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On Friday, July 5, 2019 at 8:39:14 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote: On Friday, July 5, 2019 at 4:38:49 PM UTC-7, Robert in CA wrote: On Friday, July 5, 2019 at 8:03:57 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote: Robert in CA wrote: On Thursday, July 4, 2019 at 7:16:15 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote: 1) Download MediaCreationTool1903.exe 2) Execute MediaCreationTool1903.exe 3) "Prepare media for another computer". 4) It'll download 3.5GB of stuff for the ISO file. 5) Have it burn the DVD-R when the download step is finished. 6) Place Spare drive in 8500, remove original drive. 7) Boot the DVD-R. 8) Do a Clean Install on the empty Spare drive. 9) A couple of screens into the install process, it will ask for a license key. 10) Enter the key. 11) Finish the install of Windows 10. 12) Verify it is activated. 13) Put original drive back in the 8500. I tried running the media creation tool: http://i68.tinypic.com/f0dweb.jpg "Create installation media..." http://i68.tinypic.com/256y7hl.jpg (Language selection etc) http://i68.tinypic.com/nlzhhl.jpg ISO file choice http://i64.tinypic.com/33090cl.jpg (windows.iso in Documents folder) http://i66.tinypic.com/2eqdnaf.jpg Errroor 0x8007139F - 0x90019 In passing here's the DVD-R, that looks like the old style reel to reel's. Pretty cool looking I think. http://i65.tinypic.com/23vchsj.jpg Robert ¡Ay, caramba! (denotes pain or surprise) I do hope you've logged in using your Administrator account. That's not what the error ( "0x8007139F - 0x90019" ) says by the way. I can't find that error. ******* We'll need help from the logfiles. These two files can be dropped onto an open copy of Notepad. https://www.winhelponline.com/blog/m...0072f76-20017/ C:\EWindows.~WS\Sources\Panther setuperr.log setupact.log You can see a representation here, if my output from MediaCreationTool1903.exe . I shut down this VM while the Win10 ISO was downloading, to "simulate an error". https://i.postimg.cc/9M43zQRp/logfiles-in-Notepad.gif The logfiles really aren't that helpful, unless by accident they blurt out the actual error! Try to collect any information you can get from there, that you feel is relevant. You don't have to do a new run yet - just have a look at the files first, before they're overwritten. Paul Yes, I was logged in as Administrator. I tried it once but got to a point where it said it required administrator account. So I switched users and logged in as Administrator. I'm not sure what you want me to do at this point? I went to the link provided but am confused what I am suppose to do? Do I run Win 10 update repair tool and then download it? I have no idea what would be relevant even if I saw it. Robert In passing I ran a Smart scan on the 780 recently and it said that my Firefox was out of date along with other programs.So I went into FirefoxhelpAbout Firefox and updated it but then it asked me to provide a password to keep it in sync. I didn't know what that was so backed out. However I got two messages on the 8500 that the Firefox password had changed. How can that be? I didn't touch the 8500. and the 780 doesn't seem different and I didn't know what programs were outdated as it didn't specify. Robert You've got me beat on the Firefox. Here is some text. "When using Sync, your Firefox Accounts login is stored with your saved passwords in the password manager. Your master password must be entered so Sync can access your Firefox Accounts login. Once the master password has been entered, Sync can also access your other saved passwords and sync them between your devices." You appear to be passing passwords between the two computers by using some sort of storage on the Mozilla site. I *never* follow any prompts presented in Firefox. Sales pitches are totally ineffective on me. ******* As for the situation on our little Win10 Digital Entitlement goes, Google is giving me no help at all. I could come up with a means to get the "too large" version of Windows 10, but then that needs dual layer media. And not even *I* will stoop to such stupidity. If Windows 10 required me to buy dual-layer media, Windows 10 would not be in my computer room... It's that simple. I noticed something else while analyzing the situation: 11 OS version (too big) Win10_1903_V1_English_x64.iso 4,939,528,192 bytes (needs dual layer DVD) install.wim inside... === everyone gets the same file The DVD can be obtained using a Torrent. SHA256: 9846DFBDD7C39EB8D025E0F28E180C6F4084ECF87ECD11805C D19C205F7A3B4E And using that checksum, I could get a torrent with that on it. Except it's unfit for the DVDs in hand! The MediaCreationTool1903 version: 7 OS version (fits a single layer DVD) Win10-64bit-mediacreation-1903-7OSes.iso 3,967,483,904 bytes install.esd inside... === everyone gets a *different* file. Computing a SHA256 is useless. There is *no way* to validate a torrented version as being authentic. Shades of Windows 8 nightmares. The ESD doesn't appear to be encrypted, but some strings inside the file are probably generated on-the-fly by the preparation tool. This means there is no way to prove the authenticity. ******* I can find *no* authoritative error code listing. 0x8007139F - 0x90019 That could be related to Windows Update. But the second number is important too. What error is that ? Only the two log files might give us a hint now. ******* Why have these people *insisted* on turning something simple, into an "IT project" ???? "Here, let's take something simple and make it complicated. Heh heh heh." Maybe it's a filter to make sure that only IT experts get a copy of Windows 10 ? I have a recipe to turn the 11 OS version into a 1 OS version, which fits on a DVD. Again, it was never my intention to "torture you" with one of my recipes. This was supposed to be a simple project. ******* What we *can* do, is fetch a *stale* copy of Windows 10, and you can use that for install. Now, how pleasant is that ? DVD+R 4,700,372,992 bytes \___ capacity of your media DVD-R 4,700,000,000 bytes / Most likely Heidoc values on size. These are the sizes of files with consistent checksums. 1903 x64 4,939,528,192 bytes 1809 x64 5,075,539,968 bytes (last version) 11 OS version 3,849,388,032 bytes (first version) 7 OS version 1803 x64 4,692,365,312 bytes You can see how close to the limit this is!!! 1709 x64 4,697,362,432 bytes 1703 x64 4,334,315,520 bytes 1511 x64 4,017,000,448 bytes Using your web browser, load the *First* link here, which is for the x64 version of release 1809. The download should be 3,849,388,032 bytes. I generated this link using the Heidoc URL generator. https://software-download.microsoft....b2 07c49fa8d4 https://software-download.microsoft....cd 74bf365234 Link valid for 24 hours Link expires 7/7/2019 3:25:08AM UTC There's no guarantee this is going to work, so it could be a waste of a DVD and of your bandwidth. It's either this, or analyze logfiles... Paul The only password I use on FF is my Administration password but I don't recall having to sign-on to sync my computers with my User Account and the Username is different on both computers so how could one affect the other? Regarding Win10, as you say; I thought this was going to be a simple straight forward procedure but I see its turning into another problem like finding the drivers or the file to stop the pop- up. I'm thinking that the guys who design cars are now designing computers so they'll break, come up with errors or lead down a treacherous path with no verification that its valid. I'm just trying to follow your suggestion in obtaining a Win 10 key if and when I ever need it but will stay with Win 7 Pro as long as possible. I followed your instructions and downloaded the first link which is for 64bit: http://i64.tinypic.com/25rf7eb.jpg http://i64.tinypic.com/2lm58r6.jpg I inserted a DVD-R but says there's not enough room, what am I suppose to be using? What am I doing wrong? Thanks, Robert |
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Robert in CA wrote:
On Friday, July 5, 2019 at 8:39:14 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote: Robert in CA wrote: On Friday, July 5, 2019 at 4:38:49 PM UTC-7, Robert in CA wrote: On Friday, July 5, 2019 at 8:03:57 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote: Robert in CA wrote: On Thursday, July 4, 2019 at 7:16:15 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote: 1) Download MediaCreationTool1903.exe 2) Execute MediaCreationTool1903.exe 3) "Prepare media for another computer". 4) It'll download 3.5GB of stuff for the ISO file. 5) Have it burn the DVD-R when the download step is finished. 6) Place Spare drive in 8500, remove original drive. 7) Boot the DVD-R. 8) Do a Clean Install on the empty Spare drive. 9) A couple of screens into the install process, it will ask for a license key. 10) Enter the key. 11) Finish the install of Windows 10. 12) Verify it is activated. 13) Put original drive back in the 8500. I tried running the media creation tool: http://i68.tinypic.com/f0dweb.jpg "Create installation media..." http://i68.tinypic.com/256y7hl.jpg (Language selection etc) http://i68.tinypic.com/nlzhhl.jpg ISO file choice http://i64.tinypic.com/33090cl.jpg (windows.iso in Documents folder) http://i66.tinypic.com/2eqdnaf.jpg Errroor 0x8007139F - 0x90019 In passing here's the DVD-R, that looks like the old style reel to reel's. Pretty cool looking I think. http://i65.tinypic.com/23vchsj.jpg Robert ¡Ay, caramba! (denotes pain or surprise) I do hope you've logged in using your Administrator account. That's not what the error ( "0x8007139F - 0x90019" ) says by the way. I can't find that error. ******* We'll need help from the logfiles. These two files can be dropped onto an open copy of Notepad. https://www.winhelponline.com/blog/m...0072f76-20017/ C:\EWindows.~WS\Sources\Panther setuperr.log setupact.log You can see a representation here, if my output from MediaCreationTool1903.exe . I shut down this VM while the Win10 ISO was downloading, to "simulate an error". https://i.postimg.cc/9M43zQRp/logfiles-in-Notepad.gif The logfiles really aren't that helpful, unless by accident they blurt out the actual error! Try to collect any information you can get from there, that you feel is relevant. You don't have to do a new run yet - just have a look at the files first, before they're overwritten. Paul Yes, I was logged in as Administrator. I tried it once but got to a point where it said it required administrator account. So I switched users and logged in as Administrator. I'm not sure what you want me to do at this point? I went to the link provided but am confused what I am suppose to do? Do I run Win 10 update repair tool and then download it? I have no idea what would be relevant even if I saw it. Robert In passing I ran a Smart scan on the 780 recently and it said that my Firefox was out of date along with other programs.So I went into FirefoxhelpAbout Firefox and updated it but then it asked me to provide a password to keep it in sync. I didn't know what that was so backed out. However I got two messages on the 8500 that the Firefox password had changed. How can that be? I didn't touch the 8500. and the 780 doesn't seem different and I didn't know what programs were outdated as it didn't specify. Robert You've got me beat on the Firefox. Here is some text. "When using Sync, your Firefox Accounts login is stored with your saved passwords in the password manager. Your master password must be entered so Sync can access your Firefox Accounts login. Once the master password has been entered, Sync can also access your other saved passwords and sync them between your devices." You appear to be passing passwords between the two computers by using some sort of storage on the Mozilla site. I *never* follow any prompts presented in Firefox. Sales pitches are totally ineffective on me. ******* As for the situation on our little Win10 Digital Entitlement goes, Google is giving me no help at all. I could come up with a means to get the "too large" version of Windows 10, but then that needs dual layer media. And not even *I* will stoop to such stupidity. If Windows 10 required me to buy dual-layer media, Windows 10 would not be in my computer room... It's that simple. I noticed something else while analyzing the situation: 11 OS version (too big) Win10_1903_V1_English_x64.iso 4,939,528,192 bytes (needs dual layer DVD) install.wim inside... === everyone gets the same file The DVD can be obtained using a Torrent. SHA256: 9846DFBDD7C39EB8D025E0F28E180C6F4084ECF87ECD11805C D19C205F7A3B4E And using that checksum, I could get a torrent with that on it. Except it's unfit for the DVDs in hand! The MediaCreationTool1903 version: 7 OS version (fits a single layer DVD) Win10-64bit-mediacreation-1903-7OSes.iso 3,967,483,904 bytes install.esd inside... === everyone gets a *different* file. Computing a SHA256 is useless. There is *no way* to validate a torrented version as being authentic. Shades of Windows 8 nightmares. The ESD doesn't appear to be encrypted, but some strings inside the file are probably generated on-the-fly by the preparation tool. This means there is no way to prove the authenticity. ******* I can find *no* authoritative error code listing. 0x8007139F - 0x90019 That could be related to Windows Update. But the second number is important too. What error is that ? Only the two log files might give us a hint now. ******* Why have these people *insisted* on turning something simple, into an "IT project" ???? "Here, let's take something simple and make it complicated. Heh heh heh." Maybe it's a filter to make sure that only IT experts get a copy of Windows 10 ? I have a recipe to turn the 11 OS version into a 1 OS version, which fits on a DVD. Again, it was never my intention to "torture you" with one of my recipes. This was supposed to be a simple project. ******* What we *can* do, is fetch a *stale* copy of Windows 10, and you can use that for install. Now, how pleasant is that ? DVD+R 4,700,372,992 bytes \___ capacity of your media DVD-R 4,700,000,000 bytes / Most likely Heidoc values on size. These are the sizes of files with consistent checksums. 1903 x64 4,939,528,192 bytes 1809 x64 5,075,539,968 bytes (last version) 11 OS version 3,849,388,032 bytes (first version) 7 OS version 1803 x64 4,692,365,312 bytes You can see how close to the limit this is!!! 1709 x64 4,697,362,432 bytes 1703 x64 4,334,315,520 bytes 1511 x64 4,017,000,448 bytes Using your web browser, load the *First* link here, which is for the x64 version of release 1809. The download should be 3,849,388,032 bytes. I generated this link using the Heidoc URL generator. https://software-download.microsoft....b2 07c49fa8d4 https://software-download.microsoft....cd 74bf365234 Link valid for 24 hours Link expires 7/7/2019 3:25:08AM UTC There's no guarantee this is going to work, so it could be a waste of a DVD and of your bandwidth. It's either this, or analyze logfiles... Paul The only password I use on FF is my Administration password but I don't recall having to sign-on to sync my computers with my User Account and the Username is different on both computers so how could one affect the other? Regarding Win10, as you say; I thought this was going to be a simple straight forward procedure but I see its turning into another problem like finding the drivers or the file to stop the pop- up. I'm thinking that the guys who design cars are now designing computers so they'll break, come up with errors or lead down a treacherous path with no verification that its valid. I'm just trying to follow your suggestion in obtaining a Win 10 key if and when I ever need it but will stay with Win 7 Pro as long as possible. I followed your instructions and downloaded the first link which is for 64bit: http://i64.tinypic.com/25rf7eb.jpg http://i64.tinypic.com/2lm58r6.jpg I inserted a DVD-R but says there's not enough room, what am I suppose to be using? What am I doing wrong? Thanks, Robert I tried my best. I guess I should have downloaded it and verified the size. It sounds like the Heidoc URL fetched the later one. Win10_1809Oct_English_x64___10.0.17763.107.iso 5,075,539,968 bytes Well, that's not going to work. The one I selected was supposed to be the smaller one. Win10_1809_English_x64___10.0.17763.1.iso 3,849,388,032 bytes I think I understand what is going on. It's possible I used a MediaCreationTool to get the smaller one, and it wasn't a Heidoc method. The thing is, I didn't know about the possibility of these different sized medias until just recently. ******* OK, so you've got a bloated piece of crap. Now what ? I wrote an article on May 26, on how to shrink media in this case. Reducing the OSes on the DVD from 11 OSes to 1 OS image, makes the DVD 500,000,000 bytes smaller. Which allows it to fit on a DVD. http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi...nt-email.me%3E However, this is not an easy project to carry out. Which is why I didn't really want to share this. Much cursing and swearing. And I have lots of OSes and environments, so I can cherry-pick the "best materials" for work like this. I never intended to do one of these with one arm tied behind my back. I'm pretty severely constrained on how I can craft a solution for you. And I can see now how the simple method isn't going to work, because that stupid bloated one is going to keep showing up. ******* OK. Another try. Could you run the MediaCreationTool1903.exe on the 780 ? Does that work, or does it conk out ? Paul |
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Looking _only_ at the Firefox bits!
In message , Robert in CA writes: On Friday, July 5, 2019 at 8:39:14 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote: Robert in CA wrote: [] In passing I ran a Smart scan on the 780 recently and it said that my Firefox was out of date along with other programs.So I went into FirefoxhelpAbout Firefox and updated it but then it asked me to provide a password to keep it in sync. I didn't know what that was so backed out. However I got two messages on the 8500 that the Firefox password had changed. If you use Firefox on two or more machines, but find that any (remote site) password you store on one machine is usable from the other one(s), then, at some point, you have signed up to "Firefox sync". (I think it sync.s bookmarks, and possibly some other settings, too.) When you run Firefox, it connects to the mozilla server to sync the two (or more) machines; it does this automatically, including a password for the connection to the sync server (which apparently is a pain - or impossible - to get back if you forget it and need it, such as when setting up a new machine you want synced to the others). How can that be? I didn't touch the 8500. and the 780 doesn't seem different and I didn't know what programs were outdated as it didn't specify. Robert You've got me beat on the Firefox. Here is some text. "When using Sync, your Firefox Accounts login is stored with your saved passwords in the password manager. Your master password must be entered so Sync can access your Firefox Accounts login. Once the master password has been entered, Sync can also access your other saved passwords and sync them between your devices." You appear to be passing passwords between the two computers by using some sort of storage on the Mozilla site. I *never* follow any prompts presented in Firefox. Sales pitches are totally ineffective on me. I don't think he was getting the prompt(s) from Firefox; he "ran a Smart scan" which told him his Firefox was out of date "along with other programs". I presume "a Smart scan" is some third-party "am I up to date on everything" utility. [I steer clear of such things as more likely to generate FUD than be useful, but each to his own.] ******* As for the situation on our little Win10 Digital Entitlement [snip] Why have these people *insisted* on turning something simple, into an "IT project" ???? Because they can, and nobody - certainly no single government - is big enough to stop them. "Here, let's take something simple and make it complicated. Heh heh heh." Maybe it's a filter to make sure that only IT experts get a copy of Windows 10 ? I've rather enjoyed watching your (Paul) attitude to MS changing over the last year or three (-:. I have a recipe to turn the 11 OS version into a 1 OS version, which fits on a DVD. Again, it was never my intention to Commendable! "torture you" with one of my recipes. This was supposed to be a simple project. (-: [] DVD+R 4,700,372,992 bytes \___ capacity of your media DVD-R 4,700,000,000 bytes / I never knew that (that they were different). Most likely Heidoc values on size. These are the sizes of files with consistent checksums. Useful table. [] The only password I use on FF is my Administration password but I don't recall having to sign-on to sync my computers with my User Account and the Username is different on both computers so how could one affect the other? AIUI, the syncing is done by Firefox automatically for you, i. e. it remembers and sends the necessary password. Which is different (I think) to any Firefox master password. I _think_ you can sync Firefoxes on different machines with different usernames (I think you can sync a version on a 'phone, for example, to one on a Windows machine). [] I'm thinking that the guys who design cars are now designing computers so they'll break, come up with errors or lead down a treacherous path with no verification that its valid. Yes, cars are getting too complex too, certainly from the user's point of view (i. e. the changes give most of _us_ no benefit now). I'm just trying to follow your suggestion in obtaining a Win 10 key if and when I ever need it but will stay with Win 7 Pro as long as possible. Personally, I'm just keeping imaging (my W7 machine). If the time comes when the computer dies, and I can't find another one with W7-32 on it and have to get a W10 one (or Linux), then it'll have the W10 already there - so I'm not worrying about getting an entitlement. Not to say you shouldn't try, having gone this far! [] -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf I don't like activity holidays. I like /inactivity/ holidays. - Miriam Margolyes, RT 2017/4/15-21 |
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On Thursday, July 4, 2019 at 7:24:08 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote: Just re-reading some of your earlier posts,.. and there's allot to this,.we better start from the beginning on this and take it step by step. Robert Go here and get the "MediaCreationTool1903.exe". https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...load/windows10 There's a download button, to get the stub downloader that fetches the DVD for you. https://i.postimg.cc/B62cj5Sp/Media-Creation-Tool.gif It will likely want to run as Administrator. Since you have two machines to do, it's better to "create media for another computer" when asked. It will create an ISO file (worth keeping). It will also offer to burn the disc using the Windows IMAPI2 interface. It will offer that option only after the download is complete. It isn't as up-front about that as it could be. The burning would work if you have DVD+R or DVD-R without a problem. The Windows burner doesn't seem to know how to format the rewriteable media types, which is the only problem I've had with it. Once you have the media, then you have materials to work with. It might take an hour or two for the download, maybe 15 minutes for a burn and verify. Then on the XPS 8500, you can try entering the key when the installer prompts for it. ******* Both of your machines are Windows 7 SP1 Pro x64 as far as I know. Control Panels : System can help verify that. The download page will ask what you want, and you want an x64 disc. I don't think any 32 bit OSes are involved here. And when installing, if any selection is offered, you match the Pro part, if you have Pro or Professional. Win7 Home Premium = Win10 Home Win7 Professional = Win10 Pro Win7 Ultimate = Win10 Pro When running the DVD on the XPS 8500 with blank Spare drive inside, the installer will take care of the partitions. I usually use "Custom" when doing installs and select whatever I had in mind, but the automation in this case would be good enough. It should present the only disk in the computer (the blank one) as a target. It will summarize what it is about to do, before the actual install starts. Early on, it may prompt for a license key. That's your opportunity to enter one. The copy-files stage of the install could take an hour, while the multiple-reboots phase might take 15-20 minutes or so. The version of Windows 10 now, puts more time into the copy-files, and less time doing the install once all the files are on the hard drive. Note: You can prepare the DVD on either the 8500 or 780, doesn't matter, because it doesn't know what your plan is when "making media for another computer". As long as the 780 and 8500 have a working DVD burner, either machine would do for that step. HTH, Paul I tried it on the 780: http://i65.tinypic.com/29zttud.jpg http://i67.tinypic.com/27yr2uo.jpg http://i64.tinypic.com/2pqlx0i.jpg http://i66.tinypic.com/35jxc90.jpg http://i64.tinypic.com/2a8g46t.jpg http://i65.tinypic.com/9fqq3c.jpg http://i65.tinypic.com/2d1wtj4.jpg http://i65.tinypic.com/9au1ih.jpg http://i68.tinypic.com/2prv1ab.jpg At the end the tray opened and gave me the option to close or burn. So I closed the application and removed the DVD-R. So am I good to go? Robert |
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On Thursday, July 4, 2019 at 7:24:08 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote: Robert in CA wrote: Just re-reading some of your earlier posts,.. and there's allot to this,.we better start from the beginning on this and take it step by step. Robert Go here and get the "MediaCreationTool1903.exe". https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...load/windows10 There's a download button, to get the stub downloader that fetches the DVD for you. https://i.postimg.cc/B62cj5Sp/Media-Creation-Tool.gif It will likely want to run as Administrator. Since you have two machines to do, it's better to "create media for another computer" when asked. It will create an ISO file (worth keeping). It will also offer to burn the disc using the Windows IMAPI2 interface. It will offer that option only after the download is complete. It isn't as up-front about that as it could be. The burning would work if you have DVD+R or DVD-R without a problem. The Windows burner doesn't seem to know how to format the rewriteable media types, which is the only problem I've had with it. Once you have the media, then you have materials to work with. It might take an hour or two for the download, maybe 15 minutes for a burn and verify. Then on the XPS 8500, you can try entering the key when the installer prompts for it. ******* Both of your machines are Windows 7 SP1 Pro x64 as far as I know. Control Panels : System can help verify that. The download page will ask what you want, and you want an x64 disc. I don't think any 32 bit OSes are involved here. And when installing, if any selection is offered, you match the Pro part, if you have Pro or Professional. Win7 Home Premium = Win10 Home Win7 Professional = Win10 Pro Win7 Ultimate = Win10 Pro When running the DVD on the XPS 8500 with blank Spare drive inside, the installer will take care of the partitions. I usually use "Custom" when doing installs and select whatever I had in mind, but the automation in this case would be good enough. It should present the only disk in the computer (the blank one) as a target. It will summarize what it is about to do, before the actual install starts. Early on, it may prompt for a license key. That's your opportunity to enter one. The copy-files stage of the install could take an hour, while the multiple-reboots phase might take 15-20 minutes or so. The version of Windows 10 now, puts more time into the copy-files, and less time doing the install once all the files are on the hard drive. Note: You can prepare the DVD on either the 8500 or 780, doesn't matter, because it doesn't know what your plan is when "making media for another computer". As long as the 780 and 8500 have a working DVD burner, either machine would do for that step. HTH, Paul I tried it on the 780: http://i65.tinypic.com/29zttud.jpg "Create install media" http://i67.tinypic.com/27yr2uo.jpg "Language" http://i64.tinypic.com/2pqlx0i.jpg damaged http://i66.tinypic.com/35jxc90.jpg damaged http://i64.tinypic.com/2a8g46t.jpg damaged http://i65.tinypic.com/9fqq3c.jpg damaged http://i65.tinypic.com/2d1wtj4.jpg damaged http://i65.tinypic.com/9au1ih.jpg damaged http://i68.tinypic.com/2prv1ab.jpg damaged At the end the tray opened and gave me the option to close or burn. So I closed the application and removed the DVD-R. So am I good to go? Robert I can only see the first two of your links. The other images claim the image has been removed ? If you got an ISO file, please give an indication of the file size in bytes. (Do "Properties" on the file in File Explorer.) This size is only a rough indicator, since the ISO file contains an install.esd, and the contents vary from one person to the next. I made up a filename for it, so the file name won't match the filename you used. I name them so I can keep track of them. Win10-64bit-mediacreation-1903-7OSes.iso 3,967,483,904 bytes You can use Imgburn, and the top left of the six buttons ("Write Image File to Disc"), to burn an ISO and make bootable media using a DVD. HTH, Paul |
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On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 10:46:29 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote: On Thursday, July 4, 2019 at 7:24:08 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote: Robert in CA wrote: Just re-reading some of your earlier posts,.. and there's allot to this,.we better start from the beginning on this and take it step by step. Robert Go here and get the "MediaCreationTool1903.exe". https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...load/windows10 There's a download button, to get the stub downloader that fetches the DVD for you. https://i.postimg.cc/B62cj5Sp/Media-Creation-Tool.gif It will likely want to run as Administrator. Since you have two machines to do, it's better to "create media for another computer" when asked. It will create an ISO file (worth keeping). It will also offer to burn the disc using the Windows IMAPI2 interface. It will offer that option only after the download is complete. It isn't as up-front about that as it could be. The burning would work if you have DVD+R or DVD-R without a problem. The Windows burner doesn't seem to know how to format the rewriteable media types, which is the only problem I've had with it. Once you have the media, then you have materials to work with. It might take an hour or two for the download, maybe 15 minutes for a burn and verify. Then on the XPS 8500, you can try entering the key when the installer prompts for it. ******* Both of your machines are Windows 7 SP1 Pro x64 as far as I know. Control Panels : System can help verify that. The download page will ask what you want, and you want an x64 disc. I don't think any 32 bit OSes are involved here. And when installing, if any selection is offered, you match the Pro part, if you have Pro or Professional. Win7 Home Premium = Win10 Home Win7 Professional = Win10 Pro Win7 Ultimate = Win10 Pro When running the DVD on the XPS 8500 with blank Spare drive inside, the installer will take care of the partitions. I usually use "Custom" when doing installs and select whatever I had in mind, but the automation in this case would be good enough. It should present the only disk in the computer (the blank one) as a target. It will summarize what it is about to do, before the actual install starts. Early on, it may prompt for a license key. That's your opportunity to enter one. The copy-files stage of the install could take an hour, while the multiple-reboots phase might take 15-20 minutes or so. The version of Windows 10 now, puts more time into the copy-files, and less time doing the install once all the files are on the hard drive. Note: You can prepare the DVD on either the 8500 or 780, doesn't matter, because it doesn't know what your plan is when "making media for another computer". As long as the 780 and 8500 have a working DVD burner, either machine would do for that step. HTH, Paul I tried it on the 780: http://i65.tinypic.com/29zttud.jpg "Create install media" http://i67.tinypic.com/27yr2uo.jpg "Language" http://i64.tinypic.com/2pqlx0i.jpg damaged http://i66.tinypic.com/35jxc90.jpg damaged http://i64.tinypic.com/2a8g46t.jpg damaged http://i65.tinypic.com/9fqq3c.jpg damaged http://i65.tinypic.com/2d1wtj4.jpg damaged http://i65.tinypic.com/9au1ih.jpg damaged http://i68.tinypic.com/2prv1ab.jpg damaged At the end the tray opened and gave me the option to close or burn. So I closed the application and removed the DVD-R. So am I good to go? Robert I can only see the first two of your links. The other images claim the image has been removed ? If you got an ISO file, please give an indication of the file size in bytes. (Do "Properties" on the file in File Explorer.) This size is only a rough indicator, since the ISO file contains an install.esd, and the contents vary from one person to the next. I made up a filename for it, so the file name won't match the filename you used. I name them so I can keep track of them. Win10-64bit-mediacreation-1903-7OSes.iso 3,967,483,904 bytes You can use Imgburn, and the top left of the six buttons ("Write Image File to Disc"), to burn an ISO and make bootable media using a DVD. HTH, Paul ugh all that work! Tinypic was giving me trouble on the 780,.... Let me see if I can do this Robert |
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On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 10:46:29 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote: On Thursday, July 4, 2019 at 7:24:08 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote: Robert in CA wrote: Just re-reading some of your earlier posts,.. and there's allot to this,.we better start from the beginning on this and take it step by step. Robert Go here and get the "MediaCreationTool1903.exe". https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...load/windows10 There's a download button, to get the stub downloader that fetches the DVD for you. https://i.postimg.cc/B62cj5Sp/Media-Creation-Tool.gif It will likely want to run as Administrator. Since you have two machines to do, it's better to "create media for another computer" when asked. It will create an ISO file (worth keeping). It will also offer to burn the disc using the Windows IMAPI2 interface. It will offer that option only after the download is complete. It isn't as up-front about that as it could be. The burning would work if you have DVD+R or DVD-R without a problem. The Windows burner doesn't seem to know how to format the rewriteable media types, which is the only problem I've had with it. Once you have the media, then you have materials to work with. It might take an hour or two for the download, maybe 15 minutes for a burn and verify. Then on the XPS 8500, you can try entering the key when the installer prompts for it. ******* Both of your machines are Windows 7 SP1 Pro x64 as far as I know. Control Panels : System can help verify that. The download page will ask what you want, and you want an x64 disc. I don't think any 32 bit OSes are involved here. And when installing, if any selection is offered, you match the Pro part, if you have Pro or Professional. Win7 Home Premium = Win10 Home Win7 Professional = Win10 Pro Win7 Ultimate = Win10 Pro When running the DVD on the XPS 8500 with blank Spare drive inside, the installer will take care of the partitions. I usually use "Custom" when doing installs and select whatever I had in mind, but the automation in this case would be good enough. It should present the only disk in the computer (the blank one) as a target. It will summarize what it is about to do, before the actual install starts. Early on, it may prompt for a license key. That's your opportunity to enter one. The copy-files stage of the install could take an hour, while the multiple-reboots phase might take 15-20 minutes or so. The version of Windows 10 now, puts more time into the copy-files, and less time doing the install once all the files are on the hard drive. Note: You can prepare the DVD on either the 8500 or 780, doesn't matter, because it doesn't know what your plan is when "making media for another computer". As long as the 780 and 8500 have a working DVD burner, either machine would do for that step. HTH, Paul I tried it on the 780: http://i65.tinypic.com/29zttud.jpg "Create install media" http://i67.tinypic.com/27yr2uo.jpg "Language" http://i64.tinypic.com/2pqlx0i.jpg damaged http://i66.tinypic.com/35jxc90.jpg damaged http://i64.tinypic.com/2a8g46t.jpg damaged http://i65.tinypic.com/9fqq3c.jpg damaged http://i65.tinypic.com/2d1wtj4.jpg damaged http://i65.tinypic.com/9au1ih.jpg damaged http://i68.tinypic.com/2prv1ab.jpg damaged At the end the tray opened and gave me the option to close or burn. So I closed the application and removed the DVD-R. So am I good to go? Robert I can only see the first two of your links. The other images claim the image has been removed ? If you got an ISO file, please give an indication of the file size in bytes. (Do "Properties" on the file in File Explorer.) This size is only a rough indicator, since the ISO file contains an install.esd, and the contents vary from one person to the next. I made up a filename for it, so the file name won't match the filename you used. I name them so I can keep track of them. Win10-64bit-mediacreation-1903-7OSes.iso 3,967,483,904 bytes You can use Imgburn, and the top left of the six buttons ("Write Image File to Disc"), to burn an ISO and make bootable media using a DVD. HTH, Paul Here you go: http://i67.tinypic.com/hv6sdj.jpg http://i63.tinypic.com/10h3yuv.jpg I noticed that on the 780 Tinypics didn't give me the allow pop-up it normally does and several times when I pressed upload nothing happened and had to click the Tinypic link to restart it. I wonder if I messed up the 780 by getting the latest version of FF? Maybe we can look at the 780 after this and is if its OK? Robert |
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Robert in CA wrote:
On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 10:46:29 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote: Robert in CA wrote: On Thursday, July 4, 2019 at 7:24:08 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote: Robert in CA wrote: Just re-reading some of your earlier posts,.. and there's allot to this,.we better start from the beginning on this and take it step by step. Robert Go here and get the "MediaCreationTool1903.exe". https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...load/windows10 There's a download button, to get the stub downloader that fetches the DVD for you. https://i.postimg.cc/B62cj5Sp/Media-Creation-Tool.gif It will likely want to run as Administrator. Since you have two machines to do, it's better to "create media for another computer" when asked. It will create an ISO file (worth keeping). It will also offer to burn the disc using the Windows IMAPI2 interface. It will offer that option only after the download is complete. It isn't as up-front about that as it could be. The burning would work if you have DVD+R or DVD-R without a problem. The Windows burner doesn't seem to know how to format the rewriteable media types, which is the only problem I've had with it. Once you have the media, then you have materials to work with. It might take an hour or two for the download, maybe 15 minutes for a burn and verify. Then on the XPS 8500, you can try entering the key when the installer prompts for it. ******* Both of your machines are Windows 7 SP1 Pro x64 as far as I know. Control Panels : System can help verify that. The download page will ask what you want, and you want an x64 disc. I don't think any 32 bit OSes are involved here. And when installing, if any selection is offered, you match the Pro part, if you have Pro or Professional. Win7 Home Premium = Win10 Home Win7 Professional = Win10 Pro Win7 Ultimate = Win10 Pro When running the DVD on the XPS 8500 with blank Spare drive inside, the installer will take care of the partitions. I usually use "Custom" when doing installs and select whatever I had in mind, but the automation in this case would be good enough. It should present the only disk in the computer (the blank one) as a target. It will summarize what it is about to do, before the actual install starts. Early on, it may prompt for a license key. That's your opportunity to enter one. The copy-files stage of the install could take an hour, while the multiple-reboots phase might take 15-20 minutes or so. The version of Windows 10 now, puts more time into the copy-files, and less time doing the install once all the files are on the hard drive. Note: You can prepare the DVD on either the 8500 or 780, doesn't matter, because it doesn't know what your plan is when "making media for another computer". As long as the 780 and 8500 have a working DVD burner, either machine would do for that step. HTH, Paul I tried it on the 780: http://i65.tinypic.com/29zttud.jpg "Create install media" http://i67.tinypic.com/27yr2uo.jpg "Language" http://i64.tinypic.com/2pqlx0i.jpg damaged http://i66.tinypic.com/35jxc90.jpg damaged http://i64.tinypic.com/2a8g46t.jpg damaged http://i65.tinypic.com/9fqq3c.jpg damaged http://i65.tinypic.com/2d1wtj4.jpg damaged http://i65.tinypic.com/9au1ih.jpg damaged http://i68.tinypic.com/2prv1ab.jpg damaged At the end the tray opened and gave me the option to close or burn. So I closed the application and removed the DVD-R. So am I good to go? Robert I can only see the first two of your links. The other images claim the image has been removed ? If you got an ISO file, please give an indication of the file size in bytes. (Do "Properties" on the file in File Explorer.) This size is only a rough indicator, since the ISO file contains an install.esd, and the contents vary from one person to the next. I made up a filename for it, so the file name won't match the filename you used. I name them so I can keep track of them. Win10-64bit-mediacreation-1903-7OSes.iso 3,967,483,904 bytes You can use Imgburn, and the top left of the six buttons ("Write Image File to Disc"), to burn an ISO and make bootable media using a DVD. HTH, Paul Here you go: http://i67.tinypic.com/hv6sdj.jpg http://i63.tinypic.com/10h3yuv.jpg I noticed that on the 780 Tinypics didn't give me the allow pop-up it normally does and several times when I pressed upload nothing happened and had to click the Tinypic link to restart it. I wonder if I messed up the 780 by getting the latest version of FF? Maybe we can look at the 780 after this and is if its OK? Robert No, those didn't work either. Just tell me the file size, so we know roughly whether the 1903 x64 "windows.iso" file is OK. Paul |
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On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 11:24:14 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote: On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 10:46:29 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote: Robert in CA wrote: On Thursday, July 4, 2019 at 7:24:08 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote: Robert in CA wrote: Just re-reading some of your earlier posts,.. and there's allot to this,.we better start from the beginning on this and take it step by step. Robert Go here and get the "MediaCreationTool1903.exe". https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...load/windows10 There's a download button, to get the stub downloader that fetches the DVD for you. https://i.postimg.cc/B62cj5Sp/Media-Creation-Tool.gif It will likely want to run as Administrator. Since you have two machines to do, it's better to "create media for another computer" when asked. It will create an ISO file (worth keeping). It will also offer to burn the disc using the Windows IMAPI2 interface. It will offer that option only after the download is complete. It isn't as up-front about that as it could be. The burning would work if you have DVD+R or DVD-R without a problem. The Windows burner doesn't seem to know how to format the rewriteable media types, which is the only problem I've had with it. Once you have the media, then you have materials to work with. It might take an hour or two for the download, maybe 15 minutes for a burn and verify. Then on the XPS 8500, you can try entering the key when the installer prompts for it. ******* Both of your machines are Windows 7 SP1 Pro x64 as far as I know. Control Panels : System can help verify that. The download page will ask what you want, and you want an x64 disc. I don't think any 32 bit OSes are involved here. And when installing, if any selection is offered, you match the Pro part, if you have Pro or Professional. Win7 Home Premium = Win10 Home Win7 Professional = Win10 Pro Win7 Ultimate = Win10 Pro When running the DVD on the XPS 8500 with blank Spare drive inside, the installer will take care of the partitions. I usually use "Custom" when doing installs and select whatever I had in mind, but the automation in this case would be good enough. It should present the only disk in the computer (the blank one) as a target. It will summarize what it is about to do, before the actual install starts. Early on, it may prompt for a license key. That's your opportunity to enter one. The copy-files stage of the install could take an hour, while the multiple-reboots phase might take 15-20 minutes or so. The version of Windows 10 now, puts more time into the copy-files, and less time doing the install once all the files are on the hard drive. Note: You can prepare the DVD on either the 8500 or 780, doesn't matter, because it doesn't know what your plan is when "making media for another computer". As long as the 780 and 8500 have a working DVD burner, either machine would do for that step. HTH, Paul I tried it on the 780: http://i65.tinypic.com/29zttud.jpg "Create install media" http://i67.tinypic.com/27yr2uo.jpg "Language" http://i64.tinypic.com/2pqlx0i.jpg damaged http://i66.tinypic.com/35jxc90.jpg damaged http://i64.tinypic.com/2a8g46t.jpg damaged http://i65.tinypic.com/9fqq3c.jpg damaged http://i65.tinypic.com/2d1wtj4.jpg damaged http://i65.tinypic.com/9au1ih.jpg damaged http://i68.tinypic.com/2prv1ab.jpg damaged At the end the tray opened and gave me the option to close or burn. So I closed the application and removed the DVD-R. So am I good to go? Robert I can only see the first two of your links. The other images claim the image has been removed ? If you got an ISO file, please give an indication of the file size in bytes. (Do "Properties" on the file in File Explorer.) This size is only a rough indicator, since the ISO file contains an install.esd, and the contents vary from one person to the next. I made up a filename for it, so the file name won't match the filename you used. I name them so I can keep track of them. Win10-64bit-mediacreation-1903-7OSes.iso 3,967,483,904 bytes You can use Imgburn, and the top left of the six buttons ("Write Image File to Disc"), to burn an ISO and make bootable media using a DVD. HTH, Paul Here you go: http://i67.tinypic.com/hv6sdj.jpg http://i63.tinypic.com/10h3yuv.jpg I noticed that on the 780 Tinypics didn't give me the allow pop-up it normally does and several times when I pressed upload nothing happened and had to click the Tinypic link to restart it. I wonder if I messed up the 780 by getting the latest version of FF? Maybe we can look at the 780 after this and is if its OK? Robert No, those didn't work either. Just tell me the file size, so we know roughly whether the 1903 x64 "windows.iso" file is OK. Paul I don't understand why Tinypic isn't working? Here's from PostImage. They also had issues and I had to re-try several times. Whats going on ? https://i.postimg.cc/rKbrqs3L/9-chec...ation-tool.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/CRz9fPcq/9a-che...ation-tool.jpg Used space: 4,193,091,584 bytes 3.90GB free space: 512,983,040 bytes 489MB Robert |
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Robert in CA wrote:
On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 11:24:14 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote: Robert in CA wrote: On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 10:46:29 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote: Robert in CA wrote: On Thursday, July 4, 2019 at 7:24:08 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote: Robert in CA wrote: Just re-reading some of your earlier posts,.. and there's allot to this,.we better start from the beginning on this and take it step by step. Robert Go here and get the "MediaCreationTool1903.exe". https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...load/windows10 There's a download button, to get the stub downloader that fetches the DVD for you. https://i.postimg.cc/B62cj5Sp/Media-Creation-Tool.gif It will likely want to run as Administrator. Since you have two machines to do, it's better to "create media for another computer" when asked. It will create an ISO file (worth keeping). It will also offer to burn the disc using the Windows IMAPI2 interface. It will offer that option only after the download is complete. It isn't as up-front about that as it could be. The burning would work if you have DVD+R or DVD-R without a problem. The Windows burner doesn't seem to know how to format the rewriteable media types, which is the only problem I've had with it. Once you have the media, then you have materials to work with. It might take an hour or two for the download, maybe 15 minutes for a burn and verify. Then on the XPS 8500, you can try entering the key when the installer prompts for it. ******* Both of your machines are Windows 7 SP1 Pro x64 as far as I know. Control Panels : System can help verify that. The download page will ask what you want, and you want an x64 disc. I don't think any 32 bit OSes are involved here. And when installing, if any selection is offered, you match the Pro part, if you have Pro or Professional. Win7 Home Premium = Win10 Home Win7 Professional = Win10 Pro Win7 Ultimate = Win10 Pro When running the DVD on the XPS 8500 with blank Spare drive inside, the installer will take care of the partitions. I usually use "Custom" when doing installs and select whatever I had in mind, but the automation in this case would be good enough. It should present the only disk in the computer (the blank one) as a target. It will summarize what it is about to do, before the actual install starts. Early on, it may prompt for a license key. That's your opportunity to enter one. The copy-files stage of the install could take an hour, while the multiple-reboots phase might take 15-20 minutes or so. The version of Windows 10 now, puts more time into the copy-files, and less time doing the install once all the files are on the hard drive. Note: You can prepare the DVD on either the 8500 or 780, doesn't matter, because it doesn't know what your plan is when "making media for another computer". As long as the 780 and 8500 have a working DVD burner, either machine would do for that step. HTH, Paul I tried it on the 780: http://i65.tinypic.com/29zttud.jpg "Create install media" http://i67.tinypic.com/27yr2uo.jpg "Language" http://i64.tinypic.com/2pqlx0i.jpg damaged http://i66.tinypic.com/35jxc90.jpg damaged http://i64.tinypic.com/2a8g46t.jpg damaged http://i65.tinypic.com/9fqq3c.jpg damaged http://i65.tinypic.com/2d1wtj4.jpg damaged http://i65.tinypic.com/9au1ih.jpg damaged http://i68.tinypic.com/2prv1ab.jpg damaged At the end the tray opened and gave me the option to close or burn. So I closed the application and removed the DVD-R. So am I good to go? Robert I can only see the first two of your links. The other images claim the image has been removed ? If you got an ISO file, please give an indication of the file size in bytes. (Do "Properties" on the file in File Explorer.) This size is only a rough indicator, since the ISO file contains an install.esd, and the contents vary from one person to the next. I made up a filename for it, so the file name won't match the filename you used. I name them so I can keep track of them. Win10-64bit-mediacreation-1903-7OSes.iso 3,967,483,904 bytes You can use Imgburn, and the top left of the six buttons ("Write Image File to Disc"), to burn an ISO and make bootable media using a DVD. HTH, Paul Here you go: http://i67.tinypic.com/hv6sdj.jpg http://i63.tinypic.com/10h3yuv.jpg I noticed that on the 780 Tinypics didn't give me the allow pop-up it normally does and several times when I pressed upload nothing happened and had to click the Tinypic link to restart it. I wonder if I messed up the 780 by getting the latest version of FF? Maybe we can look at the 780 after this and is if its OK? Robert No, those didn't work either. Just tell me the file size, so we know roughly whether the 1903 x64 "windows.iso" file is OK. Paul I don't understand why Tinypic isn't working? Here's from PostImage. They also had issues and I had to re-try several times. Whats going on ? https://i.postimg.cc/rKbrqs3L/9-chec...ation-tool.jpg "Don't do that!" You could stop it. https://i.postimg.cc/CRz9fPcq/9a-che...ation-tool.jpg Used space: 4,193,091,584 bytes 3.90GB free space: 512,983,040 bytes 489MB Robert I can at least see the pictures. If you run the Setup.exe like that, it will do Win10-over-Win7. It's OK to do that, if you clone Win7 from the original hard drive, to the Spare hard drive, then boot the Spare hard drive, then run the Setup.exe from the DVD. Otherwise, running that Setup.exe could upset a "Good" hard drive in the computer you're testing that on. For at least one of the install attempts, I wanted to try a Clean Install, by booting the DVD while the empty Spare HDD is in the computer receiving the OS. ******* The size of the downloaded Windows.iso file (or similar name) is what I was looking for. When you do the size the way you did, it might take into account the details of the overlay filesystem inside the DVD contents. (A different value.) There's no point comparing SHA1 or SHA256 checksums of your and my disc, because the MediaCreationTool ISO files are all different. But at least the size should be the same, within a few bytes. (The ISO should at least be rounded to a multiple of 2048 bytes.) Paul |
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On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 12:16:19 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote: On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 11:24:14 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote: Robert in CA wrote: On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 10:46:29 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote: Robert in CA wrote: On Thursday, July 4, 2019 at 7:24:08 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote: Robert in CA wrote: Just re-reading some of your earlier posts,.. and there's allot to this,.we better start from the beginning on this and take it step by step. Robert Go here and get the "MediaCreationTool1903.exe". https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...load/windows10 There's a download button, to get the stub downloader that fetches the DVD for you. https://i.postimg.cc/B62cj5Sp/Media-Creation-Tool.gif It will likely want to run as Administrator. Since you have two machines to do, it's better to "create media for another computer" when asked. It will create an ISO file (worth keeping). It will also offer to burn the disc using the Windows IMAPI2 interface. It will offer that option only after the download is complete. It isn't as up-front about that as it could be. The burning would work if you have DVD+R or DVD-R without a problem. The Windows burner doesn't seem to know how to format the rewriteable media types, which is the only problem I've had with it. Once you have the media, then you have materials to work with. It might take an hour or two for the download, maybe 15 minutes for a burn and verify. Then on the XPS 8500, you can try entering the key when the installer prompts for it. ******* Both of your machines are Windows 7 SP1 Pro x64 as far as I know. Control Panels : System can help verify that. The download page will ask what you want, and you want an x64 disc. I don't think any 32 bit OSes are involved here. And when installing, if any selection is offered, you match the Pro part, if you have Pro or Professional. Win7 Home Premium = Win10 Home Win7 Professional = Win10 Pro Win7 Ultimate = Win10 Pro When running the DVD on the XPS 8500 with blank Spare drive inside, the installer will take care of the partitions. I usually use "Custom" when doing installs and select whatever I had in mind, but the automation in this case would be good enough. It should present the only disk in the computer (the blank one) as a target. It will summarize what it is about to do, before the actual install starts. Early on, it may prompt for a license key. That's your opportunity to enter one. The copy-files stage of the install could take an hour, while the multiple-reboots phase might take 15-20 minutes or so. The version of Windows 10 now, puts more time into the copy-files, and less time doing the install once all the files are on the hard drive. Note: You can prepare the DVD on either the 8500 or 780, doesn't matter, because it doesn't know what your plan is when "making media for another computer". As long as the 780 and 8500 have a working DVD burner, either machine would do for that step. HTH, Paul I tried it on the 780: http://i65.tinypic.com/29zttud.jpg "Create install media" http://i67.tinypic.com/27yr2uo.jpg "Language" http://i64.tinypic.com/2pqlx0i.jpg damaged http://i66.tinypic.com/35jxc90.jpg damaged http://i64.tinypic.com/2a8g46t.jpg damaged http://i65.tinypic.com/9fqq3c.jpg damaged http://i65.tinypic.com/2d1wtj4.jpg damaged http://i65.tinypic.com/9au1ih.jpg damaged http://i68.tinypic.com/2prv1ab.jpg damaged At the end the tray opened and gave me the option to close or burn. So I closed the application and removed the DVD-R. So am I good to go? Robert I can only see the first two of your links. The other images claim the image has been removed ? If you got an ISO file, please give an indication of the file size in bytes. (Do "Properties" on the file in File Explorer.) This size is only a rough indicator, since the ISO file contains an install.esd, and the contents vary from one person to the next. I made up a filename for it, so the file name won't match the filename you used. I name them so I can keep track of them. Win10-64bit-mediacreation-1903-7OSes.iso 3,967,483,904 bytes You can use Imgburn, and the top left of the six buttons ("Write Image File to Disc"), to burn an ISO and make bootable media using a DVD. HTH, Paul Here you go: http://i67.tinypic.com/hv6sdj.jpg http://i63.tinypic.com/10h3yuv.jpg I noticed that on the 780 Tinypics didn't give me the allow pop-up it normally does and several times when I pressed upload nothing happened and had to click the Tinypic link to restart it. I wonder if I messed up the 780 by getting the latest version of FF? Maybe we can look at the 780 after this and is if its OK? Robert No, those didn't work either. Just tell me the file size, so we know roughly whether the 1903 x64 "windows.iso" file is OK. Paul I don't understand why Tinypic isn't working? Here's from PostImage. They also had issues and I had to re-try several times. Whats going on ? https://i.postimg.cc/rKbrqs3L/9-chec...ation-tool.jpg "Don't do that!" You could stop it. https://i.postimg.cc/CRz9fPcq/9a-che...ation-tool.jpg Used space: 4,193,091,584 bytes 3.90GB free space: 512,983,040 bytes 489MB Robert I can at least see the pictures. If you run the Setup.exe like that, it will do Win10-over-Win7. It's OK to do that, if you clone Win7 from the original hard drive, to the Spare hard drive, then boot the Spare hard drive, then run the Setup.exe from the DVD. Otherwise, running that Setup.exe could upset a "Good" hard drive in the computer you're testing that on. For at least one of the install attempts, I wanted to try a Clean Install, by booting the DVD while the empty Spare HDD is in the computer receiving the OS. ******* The size of the downloaded Windows.iso file (or similar name) is what I was looking for. When you do the size the way you did, it might take into account the details of the overlay filesystem inside the DVD contents. (A different value.) There's no point comparing SHA1 or SHA256 checksums of your and my disc, because the MediaCreationTool ISO files are all different. But at least the size should be the same, within a few bytes. (The ISO should at least be rounded to a multiple of 2048 bytes.) Paul So should I proceed to disconnect and/or remove the main HD and install the spare HD and boot with the DVD-R? Then what happens after I boot? After I'm finished do I format the HD or leave Win10 on it? Then put my main HD back in and remove the blank(Win10) HD, correct? Robert |
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Robert in CA wrote:
On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 12:16:19 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote: Robert in CA wrote: On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 11:24:14 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote: Robert in CA wrote: On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 10:46:29 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote: Robert in CA wrote: On Thursday, July 4, 2019 at 7:24:08 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote: Robert in CA wrote: Just re-reading some of your earlier posts,.. and there's allot to this,.we better start from the beginning on this and take it step by step. Robert Go here and get the "MediaCreationTool1903.exe". https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...load/windows10 There's a download button, to get the stub downloader that fetches the DVD for you. https://i.postimg.cc/B62cj5Sp/Media-Creation-Tool.gif It will likely want to run as Administrator. Since you have two machines to do, it's better to "create media for another computer" when asked. It will create an ISO file (worth keeping). It will also offer to burn the disc using the Windows IMAPI2 interface. It will offer that option only after the download is complete. It isn't as up-front about that as it could be. The burning would work if you have DVD+R or DVD-R without a problem. The Windows burner doesn't seem to know how to format the rewriteable media types, which is the only problem I've had with it. Once you have the media, then you have materials to work with. It might take an hour or two for the download, maybe 15 minutes for a burn and verify. Then on the XPS 8500, you can try entering the key when the installer prompts for it. ******* Both of your machines are Windows 7 SP1 Pro x64 as far as I know. Control Panels : System can help verify that. The download page will ask what you want, and you want an x64 disc. I don't think any 32 bit OSes are involved here. And when installing, if any selection is offered, you match the Pro part, if you have Pro or Professional. Win7 Home Premium = Win10 Home Win7 Professional = Win10 Pro Win7 Ultimate = Win10 Pro When running the DVD on the XPS 8500 with blank Spare drive inside, the installer will take care of the partitions. I usually use "Custom" when doing installs and select whatever I had in mind, but the automation in this case would be good enough. It should present the only disk in the computer (the blank one) as a target. It will summarize what it is about to do, before the actual install starts. Early on, it may prompt for a license key. That's your opportunity to enter one. The copy-files stage of the install could take an hour, while the multiple-reboots phase might take 15-20 minutes or so. The version of Windows 10 now, puts more time into the copy-files, and less time doing the install once all the files are on the hard drive. Note: You can prepare the DVD on either the 8500 or 780, doesn't matter, because it doesn't know what your plan is when "making media for another computer". As long as the 780 and 8500 have a working DVD burner, either machine would do for that step. HTH, Paul I tried it on the 780: http://i65.tinypic.com/29zttud.jpg "Create install media" http://i67.tinypic.com/27yr2uo.jpg "Language" http://i64.tinypic.com/2pqlx0i.jpg damaged http://i66.tinypic.com/35jxc90.jpg damaged http://i64.tinypic.com/2a8g46t.jpg damaged http://i65.tinypic.com/9fqq3c.jpg damaged http://i65.tinypic.com/2d1wtj4.jpg damaged http://i65.tinypic.com/9au1ih.jpg damaged http://i68.tinypic.com/2prv1ab.jpg damaged At the end the tray opened and gave me the option to close or burn. So I closed the application and removed the DVD-R. So am I good to go? Robert I can only see the first two of your links. The other images claim the image has been removed ? If you got an ISO file, please give an indication of the file size in bytes. (Do "Properties" on the file in File Explorer.) This size is only a rough indicator, since the ISO file contains an install.esd, and the contents vary from one person to the next. I made up a filename for it, so the file name won't match the filename you used. I name them so I can keep track of them. Win10-64bit-mediacreation-1903-7OSes.iso 3,967,483,904 bytes You can use Imgburn, and the top left of the six buttons ("Write Image File to Disc"), to burn an ISO and make bootable media using a DVD. HTH, Paul Here you go: http://i67.tinypic.com/hv6sdj.jpg http://i63.tinypic.com/10h3yuv.jpg I noticed that on the 780 Tinypics didn't give me the allow pop-up it normally does and several times when I pressed upload nothing happened and had to click the Tinypic link to restart it. I wonder if I messed up the 780 by getting the latest version of FF? Maybe we can look at the 780 after this and is if its OK? Robert No, those didn't work either. Just tell me the file size, so we know roughly whether the 1903 x64 "windows.iso" file is OK. Paul I don't understand why Tinypic isn't working? Here's from PostImage. They also had issues and I had to re-try several times. Whats going on ? https://i.postimg.cc/rKbrqs3L/9-chec...ation-tool.jpg "Don't do that!" You could stop it. https://i.postimg.cc/CRz9fPcq/9a-che...ation-tool.jpg Used space: 4,193,091,584 bytes 3.90GB free space: 512,983,040 bytes 489MB Robert I can at least see the pictures. If you run the Setup.exe like that, it will do Win10-over-Win7. It's OK to do that, if you clone Win7 from the original hard drive, to the Spare hard drive, then boot the Spare hard drive, then run the Setup.exe from the DVD. Otherwise, running that Setup.exe could upset a "Good" hard drive in the computer you're testing that on. For at least one of the install attempts, I wanted to try a Clean Install, by booting the DVD while the empty Spare HDD is in the computer receiving the OS. ******* The size of the downloaded Windows.iso file (or similar name) is what I was looking for. When you do the size the way you did, it might take into account the details of the overlay filesystem inside the DVD contents. (A different value.) There's no point comparing SHA1 or SHA256 checksums of your and my disc, because the MediaCreationTool ISO files are all different. But at least the size should be the same, within a few bytes. (The ISO should at least be rounded to a multiple of 2048 bytes.) Paul So should I proceed to disconnect and/or remove the main HD and install the spare HD and boot with the DVD-R? Then what happens after I boot? After I'm finished do I format the HD or leave Win10 on it? Then put my main HD back in and remove the blank(Win10) HD, correct? Robert You're going to boot the DVD and install Windows 10 on the Spare drive. Then check to see that it is activated. https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/...dows-10-a.html If you: right-click Start Orb : Run : "control" will start the Control Panels window in Windows 10, if the tutorial doesn't work. When you install Windows 10, it should match the "SKU" of the Windows 7 key on that machine. If the XPS 8500 is running Windows 7 SP1 Pro x64, you install Windows 10 Pro (32 bit or 64 bit, doesn't matter on a Clean Install). I'm trying to keep this first one simple, by starting with the empty Spare drive, and having you enter the key off the COA sticker. If the install does not work out, you clone over (or even restore from backup), an image you normally use on Windows 7, boot that Windows 7 image on the spare drive, and just run Setup.exe off the DVD. That's a Win10-over-Win7 install which you would not be keeping, and you'd check for Activation when finished. Paul |
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On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 6:26:08 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote: On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 12:16:19 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote: Robert in CA wrote: On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 11:24:14 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote: Robert in CA wrote: On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 10:46:29 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote: Robert in CA wrote: On Thursday, July 4, 2019 at 7:24:08 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote: Robert in CA wrote: Just re-reading some of your earlier posts,.. and there's allot to this,.we better start from the beginning on this and take it step by step. Robert Go here and get the "MediaCreationTool1903.exe". https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...load/windows10 There's a download button, to get the stub downloader that fetches the DVD for you. https://i.postimg.cc/B62cj5Sp/Media-Creation-Tool.gif It will likely want to run as Administrator. Since you have two machines to do, it's better to "create media for another computer" when asked. It will create an ISO file (worth keeping). It will also offer to burn the disc using the Windows IMAPI2 interface. It will offer that option only after the download is complete. It isn't as up-front about that as it could be. The burning would work if you have DVD+R or DVD-R without a problem. The Windows burner doesn't seem to know how to format the rewriteable media types, which is the only problem I've had with it. Once you have the media, then you have materials to work with. It might take an hour or two for the download, maybe 15 minutes for a burn and verify. Then on the XPS 8500, you can try entering the key when the installer prompts for it. ******* Both of your machines are Windows 7 SP1 Pro x64 as far as I know. Control Panels : System can help verify that. The download page will ask what you want, and you want an x64 disc. I don't think any 32 bit OSes are involved here. And when installing, if any selection is offered, you match the Pro part, if you have Pro or Professional. Win7 Home Premium = Win10 Home Win7 Professional = Win10 Pro Win7 Ultimate = Win10 Pro When running the DVD on the XPS 8500 with blank Spare drive inside, the installer will take care of the partitions. I usually use "Custom" when doing installs and select whatever I had in mind, but the automation in this case would be good enough. It should present the only disk in the computer (the blank one) as a target. It will summarize what it is about to do, before the actual install starts. Early on, it may prompt for a license key. That's your opportunity to enter one. The copy-files stage of the install could take an hour, while the multiple-reboots phase might take 15-20 minutes or so. The version of Windows 10 now, puts more time into the copy-files, and less time doing the install once all the files are on the hard drive. Note: You can prepare the DVD on either the 8500 or 780, doesn't matter, because it doesn't know what your plan is when "making media for another computer". As long as the 780 and 8500 have a working DVD burner, either machine would do for that step. HTH, Paul I tried it on the 780: http://i65.tinypic.com/29zttud.jpg "Create install media" http://i67.tinypic.com/27yr2uo.jpg "Language" http://i64.tinypic.com/2pqlx0i.jpg damaged http://i66.tinypic.com/35jxc90.jpg damaged http://i64.tinypic.com/2a8g46t.jpg damaged http://i65.tinypic.com/9fqq3c.jpg damaged http://i65.tinypic.com/2d1wtj4.jpg damaged http://i65.tinypic.com/9au1ih.jpg damaged http://i68.tinypic.com/2prv1ab.jpg damaged At the end the tray opened and gave me the option to close or burn. So I closed the application and removed the DVD-R. So am I good to go? Robert I can only see the first two of your links. The other images claim the image has been removed ? If you got an ISO file, please give an indication of the file size in bytes. (Do "Properties" on the file in File Explorer.) This size is only a rough indicator, since the ISO file contains an install.esd, and the contents vary from one person to the next. I made up a filename for it, so the file name won't match the filename you used. I name them so I can keep track of them. Win10-64bit-mediacreation-1903-7OSes.iso 3,967,483,904 bytes You can use Imgburn, and the top left of the six buttons ("Write Image File to Disc"), to burn an ISO and make bootable media using a DVD. HTH, Paul Here you go: http://i67.tinypic.com/hv6sdj.jpg http://i63.tinypic.com/10h3yuv.jpg I noticed that on the 780 Tinypics didn't give me the allow pop-up it normally does and several times when I pressed upload nothing happened and had to click the Tinypic link to restart it. I wonder if I messed up the 780 by getting the latest version of FF? Maybe we can look at the 780 after this and is if its OK? Robert No, those didn't work either. Just tell me the file size, so we know roughly whether the 1903 x64 "windows.iso" file is OK. Paul I don't understand why Tinypic isn't working? Here's from PostImage. They also had issues and I had to re-try several times. Whats going on ? https://i.postimg.cc/rKbrqs3L/9-chec...ation-tool.jpg "Don't do that!" You could stop it. https://i.postimg.cc/CRz9fPcq/9a-che...ation-tool.jpg Used space: 4,193,091,584 bytes 3.90GB free space: 512,983,040 bytes 489MB Robert I can at least see the pictures. If you run the Setup.exe like that, it will do Win10-over-Win7. It's OK to do that, if you clone Win7 from the original hard drive, to the Spare hard drive, then boot the Spare hard drive, then run the Setup.exe from the DVD. Otherwise, running that Setup.exe could upset a "Good" hard drive in the computer you're testing that on. For at least one of the install attempts, I wanted to try a Clean Install, by booting the DVD while the empty Spare HDD is in the computer receiving the OS. ******* The size of the downloaded Windows.iso file (or similar name) is what I was looking for. When you do the size the way you did, it might take into account the details of the overlay filesystem inside the DVD contents. (A different value.) There's no point comparing SHA1 or SHA256 checksums of your and my disc, because the MediaCreationTool ISO files are all different. But at least the size should be the same, within a few bytes. (The ISO should at least be rounded to a multiple of 2048 bytes.) Paul So should I proceed to disconnect and/or remove the main HD and install the spare HD and boot with the DVD-R? Then what happens after I boot? After I'm finished do I format the HD or leave Win10 on it? Then put my main HD back in and remove the blank(Win10) HD, correct? Robert You're going to boot the DVD and install Windows 10 on the Spare drive. Then check to see that it is activated. https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/...dows-10-a.html If you: right-click Start Orb : Run : "control" will start the Control Panels window in Windows 10, if the tutorial doesn't work. When you install Windows 10, it should match the "SKU" of the Windows 7 key on that machine. If the XPS 8500 is running Windows 7 SP1 Pro x64, you install Windows 10 Pro (32 bit or 64 bit, doesn't matter on a Clean Install). I'm trying to keep this first one simple, by starting with the empty Spare drive, and having you enter the key off the COA sticker. If the install does not work out, you clone over (or even restore from backup), an image you normally use on Windows 7, boot that Windows 7 image on the spare drive, and just run Setup.exe off the DVD. That's a Win10-over-Win7 install which you would not be keeping, and you'd check for Activation when finished. Paul I've installed the blank drive in the 8500 and started the DVD-R but took awhile before it started and the computer recognized it. It wouldn't let me upgrade so I am doing a custom install. It says its getting the files ready for installation but have not seen ant Win 10 Pro selections as yet. Also am unsure of your instructions to check it works. When I right click the Start button I get properties and open Windows Explorer. It just restarted the 8500 and is just hanging Now it says getting devices ready. Robert |
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On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 7:21:35 PM UTC-7, Robert in CA wrote:
On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 6:26:08 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote: Robert in CA wrote: On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 12:16:19 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote: Robert in CA wrote: On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 11:24:14 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote: Robert in CA wrote: On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 10:46:29 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote: Robert in CA wrote: On Thursday, July 4, 2019 at 7:24:08 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote: Robert in CA wrote: Just re-reading some of your earlier posts,.. and there's allot to this,.we better start from the beginning on this and take it step by step. Robert Go here and get the "MediaCreationTool1903.exe". https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...load/windows10 There's a download button, to get the stub downloader that fetches the DVD for you. https://i.postimg.cc/B62cj5Sp/Media-Creation-Tool.gif It will likely want to run as Administrator. Since you have two machines to do, it's better to "create media for another computer" when asked. It will create an ISO file (worth keeping). It will also offer to burn the disc using the Windows IMAPI2 interface. It will offer that option only after the download is complete. It isn't as up-front about that as it could be. The burning would work if you have DVD+R or DVD-R without a problem. The Windows burner doesn't seem to know how to format the rewriteable media types, which is the only problem I've had with it. Once you have the media, then you have materials to work with. It might take an hour or two for the download, maybe 15 minutes for a burn and verify. Then on the XPS 8500, you can try entering the key when the installer prompts for it. ******* Both of your machines are Windows 7 SP1 Pro x64 as far as I know. Control Panels : System can help verify that. The download page will ask what you want, and you want an x64 disc. I don't think any 32 bit OSes are involved here. And when installing, if any selection is offered, you match the Pro part, if you have Pro or Professional. Win7 Home Premium = Win10 Home Win7 Professional = Win10 Pro Win7 Ultimate = Win10 Pro When running the DVD on the XPS 8500 with blank Spare drive inside, the installer will take care of the partitions. I usually use "Custom" when doing installs and select whatever I had in mind, but the automation in this case would be good enough. It should present the only disk in the computer (the blank one) as a target. It will summarize what it is about to do, before the actual install starts. Early on, it may prompt for a license key. That's your opportunity to enter one. The copy-files stage of the install could take an hour, while the multiple-reboots phase might take 15-20 minutes or so. The version of Windows 10 now, puts more time into the copy-files, and less time doing the install once all the files are on the hard drive. Note: You can prepare the DVD on either the 8500 or 780, doesn't matter, because it doesn't know what your plan is when "making media for another computer". As long as the 780 and 8500 have a working DVD burner, either machine would do for that step. HTH, Paul I tried it on the 780: http://i65.tinypic.com/29zttud.jpg "Create install media" http://i67.tinypic.com/27yr2uo.jpg "Language" http://i64.tinypic.com/2pqlx0i.jpg damaged http://i66.tinypic.com/35jxc90.jpg damaged http://i64.tinypic.com/2a8g46t.jpg damaged http://i65.tinypic.com/9fqq3c.jpg damaged http://i65.tinypic.com/2d1wtj4.jpg damaged http://i65.tinypic.com/9au1ih.jpg damaged http://i68.tinypic.com/2prv1ab.jpg damaged At the end the tray opened and gave me the option to close or burn. So I closed the application and removed the DVD-R. So am I good to go? Robert I can only see the first two of your links. The other images claim the image has been removed ? If you got an ISO file, please give an indication of the file size in bytes. (Do "Properties" on the file in File Explorer.) This size is only a rough indicator, since the ISO file contains an install.esd, and the contents vary from one person to the next. I made up a filename for it, so the file name won't match the filename you used. I name them so I can keep track of them. Win10-64bit-mediacreation-1903-7OSes.iso 3,967,483,904 bytes You can use Imgburn, and the top left of the six buttons ("Write Image File to Disc"), to burn an ISO and make bootable media using a DVD. HTH, Paul Here you go: http://i67.tinypic.com/hv6sdj.jpg http://i63.tinypic.com/10h3yuv.jpg I noticed that on the 780 Tinypics didn't give me the allow pop-up it normally does and several times when I pressed upload nothing happened and had to click the Tinypic link to restart it. I wonder if I messed up the 780 by getting the latest version of FF? Maybe we can look at the 780 after this and is if its OK? Robert No, those didn't work either. Just tell me the file size, so we know roughly whether the 1903 x64 "windows.iso" file is OK. Paul I don't understand why Tinypic isn't working? Here's from PostImage. They also had issues and I had to re-try several times. Whats going on ? https://i.postimg.cc/rKbrqs3L/9-chec...ation-tool.jpg "Don't do that!" You could stop it. https://i.postimg.cc/CRz9fPcq/9a-che...ation-tool.jpg Used space: 4,193,091,584 bytes 3.90GB free space: 512,983,040 bytes 489MB Robert I can at least see the pictures. If you run the Setup.exe like that, it will do Win10-over-Win7. It's OK to do that, if you clone Win7 from the original hard drive, to the Spare hard drive, then boot the Spare hard drive, then run the Setup.exe from the DVD. Otherwise, running that Setup.exe could upset a "Good" hard drive in the computer you're testing that on. For at least one of the install attempts, I wanted to try a Clean Install, by booting the DVD while the empty Spare HDD is in the computer receiving the OS. ******* The size of the downloaded Windows.iso file (or similar name) is what I was looking for. When you do the size the way you did, it might take into account the details of the overlay filesystem inside the DVD contents. (A different value.) There's no point comparing SHA1 or SHA256 checksums of your and my disc, because the MediaCreationTool ISO files are all different. But at least the size should be the same, within a few bytes. (The ISO should at least be rounded to a multiple of 2048 bytes.) Paul So should I proceed to disconnect and/or remove the main HD and install the spare HD and boot with the DVD-R? Then what happens after I boot? After I'm finished do I format the HD or leave Win10 on it? Then put my main HD back in and remove the blank(Win10) HD, correct? Robert You're going to boot the DVD and install Windows 10 on the Spare drive. Then check to see that it is activated. https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/...dows-10-a.html If you: right-click Start Orb : Run : "control" will start the Control Panels window in Windows 10, if the tutorial doesn't work. When you install Windows 10, it should match the "SKU" of the Windows 7 key on that machine. If the XPS 8500 is running Windows 7 SP1 Pro x64, you install Windows 10 Pro (32 bit or 64 bit, doesn't matter on a Clean Install). I'm trying to keep this first one simple, by starting with the empty Spare drive, and having you enter the key off the COA sticker. If the install does not work out, you clone over (or even restore from backup), an image you normally use on Windows 7, boot that Windows 7 image on the spare drive, and just run Setup.exe off the DVD. That's a Win10-over-Win7 install which you would not be keeping, and you'd check for Activation when finished. Paul I've installed the blank drive in the 8500 and started the DVD-R but took awhile before it started and the computer recognized it. It wouldn't let me upgrade so I am doing a custom install. It says its getting the files ready for installation but have not seen ant Win 10 Pro selections as yet. Also am unsure of your instructions to check it works. When I right click the Start button I get properties and open Windows Explorer. It just restarted the 8500 and is just hanging Now it says getting devices ready. Robert It's now setting up and asking me all sorts of questions,, asked if I wanted Cortana? I declined because I had no idea what it was. Now I'm at a screen Welcome to Windows where its giving me options to get apps verified by Microsoft and below that is make things on your screen larger. Are you kidding me I have to download everything I want from this point? Behind on the desktop is the recycle bin and Microsoft Edge icon whatever that is? I don't like this at all. I typed runControl and I got the control panel if I simply click on the start icon (looks like a blank Microsoft flag logo I get things listed alphbetically and a bunch of picture frame window apps. I don't like this at all. Well it looks like its installed with zero applications. I cannot believe I have to find all the applications myself! So every single website, webpage everything I have to add! Anyways I did it and it seemed to load but there's no way of checking it from your instructions. Robert |
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On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 6:26:08 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote: On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 12:16:19 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote: Robert in CA wrote: On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 11:24:14 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote: Robert in CA wrote: On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 10:46:29 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote: Robert in CA wrote: On Thursday, July 4, 2019 at 7:24:08 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote: Robert in CA wrote: Just re-reading some of your earlier posts,.. and there's allot to this,.we better start from the beginning on this and take it step by step. Robert Go here and get the "MediaCreationTool1903.exe". https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...load/windows10 There's a download button, to get the stub downloader that fetches the DVD for you. https://i.postimg.cc/B62cj5Sp/Media-Creation-Tool.gif It will likely want to run as Administrator. Since you have two machines to do, it's better to "create media for another computer" when asked. It will create an ISO file (worth keeping). It will also offer to burn the disc using the Windows IMAPI2 interface. It will offer that option only after the download is complete. It isn't as up-front about that as it could be. The burning would work if you have DVD+R or DVD-R without a problem. The Windows burner doesn't seem to know how to format the rewriteable media types, which is the only problem I've had with it. Once you have the media, then you have materials to work with. It might take an hour or two for the download, maybe 15 minutes for a burn and verify. Then on the XPS 8500, you can try entering the key when the installer prompts for it. ******* Both of your machines are Windows 7 SP1 Pro x64 as far as I know. Control Panels : System can help verify that. The download page will ask what you want, and you want an x64 disc. I don't think any 32 bit OSes are involved here. And when installing, if any selection is offered, you match the Pro part, if you have Pro or Professional. Win7 Home Premium = Win10 Home Win7 Professional = Win10 Pro Win7 Ultimate = Win10 Pro When running the DVD on the XPS 8500 with blank Spare drive inside, the installer will take care of the partitions. I usually use "Custom" when doing installs and select whatever I had in mind, but the automation in this case would be good enough. It should present the only disk in the computer (the blank one) as a target. It will summarize what it is about to do, before the actual install starts. Early on, it may prompt for a license key. That's your opportunity to enter one. The copy-files stage of the install could take an hour, while the multiple-reboots phase might take 15-20 minutes or so. The version of Windows 10 now, puts more time into the copy-files, and less time doing the install once all the files are on the hard drive. Note: You can prepare the DVD on either the 8500 or 780, doesn't matter, because it doesn't know what your plan is when "making media for another computer". As long as the 780 and 8500 have a working DVD burner, either machine would do for that step. HTH, Paul I tried it on the 780: http://i65.tinypic.com/29zttud.jpg "Create install media" http://i67.tinypic.com/27yr2uo.jpg "Language" http://i64.tinypic.com/2pqlx0i.jpg damaged http://i66.tinypic.com/35jxc90.jpg damaged http://i64.tinypic.com/2a8g46t.jpg damaged http://i65.tinypic.com/9fqq3c.jpg damaged http://i65.tinypic.com/2d1wtj4.jpg damaged http://i65.tinypic.com/9au1ih.jpg damaged http://i68.tinypic.com/2prv1ab.jpg damaged At the end the tray opened and gave me the option to close or burn. So I closed the application and removed the DVD-R. So am I good to go? Robert I can only see the first two of your links. The other images claim the image has been removed ? If you got an ISO file, please give an indication of the file size in bytes. (Do "Properties" on the file in File Explorer.) This size is only a rough indicator, since the ISO file contains an install.esd, and the contents vary from one person to the next. I made up a filename for it, so the file name won't match the filename you used. I name them so I can keep track of them. Win10-64bit-mediacreation-1903-7OSes.iso 3,967,483,904 bytes You can use Imgburn, and the top left of the six buttons ("Write Image File to Disc"), to burn an ISO and make bootable media using a DVD. HTH, Paul Here you go: http://i67.tinypic.com/hv6sdj.jpg http://i63.tinypic.com/10h3yuv.jpg I noticed that on the 780 Tinypics didn't give me the allow pop-up it normally does and several times when I pressed upload nothing happened and had to click the Tinypic link to restart it. I wonder if I messed up the 780 by getting the latest version of FF? Maybe we can look at the 780 after this and is if its OK? Robert No, those didn't work either. Just tell me the file size, so we know roughly whether the 1903 x64 "windows.iso" file is OK. Paul I don't understand why Tinypic isn't working? Here's from PostImage. They also had issues and I had to re-try several times. Whats going on ? https://i.postimg.cc/rKbrqs3L/9-chec...ation-tool.jpg "Don't do that!" You could stop it. https://i.postimg.cc/CRz9fPcq/9a-che...ation-tool.jpg Used space: 4,193,091,584 bytes 3.90GB free space: 512,983,040 bytes 489MB Robert I can at least see the pictures. If you run the Setup.exe like that, it will do Win10-over-Win7. It's OK to do that, if you clone Win7 from the original hard drive, to the Spare hard drive, then boot the Spare hard drive, then run the Setup.exe from the DVD. Otherwise, running that Setup.exe could upset a "Good" hard drive in the computer you're testing that on. For at least one of the install attempts, I wanted to try a Clean Install, by booting the DVD while the empty Spare HDD is in the computer receiving the OS. ******* The size of the downloaded Windows.iso file (or similar name) is what I was looking for. When you do the size the way you did, it might take into account the details of the overlay filesystem inside the DVD contents. (A different value.) There's no point comparing SHA1 or SHA256 checksums of your and my disc, because the MediaCreationTool ISO files are all different. But at least the size should be the same, within a few bytes. (The ISO should at least be rounded to a multiple of 2048 bytes.) Paul So should I proceed to disconnect and/or remove the main HD and install the spare HD and boot with the DVD-R? Then what happens after I boot? After I'm finished do I format the HD or leave Win10 on it? Then put my main HD back in and remove the blank(Win10) HD, correct? Robert You're going to boot the DVD and install Windows 10 on the Spare drive. Then check to see that it is activated. https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/...dows-10-a.html If you: right-click Start Orb : Run : "control" will start the Control Panels window in Windows 10, if the tutorial doesn't work. When you install Windows 10, it should match the "SKU" of the Windows 7 key on that machine. If the XPS 8500 is running Windows 7 SP1 Pro x64, you install Windows 10 Pro (32 bit or 64 bit, doesn't matter on a Clean Install). I'm trying to keep this first one simple, by starting with the empty Spare drive, and having you enter the key off the COA sticker. If the install does not work out, you clone over (or even restore from backup), an image you normally use on Windows 7, boot that Windows 7 image on the spare drive, and just run Setup.exe off the DVD. That's a Win10-over-Win7 install which you would not be keeping, and you'd check for Activation when finished. Paul I'm sending this to you from the 8500 Win10 HD Just so you know that it's operational but I have no idea how to proceed so I will be shutting it down and switching back to my Main HD. I wish Tinypic or Post Image worked otherwise I would take pictures to show you. Robert |
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