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
Please Reply to the Newsgroup


Very interesting thread. Has the tinge of some of the 'old' flame wars of
the 70's and 80's. One source to consult on the topic is also an 'old timer'
around compters, Fred Langa. See his article on registry cleaners at
http://windowssecrets.com/2007/03/01...ers-worthwhile
JV16 has worked well for me for many years.

"Amadeus47" wrote in message
...


"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 20:11:00 -0800, Linda W Linda
wrote:

Why did I purchase Registry Cleaner last week and tonight when I typed
in
www.windows.com I was hit with Registry Smart that found over 1000
errors on
my computer after Registry Cleaner had found errors and fixes them
after I
paid them the $39.95 fee last week? Now Registry Smart wants me to pay
them
to correct these other 1000 errors. Is all of this a scam?


All registry cleaners are scams at best. At worst, they can completely
hose your system.

I strongly suggest you avoid using any registry cleaning program. They
are *all* snake oil. Cleaning of the registry isn't needed and is
dangerous. Leave the registry alone and don't use any registry
cleaner. Despite what many people think, and what vendors of registry
cleaning software try to convince you of, having unused registry
entries doesn't really hurt you.

The risk of a serious problem caused by a registry cleaner erroneously
removing an entry you need is far greater than any potential benefit
it may have.

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
Please Reply to the Newsgroup


Very interesting thread. Has the tinge of some of the 'old' flame wars of
the 70's and 80's. One source to consult on the topic is also an 'old
timer'
around compters, Fred Langa. See his article on registry cleaners at
http://windowssecrets.com/2007/03/01...ers-worthwhile
JV16 has worked well for me for many years.

And what do you mean by 'worked well'? I assume you mean it hasn't damaged
the Registry. If that assumption is correct will you explain what benefits
you have gained from running JV16 an how you measured those benefits.

I do not mean to be critical but the essence of the debate over Registry
Cleaners is an objective determination of the benefits, not that they remove
redundant entries from the Registry, I don't think anyone disputes that. If
the benefits are solely a reduction in the physical size of the Registry, I
believe we would all agree but might be tempted to add, so what?

Very interesting thread. Has the tinge of some of the 'old' flame wars of
the 70's and 80's. One source to consult on the topic is also an 'old
timer'
around compters, Fred Langa. See his article on registry cleaners at
http://windowssecrets.com/2007/03/01...ers-worthwhile
JV16 has worked well for me for many years.

And what do you mean by 'worked well'? I assume you mean it hasn't damaged
the Registry. If that assumption is correct will you explain what benefits
you have gained from running JV16 an how you measured those benefits.

I do not mean to be critical but the essence of the debate over Registry
Cleaners is an objective determination of the benefits, not that they remove
redundant entries from the Registry, I don't think anyone disputes that. If
the benefits are solely a reduction in the physical size of the Registry, I
believe we would all agree but might be tempted to add, so what?



Edward,

May I respectfully point you to the link to Fred Langa's article. He is
among many of the 'ancient' PC experts whose opinion is held in high esteem.
One of the points of his article (which, BTW, emulates the sentiments of
other experts on the topic) he makes is for heavy computer users (which I am)
a good registry cleaner is a necessity and it *does* help keep a machine
running under these conditions run faster after use. I suggest others who
are interested in this topic will find his article enlightening.

I am familiar with the article and with Langa. The article does not
prove that registry cleaners are of any value whatsoever - no
before-and-after benchmarks or any other measurements for that matter.
Langa starts with the unproven assumption that registry cleaners have
value and merely tries to decide which registry cleaner is best.

In addition to being a respected writer, Langa is also a businessman.
The population of potential subscribers and sponsor-patronizers who have
been deceived by registry cleaner hype is substantially larger than the
population of those who know better.

---
Leonard Grey
Errare humanum est

Amadeus47 wrote:


Very interesting thread. Has the tinge of some of the 'old' flame wars of
the 70's and 80's. One source to consult on the topic is also an 'old
timer'
around compters, Fred Langa. See his article on registry cleaners at
http://windowssecrets.com/2007/03/01...ers-worthwhile
JV16 has worked well for me for many years.
And what do you mean by 'worked well'? I assume you mean it hasn't damaged
the Registry. If that assumption is correct will you explain what benefits
you have gained from running JV16 an how you measured those benefits.

I do not mean to be critical but the essence of the debate over Registry
Cleaners is an objective determination of the benefits, not that they remove
redundant entries from the Registry, I don't think anyone disputes that. If
the benefits are solely a reduction in the physical size of the Registry, I
believe we would all agree but might be tempted to add, so what?



Edward,

May I respectfully point you to the link to Fred Langa's article. He is
among many of the 'ancient' PC experts whose opinion is held in high esteem.
One of the points of his article (which, BTW, emulates the sentiments of
other experts on the topic) he makes is for heavy computer users (which I am)
a good registry cleaner is a necessity and it *does* help keep a machine
running under these conditions run faster after use. I suggest others who
are interested in this topic will find his article enlightening.

Amadeus47 wrote:


Very interesting thread. Has the tinge of some of the 'old' flame wars of
the 70's and 80's. One source to consult on the topic is also an 'old timer'
around compters, Fred Langa. See his article on registry cleaners at
http://windowssecrets.com/2007/03/01...ers-worthwhile


Fred Langa is a "journalist" with absolutely no technical education,
training, or background. Read his bio. I always tell my customers
(those few who are aware of his existence, that is) to pay close
attention to what he says, and then do the exact opposite. They're much
less likely to go wrong, that way.

Just as he's blowing smoke, without providing a shred of supporting
independent laboratory evidence, in the article you cite. In the
earlier article he cites, he "reviewed" several so-called registry
"cleaners," and his *sole* criteria for judging the best, better, etc.,
was the number of times each one had to be run before it stopped
reporting "problems." At no time did he ever state whether or not any
of the "problems" found were real problems, nor did he state that any of
the "cleaners" improved the computer's performance.


JV16 has worked well for me for many years.


"Worked well" in what regard, precisely? I mean, other than separate
you from some of your money? (Which is its's purpose.)


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Bruce Chambers

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