10 Sucks !

On Mon, 21 Jan 2019 23:08:29 -0000, Chris wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jan 2019 19:36:25 -0000, Chris wrote:

On 18/01/2019 01:45, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 00:28:12 -0000, Paul wrote:

On Jan1, people swim in the ocean here. For maybe ten seconds.
That's the Polar Bear Club swim. (There are several cities
that conduct these events.) It's a kind of idiocy test.
And no, they don't throw you in. You have to enter on your
own. And volunteering to enter, is the "personality test".
Getting out is easy. These are generally done in shallow
water, so someone in a dry suit can pull you out if needed.
The fire departments here, are equipped to extricate fools
from cold water :-) (Zodiac, boat trailer, dry suits, there's
such a setup only a ten minute drive from me, ready to go.
Call 911 if you need help.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_bear_plunge

Are you serious? 10 seconds? Water is never cold enough to get out
that quickly. I can swim in zero degrees C water for a couple of
hours. Humans are warm blooded. Shivering doesn't mean you're going to
die, it means you've lost 1 or 2C (out of 17C required to die) and your
body is shivering to prevent further heat loss, not to mention brown fat
cells generating heat, and of course limiting heat loss by adjusting
blood flow to the skin.

You're either exaggerating,

Nope, I'll make some videos next time we get wintry weather here in
Scotland. I've just bought an HD video camera.

swim with a dry suit

Dry suits are for girls.

or actually a whale (or
have the blubber of one).

Fat people get colder, they don't have the metabolic rate to generate so much heat.

It's strange that mammals have evolved blubber to survive cold water
climates, then. Better to insulate than lose the heat. They'd have to eat
constantly to survive.

People with fat have not evolved it for that reason. They just eat too much, or more often they have a low metabolic rate, which means they can't generate as much heat as a healthy person.

Which if prolly what you're doing for two hours: swimming vigorously to
keep your temps up, but at a big calorific cost.

Swimming doesn't make me any warmer. Staying still can generate the same amount of heat from brown fat cells and shivering. The limitation remains the same, my body's stamina - the ability to generate energy over a long period of time.

In winter weather people die in around 30
minutes when submerged in cold (10ºC) water.

The official bull**** is actually 15 minutes at 0C, 30 minutes at 5C, and
a whole hour at 10C.

Hyper

Hypo, dimwit.

Typo, obvs.

The take more care you silly Aussie.

thermia kicks in when the core temp drops below 35ºC.

Wrong wrong wrong. You die at 20C.

Hypothermia is not the point at which die. That's death. Medically it is
defined as below 35°C.

That's ridiculous, since death is 20C. Why worry when you've lost only 2 of 17C required to lose life? Losing 2C just makes you shiver really hard, which creates a large amount of heat, stopping you getting any colder. I've often gone camping on a chilly night with no sleeping bag or clothes (above a pair of shorts), and shivered for the entire night. Didn't stop me sleeping or make me even feel ill. Just used more food.

The body is very sensitive to temperature changes.

The body reacts to them but doesn't come to any harm. Do you worry when you sweat? Most people will go running for hours and sweat continuously without any worry. Sweating is the same as shivering but for the opposite reason.

Just like 40°C is a 👎bad fever.

WTF is that thumbs down sign before the word "bad"? How did you do that?

Below 30ºC
you're unlikely to be conscious. At 20ºC you're long dead (except in
exceptional circumstances!).

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/hypothermia/

You're quoting th NHS? ROTFPMSL!

It doesn't matter what I quote, the definition is the same.

It's not a definition, it's a belief, by an organisation that couldn't organise a ****up in a brewery. They take our taxes and can't even cure the common cold.

On Mon, 21 Jan 2019 23:08:29 -0000, Chris wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jan 2019 21:03:09 -0000, David B. "David wrote:

On 21/01/2019 20:40, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jan 2019 20:31:11 -0000, David B. "David
wrote:

On 21/01/2019 18:36, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jan 2019 18:33:15 -0000, Chris wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jan 2019 20:55:29 -0000, David B. "David
wrote:

On 15/01/2019 20:40, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 13 Jan 2019 21:30:42 -0000, David B. "David
wrote:
[....]
Randy Knobloch was listed on LinkedIn as a Security Consultant

In fact, we messaged one another!

You mean LinkedIn is a real place? I just get spam from them from
people I've never heard of wanting to engage in some kind of
conversation about a business I'm not in.

It is! :-)

Here's the site of my protégé, a fellow of whom I'm enormously proud.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonathan...orth-97498226/

You'll even find a 'Recommendation' from me there! ;-)

I don't know how I ever got a linkedin account, but I constantly get
messages from people wanting to "connect" with me whatever that means.
So what's the purpose of this site?

A bit like Facebook for business. And a glorified business card.

Is it like a lonely hearts thing for businessmen?

Yeah, kinda

So no real purpose then. I'm quite sure a business finds customers
without that ****.

One principal purpose is for recruitment.

Recruitment is traditionally done through newspapers, or their online
equivalent. I've always looked for jobs in for example s1jobs.com

It's for the opposite purpose. Employers looking for staff!

Surely they should advertise through the usual channels?

That is the usual channels, nowadays.

I didn't need to use them last time I applied for a job, which must have been about 8 years ago. I use things like reed.co.uk, totaljobs.com, monster.co.uk, indeed.co.uk.

I'm regularly contacted by recruiters.

Thought you were retired?

On 21/01/2019 22:57, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jan 2019 22:43:14 -0000, David B. "David
wrote:

On 21/01/2019 21:19, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jan 2019 21:03:09 -0000, David B. "David
wrote:

On 21/01/2019 20:40, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jan 2019 20:31:11 -0000, David B. "David
wrote:

On 21/01/2019 18:36, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jan 2019 18:33:15 -0000, Chris
wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jan 2019 20:55:29 -0000, David B. "David
wrote:

On 15/01/2019 20:40, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 13 Jan 2019 21:30:42 -0000, David B. "David
wrote:
[....]
Randy Knobloch was listed on LinkedIn as a Security Consultant

In fact, we messaged one another!

You mean LinkedIn is a real place?* I just get spam from them
from
people I've never heard of wanting to engage in some kind of
conversation about a business I'm not in.

It is! :-)

Here's the site of my protégé, a fellow of whom I'm enormously
proud.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonathan...orth-97498226/

You'll even find a 'Recommendation' from me there! ;-)

I don't know how I ever got a linkedin account, but I
constantly get
messages from people wanting to "connect" with me whatever that
means.
So what's the purpose of this site?

A bit like Facebook for business. And a glorified business card.

Is it like a lonely hearts thing for businessmen?

Yeah, kinda

So no real purpose then.* I'm quite sure a business finds customers
without that ****.

One principal purpose is for recruitment.

Recruitment is traditionally done through newspapers, or their online
equivalent.* I've always looked for jobs in for example s1jobs.com

It's for the opposite purpose. Employers looking for staff!

Surely they should advertise through the usual channels?

I'm sure they do that too! LinkedIn enables potential employers to
directly contact people who they consider might fit their needs. I've no
doubt that recruitment agencies trawl the membership too.

I've never seen the need myself.* Plenty job adverts through traditional
channels.

This might come as a surprise to you, but advertisements in the press or
magazines is really the end of the line. Most people are recruited for a
job well before it comes to advertising a position.

Are you employable? Professionally qualified? If so, in what field?

Computer technician, although I've got a degree in Physics.

Wow! My late son got a good Physics degree from Manchester University
then worked for ICL as a computer whizz until his tragic death.

Yip, Physics degrees are useless, no jobs available.* I got my computer
jobs solely based on my hobby of computers.* My first job, I applied for
an Electronics Technician.* Somebody else got it, then 2 weeks later the
boss phoned me and said he'd seen I played with computers a lot as a
hobby (on my CV) and would I like a new post they'd just created.* That
lasted 6 years till I got fired for ****ing off the upper management.

That made me smile! :-)

Which part?

"I got fired for ****ing off the upper management."

So what did you then do to earn your living?

I got a very similar job elsewhere, which lasted for 2 weeks until I was
fired for continually sleeping in.* Then another one, which somehow paid
me less than I thought, so I resigned, then got another which lasted for
5 years until I became ill.* Since then I've been self employed.

Interesting things to put on your CV! Are you completely recovered now
from your illness? I do hope so.

--
David B.

Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jan 2019 23:08:29 -0000, Chris wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jan 2019 19:36:25 -0000, Chris wrote:

On 18/01/2019 01:45, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 00:28:12 -0000, Paul wrote:

On Jan1, people swim in the ocean here. For maybe ten seconds.
That's the Polar Bear Club swim. (There are several cities
that conduct these events.) It's a kind of idiocy test.
And no, they don't throw you in. You have to enter on your
own. And volunteering to enter, is the "personality test".
Getting out is easy. These are generally done in shallow
water, so someone in a dry suit can pull you out if needed.
The fire departments here, are equipped to extricate fools
from cold water :-) (Zodiac, boat trailer, dry suits, there's
such a setup only a ten minute drive from me, ready to go.
Call 911 if you need help.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_bear_plunge

Are you serious? 10 seconds? Water is never cold enough to get out
that quickly. I can swim in zero degrees C water for a couple of
hours. Humans are warm blooded. Shivering doesn't mean you're going to
die, it means you've lost 1 or 2C (out of 17C required to die) and your
body is shivering to prevent further heat loss, not to mention brown fat
cells generating heat, and of course limiting heat loss by adjusting
blood flow to the skin.

You're either exaggerating,

Nope, I'll make some videos next time we get wintry weather here in
Scotland. I've just bought an HD video camera.

swim with a dry suit

Dry suits are for girls.

or actually a whale (or
have the blubber of one).

Fat people get colder, they don't have the metabolic rate to generate so much heat.

It's strange that mammals have evolved blubber to survive cold water
climates, then. Better to insulate than lose the heat. They'd have to eat
constantly to survive.

People with fat have not evolved it for that reason.

Fat people are nothing to do with evolution.


Which if prolly what you're doing for two hours: swimming vigorously to
keep your temps up, but at a big calorific cost.

Swimming doesn't make me any warmer.

Of course it does. Any exercise warms you up.

Staying still can generate the same amount of heat from brown fat cells and shivering.

Nope. Do you sweat standing still?

The limitation remains the same, my body's stamina - the ability to
generate energy over a long period of time.

That's not stamina.


Hyper

Hypo, dimwit.

Typo, obvs.

The take more care you silly Aussie.

Oh, the irony...

And I'm not an Aussie.

thermia kicks in when the core temp drops below 35ºC.

Wrong wrong wrong. You die at 20C.

Hypothermia is not the point at which die. That's death. Medically it is
defined as below 35°C.

That's ridiculous, since death is 20C. Why worry when you've lost only 2
of 17C required to lose life? Losing 2C just makes you shiver really
hard, which creates a large amount of heat, stopping you getting any colder.

A sign of severe hypothermia is when you *stop* shivering. The body can't
shiver indefinitely and can only compensate for small temperature
differences.

The body is very sensitive to temperature changes.

The body reacts to them but doesn't come to any harm. Do you worry when you sweat?

Sweating and shivering are the body attempting to keep within a degree of
37.4. It does it because it stops functioning properly when it is outside
that range.

Most people will go running for hours and sweat continuously without any
worry. Sweating is the same as shivering but for the opposite reason.

And their core body temperature doesn't really fluctuate. That's why they
sweat. They also drink copiously otherwise they'd stop sweating and get
heat stroke.


Just like 40°C is a 👎bad fever.

WTF is that thumbs down sign before the word "bad"? How did you do that?

No idea. Accidental.

Below 30ºC
you're unlikely to be conscious. At 20ºC you're long dead (except in
exceptional circumstances!).

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/hypothermia/

You're quoting th NHS? ROTFPMSL!

It doesn't matter what I quote, the definition is the same.

It's not a definition, it's a belief, by an organisation that couldn't
organise a ****up in a brewery.

The NHS didn't invent hypothermia. It's an actual thing. Every Google hit
says the same thing. Here's some actual science...
https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...23085007000916

They take our taxes and can't even cure the common cold.

Wow. That's a special kind of criticism.

Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jan 2019 20:05:08 -0000, Chris wrote:

On 21/01/2019 14:04, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 05:57:33 -0000, Paul wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:

Are you serious? 10 seconds? Water is never cold enough to get out
that quickly. I can swim in zero degrees C water for a couple of
hours. Humans are warm blooded. Shivering doesn't mean you're going to
die, it means you've lost 1 or 2C (out of 17C required to die) and your
body is shivering to prevent further heat loss, not to mention brown fat
cells generating heat, and of course limiting heat loss by adjusting
blood flow to the skin.

I have a small amount of experience with it.

At 68F, I've swum for two hours. Days when no one else
at the beach would go in the water. The trick is to keep
moving, and if "standing" in the water, to jog on the spot.
That helps balance the heat loss.

At 49F, I could swim about 50 feet along a dock, and barely
had enough limbs left to grab the ladder and get out.
I had a helper on the dock, ready to assist if
necessary. And that's wearing swim trunks.

Go find some videos on the internet called "chillygirls" - there are
naked women (that's women, and I assume from your name you have a pair
of balls so should be braver) in 0C water (that's 9.5C colder than what
you were in) for far longer than it would take you to swim 50 yards.
Funnily enough they needed no help getting out, and thoroughly enjoyed
themselves. On youtube you can find videos of Russians playing chess in
0C water, and even primary school children swimming at 0C.

None of the videos show what temp the water is, so you've no idea what
it is. In fact, apart from the part of the water contacting the ice it's
likely to be between 1-4ºC.

When there's ice in the surface, the water won't be more than half a
degree away from freezing. Water conducts heat very well, and it also convects well.

You clearly don't know the physics of near-freezing water. Below 5°C water
starts behaving weirdly as it is densest at 4 degrees and *expands* until
it freezes at 0. Meaning that the temperature *increases* towards the
bottom of a (not fully) frozen lake to a max of around 4 degrees. Due to
this phenomenon the temperature gradients change very slowly and why ice
forms at the surface of water as it's the coldest part.

On Wed, 23 Jan 2019 12:05:26 -0000, Chris wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jan 2019 20:05:08 -0000, Chris wrote:

On 21/01/2019 14:04, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jan 2019 05:57:33 -0000, Paul wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:

Are you serious? 10 seconds? Water is never cold enough to get out
that quickly. I can swim in zero degrees C water for a couple of
hours. Humans are warm blooded. Shivering doesn't mean you're going to
die, it means you've lost 1 or 2C (out of 17C required to die) and your
body is shivering to prevent further heat loss, not to mention brown fat
cells generating heat, and of course limiting heat loss by adjusting
blood flow to the skin.

I have a small amount of experience with it.

At 68F, I've swum for two hours. Days when no one else
at the beach would go in the water. The trick is to keep
moving, and if "standing" in the water, to jog on the spot.
That helps balance the heat loss.

At 49F, I could swim about 50 feet along a dock, and barely
had enough limbs left to grab the ladder and get out.
I had a helper on the dock, ready to assist if
necessary. And that's wearing swim trunks.

Go find some videos on the internet called "chillygirls" - there are
naked women (that's women, and I assume from your name you have a pair
of balls so should be braver) in 0C water (that's 9.5C colder than what
you were in) for far longer than it would take you to swim 50 yards..
Funnily enough they needed no help getting out, and thoroughly enjoyed
themselves. On youtube you can find videos of Russians playing chess in
0C water, and even primary school children swimming at 0C.

None of the videos show what temp the water is, so you've no idea what
it is. In fact, apart from the part of the water contacting the ice it's
likely to be between 1-4ºC.

When there's ice in the surface, the water won't be more than half a
degree away from freezing. Water conducts heat very well, and it also convects well.

You clearly don't know the physics of near-freezing water. Below 5°C water
starts behaving weirdly as it is densest at 4 degrees and *expands* until
it freezes at 0. Meaning that the temperature *increases* towards the
bottom of a (not fully) frozen lake to a max of around 4 degrees. Due to
this phenomenon the temperature gradients change very slowly and why ice
forms at the surface of water as it's the coldest part.

I know perfectly well all that. Funnily enough I swim near the surface (within a foot of it actually, not a the bottom where the fish hibernate).

Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jan 2019 15:11:45 -0000, Char Jackson wrote:

On Mon, 21 Jan 2019 13:48:19 -0000, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

I'd have a field day if civilisation didn't exist and we had to live outdoors.

If "civilisation didn't exist and we had to live outdoors", every day
would be a field day. Of course, we wouldn't call it that.

No, we'd call it heaven. Civilisation is a piece of ****. What's so
wonderful about living in brick houses?

Reminds me of the Life of Brian scene; "what have the Romans ever done for
us?"

On Wed, 23 Jan 2019 23:17:15 -0000, Chris wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jan 2019 15:11:45 -0000, Char Jackson wrote:

On Mon, 21 Jan 2019 13:48:19 -0000, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

I'd have a field day if civilisation didn't exist and we had to live outdoors.

If "civilisation didn't exist and we had to live outdoors", every day
would be a field day. Of course, we wouldn't call it that.

No, we'd call it heaven. Civilisation is a piece of ****. What's so
wonderful about living in brick houses?

Reminds me of the Life of Brian scene; "what have the Romans ever done for
us?"

Well they invented straight roads, which our councils don't ****ing adhere to. What's with the artificial bends in housing estates? Is it some aesthetic bull****? It wastes space, slows down traffic, and creates skidding hazards in winter.

On Wed, 23 Jan 2019 23:38:26 -0000, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

On Wed, 23 Jan 2019 23:17:15 -0000, Chris wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jan 2019 15:11:45 -0000, Char Jackson wrote:

On Mon, 21 Jan 2019 13:48:19 -0000, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

I'd have a field day if civilisation didn't exist and we had to live outdoors.

If "civilisation didn't exist and we had to live outdoors", every day
would be a field day. Of course, we wouldn't call it that.

No, we'd call it heaven. Civilisation is a piece of ****. What's so
wonderful about living in brick houses?

Reminds me of the Life of Brian scene; "what have the Romans ever done for
us?"

Well they invented straight roads, which our councils don't ****ing adhere to. What's with the artificial bends in housing estates? Is it some aesthetic bull****? It wastes space, slows down traffic, and creates skidding hazards in winter.

There were remains of a roman road near to where I used to live. It
went straight up a very steep hill. It was like a two mile long
staircase. It was very difficult to walk up and impossible to drive up
even in a chariot! The last area I lived in has artificial bends that
are intended to slow traffic down. It kept the speed down to below
20mph. Everyone accept the residents went around the area rather than
through it. The area I now live in has no access at all. I gave up
driving years ago because the cost of using taxis is less that running
a car.

Steve

--
http://www.npsnn.com

On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 11:04:18 -0000, Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:

On Wed, 23 Jan 2019 23:38:26 -0000, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

On Wed, 23 Jan 2019 23:17:15 -0000, Chris wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jan 2019 15:11:45 -0000, Char Jackson wrote:

On Mon, 21 Jan 2019 13:48:19 -0000, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

I'd have a field day if civilisation didn't exist and we had to live outdoors.

If "civilisation didn't exist and we had to live outdoors", every day
would be a field day. Of course, we wouldn't call it that.

No, we'd call it heaven. Civilisation is a piece of ****. What's so
wonderful about living in brick houses?

Reminds me of the Life of Brian scene; "what have the Romans ever done for
us?"

Well they invented straight roads, which our councils don't ****ing adhere to. What's with the artificial bends in housing estates? Is it some aesthetic bull****? It wastes space, slows down traffic, and creates skidding hazards in winter.

There were remains of a roman road near to where I used to live. It
went straight up a very steep hill. It was like a two mile long
staircase. It was very difficult to walk up and impossible to drive up
even in a chariot!

I'll accept bends to lessen a hill, but they really aren't required in a housing estate.

The last area I lived in has artificial bends that
are intended to slow traffic down. It kept the speed down to below
20mph.

Then they missed the point entirely. What they did was make the road more dangerous (because of the bends) so people slowed down. So now people are driving too fast for a bendy road instead of too fast for a straight road. They may well be going slower, but they have less visibility of pedestrians ahead, and pedestrians have less visibility of them.

And the absolutely crazy thing they do here is.... wait for it.... no pavements! And single lane roads! There's actually a newly built housing state where you cannot pass a car coming the other way. On a blind bend. With kids playing in the road and people walking dogs in the road because there's no pavements. Somebody is going to be killed.

Everyone accept the residents went around the area rather than
through it. The area I now live in has no access at all. I gave up
driving years ago because the cost of using taxis is less that running
a car.

You must have really cheap taxis. Every time I've used a taxi it's cost a bloody fortune.

On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 12:44:15 -0000, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:



You must have really cheap taxis. Every time I've used a taxi it's cost a bloody fortune.

You must have very cheap cars! Include the depreciation when you do
the arithmetic. My taxi journeys are very short and seldom now I've
given up work. There wasn't that much difference before I gave up
working if I include fuel, depreciation and parking. The parking in
Manchester was £3.00 a hour and it's gone up since I retired. For
commuting taxis only charge for miles unless you want the taxi to hang
around all day. Only very rich people do that or have a chauffeur.

Steve

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http://www.npsnn.com

On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 13:37:19 -0000, Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:

On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 12:44:15 -0000, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

You must have really cheap taxis. Every time I've used a taxi it's cost a bloody fortune.

You must have very cheap cars! Include the depreciation when you do
the arithmetic. My taxi journeys are very short and seldom now I've
given up work. There wasn't that much difference before I gave up
working if I include fuel, depreciation and parking. The parking in
Manchester was £3.00 a hour and it's gone up since I retired. For
commuting taxis only charge for miles unless you want the taxi to hang
around all day. Only very rich people do that or have a chauffeur.

Last time I took a taxi it was £20 for half an hour's journey. It costs nothing like that to run a car, especially if you're sensible enough not to buy a new one, then you get bugger all depreciation. And I never ever pay for parking, I park on a free sidestreet. If there's nowhere to park for free, I simply don't go there. I even changed bank because the one I was with had a £5 charge to park on the street every time I visited the bank. The one I'm with now has a free council car park within 1 minute walking distance.

In article , Commander Kinsey
wrote:


Last time I took a taxi it was £20 for half an hour's journey. It costs
nothing like that to run a car, especially if you're sensible enough not to
buy a new one, then you get bugger all depreciation.

you're ignoring the cost of the driver and taxi licensing.

that's why uber/lyft are killing the taxi industry. they're usually
cheaper and a lot more convenient to use too.

On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 15:19:46 -0000, Wolf K wrote:

On 2019-01-24 08:37, Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 12:44:15 -0000, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

You must have really cheap taxis. Every time I've used a taxi it's cost a bloody fortune.

You must have very cheap cars! Include the depreciation when you do
the arithmetic. My taxi journeys are very short and seldom now I've
given up work. There wasn't that much difference before I gave up
working if I include fuel, depreciation and parking. The parking in
Manchester was £3.00 a hour and it's gone up since I retired. For
commuting taxis only charge for miles unless you want the taxi to hang
around all day. Only very rich people do that or have a chauffeur.

Plus insurance and regular maintenance. If I lived in a city, I wouldn't
own a car. Most people haven't clue how much their vehicle actually
costs them. I suspect that deep down they have an inkling, but they
don't want to add up the numbers and find out....

It doesn't cost much at all. £130 a year insurance. £200 a year tax. Average car does about 40mpg, so 13.5p a mile petrol. Probably £500 a year in tyres, brakes, this and that for the MOT (doing 10,000 miles a year). £500 old banger lasts for 4 years. Total £2300 a year. Try to get it that cheap in taxis - what's 10,000 miles in taxi fares? A 7 mile journey here is £25. So for 10,000 miles that would cost me £35,000 a year, 15 times more expensive!

On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 15:19:46 -0000, Wolf K wrote:

On 2019-01-24 08:37, Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 12:44:15 -0000, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

You must have really cheap taxis. Every time I've used a taxi it's cost a bloody fortune.

You must have very cheap cars! Include the depreciation when you do
the arithmetic. My taxi journeys are very short and seldom now I've
given up work. There wasn't that much difference before I gave up
working if I include fuel, depreciation and parking. The parking in
Manchester was £3.00 a hour and it's gone up since I retired. For
commuting taxis only charge for miles unless you want the taxi to hang
around all day. Only very rich people do that or have a chauffeur.

Plus insurance and regular maintenance. If I lived in a city, I wouldn't
own a car. Most people haven't clue how much their vehicle actually
costs them. I suspect that deep down they have an inkling, but they
don't want to add up the numbers and find out....

Insanity! A taxi is a car. So you're paying for the running of that car, plus the wages of the driver. Therefore it cannot possibly be cheaper.