FREEWARE! wot I've never seen before

On 6/21/2019 11:30 PM, p-0''0-h the cat (coder) wrote:


http://www.eyesonpeople.com/en/startup-bar/

"This application indicates when the system startup process has finished
and therefore possible to use the system at its maximum power."


Microsoft Window$ has event codes. And you use can use the task
scheduler to do something when a event happened. Basically, you don't
need an extra tool.

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In message , Mr. Man-wai
Chang writes:
On 6/21/2019 11:30 PM, p-0''0-h the cat (coder) wrote:
http://www.eyesonpeople.com/en/startup-bar/
"This application indicates when the system startup process has
finished
and therefore possible to use the system at its maximum power."


Microsoft Window$ has event codes. And you use can use the task
scheduler to do something when a event happened. Basically, you don't
need an extra tool.

But if someone has written a utility (I haven't looked at it) that means
I don't have to mess about with event codes (which I'd have to learn
about) and task scheduler (which I find far too complex), then I'm not
going to object.

(For scheduled tasks - mainly reminders - I use System Scheduler, from
Splinterware, which I find far easier to use. I'm sure there are other
similar utilities.)
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In message , "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
writes:
In message , Mr. Man-wai
Chang writes:
On 6/21/2019 11:30 PM, p-0''0-h the cat (coder) wrote:
http://www.eyesonpeople.com/en/startup-bar/
"This application indicates when the system startup process has
finished
and therefore possible to use the system at its maximum power."


Microsoft Window$ has event codes. And you use can use the task
scheduler to do something when a event happened. Basically, you don't
need an extra tool.

But if someone has written a utility (I haven't looked at it) that
means I don't have to mess about with event codes (which I'd have to
learn about) and task scheduler (which I find far too complex), then
I'm not going to object.

Having said that, the above startupbar is still at 1.0, which according
to the NEWS link on the site, came out in 2014, so looks rather as if it
might be abandonware. (Though always was free.) Maybe, of course, it
works fine so needs no upgrade (-:
[]
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J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Lewis: ... d'you think there's a god?
Morse: ... There are times when I wish to god there was one. (Inspector Morse.)

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote

| But if someone has written a utility (I haven't looked at it) that means
| I don't have to mess about with event codes (which I'd have to learn
| about) and task scheduler (which I find far too complex), then I'm not
| going to object.
|

Is this April Fools? Is there anyone you don't block?
One person is excited to know when their computer
has booted. Another says he can do that more easily
with task scheduler! How about something *useful*,
like software to tell me whether I've put my shoes on?
Another great one might be IsItDaytime?

In message , Mayayana
writes:
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote

| But if someone has written a utility (I haven't looked at it) that means
| I don't have to mess about with event codes (which I'd have to learn
| about) and task scheduler (which I find far too complex), then I'm not
| going to object.
|

Is this April Fools? Is there anyone you don't block?

I'm not quite sure where that second part came in. I block about 17
people in AW7G, which is where I'm reading. In particular, I do _not_
block Mayayana, VanguardLH, or Paul, from all of whom I've learnt a lot.
(The first two can go off on long rants [though I usually agree!], and
the third can give exhaustive [and so exhausting!] answers, but I'd not
be without any of them.) The ones I _have_ blocked are just either
foul-mouthed who have nothing to contribute, or W10 shills, or waste
everybody's time by nymshifting and pushing _his_ way of doing things,
while refining the question. (You three majors may recommend your way,
sometimes at length, but have a way of doing so that is less irritating
than him. [I think he's a him.])

One person is excited to know when their computer
has booted. Another says he can do that more easily
with task scheduler! How about something *useful*,
like software to tell me whether I've put my shoes on?
Another great one might be IsItDaytime?

Just because one person thinks something is trivial, another might find
it useful. [Miners and others might find IsItDaytime useful; and have
you never gone out in your slippers by mistake (-:?]

Though having said that, startupbar never seems to have got past 1.0
which came out in 2014, so may not be much good. (Or may be perfect the
first time! But the site seems somewhat weird.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

There is no honour to be had in not knowing a thing that can be known -
Danny Baker

On Sat, 22 Jun 2019 13:06:03 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:


(For scheduled tasks - mainly reminders - I use System Scheduler, from
Splinterware, which I find far easier to use. I'm sure there are other
similar utilities.)


System Scheduler is new to me, but it looks very interesting. I just
downloaded it and I'll give it a try. Thanks very much.

J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Mayayana
writes:
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote

| But if someone has written a utility (I haven't looked at it) that
means
| I don't have to mess about with event codes (which I'd have to learn
| about) and task scheduler (which I find far too complex), then I'm not
| going to object.
|

Is this April Fools? Is there anyone you don't block?

I'm not quite sure where that second part came in. I block about 17
people in AW7G, which is where I'm reading. In particular, I do _not_
block Mayayana, VanguardLH, or Paul, from all of whom I've learnt a lot.
(The first two can go off on long rants [though I usually agree!], and
the third can give exhaustive [and so exhausting!] answers, but I'd not
be without any of them.) The ones I _have_ blocked are just either
foul-mouthed who have nothing to contribute, or W10 shills, or waste
everybody's time by nymshifting and pushing _his_ way of doing things,
while refining the question. (You three majors may recommend your way,
sometimes at length, but have a way of doing so that is less irritating
than him. [I think he's a him.])

One person is excited to know when their computer
has booted. Another says he can do that more easily
with task scheduler! How about something *useful*,
like software to tell me whether I've put my shoes on?
Another great one might be IsItDaytime?

Just because one person thinks something is trivial, another might find
it useful. [Miners and others might find IsItDaytime useful; and have
you never gone out in your slippers by mistake (-:?]

It seems I have one slipper and one shoe. IsItDaytime helped
me notice the mismatch.

Determining Startup Time is pretty tricky, if you look at a
Boot Trace.

https://i.postimg.cc/CxT50255/windows10-trace.gif

Paul

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote

| Is this April Fools? Is there anyone you don't block?
|
| I'm not quite sure where that second part came in.

I often see your responses as the first post. That was
true in this case. At one time I didn't block anyone. But
the noise has become worse over time, while people actually
discussing things have gradually left. I block people who
are downright nasty and/or talk about nothing. Like you,
I guess. Maybe you're just more patient.

Sometimes I see more new "" posts than original posts,
due to people answering people I've blocked.

|(You three majors may recommend your way,
| sometimes at length, but have a way of doing so that is less irritating
| than him. [I think he's a him.])
|

I'm a "major"? Interesting. I think Stan Brown, Char
Jackson and Ken Blake -- the 3 seniority hounds who
imagine themsellves to be elder statesmen -- might disagree
with you. Then again, I think all of them block
me. Stan because I corrected him one too many times.
Char because he didn't like my formatting. Ken? I don't
know. I think he just feels young whippersnappers need
to be put in their place. And a decade or two ago I was
a young whippersnapper. I guess I still am, insofar as
I don't enjoy when the old men gather around the pickle
barrel to tell stories about their favorite hotkey combinations
back in the days of programming with paper reels. ("And
the computer lab was uphill both ways!")

I guess there are subcultures here. Oh, the intrigue!

| One person is excited to know when their computer
| has booted. Another says he can do that more easily
| with task scheduler! How about something *useful*,
| like software to tell me whether I've put my shoes on?
| Another great one might be IsItDaytime?
|
| Just because one person thinks something is trivial, another might find
| it useful. [Miners and others might find IsItDaytime useful; and have
| you never gone out in your slippers by mistake (-:?]

No. I'm not that old yet. And yes, miners might like to
know what time it is. But not when they're looking at
the sky. Someone sitting in front of their computer
needs to know when it's booted? I think maybe they
need to know it's time to reinstall because their computer
is taking waaaaay too long to boot.

| Though having said that, startupbar never seems to have got past 1.0
| which came out in 2014, so may not be much good. (Or may be perfect the
| first time! But the site seems somewhat weird.)

And the program requires Java! There's also another
program using TTS to speak webpages.

This reminds me
of the early days of the PC craze, when people would
download all kinds of software just to see what was
out there. I used to write a tweak program. One customer
proudly sent me a screenshot of his start menu, to show
no less than 6 startup manager programs. People used to
think that kind of thing was clever.

My first program was actually a wallpaper changer. You
browse for a picture and the program sets it as desktop
background. That was actually a pretty advanced operation
back then. I had stiff competition in the wallpaper changer
category. But my program was unique: The entire window
background was a picture of a Christmas cactus, which was
one of a half dozen backgorunds provided. Not gray.
Not off-cream. No Aero techno-kitsch blades of grass around
the edge. The whole thing, except the buttons, was a photo
of a houseplant. Now *that's* useful software.

In message , Ken Blake
writes:
On Sat, 22 Jun 2019 13:06:03 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:


(For scheduled tasks - mainly reminders - I use System Scheduler, from
Splinterware, which I find far easier to use. I'm sure there are other
similar utilities.)


System Scheduler is new to me, but it looks very interesting. I just
downloaded it and I'll give it a try. Thanks very much.

You're welcome. I find it simple to use, and certainly much simpler than
Task Scheduler; besides, I used to use it in XP which I don't think had
such a thing built-in, and I just copied it over when I moved, to keep
all my appointments etc.

I mostly have pop-up reminders - meetings, appointments, and so on. If
you schedule it with a file that isn't an executable, it just calls the
default for that filetype as if you'd double-clicked on it in explorer:
on bin night I have it "run" the PDF of the collections calendar so I
know which sort of collection, and if I need an alarm call I have it
"run" Erika.mp3. [Search YouTube for Erika; nobody can sleep through
that.] One slight shortcoming is that the Snooze function only works
with popups.
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J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"The wish of the lazy to allow unsupervised access [to the internet] to their
children should not reduce all adults browsing to the level of suitability for
a
five-year-old." Yaman Akdeniz, quoted in Inter//face (The Times, 1999-2-10):
p12

J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

Ken Blake wrote:

System Scheduler is new to me

I find it simple to use, and certainly much simpler than
Task Scheduler; besides, I used to use it in XP which I don't think had
such a thing built-in

Sure it did, slight different name "Scheduled Tasks" existed in WinXP
and Win2K before it (even WinNT4 depending on what version of IE was
installed)

"Paul" wrote

| It seems I have one slipper and one shoe. IsItDaytime helped
| me notice the mismatch.
|

Somehow it doesn't surprise me that you're going senile
in a more complicated, technical manner than the rest of us.

"Andy Burns" wrote
|
| Sure it did, slight different name "Scheduled Tasks" existed in WinXP
| and Win2K before it (even WinNT4 depending on what version of IE was
| installed)

Yes. And the service can be disabled in XP. I've never
had any use for it and never enabled it. In Win7, by
contrast, it's more complicated and I haven't found
a way to disable it altogether.

In message , Mayayana
writes:
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote

| Is this April Fools? Is there anyone you don't block?
|
| I'm not quite sure where that second part came in.

I often see your responses as the first post. That was
true in this case. At one time I didn't block anyone. But

The one I responded to was a response to someone I had blocked. I
presume you had blocked the second person as well. I keep thinking of
doing so, but he's not quite over the threshold for me yet.

the noise has become worse over time, while people actually
discussing things have gradually left. I block people who
are downright nasty and/or talk about nothing. Like you,
I guess. Maybe you're just more patient.

Less so as I get older (-:.

Sometimes I see more new "" posts than original posts,
due to people answering people I've blocked.

|(You three majors may recommend your way,
| sometimes at length, but have a way of doing so that is less irritating
| than him. [I think he's a him.])
|

I'm a "major"? Interesting. I think Stan Brown, Char
Jackson and Ken Blake -- the 3 seniority hounds who
imagine themsellves to be elder statesmen -- might disagree
with you. Then again, I think all of them block

I meant in terms of useful and/or explanatory stuff. I don't block any
of those three, either, and have learnt things from them.

me. Stan because I corrected him one too many times.
Char because he didn't like my formatting. Ken? I don't
know. I think he just feels young whippersnappers need
to be put in their place. And a decade or two ago I was
a young whippersnapper. I guess I still am, insofar as

I was a "young fogey"; maybe now I can be an "old whippersnapper"!

I don't enjoy when the old men gather around the pickle
barrel to tell stories about their favorite hotkey combinations
back in the days of programming with paper reels. ("And
the computer lab was uphill both ways!")

Come on, we all do it - I've seen you do it too! We just hark back to
different eras.

I guess there are subcultures here. Oh, the intrigue!

| One person is excited to know when their computer
| has booted. Another says he can do that more easily
| with task scheduler! How about something *useful*,
| like software to tell me whether I've put my shoes on?
| Another great one might be IsItDaytime?
|
| Just because one person thinks something is trivial, another might find
| it useful. [Miners and others might find IsItDaytime useful; and have
| you never gone out in your slippers by mistake (-:?]

No. I'm not that old yet. And yes, miners might like to
know what time it is. But not when they're looking at

Now now, don't start changing the point mid-stream - you-know-who does
that, and he _is_ in my killfile! (Not just for that.)

the sky. Someone sitting in front of their computer
needs to know when it's booted? I think maybe they
need to know it's time to reinstall because their computer
is taking waaaaay too long to boot.

I keep hearing that. The converse is: people who spend all their time
reinstalling, just to keep their boot time down. I hardly ever boot, so
a long boot time is not a problem for me. And reinstalling - including
all system tweaks and tweaks to the software I use - would take many
days for me (and that's _without_ endless Windows Updates); I image (C:,
which is mostly only the OS and software - data is on D: - plus hidden
partition) against disaster (HD failure or really bad malware).
Something that dings when booting is finished, as that claims to do,
might have usefulness, though - especially for my blind friends.

| Though having said that, startupbar never seems to have got past 1.0
| which came out in 2014, so may not be much good. (Or may be perfect the
| first time! But the site seems somewhat weird.)

And the program requires Java! There's also another

Yes, I noticed that. I think he originally intended it to be
cross-platform before he stopped developing it.

program using TTS to speak webpages.

well, news tickers. I could see that getting really irritating!

This reminds me
of the early days of the PC craze, when people would
download all kinds of software just to see what was
out there. I used to write a tweak program. One customer
proudly sent me a screenshot of his start menu, to show
no less than 6 startup manager programs. People used to
think that kind of thing was clever.

Startup managers interfere with each other if run at the same time (if
only by using different "temporarily suspend" mechanisms that don't know
each other is/are there). I'm getting on OK with Autorun Organiser -
mainly because I like its alerting me when something has added a startup
something. I do also have the SysInternals one.

My first program was actually a wallpaper changer. You
browse for a picture and the program sets it as desktop
background. That was actually a pretty advanced operation
back then. I had stiff competition in the wallpaper changer
category. But my program was unique: The entire window
background was a picture of a Christmas cactus, which was

(I thought you were going to say it flowered occasionally ...)

one of a half dozen backgorunds provided. Not gray.
Not off-cream. No Aero techno-kitsch blades of grass around
the edge. The whole thing, except the buttons, was a photo
of a houseplant. Now *that's* useful software.

I actually still use a very old wallpaper changer called panorama32
(from 1998!). Come to think of it, I don't think it works under 64 bit;
I am on 7-32 here. As with the Scheduler, I found 7's own wallpaper
changer non-intuitive, if I wanted to use my own images. (I think it
_can_, I just couldn't be bothered learning how when I had one I knew
how to use.)

--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"The wish of the lazy to allow unsupervised access [to the internet] to their
children should not reduce all adults browsing to the level of suitability for
a
five-year-old." Yaman Akdeniz, quoted in Inter//face (The Times, 1999-2-10):
p12

In message , Mayayana
writes:
"Andy Burns" wrote
|
| Sure it did, slight different name "Scheduled Tasks" existed in WinXP
| and Win2K before it (even WinNT4 depending on what version of IE was
| installed)

OK. Either (most likely) I didn't know, or at least I found
Splinterware's utility much easier to use.

Yes. And the service can be disabled in XP. I've never
had any use for it and never enabled it. In Win7, by
contrast, it's more complicated and I haven't found
a way to disable it altogether.


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J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"The wish of the lazy to allow unsupervised access [to the internet] to their
children should not reduce all adults browsing to the level of suitability for a
five-year-old." Yaman Akdeniz, quoted in Inter//face (The Times, 1999-2-10): p12

Mayayana wrote:
"Paul" wrote

| It seems I have one slipper and one shoe. IsItDaytime helped
| me notice the mismatch.
|

Somehow it doesn't surprise me that you're going senile
in a more complicated, technical manner than the rest of us.

I'm getting maximum leverage from all these great
free tools.

Now, I sit with hands folded, waiting for someone to write
WhereDidILeaveMySlippers.exe . And OKHowAboutWhereAreMyCarKeys.exe.

Paul