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Old July 14th 19, 02:00 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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A multi-stage problem:


1) Last night I'd been looking using Firefox at a possibly sketchy
website for 20 minutes on Thursday, and a different subpage for 5
minutes on Friday and only then a separate window came up saying I was
dl'ing a virus. It didn't include a brand name I knew, like AVG or
Defender, but it did say to call an 833- number. That's a toll-free
call, right, but it still seems like it was a scam. Was it?

2) It had a lot of rectangles with text in fairly large fonts, and while
I was reading it, all of Firefox crashed.

Was there really a virus being downloaded? Or was the whole page that
said that a scam? if so, why did FF crash? I scanned with
Malwarebytes and later with AVG and the first found only one PUP. The
second found nothing**.

3) While Malwarebytes was running, the keyboard stopped working, as if
the Alt key was always pressed. I run Autohotkey, and though it has no
entry for the alt key, I closed it. No change. I have a Logitech
wireless keyboard and I turned that on and it acted the same, as if the
Alt key was always pressed. How can that be? What does it mean.


I restarted Windows and the alt key problem was gone, and afaik there
are no other problems, just questions!



4) **Well, AVG's new document section found documents with my name in
them, and with medical information in them. I don't like it that labs
etc name attachments with my name in them, but other than renaming
everything, which I think would end up being confusing, there's nothing
I can do. Do you folks think its a vulnerabilty?
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Old July 14th 19, 02:19 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In article , micky
wrote:

1) Last night I'd been looking using Firefox at a possibly sketchy
website for 20 minutes on Thursday, and a different subpage for 5
minutes on Friday and only then a separate window came up saying I was
dl'ing a virus. It didn't include a brand name I knew, like AVG or
Defender, but it did say to call an 833- number. That's a toll-free
call, right,


it is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toll-f..._in_the_North_
American_Numbering_Plan
In the United States of America, Canada, and other countries
participating in the North American Numbering Plan, a toll-free
telephone number has one of the area codes 800, 833, 844,
855, 866, 877, and 888.

Area code 822 is expected to be used in the future, followed by 880
through 887, then 889. However, 811 is reserved as a three-digit
number for various other purposes. In addition, 899 is reserved as a
member of the series x9x for future numbering plan expansion.

but it still seems like it was a scam. Was it?


absolutely.

if you call, they will 'find' something wrong even though there isn't,
then offer to 'fix' it for a fee.

also, if you call they get your phone number, so expect to be added to
a list for future spam calls.
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Old July 14th 19, 03:24 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 7/13/2019 9:00 PM, micky wrote:
A multi-stage problem:


1) Last night I'd been looking using Firefox at a possibly sketchy
website for 20 minutes on Thursday, and a different subpage for 5
minutes on Friday and only then a separate window came up saying I was
dl'ing a virus. It didn't include a brand name I knew, like AVG or
Defender, but it did say to call an 833- number. That's a toll-free
call, right, but it still seems like it was a scam. Was it?

2) It had a lot of rectangles with text in fairly large fonts, and while
I was reading it, all of Firefox crashed.

Was there really a virus being downloaded? Or was the whole page that
said that a scam? if so, why did FF crash? I scanned with
Malwarebytes and later with AVG and the first found only one PUP. The
second found nothing**.

3) While Malwarebytes was running, the keyboard stopped working, as if
the Alt key was always pressed. I run Autohotkey, and though it has no
entry for the alt key, I closed it. No change. I have a Logitech
wireless keyboard and I turned that on and it acted the same, as if the
Alt key was always pressed. How can that be? What does it mean.


I restarted Windows and the alt key problem was gone, and afaik there
are no other problems, just questions!



4) **Well, AVG's new document section found documents with my name in
them, and with medical information in them. I don't like it that labs
etc name attachments with my name in them, but other than renaming
everything, which I think would end up being confusing, there's nothing
I can do. Do you folks think its a vulnerabilty?

I would have done what you did with one exception. As soon as I
suspected a virus was being downloaded, I would immediately turn off the
LAN, copied and Saved the URL and reboot the computer. I would have
then runs the virus scans as you did. I use McAfee and check with
Malwarebytes.


I would then check URL with the virus program I use and maybe do a
search on the URL to see what turned up.

I would not return to what I was doing until I was confident there
computer remained virus free.

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Old July 14th 19, 06:21 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sat, 13 Jul 2019 22:24:58 -0400, Keith
Nuttle wrote:

On 7/13/2019 9:00 PM, micky wrote:
A multi-stage problem:


1) Last night I'd been looking using Firefox at a possibly sketchy
website for 20 minutes on Thursday, and a different subpage for 5
minutes on Friday and only then a separate window came up saying I was
dl'ing a virus. It didn't include a brand name I knew, like AVG or
Defender, but it did say to call an 833- number. That's a toll-free
call, right, but it still seems like it was a scam. Was it?

2) It had a lot of rectangles with text in fairly large fonts, and while
I was reading it, all of Firefox crashed.

Was there really a virus being downloaded? Or was the whole page that
said that a scam? if so, why did FF crash? I scanned with
Malwarebytes and later with AVG and the first found only one PUP. The
second found nothing**.

3) While Malwarebytes was running, the keyboard stopped working, as if
the Alt key was always pressed. I run Autohotkey, and though it has no
entry for the alt key, I closed it. No change. I have a Logitech
wireless keyboard and I turned that on and it acted the same, as if the
Alt key was always pressed. How can that be? What does it mean.


I restarted Windows and the alt key problem was gone, and afaik there
are no other problems, just questions!



4) **Well, AVG's new document section found documents with my name in
them, and with medical information in them. I don't like it that labs
etc name attachments with my name in them, but other than renaming
everything, which I think would end up being confusing, there's nothing
I can do. Do you folks think its a vulnerabilty?

I would have done what you did with one exception. As soon as I
suspected a virus was being downloaded, I would immediately turn off the


I guess I should have done that.

LAN, copied and Saved the URL and reboot the computer. I would have
then runs the virus scans as you did. I use McAfee and check with
Malwarebytes.


I would then check URL with the virus program I use and maybe do a
search on the URL to see what turned up.


You can check the URL? Other than the screen that once in a while
comes up saying the certificate is no good.

I would not return to what I was doing until I was confident there
computer remained virus free.


Well, I haven't been back to that page, even to finish reading what I
was reading.

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Old July 14th 19, 06:36 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 14/07/2019 02:00, micky wrote:
A multi-stage problem:


For your multi-stage problem requires multi-stage decision making process:

1) Reformat the hard disk and reinstall Windows 10 with Windows Defender
enabled;

2) Take your machine to a technician who can fix it for you after you
have explained to him the problem;

3) Just get rid of the machine and buy a new one but this time making
sure that it is from a reputable dealer such as DELL, HP or that Chinese
outfit called Lenovo.

Hope this helps you Micky mouse.

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Old July 14th 19, 07:19 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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micky wrote:

seems like it was a scam. Was it?


Yes, it's a scam ... it's *always* a scam.

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Old July 17th 19, 11:35 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 14/07/2019 03.00, micky wrote:
A multi-stage problem:


1) Last night I'd been looking using Firefox at a possibly sketchy
website for 20 minutes on Thursday, and a different subpage for 5
minutes on Friday and only then a separate window came up saying I was
dl'ing a virus. It didn't include a brand name I knew, like AVG or
Defender, but it did say to call an 833- number. That's a toll-free
call, right, but it still seems like it was a scam. Was it?


99% sure, yes

I saw something similar at the computer of a relative and it also
blasted a siren, making me jump.


2) It had a lot of rectangles with text in fairly large fonts, and while
I was reading it, all of Firefox crashed.

Was there really a virus being downloaded?


Doubtful.

Or was the whole page that
said that a scam?


99% sure, yes.

if so, why did FF crash?


Who knows. Probably the page uses many scripts and one of them did
something wrong and crashed FF. Make sure that FF is updated to the
latest version.

Mind, it can be an advert on the page as well.


My personal solution to these scares, is that I don't browse the web
with Windows... :-p I use Linux for everything except a few things that
require Windows, and enjoy a peaceful life on the web :-p

But no, I will not tell you to switch. I'm aware of the difficulties.
Disgusting that you have to endure these scares, they should rot in
prison, IMHO.

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Old July 17th 19, 06:30 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 14/07/2019 03.00, micky wrote:


if so, why did FF crash?


Who knows. Probably the page uses many scripts and one of them did
something wrong and crashed FF. Make sure that FF is updated to the
latest version.

Mind, it can be an advert on the page as well.


The designers of Firefox, tell us that "the Flash container
allows Flash to malfunction, without the browser crashing".
But the anecdotal evidence so far is, Firefox is just
as likely to crash as it always was. It means the
purported exploit path, isn't the only path. There must
be some other ways to crash it.

Remember that Firefox only adopted this strategy, because
Chrome had done so. The design intent was "keeping up
with the neighbors". I don't think their designers hatched
this plan as a form of "technical goodness". If Chrome didn't
have this feature, then Firefox staff would not have done it
on their own.

Paul
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Old July 27th 19, 10:08 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Wed, 17 Jul 2019 12:35:04 +0200, "Carlos
E.R." wrote:

On 14/07/2019 03.00, micky wrote:
A multi-stage problem:


1) Last night I'd been looking using Firefox at a possibly sketchy
website for 20 minutes on Thursday, and a different subpage for 5
minutes on Friday and only then a separate window came up saying I was
dl'ing a virus. It didn't include a brand name I knew, like AVG or
Defender, but it did say to call an 833- number. That's a toll-free
call, right, but it still seems like it was a scam. Was it?


99% sure, yes

I saw something similar at the computer of a relative and it also
blasted a siren, making me jump.


I got a very loud monotone from my speakers, for 5 or 10 seconds. So
loud the person I was on the phone with heard it. I think this was the
second time, but nothing else happened and there was nothing unusual on
the screen at the time, before, or afterwards. .


2) It had a lot of rectangles with text in fairly large fonts, and while
I was reading it, all of Firefox crashed.

Was there really a virus being downloaded?


Doubtful.


Good. It's been 10 days now and nothing strange has happened, except
tonight I got KingUpdater trying to update or install. But I started
anotehr thread about that.


Or was the whole page that
said that a scam?


99% sure, yes.

if so, why did FF crash?


Who knows. Probably the page uses many scripts and one of them did
something wrong and crashed FF.


That's good.

Make sure that FF is updated to the
latest version.


Yes, I have the latest version.

Mind, it can be an advert on the page as well.


My personal solution to these scares, is that I don't browse the web
with Windows... :-p I use Linux for everything except a few things that
require Windows, and enjoy a peaceful life on the web :-p


I should set up a second computer. I had one for a while and I've got
one I could use.

But no, I will not tell you to switch. I'm aware of the difficulties.
Disgusting that you have to endure these scares, they should rot in
prison, IMHO.


I would like to start a story that a few have been killed by people they
harmed, to scare some of the others, but I don't know how to do a
convincing job.
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Old July 27th 19, 10:10 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Wed, 17 Jul 2019 13:30:17 -0400, Paul
wrote:

Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 14/07/2019 03.00, micky wrote:


if so, why did FF crash?


Who knows. Probably the page uses many scripts and one of them did
something wrong and crashed FF. Make sure that FF is updated to the
latest version.

Mind, it can be an advert on the page as well.


The designers of Firefox, tell us that "the Flash container
allows Flash to malfunction, without the browser crashing".
But the anecdotal evidence so far is, Firefox is just
as likely to crash as it always was. It means the


Maybe it's as likely, but aside for the case in my OP here, it almost
never does, compared to before. It slows down to a crawl sometimes.

purported exploit path, isn't the only path. There must
be some other ways to crash it.

Remember that Firefox only adopted this strategy, because
Chrome had done so. The design intent was "keeping up
with the neighbors". I don't think their designers hatched
this plan as a form of "technical goodness". If Chrome didn't
have this feature, then Firefox staff would not have done it
on their own.


That's one thing to like about Chrome, then. Othewise I don't like it.

Paul


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Old July 27th 19, 10:10 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sun, 14 Jul 2019 19:19:43 +0100, Andy
Burns wrote:

micky wrote:

seems like it was a scam. Was it?


Yes, it's a scam ... it's *always* a scam.



LOL

 




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