A Windows XP help forum. PCbanter

If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.

Go Back   Home » PCbanter forum » Microsoft Windows XP » General XP issues or comments
Site Map Home Register Authors List Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read Web Partners

Win7 support:



 
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #151  
Old July 17th 19, 04:05 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul[_32_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 11,873
Default Win7 support:

Robert in CA wrote:
On Tuesday, July 16, 2019 at 10:01:01 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
On Tuesday, July 16, 2019 at 4:26:46 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:

I see what you mean by the 'L' now.... I'll
open the 780 up and have a look and take pics
but the OKGear Sata cable still only (1) HD
connection and we need (2).

Robert
Your motherboard has four SATA connectors total,
that I can see in a picture of the motherboard.

The data cables have a *one-to-one* relationship.

SATA1 --------------- HDD1
SATA2 --------------- HDD2
SATA3 --------------- Optical drive
SATA4 --------------- Optical drive

Therefore, we want a data cable with *one* connector
on each end.

Unlike the ribbon cable era, with two connectors on
the end of the ribbon, SATA has only *one*. It's point
to point, high speed serial. That's why the cable can
be thin.

*******

SATA does support FIS, which allows more than one
drive to be put on a single cable. The standard
supports up to 15 drives off one cable. The
silicon available for this, supports 5 drives
as a practical choice (from a bandwidth perspective).
The hardware is a small box, which would not be
a convenient formfactor for inside a PC.

Mobo SATA --------- FIS ------ SATA1
Box ------ SATA2
------ SATA3
------ SATA4
------ SATA5

The cables are *still* one-to-one. But the box
handles "fan-out". It allows a motherboard
with four SATA connectors, to support *20*
drives total.

I have yet to run into someone who has bought
one of those boxes. I think the boxes were
around $100 each when they were new.

This shows the printed circuit board of a
port multiplier. With the one chip that multiplexes
things. These only work with FIS-capable SATA ports
on other pieces of equipment. Not only do you
have to look up and see whether your computer
has that... but you also have to test that it
really works.

https://www.amazon.com/Misszhang-US-.../dp/B07NW7XD9Z

When Port Multipliers first came out, they were
packaged like this.

http://www.satacable.com/cosapomubrso.html

Paul


Oh, I get it now,.. here are some pics of the end
of the cable.

https://postimg.cc/Cz488RDY

https://postimg.cc/CzDgr8JT

https://postimg.cc/JHH55MNm

https://postimg.cc/5YTw0TZr

Robert

It occurs to me, that the drives are upside-down
in the dual rack area.

When I hold a drive right-side-up (label upwards), the
power connector is on the left.

In your pictures, the daisy chained power cable is
on the right.

So the drives must be upside-down for that current
cabling scheme to work.

Compare this right-angle cable to yours.
Check the length, leave enough slack to reach the other
two motherboard SATA connectors. Since the drive seems upside-down,
it's probably a right-angle connector.

https://www.newegg.com/red-startech-...82E16812200048

Paul


24 inches seems the right length but I'll
open it up again and and get a approximate
measurement to make sure.

Where on the motherboard am I'm plugging this
in? For example to the right of the Intel chip?
or is it along the edge where the blue and orange
cable are plugged in?


Thanks,
Robert


The picture of the 780 motherboard I found, shows
four SATA connectors, and my assumption is they
all come from the Southbridge chip (which is near
to them).

You can use any one of the four SATA ports.
Two are used currently (one HDD, one optical drive).
That leaves two others. Just use which ever one is
convenient.

Paul
Ads
  #152  
Old July 17th 19, 10:41 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Robert in CA
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 785
Default Win7 support:

On Tuesday, July 16, 2019 at 8:06:02 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
On Tuesday, July 16, 2019 at 10:01:01 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
On Tuesday, July 16, 2019 at 4:26:46 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:

I see what you mean by the 'L' now.... I'll
open the 780 up and have a look and take pics
but the OKGear Sata cable still only (1) HD
connection and we need (2).

Robert
Your motherboard has four SATA connectors total,
that I can see in a picture of the motherboard.

The data cables have a *one-to-one* relationship.

SATA1 --------------- HDD1
SATA2 --------------- HDD2
SATA3 --------------- Optical drive
SATA4 --------------- Optical drive

Therefore, we want a data cable with *one* connector
on each end.

Unlike the ribbon cable era, with two connectors on
the end of the ribbon, SATA has only *one*. It's point
to point, high speed serial. That's why the cable can
be thin.

*******

SATA does support FIS, which allows more than one
drive to be put on a single cable. The standard
supports up to 15 drives off one cable. The
silicon available for this, supports 5 drives
as a practical choice (from a bandwidth perspective).
The hardware is a small box, which would not be
a convenient formfactor for inside a PC.

Mobo SATA --------- FIS ------ SATA1
Box ------ SATA2
------ SATA3
------ SATA4
------ SATA5

The cables are *still* one-to-one. But the box
handles "fan-out". It allows a motherboard
with four SATA connectors, to support *20*
drives total.

I have yet to run into someone who has bought
one of those boxes. I think the boxes were
around $100 each when they were new.

This shows the printed circuit board of a
port multiplier. With the one chip that multiplexes
things. These only work with FIS-capable SATA ports
on other pieces of equipment. Not only do you
have to look up and see whether your computer
has that... but you also have to test that it
really works.

https://www.amazon.com/Misszhang-US-.../dp/B07NW7XD9Z

When Port Multipliers first came out, they were
packaged like this.

http://www.satacable.com/cosapomubrso.html

Paul


Oh, I get it now,.. here are some pics of the end
of the cable.

https://postimg.cc/Cz488RDY

https://postimg.cc/CzDgr8JT

https://postimg.cc/JHH55MNm

https://postimg.cc/5YTw0TZr

Robert
It occurs to me, that the drives are upside-down
in the dual rack area.

When I hold a drive right-side-up (label upwards), the
power connector is on the left.

In your pictures, the daisy chained power cable is
on the right.

So the drives must be upside-down for that current
cabling scheme to work.

Compare this right-angle cable to yours.
Check the length, leave enough slack to reach the other
two motherboard SATA connectors. Since the drive seems upside-down,
it's probably a right-angle connector.

https://www.newegg.com/red-startech-...82E16812200048

Paul


24 inches seems the right length but I'll
open it up again and and get a approximate
measurement to make sure.

Where on the motherboard am I'm plugging this
in? For example to the right of the Intel chip?
or is it along the edge where the blue and orange
cable are plugged in?


Thanks,
Robert


The picture of the 780 motherboard I found, shows
four SATA connectors, and my assumption is they
all come from the Southbridge chip (which is near
to them).

You can use any one of the four SATA ports.
Two are used currently (one HDD, one optical drive).
That leaves two others. Just use which ever one is
convenient.

Paul


I opened up the 780 and using the present data cable
as a guide and allowing for extra length to connect
to the second HD it's approx 22 1/2 inches. So the
24" StarTech is a perfect fit.

Then I can play around with Windows 10 on the 780. I
tried scrolling back to find the name/link you gave
for running Windows 10 like Windows 7 if I choose to
but couldn't find it. Wasn't it called Startup something?

Thanks,
Robert
  #153  
Old July 17th 19, 02:05 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_7_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 603
Default Win7 support:

In message ,
Robert in CA writes:
[]
Then I can play around with Windows 10 on the 780. I
tried scrolling back to find the name/link you gave
for running Windows 10 like Windows 7 if I choose to
but couldn't find it. Wasn't it called Startup something?

Thanks,
Robert


There are two main ones. Classic Shell is the best known -
http://www.classicshell.net/ - and is free; the other, which I've seen
called Start8 (or, facetiously, StarDate), costs about $4.95, and its
purchasers say is better. I find Classic adequate.

Note that they may not make it run _exactly_ like 7 (or XP - in CS, you
can choose, for the start menu at least, for it to look like XP, Vista,
or 7), just some of the way. [I'm pretty sure they can't stop the
"up"dates, for example.]
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Advertising is legalized lying. - H.G. Wells
  #154  
Old July 17th 19, 04:58 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Robert in CA
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 785
Default Win7 support:


Then I can play around with Windows 10 on the 780. I
tried scrolling back to find the name/link you gave
for running Windows 10 like Windows 7 if I choose to
but couldn't find it. Wasn't it called Startup something?

Thanks,
Robert


There are two main ones. Classic Shell is the best known -
http://www.classicshell.net/ - and is free; the other, which I've seen
called Start8 (or, facetiously, StarDate), costs about $4.95, and its
purchasers say is better. I find Classic adequate.

Note that they may not make it run _exactly_ like 7 (or XP - in CS, you
can choose, for the start menu at least, for it to look like XP, Vista,
or 7), just some of the way. [I'm pretty sure they can't stop the
"up"dates, for example.]
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Advertising is legalized lying. - H.G. Wells




Thanks for the link.. it looks like the
one Paul provided earlier. This time I
bookmarked it.

Robert
  #155  
Old July 17th 19, 05:06 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Robert in CA
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 785
Default Win7 support:


[]
Then I can play around with Windows 10 on the 780. I
tried scrolling back to find the name/link you gave
for running Windows 10 like Windows 7 if I choose to
but couldn't find it. Wasn't it called Startup something?

Thanks,
Robert


There are two main ones. Classic Shell is the best known -
http://www.classicshell.net/ - and is free; the other, which I've seen
called Start8 (or, facetiously, StarDate), costs about $4.95, and its
purchasers say is better. I find Classic adequate.

Note that they may not make it run _exactly_ like 7 (or XP - in CS, you
can choose, for the start menu at least, for it to look like XP, Vista,
or 7), just some of the way. [I'm pretty sure they can't stop the
"up"dates, for example.]
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Advertising is legalized lying. - H.G. Wells




Above the download button it says that
Classic Shell is no longer in active
development but I assume I could still
use it?

Robert
  #156  
Old July 17th 19, 10:45 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul[_32_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 11,873
Default Win7 support:

Robert in CA wrote:
[]
Then I can play around with Windows 10 on the 780. I
tried scrolling back to find the name/link you gave
for running Windows 10 like Windows 7 if I choose to
but couldn't find it. Wasn't it called Startup something?

Thanks,
Robert

There are two main ones. Classic Shell is the best known -
http://www.classicshell.net/ - and is free; the other, which I've seen
called Start8 (or, facetiously, StarDate), costs about $4.95, and its
purchasers say is better. I find Classic adequate.

Note that they may not make it run _exactly_ like 7 (or XP - in CS, you
can choose, for the start menu at least, for it to look like XP, Vista,
or 7), just some of the way. [I'm pretty sure they can't stop the
"up"dates, for example.]
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Advertising is legalized lying. - H.G. Wells




Above the download button it says that
Classic Shell is no longer in active
development but I assume I could still
use it?

Robert


For validating the history of software, I like Wikipedia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classic_Shell

"Developed by Ivo Beltchev, it was first released in 2009.

Founder Ivo Beltchev announced the end of development in December 2017.

As of June 2018, another team has forked the code on GitHub
(https://github.com/passionate-coder/Classic-Start) and resumed development.

As of August 2018, the project has been renamed Open-Shell
and can be found he

https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu
"

So that link gets me source code.

Whereas this link finds the executable needed.

https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu/releases

https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-S...up_4_4_131.exe

OpenShellSetup_4_4_131.exe 7,086,592 bytes

Notice that during download, the file comes from an AWS instance
and not from github.

Virustotal scan is clean.

https://www.virustotal.com/gui/file/...f9fa/detection

It looks like this.

https://i.postimg.cc/8C76H4HT/Classic-Shell.gif

Paul
  #157  
Old July 18th 19, 06:08 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Robert in CA
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 785
Default Win7 support:

On Wednesday, July 17, 2019 at 2:45:22 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
[]
Then I can play around with Windows 10 on the 780. I
tried scrolling back to find the name/link you gave
for running Windows 10 like Windows 7 if I choose to
but couldn't find it. Wasn't it called Startup something?

Thanks,
Robert
There are two main ones. Classic Shell is the best known -
http://www.classicshell.net/ - and is free; the other, which I've seen
called Start8 (or, facetiously, StarDate), costs about $4.95, and its
purchasers say is better. I find Classic adequate.

Note that they may not make it run _exactly_ like 7 (or XP - in CS, you
can choose, for the start menu at least, for it to look like XP, Vista,
or 7), just some of the way. [I'm pretty sure they can't stop the
"up"dates, for example.]
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Advertising is legalized lying. - H.G. Wells




Above the download button it says that
Classic Shell is no longer in active
development but I assume I could still
use it?

Robert


For validating the history of software, I like Wikipedia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classic_Shell

"Developed by Ivo Beltchev, it was first released in 2009.

Founder Ivo Beltchev announced the end of development in December 2017.

As of June 2018, another team has forked the code on GitHub
(https://github.com/passionate-coder/Classic-Start) and resumed development.

As of August 2018, the project has been renamed Open-Shell
and can be found he

https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu
"

So that link gets me source code.

Whereas this link finds the executable needed.

https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu/releases

https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-S...up_4_4_131.exe

OpenShellSetup_4_4_131.exe 7,086,592 bytes

Notice that during download, the file comes from an AWS instance
and not from github.

Virustotal scan is clean.

https://www.virustotal.com/gui/file/...f9fa/detection

It looks like this.

https://i.postimg.cc/8C76H4HT/Classic-Shell.gif

Paul




Very cool, I would have never found it
and thanks for the download link!

I'll order the cable and then hook it
all up.

btw since I have your attention,. is there
a way to record from the computer to a device
or drive or flash key or something?

I'll let you know when I get everything
hooked up.

Many thanks,
Robert
  #158  
Old July 18th 19, 06:09 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Robert in CA
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 785
Default Win7 support:

On Wednesday, July 17, 2019 at 2:45:22 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
[]
Then I can play around with Windows 10 on the 780. I
tried scrolling back to find the name/link you gave
for running Windows 10 like Windows 7 if I choose to
but couldn't find it. Wasn't it called Startup something?

Thanks,
Robert
There are two main ones. Classic Shell is the best known -
http://www.classicshell.net/ - and is free; the other, which I've seen
called Start8 (or, facetiously, StarDate), costs about $4.95, and its
purchasers say is better. I find Classic adequate.

Note that they may not make it run _exactly_ like 7 (or XP - in CS, you
can choose, for the start menu at least, for it to look like XP, Vista,
or 7), just some of the way. [I'm pretty sure they can't stop the
"up"dates, for example.]
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Advertising is legalized lying. - H.G. Wells




Above the download button it says that
Classic Shell is no longer in active
development but I assume I could still
use it?

Robert


For validating the history of software, I like Wikipedia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classic_Shell

"Developed by Ivo Beltchev, it was first released in 2009.

Founder Ivo Beltchev announced the end of development in December 2017.

As of June 2018, another team has forked the code on GitHub
(https://github.com/passionate-coder/Classic-Start) and resumed development.

As of August 2018, the project has been renamed Open-Shell
and can be found he

https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu
"

So that link gets me source code.

Whereas this link finds the executable needed.

https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu/releases

https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-S...up_4_4_131.exe

OpenShellSetup_4_4_131.exe 7,086,592 bytes

Notice that during download, the file comes from an AWS instance
and not from github.

Virustotal scan is clean.

https://www.virustotal.com/gui/file/...f9fa/detection

It looks like this.

https://i.postimg.cc/8C76H4HT/Classic-Shell.gif

Paul




I also like Wikipedia.

Robert
  #159  
Old July 18th 19, 07:35 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_7_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 603
Default Win7 support:

In message ,
Robert in CA writes:
On Wednesday, July 17, 2019 at 2:45:22 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:

[]
Above the download button it says that
Classic Shell is no longer in active
development but I assume I could still
use it?

[]
Whereas this link finds the executable needed.

https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu/releases


https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-S...wnload/v4.4.13
1/OpenShellSetup_4_4_131.exe

OpenShellSetup_4_4_131.exe 7,086,592 bytes

[]
Thanks for that, Paul.

Having said that, the version on the original website may have stopped
development, but I'm using it, and it works well: since 7 stopped
development a while back too ... though I have downloaded 4_4_131 (I
assume that includes a 32-bit setup as well) and _might_ get round to
looking at what's been added (-:

btw since I have your attention,. is there
a way to record from the computer to a device
or drive or flash key or something?


Record what?
[]
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"I'm a paranoid agnostic. I doubt the existence of God, but I'm sure there is
some force, somewhere, working against me." - Marc Maron
  #160  
Old July 18th 19, 04:59 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul[_32_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 11,873
Default Win7 support:

J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message ,
Robert in CA writes:

btw since I have your attention,. is there
a way to record from the computer to a device
or drive or flash key or something?


Record what?
[]


Likely to be "screen recording".

The single photo I took of the ClassicShell (OpenShell) was
done with "snippingtool.exe", a part of the OS in probably
Win7/8/10. While they threatened to change it in Windows 10,
I don't know if they've carried through on that threat yet.

CamStudio would be an example of a desktop video recorder, but
the "promoter" of that tool is not a developer, and the
output format was (at the time) limited to AVI. And AVI
has issues (like when the file size goes past 4GB).

CamStudio was usually loaded with "adware", so the promoter
could make a buck from it. The "open source" folder is missing
a file, to prevent compiling your own version.

Programs can be "unnecessarily complicated" or "unnecessarily
inconvenient". I tried Expression Encoder (can run in trial
mode) from Microsoft, and the setup is brutal.

So as for video, there aren't really a lot of good options.

Adobe has Captivate, but that's commercial, and today, is
probably part of their Cloud software. I'm not even interested
in the business terms, let alone evaluating it.

When I run an OS in Virtualbox, as in the example photo of
ChassicShell, VirtualBox has a screen recorder that you can
select without too much trouble. It records in .webm
and the output is too soft to be really useful. (The recorder
needs a Q adjustment to sharpen it up.)

The tool I actually use is FFMPEG, but not many people
will enjoy using that, so I won't be mentioning that
one either in any detail. It's command line, and that
means some work when using it.

For Microsoft, that's a missed opportunity, but of course
they'd record in .wmv anyway and then it would take half the day
to find a video editor to put it in some other format.

I think "snippingtool.exe" for static shots, is
"enough of an experience", and video will have to
wait for another day. Most of the stuff I have here
is rubbish for video.

The Linux "SimpleScreenRecorder" is good, but it's not
a Windows program. It uses FFMPEG as a back end, for
selecting a good video codec for output. (FFMPEG is hidden
from you - there are no commands to enter). And it uses
its own screen capture subroutine, to achieve better
lipsync on audio and video (if you were recording
a Youtube video from the screen for example). Now, someone
could port that to Windows with QT5 and use GDIgrab or
something, but that would be a lot of work, and use
basically the same open source subroutines that
IceCreamScreenRecorder (Windows) uses.

Paul
  #161  
Old July 18th 19, 05:06 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Robert in CA
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 785
Default Win7 support:


On Wednesday, July 17, 2019 at 2:45:22 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:

[]
Above the download button it says that
Classic Shell is no longer in active
development but I assume I could still
use it?

[]
Whereas this link finds the executable needed.

https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu/releases


https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-S...wnload/v4.4.13
1/OpenShellSetup_4_4_131.exe

OpenShellSetup_4_4_131.exe 7,086,592 bytes

[]
Thanks for that, Paul.

Having said that, the version on the original website may have stopped
development, but I'm using it, and it works well: since 7 stopped
development a while back too ... though I have downloaded 4_4_131 (I
assume that includes a 32-bit setup as well) and _might_ get round to
looking at what's been added (-:

btw since I have your attention,. is there
a way to record from the computer to a device
or drive or flash key or something?


Record what?
[]
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"I'm a paranoid agnostic. I doubt the existence of God, but I'm sure there is
some force, somewhere, working against me." - Marc Maron





That's why I always go to Paul for
downloads etc and he knows my history
and system very well.

Robert
  #162  
Old July 18th 19, 05:17 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Robert in CA
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 785
Default Win7 support:



btw since I have your attention,. is there
a way to record from the computer to a device
or drive or flash key or something?


Record what?
[]


Likely to be "screen recording".

The single photo I took of the ClassicShell (OpenShell) was
done with "snippingtool.exe", a part of the OS in probably
Win7/8/10. While they threatened to change it in Windows 10,
I don't know if they've carried through on that threat yet.

CamStudio would be an example of a desktop video recorder, but
the "promoter" of that tool is not a developer, and the
output format was (at the time) limited to AVI. And AVI
has issues (like when the file size goes past 4GB).

CamStudio was usually loaded with "adware", so the promoter
could make a buck from it. The "open source" folder is missing
a file, to prevent compiling your own version.

Programs can be "unnecessarily complicated" or "unnecessarily
inconvenient". I tried Expression Encoder (can run in trial
mode) from Microsoft, and the setup is brutal.

So as for video, there aren't really a lot of good options.

Adobe has Captivate, but that's commercial, and today, is
probably part of their Cloud software. I'm not even interested
in the business terms, let alone evaluating it.

When I run an OS in Virtualbox, as in the example photo of
ChassicShell, VirtualBox has a screen recorder that you can
select without too much trouble. It records in .webm
and the output is too soft to be really useful. (The recorder
needs a Q adjustment to sharpen it up.)

The tool I actually use is FFMPEG, but not many people
will enjoy using that, so I won't be mentioning that
one either in any detail. It's command line, and that
means some work when using it.

For Microsoft, that's a missed opportunity, but of course
they'd record in .wmv anyway and then it would take half the day
to find a video editor to put it in some other format.

I think "snippingtool.exe" for static shots, is
"enough of an experience", and video will have to
wait for another day. Most of the stuff I have here
is rubbish for video.

The Linux "SimpleScreenRecorder" is good, but it's not
a Windows program. It uses FFMPEG as a back end, for
selecting a good video codec for output. (FFMPEG is hidden
from you - there are no commands to enter). And it uses
its own screen capture subroutine, to achieve better
lipsync on audio and video (if you were recording
a Youtube video from the screen for example). Now, someone
could port that to Windows with QT5 and use GDIgrab or
something, but that would be a lot of work, and use
basically the same open source subroutines that
IceCreamScreenRecorder (Windows) uses.





Hmmmm..CamStudio seemed a good choice
until I read further. So there isn't a
really a decent program and as you say
we'll have to wait.

I agree a real missed opportunity!

With regards to static shots I just use
screenshots and save them as .jpg files
and they turn out well.

I think also I'm switching to PostImage vs
Tinypic. There's no pop-ups and the quality
is much better.

Thanks,
Robert
  #163  
Old July 18th 19, 05:45 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_7_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 603
Default Win7 support:

In message ,
Robert in CA writes:


btw since I have your attention,. is there
a way to record from the computer to a device
or drive or flash key or something?

Record what?
[]


Likely to be "screen recording".


(I assume since you haven't said otherwise that that _was_ what you were
asking about.)
[]
CamStudio would be an example of a desktop video recorder, but

[]
CamStudio was usually loaded with "adware", so the promoter
could make a buck from it. The "open source" folder is missing
a file, to prevent compiling your own version.

Sneaky )-:
[]
So as for video, there aren't really a lot of good options.

Adobe has Captivate, but that's commercial, and today, is

[]
ChassicShell, VirtualBox has a screen recorder that you can
select without too much trouble. It records in .webm
and the output is too soft to be really useful. (The recorder

[]
The tool I actually use is FFMPEG, but not many people

[Seems that can do anything (-:]
will enjoy using that, so I won't be mentioning that
one either in any detail. It's command line, and that
means some work when using it.

[]
FWIW I found "Debut Video Capture" was OK the one time I wanted such
software, but (a) it did what I wanted then so I've not looked at
anything else, (b) if it still exists, the current product may have
little resemblance to the one I used. [And (c) it may well have ffmpeg
at its core anyway - last time I Everythinged ffmpeg, I found I had lots
of copies, inside other software!]

I think "snippingtool.exe" for static shots, is
"enough of an experience", and video will have to


To the extent that I've never learnt what extra it gives me over
Alt-PrtScn (note: not just PrtScn) followed by trimming in IrfanView.
[]
With regards to static shots I just use
screenshots and save them as .jpg files
and they turn out well.

I think also I'm switching to PostImage vs
Tinypic. There's no pop-ups and the quality
is much better.

Good, I really find Tinypic a pain to use (as a recipient; as a poster,
I just put things on my [tiny] website).

Thanks,
Robert

YW (-:
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

War is God's way of teaching Americans geography. -Ambrose Bierce, writer
(1842-1914)
  #164  
Old July 18th 19, 06:20 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul[_32_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 11,873
Default Win7 support:

Robert in CA wrote:
On Wednesday, July 17, 2019 at 2:45:22 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:

[]
Above the download button it says that
Classic Shell is no longer in active
development but I assume I could still
use it?

[]
Whereas this link finds the executable needed.

https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu/releases


https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-S...wnload/v4.4.13
1/OpenShellSetup_4_4_131.exe

OpenShellSetup_4_4_131.exe 7,086,592 bytes

[]
Thanks for that, Paul.

Having said that, the version on the original website may have stopped
development, but I'm using it, and it works well: since 7 stopped
development a while back too ... though I have downloaded 4_4_131 (I
assume that includes a 32-bit setup as well) and _might_ get round to
looking at what's been added (-:
btw since I have your attention,. is there
a way to record from the computer to a device
or drive or flash key or something?

Record what?
[]
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"I'm a paranoid agnostic. I doubt the existence of God, but I'm sure there is
some force, somewhere, working against me." - Marc Maron





That's why I always go to Paul for
downloads etc and he knows my history
and system very well.

Robert


I'm sure someone knows of a better video recorder
for desktop than I do.

I always seem to test the bad ones.

I got a copy of CamStudio before they put adware
in it, and that's why I could test it :-/

Paul
  #165  
Old July 18th 19, 06:49 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Robert in CA
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 785
Default Win7 support:




btw since I have your attention,. is there
a way to record from the computer to a device
or drive or flash key or something?

Record what?
[]

Likely to be "screen recording".


(I assume since you haven't said otherwise that that _was_ what you were
asking about.)
[]
CamStudio would be an example of a desktop video recorder, but

[]
CamStudio was usually loaded with "adware", so the promoter
could make a buck from it. The "open source" folder is missing
a file, to prevent compiling your own version.

Sneaky )-:
[]
So as for video, there aren't really a lot of good options.

Adobe has Captivate, but that's commercial, and today, is

[]
ChassicShell, VirtualBox has a screen recorder that you can
select without too much trouble. It records in .webm
and the output is too soft to be really useful. (The recorder

[]
The tool I actually use is FFMPEG, but not many people

[Seems that can do anything (-:]
will enjoy using that, so I won't be mentioning that
one either in any detail. It's command line, and that
means some work when using it.

[]
FWIW I found "Debut Video Capture" was OK the one time I wanted such
software, but (a) it did what I wanted then so I've not looked at
anything else, (b) if it still exists, the current product may have
little resemblance to the one I used. [And (c) it may well have ffmpeg
at its core anyway - last time I Everythinged ffmpeg, I found I had lots
of copies, inside other software!]

I think "snippingtool.exe" for static shots, is
"enough of an experience", and video will have to


To the extent that I've never learnt what extra it gives me over
Alt-PrtScn (note: not just PrtScn) followed by trimming in IrfanView.
[]
With regards to static shots I just use
screenshots and save them as .jpg files
and they turn out well.

I think also I'm switching to PostImage vs
Tinypic. There's no pop-ups and the quality
is much better.

Good, I really find Tinypic a pain to use (as a recipient; as a poster,
I just put things on my [tiny] website).

Thanks,
Robert

YW (-:
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

War is God's way of teaching Americans geography. -Ambrose Bierce, writer
(1842-1914)




I used to make miscellaneous VHS tapes with
all sorts of programs on them. With the advent
of DVD's I've lost those programs. I've managed
to find some of them online on YouTube etc. and
would to record them somehow because I've found
that over time some links no longer work and the
documentary can no longer be found, at least in
the original version.

Robert
 




Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off






All times are GMT +1. The time now is 09:36 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004-2024 PCbanter.
The comments are property of their posters.