Fastboot

On my new Asus Z390 prime, should Fastboot be enabled or disabled?

Searching the net is no help, 50% say enable it and 50% say disable it
so I am asking here because I know I will get better results.

Thanks to all, Rene

On 2019-05-27, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On my new Asus Z390 prime, should Fastboot be enabled or disabled?

Searching the net is no help, 50% say enable it and 50% say disable it
so I am asking here because I know I will get better results.

Thanks to all, Rene

After reading Paul's info on the differences for using fastboot, I
disabled fastboot. Some months later, after various win10 upgrades,
my usb trackball started to be not recognized on startup until some
time after my fiddling with the on/off on the trackball & still no
dice. The usb trackball seemed to start working when win10 felt
like it.

I then re-enabled fast start. The usb trackball have now been
working like "normal" on win10 startup. But it might be how
the flakey people at microsoft designed/programmed the usb
drivers.

On 2019-05-26 7:46 p.m., lew wrote:
On 2019-05-27, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On my new Asus Z390 prime, should Fastboot be enabled or disabled?

Searching the net is no help, 50% say enable it and 50% say disable it
so I am asking here because I know I will get better results.

Thanks to all, Rene

After reading Paul's info on the differences for using fastboot, I
disabled fastboot. Some months later, after various win10 upgrades,
my usb trackball started to be not recognized on startup until some
time after my fiddling with the on/off on the trackball & still no
dice. The usb trackball seemed to start working when win10 felt
like it.

I then re-enabled fast start. The usb trackball have now been
working like "normal" on win10 startup. But it might be how
the flakey people at microsoft designed/programmed the usb
drivers.


Yes I remember reading Paul's post on the subject but can't remember the
outcome, And naturally I can't seem to locate now I need it.

Rene

Rene Lamontagne wrote:

On my new Asus Z390 prime, should Fastboot be enabled or disabled?

Searching the net is no help, 50% say enable it and 50% say disable it
so I am asking here because I know I will get better results.

Is being able to boot but interrupt the sequence to get into UEFI of
interest to you? With Fastboot enabled, you won't be able to hit Del or
F2 at the right time to go into the UEFI. Instead you'll need a program
that reboots into UEFI, but that means first loading Windows to then run
the program.

With my Asrock mobo, they provided a "Restart to UEFI" program to reboot
into the UEFI. I decided to skip Fastboot since my computer is new and
I might have to revisit the UEFI settings a few times. Also, if you
enable Secure Boot (which I have for now), that disables Fastboot.
Check the manual to make sure you can enable/disable Secure Boot and
what is the default. Some pre-builts have Secure Boot enabled and there
is no option to disable it, so you can't have Fastboot.

With an SSD, you might save all of 3-6 seconds off the boot time. For
me, it's not worth getting locked out of the UEFI setup for that little
bit of saved time, and I prefer to enter at the boot up rather than boot
completely into Windows to then use a program to reboot to finally get
into the UEFI. If you use an m.2 NVM3 SSD drive which is even faster
than an SSD attached to a SATA port, you save even less time with
Fastboot.

Since the ASUS Z390 Prime (looks similar to my Asrock Z390 Taichi) is a
mobo for a desktop build, why bother even shutting down the computer.
Configure the power options in Windows to make the computer go to sleep.
To restart using Windows, just tap any key on the keyboard to wake the
computer. You'll be back into Windows faster than any reboot sequence.
Just make sure to configure the monitor to go to sleep before the
timeout to make the computer go to sleep. I had set monitor sleep at
never figuring the computer sleep would override. Nope, with the
monitor set to never sleep, the computer wouldn't go to sleep.

Rene Lamontagne wrote:

On 2019-05-26 7:46 p.m., lew wrote:
On 2019-05-27, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On my new Asus Z390 prime, should Fastboot be enabled or disabled?

Searching the net is no help, 50% say enable it and 50% say disable it
so I am asking here because I know I will get better results.

Thanks to all, Rene

After reading Paul's info on the differences for using fastboot, I
disabled fastboot. Some months later, after various win10 upgrades,
my usb trackball started to be not recognized on startup until some
time after my fiddling with the on/off on the trackball & still no
dice. The usb trackball seemed to start working when win10 felt
like it.

I then re-enabled fast start. The usb trackball have now been
working like "normal" on win10 startup. But it might be how
the flakey people at microsoft designed/programmed the usb
drivers.


Yes I remember reading Paul's post on the subject but can't remember the
outcome, And naturally I can't seem to locate now I need it.

Rene

Just remember that Fastboot, or anything using hibernation mode, will do
some writes to the hibernation file (hiberfil.sys). If you are using an
SSD, that means more writes to the hibernation file. The more often
your computer hibernates, the more writes to the SSD which has a limited
lifetime. There's some debate over how much writing there is, but I
haven't seen anyone arguing that there is no writing to the hibernation
file. Since this is a desktop PC (because you mentioned the ASUS Z390
Prime motherboard), do you really need your PC to shutdown or might
sleep mode work even better for quickly getting back into Windows? How
much does electricity cost in your area?

In article , VanguardLH
wrote:


Just remember that Fastboot, or anything using hibernation mode, will do
some writes to the hibernation file (hiberfil.sys). If you are using an
SSD, that means more writes to the hibernation file. The more often
your computer hibernates, the more writes to the SSD which has a limited
lifetime.

negligible, not even worth worrying about.

a lot more i/o happens during a normal boot and significantly more
during actual use.

On Sun, 26 May 2019 22:06:21 -0400, nospam
wrote:

In article , VanguardLH
wrote:


Just remember that Fastboot, or anything using hibernation mode, will do
some writes to the hibernation file (hiberfil.sys). If you are using an
SSD, that means more writes to the hibernation file. The more often
your computer hibernates, the more writes to the SSD which has a limited
lifetime.

negligible, not even worth worrying about.

a lot more i/o happens during a normal boot and significantly more
during actual use.

I recently pointed out exactly the same thing, to the same person, but I
see that I failed to do any convincing. Good luck.

On 2019-05-26 8:53 p.m., VanguardLH wrote:
Rene Lamontagne wrote:

On my new Asus Z390 prime, should Fastboot be enabled or disabled?

Searching the net is no help, 50% say enable it and 50% say disable it
so I am asking here because I know I will get better results.

Is being able to boot but interrupt the sequence to get into UEFI of
interest to you? With Fastboot enabled, you won't be able to hit Del or
F2 at the right time to go into the UEFI. Instead you'll need a program
that reboots into UEFI, but that means first loading Windows to then run
the program.


On the Asus z390 Prime MB and on my previous Asus MB you do not have to
hit the delete key at the proper time, Just hold it down at boot startup
and it will jump into the UEFI bios at the proper time, No need for a
3rd party program for this.

With my Asrock mobo, they provided a "Restart to UEFI" program to reboot
into the UEFI. I decided to skip Fastboot since my computer is new and
I might have to revisit the UEFI settings a few times. Also, if you
enable Secure Boot (which I have for now), that disables Fastboot.
Check the manual to make sure you can enable/disable Secure Boot and
what is the default. Some pre-builts have Secure Boot enabled and there
is no option to disable it, so you can't have Fastboot.


Also I have Hibernate disabled and don't use sleep mode much because I
am on and off of the PC all day, Besides the new motherboard, i7 8700
CPU and no video card (the UHD 630 intel CPU/GPU graphics are ample)
idles at about 32 watts no load and Our Electric hydro cost is only 8
cents per KWH so there is really no need to use these modes.

With an SSD, you might psave all of 3-6 seconds off the boot time. For
me, it's not worth getting locked out of the UEFI setup for that little
bit of saved time, and I prefer to enter at the boot up rather than boot
completely into Windows to then use a program to reboot to finally get
into the UEFI. If you use an m.2 NVM3 SSD drive which is even faster
than an SSD attached to a SATA port, you save even less time with
Fastboot.

I am never in any hurry to Start or shutdown anyway at 85 and nothing
else to do why hurry. :-)


Since the ASUS Z390 Prime (looks similar to my Asrock Z390 Taichi) is a
mobo for a desktop build, why bother even shutting down the computer.
Configure the power options in Windows to make the computer go to sleep.
To restart using Windows, just tap any key on the keyboard to wake the
computer. You'll be back into Windows faster than any reboot sequence.
Just make sure to configure the monitor to go to sleep before the
timeout to make the computer go to sleep. I had set monitor sleep at
never figuring the computer sleep would override. Nope, with the
monitor set to never sleep, the computer wouldn't go to sleep.


The only reason I asked was to see if there were any adverse effects in
either mode. Just to stay out of trouble.

Rene

Rene Lamontagne wrote:

On the Asus z390 Prime MB and on my previous Asus MB you do not have
to hit the delete key at the proper time, Just hold it down at boot
startup and it will jump into the UEFI bios at the proper time, No
need for a 3rd party program for this.

Have you tested your hypothesis that with Fast Boot enabled you can
still enter the UEFI on a [re]boot?

Also I have Hibernate disabled and don't use sleep mode much because I
am on and off of the PC all day, Besides the new motherboard, i7 8700
CPU and no video card (the UHD 630 intel CPU/GPU graphics are ample)
idles at about 32 watts no load and Our Electric hydro cost is only 8
cents per KWH so there is really no need to use these modes.

My point was that it is a lot faster to come out of sleep mode than
having to boot the computer. You asked about Fast Boot which has to do
with shortening the boot time. Sleeping would be faster than booting to
get back to the desktop.

I am never in any hurry to Start or shutdown anyway at 85 and nothing
else to do why hurry. :-)

Then why ask about Fast Boot? Do an online search and you'll find lots
of problems caused by Fast Boot.

The only reason I asked was to see if there were any adverse effects
in either mode. Just to stay out of trouble.

Even if I didn't use Secure Boot (which negates using Fast Boot), I'd
avoid Fast Boot. Too many users have reported too many problems with
Fast Boot. *IF* it works without problems then use it but only if you
care about shaving your boot time (but if that were the case then
sleeping is faster to recover than booting).

On 2019-05-27 10:40 a.m., VanguardLH wrote:
Rene Lamontagne wrote:

On the Asus z390 Prime MB and on my previous Asus MB you do not have
to hit the delete key at the proper time, Just hold it down at boot
startup and it will jump into the UEFI bios at the proper time, No
need for a 3rd party program for this.

Have you tested your hypothesis that with Fast Boot enabled you can
still enter the UEFI on a [re]boot?

Yes, enters UEFI bios with it enabled or disabled on reboot


Also I have Hibernate disabled and don't use sleep mode much because I
am on and off of the PC all day, Besides the new motherboard, i7 8700
CPU and no video card (the UHD 630 intel CPU/GPU graphics are ample)
idles at about 32 watts no load and Our Electric hydro cost is only 8
cents per KWH so there is really no need to use these modes.

My point was that it is a lot faster to come out of sleep mode than
having to boot the computer. You asked about Fast Boot which has to do
with shortening the boot time. Sleeping would be faster than booting to
get back to the desktop.

I am never in any hurry to Start or shutdown anyway at 85 and nothing
else to do why hurry. :-)

Then why ask about Fast Boot? Do an online search and you'll find lots
of problems caused by Fast Boot.

answered below


The only reason I asked was to see if there were any adverse effects
in either mode. Just to stay out of trouble.

Even if I didn't use Secure Boot (which negates using Fast Boot), I'd
avoid Fast Boot. Too many users have reported too many problems with
Fast Boot. *IF* it works without problems then use it but only if you
care about shaving your boot time (but if that were the case then
sleeping is faster to recover than booting).


So I will leave it disabled

Rene

On 27/05/2019 03.59, VanguardLH wrote:
Just remember that Fastboot, or anything using hibernation mode, will do
some writes to the hibernation file (hiberfil.sys). If you are using an
SSD, that means more writes to the hibernation file.

Irrelevant.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 27/05/2019 02.03, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On my new Asus Z390 prime, should Fastboot be enabled or disabled?

Searching the net is no help, 50% say enable it and 50% say disable it
so I am asking here because I know I will get better results.

In principle, it is a good idea. It is similar to hibernation. You boot
faster and to the point. There are caveats: for example, if your machine
double boots to Linux or something else, you will find that you can not
mount read/write that "disk", and if you do you can corrupt it.

If one of the caveats affects you, then don't use fastboot, simple as that.

You could instead use hibernation explicitly when you want it, not
hidden behind different wording and not knowing when it is actually used.


--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 5/26/19 11:47 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

I am never in any hurry to Start or shutdown anyway at 85 and nothing
elseÂ*toÂ*doÂ*whyÂ*hurry. :-)

One of the few benefits of getting elderly! :-)