printer driver driver

micky wrote:
Seems to me, someone should be able to write a printer driver driver,
that will take the output from XP, 7, 8, or 10 and convert it to what
the output from win98 or XP would look like, to be used as input for old
printers. So that old printers -- and other accessories -- could be
used with new versions of windows.

So it woudln't have to be printer-specific,

If this won't work, how come?

It annoys me that not only do they want us to buy a new version of
Windows, which often means a new computer, but then we have to buy new
printers, etc.

Naturally! Have you not heard about the new "economy" where you toss
anything and everything older than 2 years old?
Petty soon, you must toss anything that gets dusty.
Why the hell else are we way over 20 trillion in debt.

Good Guy wrote:
On 18/08/2015 13:06, micky wrote:
Seems to me, someone should be able to write a printer driver driver,
that will take the output from XP, 7, 8, or 10 and convert it to what
the output from win98 or XP would look like, to be used as input for old
printers. So that old printers -- and other accessories -- could be
used with new versions of windows.

So it woudln't have to be printer-specific,

If this won't work, how come?

It annoys me that not only do they want us to buy a new version of
Windows, which often means a new computer, but then we have to buy new
printers, etc.


Of course there are people writing drivers for old printers for new OS.
The only problem is that they have over-advertised themselves and so
people are wary of them. They stick their Ad in almost anything, even
in articles when you focus on a particular word, something pops up.
People have said enough is enough and so they just ignore them.

Do a search and you will find lots of them but be careful about them.
Some are good and some are pure evil. they will take you and your bank
to cleaners.


Well,there is NOTHING for the Panasonic KX-P1093 (including NO manuals).

Robert Baer wrote:
Good Guy wrote:
On 18/08/2015 13:06, micky wrote:
Seems to me, someone should be able to write a printer driver driver,
that will take the output from XP, 7, 8, or 10 and convert it to what
the output from win98 or XP would look like, to be used as input for old
printers. So that old printers -- and other accessories -- could be
used with new versions of windows.

So it woudln't have to be printer-specific,

If this won't work, how come?

It annoys me that not only do they want us to buy a new version of
Windows, which often means a new computer, but then we have to buy new
printers, etc.


Of course there are people writing drivers for old printers for new OS.
The only problem is that they have over-advertised themselves and so
people are wary of them. They stick their Ad in almost anything, even
in articles when you focus on a particular word, something pops up.
People have said enough is enough and so they just ignore them.

Do a search and you will find lots of them but be careful about them.
Some are good and some are pure evil. they will take you and your bank
to cleaners.


Well,there is NOTHING for the Panasonic KX-P1093 (including NO manuals).


Don't forget, that for old kit, there are *two* classes of drivers.

1) The manufacturer driver. They get tired of making drivers for
new OSes, and after five years, stop doing that.

2) Microsoft sometimes cooks up "universal" drivers for a class of
device. These may work out-of-the-box. Or, the driver package is
a kit, requiring a minimal amount of work by the manufacturer.
Universal drivers are possible, when there is a semblance of
an industry standard mode of operation.

It is the Type (2) drivers that you should be looking for.

I'm not an expert on Dot Matrix, but I'm willing to bet
there is some crusty old solution for them which is not (1).

http://geos-infobase.de/ND_DOCS/273IBM.HTM

Panasonic KX-P1093 (IBM Mode) {x1}

So for some reason, they recommend IBM Mode for yours.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/177512

"Dot-Matrix Guidelines

Almost all dot-matrix printers emulate an Epson or an IBM printer.
Exceptions to this rule include Toshiba, Texas Instruments,
some Okidata and C.Itoh printers. All Panasonic, Star Micronics,
and Citizen dot-matrix printers default to an Epson emulation
mode but can also emulate an IBM printer if you change the
printer settings.

In general, try an Epson printer driver first, and then try
an IBM driver if necessary.

Determine if the printer is a 9-pin or a 24-pin printer.
If a driver is installed, you can determine this by viewing
the available graphics resolutions. A 9-pin printer uses
resolution settings that are increments of 120 x 72.
A 24-pin printer uses resolution settings that are increments
of 120 x 180 or 180 x 180. Then, determine if the printer is
capable of printing in color and if the printer uses a wide
carriage (can take paper that is up to 14 7/8 inches wide).

Use the following table to determine which driver to use.
"

Naturally, there isn't a hope of getting such info
for a modern OS. But, try the terminology in a search
and see what pops up.

For example, every user is expected to be a rocket scientist.
Here, a user launched his own rocket, with only a few
burn marks from the experience.

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/w...d631635?auth=1

Paul

Paul wrote:
Robert Baer wrote:
Good Guy wrote:
On 18/08/2015 13:06, micky wrote:
Seems to me, someone should be able to write a printer driver driver,
that will take the output from XP, 7, 8, or 10 and convert it to what
the output from win98 or XP would look like, to be used as input for
old
printers. So that old printers -- and other accessories -- could be
used with new versions of windows.

So it woudln't have to be printer-specific,

If this won't work, how come?

It annoys me that not only do they want us to buy a new version of
Windows, which often means a new computer, but then we have to buy new
printers, etc.


Of course there are people writing drivers for old printers for new OS.
The only problem is that they have over-advertised themselves and so
people are wary of them. They stick their Ad in almost anything, even
in articles when you focus on a particular word, something pops up.
People have said enough is enough and so they just ignore them.

Do a search and you will find lots of them but be careful about them.
Some are good and some are pure evil. they will take you and your bank
to cleaners.


Well,there is NOTHING for the Panasonic KX-P1093 (including NO manuals).


Don't forget, that for old kit, there are *two* classes of drivers.

1) The manufacturer driver. They get tired of making drivers for
new OSes, and after five years, stop doing that.

2) Microsoft sometimes cooks up "universal" drivers for a class of
device. These may work out-of-the-box. Or, the driver package is
a kit, requiring a minimal amount of work by the manufacturer.
Universal drivers are possible, when there is a semblance of
an industry standard mode of operation.

It is the Type (2) drivers that you should be looking for.
* So far,drivers for the Epson FX-100, FX-80, FX-80+ and the LX-80
all(more or less) work. 9-pin Epson generic driver works.
Problem is graphics is all low resolution.


I'm not an expert on Dot Matrix, but I'm willing to bet
there is some crusty old solution for them which is not (1).

http://geos-infobase.de/ND_DOCS/273IBM.HTM
* Check; found that early in the game; used their list that had the
P1093 included and tried drivers listed (those available); about half
worked.
Note "NewDeal print drivers will not work with other Windows, OS/2,
or DOS programs."; What "other" windows programs?
AND, "You must have NewDeal software to use NewDeal print drivers."
Well, they DO NOT say this mythical software will run in (any version
you care to list) Windows.
Lastly,they DO NOT SAY where to get it...and how much...


Panasonic KX-P1093 (IBM Mode) {x1}

So for some reason, they recommend IBM Mode for yours.
* Saw that. Where the heck are their "drivers",etc?
All useless blabber as fa as i can tell.


https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/177512
* USEFUL chart and info

"Dot-Matrix Guidelines

Almost all dot-matrix printers emulate an Epson or an IBM printer.
Exceptions to this rule include Toshiba, Texas Instruments,
some Okidata and C.Itoh printers. All Panasonic, Star Micronics,
and Citizen dot-matrix printers default to an Epson emulation
mode but can also emulate an IBM printer if you change the
printer settings.

In general, try an Epson printer driver first, and then try
an IBM driver if necessary.
* Good point; will fiddle with IBM drivers;maybe i can get hi-res (AKA
readable) graphics.


Determine if the printer is a 9-pin or a 24-pin printer.
If a driver is installed, you can determine this by viewing
the available graphics resolutions. A 9-pin printer uses
resolution settings that are increments of 120 x 72.
* Thanks; my fiddling tells me it is 9-pin.

A 24-pin printer uses resolution settings that are increments
of 120 x 180 or 180 x 180. Then, determine if the printer is
capable of printing in color and if the printer uses a wide
carriage (can take paper that is up to 14 7/8 inches wide).

Use the following table to determine which driver to use.
"

Naturally, there isn't a hope of getting such info
for a modern OS. But, try the terminology in a search
and see what pops up.

For example, every user is expected to be a rocket scientist.
Here, a user launched his own rocket, with only a few
burn marks from the experience.

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/w...d631635?auth=1
Methinks he should have upgraded by returning to what he had for OS
(XP?) and the older Quickbooks.
Also bitch like crazy to QB about their (in effect) useless software).
Maybe even take them to small claims court: time wasted, equipment
rendered truly useless, money lost, etc.




Paul

Paul wrote:
Robert Baer wrote:
Good Guy wrote:
On 18/08/2015 13:06, micky wrote:
Seems to me, someone should be able to write a printer driver driver,
that will take the output from XP, 7, 8, or 10 and convert it to what
the output from win98 or XP would look like, to be used as input for
old
printers. So that old printers -- and other accessories -- could be
used with new versions of windows.

So it woudln't have to be printer-specific,

If this won't work, how come?

It annoys me that not only do they want us to buy a new version of
Windows, which often means a new computer, but then we have to buy new
printers, etc.


Of course there are people writing drivers for old printers for new OS.
The only problem is that they have over-advertised themselves and so
people are wary of them. They stick their Ad in almost anything, even
in articles when you focus on a particular word, something pops up.
People have said enough is enough and so they just ignore them.

Do a search and you will find lots of them but be careful about them.
Some are good and some are pure evil. they will take you and your bank
to cleaners.


Well,there is NOTHING for the Panasonic KX-P1093 (including NO manuals).


Don't forget, that for old kit, there are *two* classes of drivers.

1) The manufacturer driver. They get tired of making drivers for
new OSes, and after five years, stop doing that.

2) Microsoft sometimes cooks up "universal" drivers for a class of
device. These may work out-of-the-box. Or, the driver package is
a kit, requiring a minimal amount of work by the manufacturer.
Universal drivers are possible, when there is a semblance of
an industry standard mode of operation.

It is the Type (2) drivers that you should be looking for.

I'm not an expert on Dot Matrix, but I'm willing to bet
there is some crusty old solution for them which is not (1).

http://geos-infobase.de/ND_DOCS/273IBM.HTM

Panasonic KX-P1093 (IBM Mode) {x1}

So for some reason, they recommend IBM Mode for yours.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/177512

"Dot-Matrix Guidelines

Almost all dot-matrix printers emulate an Epson or an IBM printer.
Exceptions to this rule include Toshiba, Texas Instruments,
some Okidata and C.Itoh printers. All Panasonic, Star Micronics,
and Citizen dot-matrix printers default to an Epson emulation
mode but can also emulate an IBM printer if you change the
printer settings.

In general, try an Epson printer driver first, and then try
an IBM driver if necessary.

Determine if the printer is a 9-pin or a 24-pin printer.
If a driver is installed, you can determine this by viewing
the available graphics resolutions. A 9-pin printer uses
resolution settings that are increments of 120 x 72.
A 24-pin printer uses resolution settings that are increments
of 120 x 180 or 180 x 180. Then, determine if the printer is
capable of printing in color and if the printer uses a wide
carriage (can take paper that is up to 14 7/8 inches wide).

Use the following table to determine which driver to use.
"

Naturally, there isn't a hope of getting such info
for a modern OS. But, try the terminology in a search
and see what pops up.

For example, every user is expected to be a rocket scientist.
Here, a user launched his own rocket, with only a few
burn marks from the experience.

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/w...d631635?auth=1


Paul
Reference: the Epson FX-80 driver for the Panasonic KX-P1093.

The KB177512 article was the most useful, but the FX-850 seems to be
for a 24-pin printer and drives the KX-P1093 absolutely NUTS.
The IBM Generic Graphics driver produces graphics with worse
resolution (read: crappy); there is no "wide" version available.
The IBM Proprinter and Proprinter XL drivers work; the Epson FX-80 is
just as good.
The Epson FX-1050 driver looks the same, ditto for the Epson 9-pin
driver.
BUT..
Hold onto your hat!
Using the Epson JX-80 (color) driver gives excellent results!

Much thanks!
((now to see if that driver exists in Win7))

Robert Baer writes:

micky wrote:
Seems to me, someone should be able to write a printer driver driver,
that will take the output from XP, 7, 8, or 10 and convert it to what
the output from win98 or XP would look like, to be used as input for old
printers. So that old printers -- and other accessories -- could be
used with new versions of windows.

So it woudln't have to be printer-specific,

If this won't work, how come?

It annoys me that not only do they want us to buy a new version of
Windows, which often means a new computer, but then we have to buy new
printers, etc.

Naturally! Have you not heard about the new "economy" where you toss
anything and everything older than 2 years old?

Yeah, sad but true.

Petty soon, you must toss anything that gets dusty.

A lot of women, especially here in Japan, already live in that economy:
anything older than the last year's fashion must go, regardless of its
condition.

Regards,
Gernot
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