For information only, Update or clean install

Seeing I have virtually a new system with an M 2 NVMe drive I decided
after 9 years of updates that it was time to start over with a fresh new
copy of Windows 10 Ver 1903 knowing that there was a huge amount of work
reinstalling all my programs.
Well yesterday I took stock and found I had 168 programs on this
machine! Do I need all those programs? NO.
So I set up a new program partition on the NVMe called D: programs and
slowly started going through each program and deciding whether to keep
or discard it, If a keeper I checked for newest version on their site
and installed it on D:. Nothing allowed to install on C: unless
absolutely required.
I kept this up for all 168 programs and ended up with 84 programs which
I really want or need. Now I have a Really clean fast system with all
the unnecessary overburden removed.
This procedure took me 7 hours steady, This may help other people to
decide which way to go. update or nuke and pave.

Was it worth it, YES
Would I do it again, YES. :-)

Rene

On 6/21/19 11:42 AM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
Seeing I have virtually a new system with an M 2 NVMe drive I decided
after 9 years of updates that it was time to start over with a fresh new
copy of Windows 10 Ver 1903 knowing that there was a huge amount of work
reinstalling all my programs.
Â*Well yesterday I took stock and found I had 168 programs on this
machine! Do I need all those programs? NO.
So I set up a new program partition on the NVMe called D: programs and
slowly started going through each program and deciding whether to keep
or discard it, If a keeper I checked for newest version on their site
and installed it on D:.Â* Nothing allowed to install on C: unless
absolutely required.
I kept this up for all 168 programs and ended up with 84 programs which
I really want or need. Now I have a Really clean fast system with all
the unnecessary overburden removed.
This procedure took me 7 hours steady, This may help other people to
decide which way to go. update or nuke and pave.

Was it worth it, YES
Would I do it again, YES. :-)

Rene


+1

Al

On Fri, 21 Jun 2019 10:42:03 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

Seeing I have virtually a new system with an M 2 NVMe drive I decided
after 9 years of updates that it was time to start over with a fresh new
copy of Windows 10 Ver 1903 knowing that there was a huge amount of work
reinstalling all my programs.
Well yesterday I took stock and found I had 168 programs on this
machine! Do I need all those programs? NO.
So I set up a new program partition on the NVMe called D: programs and
slowly started going through each program and deciding whether to keep
or discard it, If a keeper I checked for newest version on their site
and installed it on D:. Nothing allowed to install on C: unless
absolutely required.
I kept this up for all 168 programs and ended up with 84 programs which
I really want or need. Now I have a Really clean fast system with all
the unnecessary overburden removed.
This procedure took me 7 hours steady, This may help other people to
decide which way to go. update or nuke and pave.

Was it worth it, YES
Would I do it again, YES. :-)

Did you make an image of this? Probably yes. :-)

On 2019-06-21 12:31 p.m., Char Jackson wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jun 2019 10:42:03 -0500, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

Seeing I have virtually a new system with an M 2 NVMe drive I decided
after 9 years of updates that it was time to start over with a fresh new
copy of Windows 10 Ver 1903 knowing that there was a huge amount of work
reinstalling all my programs.
Well yesterday I took stock and found I had 168 programs on this
machine! Do I need all those programs? NO.
So I set up a new program partition on the NVMe called D: programs and
slowly started going through each program and deciding whether to keep
or discard it, If a keeper I checked for newest version on their site
and installed it on D:. Nothing allowed to install on C: unless
absolutely required.
I kept this up for all 168 programs and ended up with 84 programs which
I really want or need. Now I have a Really clean fast system with all
the unnecessary overburden removed.
This procedure took me 7 hours steady, This may help other people to
decide which way to go. update or nuke and pave.

Was it worth it, YES
Would I do it again, YES. :-)

Did you make an image of this? Probably yes. :-)



Yes 2 yesterday and 1 today after a couple minor changes. :-)

Rene

On Fri, 21 Jun 2019 10:42:03 -0500, Rene Lamontagne
wrote:

Seeing I have virtually a new system with an M 2 NVMe drive I decided
after 9 years of updates that it was time to start over with a fresh new
copy of Windows 10 Ver 1903 knowing that there was a huge amount of work
reinstalling all my programs.
Well yesterday I took stock and found I had 168 programs on this
machine! Do I need all those programs? NO.
So I set up a new program partition on the NVMe called D: programs and
slowly started going through each program and deciding whether to keep
or discard it, If a keeper I checked for newest version on their site
and installed it on D:. Nothing allowed to install on C: unless
absolutely required.
I kept this up for all 168 programs and ended up with 84 programs which
I really want or need. Now I have a Really clean fast system with all
the unnecessary overburden removed.



Glad you got rid of what you didn't need, but let me make a comment,
for you and for anyone else who read your last line above:

Uninstalling programs does not make your computer faster. A program
that is running can slow down your computer; a program that is
installed but not running does not slow it down.

Rene Lamontagne wrote:
Seeing I have virtually a new system with an M 2 NVMe drive I decided
after 9 years of updates that it was time to start over with a fresh new
copy of Windows 10 Ver 1903 knowing that there was a huge amount of work
reinstalling all my programs.
Well yesterday I took stock and found I had 168 programs on this
machine! Do I need all those programs? NO.
So I set up a new program partition on the NVMe called D: programs and
slowly started going through each program and deciding whether to keep
or discard it, If a keeper I checked for newest version on their site
and installed it on D:. Nothing allowed to install on C: unless
absolutely required.
I kept this up for all 168 programs and ended up with 84 programs which
I really want or need. Now I have a Really clean fast system with all
the unnecessary overburden removed.
This procedure took me 7 hours steady, This may help other people to
decide which way to go. update or nuke and pave.

Was it worth it, YES
Would I do it again, YES. :-)

In my experience, (re-)*installing* programs is not the
time-consuming/cumbersome/annoying/whatever part, but
(re-)*configuring* all those programs, especially things like email
clients, browsers, etc..

If you just could backup the data and settings of each program and
move those to the new machine, all would be fine. But most programs have
no/hardly_any provisions/documentation for that.

So you're left with two choices, either 1) fully document the first
install/configuration and any subsequent changes, or 2) re-invent the
wheel. I normally use method 1).

On 2019-06-21 1:59 p.m., Ken Blake wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jun 2019 10:42:03 -0500, Rene Lamontagne
wrote:

Seeing I have virtually a new system with an M 2 NVMe drive I decided
after 9 years of updates that it was time to start over with a fresh new
copy of Windows 10 Ver 1903 knowing that there was a huge amount of work
reinstalling all my programs.
Well yesterday I took stock and found I had 168 programs on this
machine! Do I need all those programs? NO.
So I set up a new program partition on the NVMe called D: programs and
slowly started going through each program and deciding whether to keep
or discard it, If a keeper I checked for newest version on their site
and installed it on D:. Nothing allowed to install on C: unless
absolutely required.
I kept this up for all 168 programs and ended up with 84 programs which
I really want or need. Now I have a Really clean fast system with all
the unnecessary overburden removed.



Glad you got rid of what you didn't need, but let me make a comment,
for you and for anyone else who read your last line above:

Uninstalling programs does not make your computer faster. A program
that is running can slow down your computer; a program that is
installed but not running does not slow it down.


Yes, I realize that Ken, no matter how many are installed and doing
nothing does no harm, I just wanted to get rid of some of the clutter
which I don,t use, Just kind of a neatness thing, Also easier to find
the stuff I really use.

I like to keep C; as small as possible also makes for faster backups as
I always back up C: and D:, As I write this my C: drive is 30.2 GB. and
my D: is 3.6 GB

Rene

On 6/21/2019 3:12 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 2019-06-21 1:59 p.m., Ken Blake wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jun 2019 10:42:03 -0500, Rene Lamontagne
wrote:

Seeing I have virtually a new system with an M 2 NVMe drive I decided
after 9 years of updates that it was time to start over with a fresh new
copy of Windows 10 Ver 1903 knowing that there was a huge amount of work
reinstalling all my programs.
Â* Well yesterday I took stock and found I had 168 programs on this
machine! Do I need all those programs? NO.
So I set up a new program partition on the NVMe called D: programs and
slowly started going through each program and deciding whether to keep
or discard it, If a keeper I checked for newest version on their site
and installed it on D:.Â* Nothing allowed to install on C: unless
absolutely required.
I kept this up for all 168 programs and ended up with 84 programs which
I really want or need. Now I have a Really clean fast system with all
the unnecessary overburden removed.



Glad you got rid of what you didn't need, but let me make a comment,
for you and for anyone else who read your last line above:

Uninstalling programs does not make your computer faster. A program
that is running can slow down your computer; a program that is
installed but not running does not slow it down.


Yes, I realize that Ken, no matter how many are installed and doing
nothing does no harm, I just wanted to get rid of some of the clutter
which I don,t use, Just kind of a neatness thing, Also easier to find
the stuff I really use.

I like to keep C; as small as possible also makes for faster backups as
I always back up C: and D:, As I write this my C: drive is 30.2 GB. and
my D: is 3.6 GB

Rene


With onl 30.2 gb in you C drive do you have any problems installing the
windows updates?

--
Judge your ancestors by how well they met their standards not yours.
They did not know your standards, so could not try to meet them.

On 21/06/2019 16:42:03, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
Seeing I have virtually a new system with an M 2 NVMe drive I decided after 9
years of updates that it was time to start over with a fresh new copy of
Windows 10 Ver 1903 knowing that there was a huge amount of work reinstalling
all my programs.
Well yesterday I took stock and found I had 168 programs on this machine!
Do I need all those programs? NO.
So I set up a new program partition on the NVMe called D: programs and slowly
started going through each program and deciding whether to keep or discard
it, If a keeper I checked for newest version on their site and installed it
on D:. Nothing allowed to install on C: unless absolutely required.
I kept this up for all 168 programs and ended up with 84 programs which I
really want or need. Now I have a Really clean fast system with all the
unnecessary overburden removed.
This procedure took me 7 hours steady, This may help other people to decide
which way to go. update or nuke and pave.

Was it worth it, YES
Would I do it again, YES. :-)

Rene

Did that last week, but only about 30+ programs to install.
It took about three days because I kept getting sidetracked playing
with the settings of each install instead of getting on with job :-)
First fresh re-install since upgrading from win 7, worth it , yes.
Will do it again on my other two desktops as this one feels like a new
machine without all the clutter of old programs that were used once and
never saw daylight again.

--
mick

On 2019-06-21 2:24 p.m., Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 6/21/2019 3:12 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 2019-06-21 1:59 p.m., Ken Blake wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jun 2019 10:42:03 -0500, Rene Lamontagne
wrote:

Seeing I have virtually a new system with an M 2 NVMe drive I decided
after 9 years of updates that it was time to start over with a fresh
new
copy of Windows 10 Ver 1903 knowing that there was a huge amount of
work
reinstalling all my programs.
Â* Well yesterday I took stock and found I had 168 programs on this
machine! Do I need all those programs? NO.
So I set up a new program partition on the NVMe called D: programs and
slowly started going through each program and deciding whether to keep
or discard it, If a keeper I checked for newest version on their site
and installed it on D:.Â* Nothing allowed to install on C: unless
absolutely required.
I kept this up for all 168 programs and ended up with 84 programs which
I really want or need. Now I have a Really clean fast system with all
the unnecessary overburden removed.



Glad you got rid of what you didn't need, but let me make a comment,
for you and for anyone else who read your last line above:

Uninstalling programs does not make your computer faster. A program
that is running can slow down your computer; a program that is
installed but not running does not slow it down.


Yes, I realize that Ken, no matter how many are installed and doing
nothing does no harm, I just wanted to get rid of some of the clutter
which I don,t use, Just kind of a neatness thing, Also easier to find
the stuff I really use.

I like to keep C; as small as possible also makes for faster backups
as I always back up C: and D:, As I write this my C: drive is 30.2 GB.
and my D: is 3.6 GB

Rene


With onl 30.2 gb in you C drive do you have any problems installing the
windows updates?


No, My C: drive partition on my NVMe is 111 GB.

Rne

On 21/06/2019 20:06:17, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Rene Lamontagne wrote:
Seeing I have virtually a new system with an M 2 NVMe drive I decided
after 9 years of updates that it was time to start over with a fresh new
copy of Windows 10 Ver 1903 knowing that there was a huge amount of work
reinstalling all my programs.
Well yesterday I took stock and found I had 168 programs on this
machine! Do I need all those programs? NO.
So I set up a new program partition on the NVMe called D: programs and
slowly started going through each program and deciding whether to keep
or discard it, If a keeper I checked for newest version on their site
and installed it on D:. Nothing allowed to install on C: unless
absolutely required.
I kept this up for all 168 programs and ended up with 84 programs which
I really want or need. Now I have a Really clean fast system with all
the unnecessary overburden removed.
This procedure took me 7 hours steady, This may help other people to
decide which way to go. update or nuke and pave.

Was it worth it, YES
Would I do it again, YES. :-)

In my experience, (re-)*installing* programs is not the
time-consuming/cumbersome/annoying/whatever part, but
(re-)*configuring* all those programs, especially things like email
clients, browsers, etc..

If you just could backup the data and settings of each program and
move those to the new machine, all would be fine. But most programs have
no/hardly_any provisions/documentation for that.

So you're left with two choices, either 1) fully document the first
install/configuration and any subsequent changes, or 2) re-invent the
wheel. I normally use method 1).

I make an image of the old system saving it to another partition, an
external drive or another machine.
I then install the new OS and programs, run them once then close.
Then go to the old image and transfer the programs settings from the
old AppData folders to the new AppData folders. I only had to set up
the mail accounts afresh in Outlook as they are kept in the registry,
same with MesNews and Newsbin Pro, apart from that all other 30 odd
programs I installed are working just fine with the old settings.

--
mick

On Fri, 21 Jun 2019 14:12:18 -0500, Rene Lamontagne
wrote:

On 2019-06-21 1:59 p.m., Ken Blake wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jun 2019 10:42:03 -0500, Rene Lamontagne
wrote:

Seeing I have virtually a new system with an M 2 NVMe drive I decided
after 9 years of updates that it was time to start over with a fresh new
copy of Windows 10 Ver 1903 knowing that there was a huge amount of work
reinstalling all my programs.
Well yesterday I took stock and found I had 168 programs on this
machine! Do I need all those programs? NO.
So I set up a new program partition on the NVMe called D: programs and
slowly started going through each program and deciding whether to keep
or discard it, If a keeper I checked for newest version on their site
and installed it on D:. Nothing allowed to install on C: unless
absolutely required.
I kept this up for all 168 programs and ended up with 84 programs which
I really want or need. Now I have a Really clean fast system with all
the unnecessary overburden removed.



Glad you got rid of what you didn't need, but let me make a comment,
for you and for anyone else who read your last line above:

Uninstalling programs does not make your computer faster. A program
that is running can slow down your computer; a program that is
installed but not running does not slow it down.


Yes, I realize that Ken, no matter how many are installed and doing
nothing does no harm,


Yes, I thought you realized that, but I was concerned that others here
who don't realize it might not realize it and think that what you did
made yours "a Really clean *fast* system."


I just wanted to get rid of some of the clutter
which I don,t use, Just kind of a neatness thing, Also easier to find
the stuff I really use.


Understood. I do the same. But your message could be interpreted
differently.

On 2019-06-21 3:19 p.m., Ken Blake wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jun 2019 14:12:18 -0500, Rene Lamontagne
wrote:

On 2019-06-21 1:59 p.m., Ken Blake wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jun 2019 10:42:03 -0500, Rene Lamontagne
wrote:

Seeing I have virtually a new system with an M 2 NVMe drive I decided
after 9 years of updates that it was time to start over with a fresh new
copy of Windows 10 Ver 1903 knowing that there was a huge amount of work
reinstalling all my programs.
Well yesterday I took stock and found I had 168 programs on this
machine! Do I need all those programs? NO.
So I set up a new program partition on the NVMe called D: programs and
slowly started going through each program and deciding whether to keep
or discard it, If a keeper I checked for newest version on their site
and installed it on D:. Nothing allowed to install on C: unless
absolutely required.
I kept this up for all 168 programs and ended up with 84 programs which
I really want or need. Now I have a Really clean fast system with all
the unnecessary overburden removed.



Glad you got rid of what you didn't need, but let me make a comment,
for you and for anyone else who read your last line above:

Uninstalling programs does not make your computer faster. A program
that is running can slow down your computer; a program that is
installed but not running does not slow it down.


Yes, I realize that Ken, no matter how many are installed and doing
nothing does no harm,


Yes, I thought you realized that, but I was concerned that others here
who don't realize it might not realize it and think that what you did
made yours "a Really clean *fast* system."


I just wanted to get rid of some of the clutter
which I don,t use, Just kind of a neatness thing, Also easier to find
the stuff I really use.


Understood. I do the same. But your message could be interpreted
differently.


Yes I should have stated that differently, The new hardware is what made
the system fast, Removing all the surplus unused programs made it clean
and tidy. :-)

Rene

"Rene Lamontagne" wrote in message
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I like to keep C; as small as possible also makes for faster backups as I
always back up C: and D:, As I write this my C: drive is 30.2 GB. and my
D: is 3.6 GB


As do I.
W8.1 but have W10 in a VM.
C: 23.5/60 GB
D: 426/700GB

--
Regards
wasbit