Virus on page?

On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 12:20:06 -0000, Carlos E.R. wrote:

On 23/03/2019 03.02, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 01:33:25 -0000, Mayayana
wrote:

"Commander Kinsey" wrote

| PDF for graphics and artwork.
|
| Do you really think we can't press "printscreen"?
|

Yes. You can also counterfeit money. But there's
a difference between giving you a high quality TIF
vs a lower quality JPG in a PDF that you then copy
at 96 ppi. Getting good quality from that will be harder
or impossible.

I can get whatever quality you put in the PDF. Same as I can get
whatever quality you put in a Word document. The PDF doesn't protect
you, you're hiding your head in the sand.

And there's a deliberate effort required
on your part to break the law.

Predsing one key on my keyboard ain't breaking the law. If the image is
on my screen, I can do whatever the **** I like with it.

No, you can't. Not within the law.

The image is on MY computer. No logical person would say I can't do what I want with that image.

--
"Gravity is a cruel mistress" - The Tick

On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 12:17:07 -0000, Carlos E.R. wrote:

On 22/03/2019 22.51, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 22 Mar 2019 21:36:55 -0000, Mayayana
wrote:

"Jonathan N. Little" wrote

| Commander Kinsey wrote:
|
| The question should be, why are you deliberately preventing them from
| editing it? Why do you care
|
| Copyright protection on original creative work. Allow others to view
and
| print but not modify.
|

That, too. But in this case it's not even that.
It's just common sense and good business. The
same reason we don't write out checks, receipts and
bills in pencil. The recipient has no right to change
them and such a change could be harmful as well
as criminal.

I can only assume that Cmr. Kinsey has
decided to play devil's advocate. His repeated
questioning makes no sense.

Pssst, I can change your bill by simply screengrabbing it. Your feeble
attempts are futile. Anyone who wants to change something will do so.

That's why PDFs can be signed. Any modification is verifiable.

After printing?

--
A cat will assume the shape of its container.

On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 12:14:32 -0000, Carlos E.R. wrote:

On 22/03/2019 18.35, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 22 Mar 2019 17:24:55 -0000, Mayayana
wrote:

"Commander Kinsey" wrote

| So damn useless then. The number of times I was asked (when working
as IT
support) for a way to simply edit a PDF slightly. Somebody wanted to
change
a few words, omit a section etc. Also my neighbour recently (as a
landlord)
wanted to edit a Council made document to make it suitable for renting a
flat. Almost bloody impossible. That was the whole point of the
document,
to use as a template!
|

Certainly not a good template format. I use PDFs for
business estimates and receipts, but I always write it in
Libre Office as a doc. The PDF is only for sending to
the customer.

The thing is you never know when someone might want to edit what you sent.

I do not want them to edit the document at all! That's the point!

Mean ****.

--
A cat will assume the shape of its container.

Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 04:39:41 -0000, Jonathan N. Little
wrote:

Mayayana wrote:
"Commander Kinsey" wrote

| PDF for graphics and artwork.
|
| Do you really think we can't press "printscreen"?
|

** Yes. You can also counterfeit money. But there's
a difference between giving you a high quality TIF
vs a lower quality JPG in a PDF that you then copy
at 96 ppi. Getting good quality from that will be harder
or impossible. And there's a deliberate effort required
on your part to break the law. Many people will pick up
a wallet on the street and not tell anyone if no one
sees them. Few people will actually pick your pocket
and consciously steal your wallet. PDFs are similar.

Also big difference when it is a *vector* PDF. And editing text is more
difficult. Yes you *can* take a screenshot. There are those who always
steal; but editing my artwork without written consent would violate the
copyright my clients agree to with the project.

Capitalist ****.


Do you get paid for the work you do? I'm an artist, and deserve to get
paid for my work...and we don't even get royalties like musicians and
actors...

--
Take care,

Jonathan
-------------------
LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

On 23/03/2019 13:08, Mayayana wrote:
"Paul" wrote
|
| But if you make a virtual desktop, and resize Acrobat so
| it fills that virtual desktop, eventually you can make
| the virtual screen big enough, that you can capture
| all 600DPI of the picture content. In one screenshot.
|

I guess we'll need to watch out for you and the other
7 people trying to steal 600 DPI graphics and medical
studies out of PDFs.

I actually do a low-tech version of that for my state
taxes. The state of MA have somehow not got their act
together to make fillable forms.

Looks like they do now:
https://www.mass.gov/info-details/el...-forms-program


It's a bit tedious, but not too bad. And easier than filling
in 2-3 sets of forms by hand, then scanning them all in.
The tricky part is figuring out the font size that will spread
the text properly between boxes. The box sizes are not
even the same from one page to the next!

Wow. That's massively tedious. I would fill one set in by hand and then
scan/photocopy it to create copies.

We're getting to an interesting time. Digital media
was never something that could realistically be secured.
Now there are Photoshop tools and video tools that
can make convincing lies of recorded "reality". And there
are people like Cdr. Kinsey, who were probably given far
too much allowance as teenagers, while also living in
a world of digital media, and now believe they have a
right to possess "one of everything" because, hey, the
supply is limitless. He'll probably fight over his right to
a copy of a faded Publishers Clearinghouse ad, as a
matter of principle.

People have been making counterfeits since year dot. Digital media are
no different. Just different tools.


That seems to provide an interesting insight into the
trend toward cashless society. It's insecure, not available
to the poor, creates a parasitic and superfluous middleman
financial class that collects fees on each payment, and
eliminates privacy. But to young people, actual money
may seem like a dirty, germ-infested, insecure artifact.
A "solid" -- something with weight and 3 dimensional
existence that requires physical storage capacity. In
short, an outdated, quirky, inexcusable form of reality.

Cash *is* a quirky reality. Banknotes are simply IOUs from our banks
that we pass between us - they have no intrinsic value. Our money is
what we have deposited at our banks which is just a number on a balance
sheet. It makes perfect sense to get rid of these bit of paper and
simply instruct our banks to perform transactions on our behalf.

The convenience of only having to walk around with a bit of plastic or
your phone is great. It is also more secure than having pockets or shop
registers full of money.

The privacy angle is fair, but long gone as banks already know all our
transactions unless you stuff your mattress full of cash.

They think bytes are what's real and immutable, while the
physical world is unpredictable and largely unclassifiable.

I'm curious to see the day when a solar super-flare or
one of a thousand other possible calamities burns out all
the computers. That may actually be much more dangerous
than climate change. Nearly every car, truck, tractor,
toaster, regfrigerator, furnace, phone, light, municipal
service, and computer built from now on will instantly
stop working. All records of modern society will instantly
disappear. Our possessions and debts will remain only in
our own minds. And the best minds in tech seem to be
oblivious to that. Too busy feeling clever that money can
now be manufactured with bytes.

There was a slight taste of that in NYC, when the hurricane
stranded all the cellphone diddlers who'd given up their
landlines and had no radios. Wealthy Manhattan yuppies
were hiking uptown to charge their phones and seek news
about what was happening, as they camped out in their
apartments, living on day-old bagels and leftover take-out.
But that was just a hurricane. Imagine a total breakdown
of every system, from water to transportation... all the
systems that allow 8 million people to live in vertical storage
on that relatively small island, imagining themselves to be
occupying the center of civilization...

That event was climate change driven and they are becoming more frequent
that any kind of solar flare. THat's why the risks of ignoring it are
huge and will substantially impact on our daily lives.

On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 19:38:35 -0000, Jonathan N. Little wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 04:39:41 -0000, Jonathan N. Little
wrote:

Mayayana wrote:
"Commander Kinsey" wrote

| PDF for graphics and artwork.
|
| Do you really think we can't press "printscreen"?
|

Yes. You can also counterfeit money. But there's
a difference between giving you a high quality TIF
vs a lower quality JPG in a PDF that you then copy
at 96 ppi. Getting good quality from that will be harder
or impossible. And there's a deliberate effort required
on your part to break the law. Many people will pick up
a wallet on the street and not tell anyone if no one
sees them. Few people will actually pick your pocket
and consciously steal your wallet. PDFs are similar.

Also big difference when it is a *vector* PDF. And editing text is more
difficult. Yes you *can* take a screenshot. There are those who always
steal; but editing my artwork without written consent would violate the
copyright my clients agree to with the project.

Capitalist ****.


Do you get paid for the work you do? I'm an artist, and deserve to get
paid for my work...and we don't even get royalties like musicians and
actors...

You're as bad as them, you expect to get paid more than once for one piece of work.

--
!Who! wal!ked acc!ross this ta!glin!e wit!h muddy fee!t!!

Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 19:38:35 -0000, Jonathan N. Little
wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 04:39:41 -0000, Jonathan N. Little
wrote:


snip

Also big difference when it is a *vector* PDF. And editing text is more
difficult. Yes you *can* take a screenshot. There are those who always
steal; but editing my artwork without written consent would violate the
copyright my clients agree to with the project.

Capitalist ****.


Do you get paid for the work you do? I'm an artist, and deserve to get
paid for my work...and we don't even get royalties like musicians and
actors...

You're as bad as them, you expect to get paid more than once for one
piece of work.


How the hell you you come to that conclusion?

--
Take care,

Jonathan
-------------------
LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 12:09:12 -0000, Carlos E.R.

When I send a PDF it is print as /I/ intend, not as you intend.

Because you're more important than me? You need your head examined. I
want to print it as I want, not as you want.

PDF is a derived document, not a master document.

If you were given a copy of the .doc , then that would
truly be a document owner saying to you "you have my
permission to muck about". And, because a good set of
resources is contained in there (especially in .docx where
the images are ZIPped into the file), you really can do
most anything with it. Including extracting images inserted
into the document. A copy of 7ZIP allows tearing apart a
..docx.

A derived document is more limited. The derived document has
security settings. It can use up to AES128 to prevent the
document from falling into the wrong hands. You can send
an AES128 version of the document, send the password separately,
and intermediaries (gmail) cannot read it.

The PDF document also has controls over copying, so the
copy/paste function won't work. A document can have watermarks
injected, to make it obvious when you print the document,
what its status is ("top security" "secret" "for internal use only").

The set of auxiliary functions serve the intended purpose,
which is providing some evidence to the recipient, what
the status of the document is, how it should be
treated ("don't leave it lying on your desktop").

It should be easy to see who owns the document, and
it isn't you. It's the person with the master password
who controls assembly of the derived document.

Paul

On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 20:19:27 -0000, Jonathan N. Little wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 19:38:35 -0000, Jonathan N. Little
wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 04:39:41 -0000, Jonathan N. Little
wrote:


snip

Also big difference when it is a *vector* PDF. And editing text is more
difficult. Yes you *can* take a screenshot. There are those who always
steal; but editing my artwork without written consent would violate the
copyright my clients agree to with the project.

Capitalist ****.


Do you get paid for the work you do? I'm an artist, and deserve to get
paid for my work...and we don't even get royalties like musicians and
actors...

You're as bad as them, you expect to get paid more than once for one
piece of work.

How the hell you you come to that conclusion?

Bricklayer builds one house, gets paid once. He wants more money, he does more work.

Musician records one song, gets paid millions of times over 30 years. Sheer laziness.

--
"Maybe the universe IS fuzzy." --- Hubble Telescope Scientists

On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 20:32:44 -0000, Paul wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 12:09:12 -0000, Carlos E.R.

When I send a PDF it is print as /I/ intend, not as you intend.

Because you're more important than me? You need your head examined. I
want to print it as I want, not as you want.

PDF is a derived document, not a master document.

If you were given a copy of the .doc , then that would
truly be a document owner saying to you "you have my
permission to muck about". And, because a good set of
resources is contained in there (especially in .docx where
the images are ZIPped into the file), you really can do
most anything with it. Including extracting images inserted
into the document. A copy of 7ZIP allows tearing apart a
.docx.

A derived document is more limited. The derived document has
security settings. It can use up to AES128 to prevent the
document from falling into the wrong hands. You can send
an AES128 version of the document, send the password separately,
and intermediaries (gmail) cannot read it.

The PDF document also has controls over copying, so the
copy/paste function won't work. A document can have watermarks
injected, to make it obvious when you print the document,
what its status is ("top security" "secret" "for internal use only").

The set of auxiliary functions serve the intended purpose,
which is providing some evidence to the recipient, what
the status of the document is, how it should be
treated ("don't leave it lying on your desktop").

It should be easy to see who owns the document, and
it isn't you. It's the person with the master password
who controls assembly of the derived document.

I wouldn't accept that **** from anyone.

--
$$$ not found -- (A)bort (R)efinance (B)ankrupt

On 23/03/2019 19:29, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 12:20:06 -0000, Carlos E.R.
wrote:

On 23/03/2019 03.02, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 01:33:25 -0000, Mayayana
wrote:

"Commander Kinsey" wrote

| PDF for graphics and artwork.
|
| Do you really think we can't press "printscreen"?
|

** Yes. You can also counterfeit money. But there's
a difference between giving you a high quality TIF
vs a lower quality JPG in a PDF that you then copy
at 96 ppi. Getting good quality from that will be harder
or impossible.

I can get whatever quality you put in the PDF.* Same as I can get
whatever quality you put in a Word document.* The PDF doesn't protect
you, you're hiding your head in the sand.

And there's a deliberate effort required
on your part to break the law.

Predsing one key on my keyboard ain't breaking the law.* If the image is
on my screen, I can do whatever the **** I like with it.

No, you can't. Not within the law.

The image is on MY computer.* No logical person would say I can't do
what I want with that image.

I used to think much as you do.

What you cannot do, as has been borne out in practice, is to store a
copy of an image or video in an environment external to your computer
without the permission of the copyright holder.

Here's an example: https://vimeo.com/305979105

It took me a while to recognise that action cannot easily be taken,
though, with regard to images stored on Usenet servers! ;-)

D.

On 23/03/2019 19:27, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 10:55:27 -0000, David in Devon
wrote:

On 23/03/2019 02:02, Commander Kinsey wrote:

Tax men aren't clever enough.

cough Yes - they are! ;-)

Not in my experience.

I know you will recognise that in my role as a Financial Adviser after
my naval career I worked closely with solicitors, accountants and tax
officials mainly, but not solely, with Inheritance Tax matters.

I am BOUND to have more experience than you, Commander! ;-)

--
David B.
Devon, UK

On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 21:13:31 -0000, David in Devon wrote:

On 23/03/2019 19:27, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 10:55:27 -0000, David in Devon
wrote:

On 23/03/2019 02:02, Commander Kinsey wrote:

Tax men aren't clever enough.

cough Yes - they are! ;-)

Not in my experience.

I know you will recognise that in my role as a Financial Adviser after
my naval career I worked closely with solicitors, accountants and tax
officials mainly, but not solely, with Inheritance Tax matters.

I am BOUND to have more experience than you, Commander! ;-)

They've not caught me yet.

--
A bartender is just a pharmacist with a limited inventory.

In article , Paul
wrote:

For example, the table inside the document might only
have "ABCDE" from Times Roman. If you want to edit
the text string in the PDF file, and you need an "F",
it's not in the table. You may receive an error message
from the PDF editor that "the font is not available".

although technically possible, there is zero advantage in doing so.

It's got nothing to do with "zero advantage".

it does.

it's not worth the trouble to choose only the characters used.

I'm describing how these work.

incorrectly.

Your PDF document that you sent to others, only has
a partial set of character inside the document. A portion
of the Comic Sans font you insisted on using, is copied
into the document. The inventors of this idea, did it
specifically to ensure the font industry would never die.
As anyone seeking to edit that Comic Sans text you put
in your PDF, is now going to need the real font installed
on their system, to finish the edits.

the entire font is embedded if necessary and if the author wants it to
be, which in some cases, they might not.

if the font is embedded, readers do not need to do anything.

if not, they will need the correct font installed and if it's not, a
similar one will be used which may cause issues.

I know this, because I've already been caught in that
scenario. Subset fonts in document, and not the right
fonts in my system folder.

that doesn't mean only certain letters of a font are used.

In article , Paul
wrote:

PDF is a derived document, not a master document.

pdf can be a master document.

If you were given a copy of the .doc , then that would
truly be a document owner saying to you "you have my
permission to muck about". And, because a good set of
resources is contained in there (especially in .docx where
the images are ZIPped into the file), you really can do
most anything with it. Including extracting images inserted
into the document. A copy of 7ZIP allows tearing apart a
.docx.

not everything starts off as .doc or docx and pdf can embed all sorts
of stuff including photos and videos.