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Old August 25th 15, 08:39 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.usenet.offline-reader,forte-agen,comp.mail.eudora.ms-windows
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Default Text suddently moves tot he right margine, won't move back.

Sometimes text moves to the right side of a field.

Running XP SP3, Eudora 7.1.0.9, and Agent 1.93.

I have Hebrew, Arabic, and Russian alphabets enabled, the first two you
know are written from right to left, but in an effort to stop this, I
removed key sequences that were usable to change to those alphabets.
(So now I don't know how to change to the right alphabet even when I
want to.) (In Text Services and Input Languages, which comes from
Regional and Language options, which comes from the Control Panel)

This occurs mostly or entirely in two programs, i) ForteAgent and only
in the composition window, at the top, in the Newsgroups field or the
Subject field. And ii) in Eudora, where all of the text in
the body will sometimes become right justified, line by line, that is,
not changing line breaks.

I must have touched certain keys but I can't find the keys to get the
text back to the left.

Does anyone know what the problem is? Or how I stop it from happening
and how I reverse it when it does happen?


(Please leave all 3 newsgroups so I don't have to read this thread in 3
places.)

(Other than this problem Agent is the most well-behaved program I have,
never really doing anything it wasnt' designed to do (with one small
exception) , and Eudora works very well too except for sometimes saying
Not Responding (or something similar) when I have too many tabs open in
Firefox.)
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Old August 25th 15, 08:47 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.usenet.offline-reader,forte-agenT,comp.mail.eudora.ms-windows
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In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Tue, 25 Aug 2015 03:39:33
-0400, wrote:

Sometimes text moves to the right side of a field.

Running XP SP3, Eudora 7.1.0.9, and Agent 1.93.

I have Hebrew, Arabic, and Russian alphabets enabled, the first two you
know are written from right to left, but in an effort to stop this, I
removed key sequences that were usable to change to those alphabets.
(So now I don't know how to change to the right alphabet even when I
want to.) (In Text Services and Input Languages, which comes from
Regional and Language options, which comes from the Control Panel)

This occurs mostly or entirely in two programs, i) ForteAgent and only
in the composition window, at the top, in the Newsgroups field or the
Subject field. And ii) in Eudora, where all of the text in
the body will sometimes become right justified, line by line, that is,
not changing line breaks.

I must have touched certain keys but I can't find the keys to get the
text back to the left.

Does anyone know what the problem is? Or how I stop it from happening
and how I reverse it when it does happen?


(Please leave all 3 newsgroups so I don't have to read this thread in 3
places.)

(Other than this problem Agent is the most well-behaved program I have,
never really doing anything it wasnt' designed to do (with one small
exception) , and Eudora works very well too except for sometimes saying
Not Responding (or something similar) when I have too many tabs open in
Firefox.)


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Old August 25th 15, 10:06 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,comp.mail.eudora.ms-windows
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micky wrote:

Other than this problem Agent is the most well-behaved program I have


Really? Apparently that ancient version does not properly indent by
prefixing a quoting character the quoted content in your reply. Took me
awhile of rolling up and down trying to see what, if anything, you added
in your reply instead of just duplicating the original post. Your reply
content is at the same quotation indentation as the original message.
In fact, why would your newsreader even prefix your reply content with
quoting characters ("")? And why is your response in parenthesis?

Something is screwed up in that old free version of Forte Agent or how
you use or configured it. Look at your reply to Gonzo. Yikes.
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Old August 25th 15, 06:32 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,comp.mail.eudora.ms-windows
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In comp.mail.eudora.ms-windows, on Tue, 25 Aug 2015 04:06:45 -0500,
VanguardLH wrote:

micky wrote:

Other than this problem Agent is the most well-behaved program I have


Really? Apparently that ancient version does not properly indent by
prefixing a quoting character the quoted content in your reply. Took me
awhile of rolling up and down trying to see what, if anything, you added
in your reply instead of just duplicating the original post. Your reply
content is at the same quotation indentation as the original message.
In fact, why would your newsreader even prefix your reply content with
quoting characters ("")?


Because I quoted his whole post. I only did that because I noticed the
T was missing from Agent so I thought I'd help him out by reposting with
the T added. I could have said Nothing Added, and I hope I will do
that next time I do this.

And why is your response in parenthesis?


It is?

Something is screwed up in that old free version of Forte Agent or how


It's not free. I paid for it, and I've paid for 6 too, but still like
this one.

you use or configured it. Look at your reply to Gonzo. Yikes.


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Old August 25th 15, 11:49 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.usenet.offline-reader.forte-agent,comp.mail.eudora.ms-windows
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In comp.mail.eudora.ms-windows, on Tue, 25 Aug 2015 04:12:05 -0500,
VanguardLH wrote:

[snip separate topic]

Sometimes text moves to the right side of a field.

Running XP SP3, Eudora 7.1.0.9, and Agent 1.93.

I have Hebrew, Arabic, and Russian alphabets enabled, the first two you
know are written from right to left, but in an effort to stop this, I
removed key sequences that were usable to change to those alphabets.
(So now I don't know how to change to the right alphabet even when I
want to.) (In Text Services and Input Languages, which comes from
Regional and Language options, which comes from the Control Panel)

This occurs mostly or entirely in two programs, i) ForteAgent and only
in the composition window, at the top, in the Newsgroups field or the
Subject field. And ii) in Eudora, where all of the text in
the body will sometimes become right justified, line by line, that is,
not changing line breaks.

I must have touched certain keys but I can't find the keys to get the
text back to the left.

Does anyone know what the problem is? Or how I stop it from happening
and how I reverse it when it does happen?


Are you composing using HTML or plain text? If HTML, do those programs


Plain text

let you switch from HTML to plain text mode (which will strip out all
the HTML code)? Maybe you have your newsreader configured to use some
HTML template when composing new messages and it has code in it that


No.

causes the right alignment. See if composing in plain text mode
eliminates the unwanted right alignment (since you are not composing in
Hebrew, Arabic, or Russian).

You said that you installed Hebrew, Arabic, and Russian language
support. What language is selected in the Regional settings? What
keyboard layout was selected?


English US and US Keyboard (listed in the same box, right?)

http://www.qwertytutorials.com/softw...egional_xp.php


This is good but it doesn't answer my question.

That shows the dialogs for changing regional and language settings.
Under the Regional Options tab, which set of language preferences is
selected? Under the Languages tab, and clicking on the Details button
for "Text services and input languages", which keyboard layout is
selected? Under there you see buttons for Language Bar and Key
Settings. One of those probably has hotkeys for changing layout or
language preferences. I suspect by its name that Key Settings defines
hotkeys for quickly switching between languages.


Yes, and I used tot have those filled in, but I changed them to None
after this happened a few times.

At some time, there was a small semi-transparent area -- I guess it's
called the Language Bar but that box, to the left of the Key Settings
box, is greyed out (not a problem). . ( It's the size of the Systray
Time, and it was at the bottom, then later at the top of the screen,
which I could click on and change languages, but that went away, maybe
when I changed the keys to None. )


https://www.microsoft.com/resources/....mspx?mfr=true

Although you added Hebrew, Arabic, and Russian language support doesn't
mean you should have those added to your keyboard layout or your for
your language preferences. You might want to configure those to use
just the language you want and then DISABLE text services.

https://www.microsoft.com/resources/....mspx?mfr=true

(Please leave all 3 newsgroups so I don't have to read this thread in 3
places.)


Replies should politely reuse the same list of Newsgroups to which you
posted *if* all cross-posted newsgroups are related (e.g., asking about


I'm glad to hear that. But recently I think I read a post where someone
had deleted every ng but the one he read, which wasn't iirc even the ng
from which the OP had posted. Ironically, I'm the one who didn't post
to all 3 groups, because I misspellled one name, but the third group can
read the OP here.

gardening in a car enthusiast newsgroup would be improper cross posting
so respondents can and probably will pick only the appropriate newsgroup
to which they respond).

You did not [try to] post to 3 newsgroups. You specified 4:

microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
alt.usenet.offline-reader
forte-agen
comp.mail.eudora.ms-windows


I pasted in the name of the newsgroup, so I can't understand how the
period in the name of the Forte newsgroup got changed to a comma. OTOH,
I can l understand how the T on agent got deleted, when I was deleting
what I thought was a period between the Eudora group and Agent group
names.

"forte-agen" (even with adding the missing trailing "t") is not a valid
newsgroup name. Looks like you entered a comma (separates newsgroup
names) instead of a period (demarks parts of a newsgroup name). You
meant alt.usenet.offline-reader.forte-agent but blundered with a comma
instead of period and omitted the "t" at the end. Oops. So your post
went to alt.usenet.offline-reader (a valid newsgroup)


I didn't even know that was valid.

but not to the
child forte-agent group.

I'm surprised your newsreader, Forte Agent, even for that ancient 1.93
version, would let you to submit to a newsgroup that does not exist on
the server to which you submitted your article. A good newsreader would
alert you that the newsgroup(s) was(were) not available.


I don't think it does that.
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Old August 26th 15, 05:32 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.usenet.offline-reader.forte-agent,comp.mail.eudora.ms-windows
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gonzo wrote:

At some time, there was a small semi-transparent area -- I guess it's
called the Language Bar but that box, to the left of the Key Settings
box, is greyed out (not a problem). . ( It's the size of the Systray
Time, and it was at the bottom, then later at the top of the screen,
which I could click on and change languages, but that went away, maybe
when I changed the keys to None. )


If you are using only one language then why show the Language Bar? The
MS article mentioned tells how to disable Text Services. One of the
settings for Language bar is to turn it off (uncheck "Show the Language
bar on the desktop").

It's been way too long since I last used Windows XP and monkeyed around
with the keyboard and language settings. As I recall, you could have
different languages and key mappings assigned to different [app]
windows. You could have Spanish assigned to one window and English to a
different one. You might have to open the affected apps and make sure
English language and keyboard mapping is selected when those apps
windows are opened AND they have focus. With the Language Bar loaded
and visible (or just with its tray icon), go into each app by clicking
in its window and see which language is displayed in the Language Bar or
"EN" in the tray icon.

What language is selected within Forte Agent. Is there an Options -
General Preferences - Languages dialog with Usenet and E-mail Text
settings?

Did you install software with your keyboard?
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Old August 26th 15, 06:15 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,comp.mail.eudora.ms-windows
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micky wrote:

In comp.mail.eudora.ms-windows, on Tue, 25 Aug 2015 04:06:45 -0500,
VanguardLH wrote:


Configuring your client to include the newsgroups in your attribution
line present inaccurate info. Only 1 newsgroup was listed. My post was
submitted to 2 newsgroups: the valid ones (but not to the accidental one
and obvioulsy not to a non-existing one). Because of cross-posting, the
reader may not see your article in the one newsgroup you specify in your
attribution line. The Newsgroups header already shows that info. The
newsgroup you mention in your attribution line may not be the same
newsgroup to which you submit your reply.

Nym should go first. The point of the attribution line is to identify
who said what. Date and Message-ID (of the parent post in a reply) can
be handy (with limp clients) but the rest is fluff or may be inaccurate.

micky wrote:

Other than this problem Agent is the most well-behaved program I
have


Really? Apparently that ancient version does not properly indent by
prefixing a quoting character to the quoted content in your reply.
Took me awhile of rolling up and down trying to see what, if
anything, you added in your reply instead of just duplicating the
original post. Your reply content is at the same quotation
indentation as the original message.


Because I quoted his whole post.


Oops, my bad. I thought the "(Other than than this ...)" paragraph was
your reply content and why I removed the parenthesis. I didn't catch
that you added NOTHING in your reply (other than your attribution line).

Maybe my eyes are worse than I thought. Did *YOU* add anything to your
reply? Looks like you merely cited the original post. My guess,
despite no announcement by you in your reply, is that your intent was to
copy the OP's post into the Forte newsgroup. Didn't work (see below).
When you change the newsgroups, you *announce* the change in your reply.

Despite you adding the "T" to "forte-agen", that still failed to copy
the article as a cross-post to the Forte newsgroup. Like the OP, you
also used the comma separator instead of the period in the newsgroup
name. There are no "forte-agen" or "forte-agent" newsgroups. There
are, however, the following newsgroups:

alt.usenet.offline-reader -- to where you and the OP actually posted
alt.usenet.offline-reader.forte-agent
\
\__ Period ("."), not comma (",")

alt.usenet.offline-reader,forte-agent (2 newsgroups: 1 valid, 1 invalid)
^
is not the same as |
v
alt.usenet.offline-reader.forte-agent (1 valid newsgroup)

Both you and the OP use Forte 1.93. Tis a bit surprising that it does
not alert you when attempting to submit an article to a newsgroup that
does not exist on the server. The server will return an error. The
client should notify you of that error.

Go look in alt.usenet.offline-reader. That is to where the OP and you
cross-posted. Then go to alt.usenet.offline-reader.forte-agent and you
will see your and the OP's posts did NOT go there.
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Old August 26th 15, 02:29 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,comp.mail.eudora.ms-windows
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In comp.mail.eudora.ms-windows, on Wed, 26 Aug 2015 09:24:05 -0400,
Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:

On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 00:15:53 -0500, VanguardLH declaimed the
following:


Both you and the OP use Forte 1.93. Tis a bit surprising that it does
not alert you when attempting to submit an article to a newsgroup that
does not exist on the server. The server will return an error. The
client should notify you of that error.

It could be that it achieved one successful group and presumed that
THAT server would eventually propagate the message to the other named
groups (valid or not).


Good point. As I recall, one could post to groups not on one's own news
server if he also posted to a group on his server. Unless of course
I inaccurately deduced that one could do that because of something
simlar to what happened here.

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Old August 26th 15, 02:30 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,comp.mail.eudora.ms-windows,alt.usenet.offline-reader.forte-agent
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Default Text suddently moves tot he right margine, won't move back.

In comp.mail.eudora.ms-windows, on Wed, 26 Aug 2015 09:24:05 -0400,
Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:

On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 00:15:53 -0500, VanguardLH declaimed the
following:


Both you and the OP use Forte 1.93. Tis a bit surprising that it does
not alert you when attempting to submit an article to a newsgroup that
does not exist on the server. The server will return an error. The
client should notify you of that error.

It could be that it achieved one successful group and presumed that
THAT server would eventually propagate the message to the other named
groups (valid or not).


Good point. As I recall, one could post to groups not on one's own news
server if he also posted to a group on his server. Unless of course
I inaccurately deduced that one could do that because of something
simlar to what happened here.

Posted a secont time with Agent group included.
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Old August 26th 15, 07:34 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,comp.mail.eudora.ms-windows,alt.usenet.offline-reader.forte-agent
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On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 00:15:53 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

Both you and the OP use Forte 1.93. Tis a bit surprising that it does
not alert you when attempting to submit an article to a newsgroup that
does not exist on the server. The server will return an error. The
client should notify you of that error.



The news server only returns an error if it does not accept the post.
Clearly the news server did accept the post.

Some news servers accept posts to newsgroups they do not carry, so long
as the message is cross-posted to a group which the server does carry.



--
Kind regards
Ralph
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Old August 26th 15, 08:03 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,comp.mail.eudora.ms-windows,alt.usenet.offline-reader.forte-agent
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Ralph Fox wrote:

On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 00:15:53 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

Both you and the OP use Forte 1.93. Tis a bit surprising that it does
not alert you when attempting to submit an article to a newsgroup that
does not exist on the server. The server will return an error. The
client should notify you of that error.


The news server only returns an error if it does not accept the post.
Clearly the news server did accept the post.

Some news servers accept posts to newsgroups they do not carry, so long
as the message is cross-posted to a group which the server does carry.


Thanks for the update. So the user may not know one of the newsgroups
is invalid. Ouch.
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Old August 29th 15, 09:42 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.usenet.offline-reader.forte-agent,comp.mail.eudora.ms-windows
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On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 03:39:33 -0400, wrote:

Sometimes text moves to the right side of a field.

Running XP SP3, Eudora 7.1.0.9, and Agent 1.93.

I have Hebrew, Arabic, and Russian alphabets enabled, the first two you
know are written from right to left, but in an effort to stop this, I
removed key sequences that were usable to change to those alphabets.
(So now I don't know how to change to the right alphabet even when I
want to.) (In Text Services and Input Languages, which comes from
Regional and Language options, which comes from the Control Panel)

This occurs mostly or entirely in two programs, i) ForteAgent and only
in the composition window, at the top, in the Newsgroups field or the
Subject field. And ii) in Eudora, where all of the text in
the body will sometimes become right justified, line by line, that is,
not changing line breaks.

I must have touched certain keys but I can't find the keys to get the
text back to the left.

Does anyone know what the problem is? Or how I stop it from happening
and how I reverse it when it does happen?



For XP, there are key settings in the Control Panel at
Control Panel Region and Language Options Languages Details Key Settings


OTOH for Agent 1.93 I would normally expect this behaviour to be
driven by the language selected in Agent -- or more precisely, by
the "Script" setting for the font associated with the language
selected.

1. For the Agent 1.93 composition window, the language selection
is at Message Properties, top left.

2. To find the font associated with a language, and the font's
"Script" setting, in Agent 1.93
2.1 Go to Options Display Preferences Fonts
2.2 Select the language in the drop-down
2.3 Click either "Variable-Pitch body" or "Fixed-Pitch body"
depending on whether text is displayed in a
proportional or monospaced font.


(Please leave all 3 newsgroups so I don't have to read this thread in 3
places.)

(Other than this problem Agent is the most well-behaved program I have,
never really doing anything it wasnt' designed to do (with one small
exception) , and Eudora works very well too except for sometimes saying
Not Responding (or something similar) when I have too many tabs open in
Firefox.)



--
Kind regards
Ralph
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Old August 29th 15, 12:24 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.usenet.offline-reader.forte-agent,comp.mail.eudora.ms-windows
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In comp.mail.eudora.ms-windows, on Sat, 29 Aug 2015 20:42:36 +1200,
Ralph Fox wrote:

On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 03:39:33 -0400, wrote:

Sometimes text moves to the right side of a field.

Running XP SP3, Eudora 7.1.0.9, and Agent 1.93.

I have Hebrew, Arabic, and Russian alphabets enabled, the first two you
know are written from right to left, but in an effort to stop this, I
removed key sequences that were usable to change to those alphabets.
(So now I don't know how to change to the right alphabet even when I
want to.) (In Text Services and Input Languages, which comes from
Regional and Language options, which comes from the Control Panel)

This occurs mostly or entirely in two programs, i) ForteAgent and only
in the composition window, at the top, in the Newsgroups field or the
Subject field. And ii) in Eudora, where all of the text in
the body will sometimes become right justified, line by line, that is,
not changing line breaks.

I must have touched certain keys but I can't find the keys to get the
text back to the left.

Does anyone know what the problem is? Or how I stop it from happening
and how I reverse it when it does happen?



For XP, there are key settings in the Control Panel at
Control Panel Region and Language Options Languages Details Key Settings


Right. The Key Settings are all set to None.


OTOH for Agent 1.93 I would normally expect this behaviour to be


It might be a coincidence that the whole body of an email gets
right-justified in Eudora, maybe once every 2 or 3 months.


I went to Windows Control Panel/Regional and Language/Languages/Details
/Advanced and unchecked the "Turn off advanced text services"**, and my
Language Bar button is no longer greyed out, But I have to restart for
this all to take effect, and I'm not going to do that for several days.

I'll try to get back to you all and let you know what happens, if and
when something changes.

**I don't remember ever checking this, buit maybe I did.

driven by the language selected in Agent -- or more precisely, by
the "Script" setting for the font associated with the language
selected.

1. For the Agent 1.93 composition window, the language selection
is at Message Properties, top left.


English (American). The only other choice is Russian, but I havent'
selected Russian in over a year, or two.

2. To find the font associated with a language, and the font's
"Script" setting, in Agent 1.93
2.1 Go to Options Display Preferences Fonts
2.2 Select the language in the drop-down
2.3 Click either "Variable-Pitch body" or "Fixed-Pitch body"
depending on whether text is displayed in a
proportional or monospaced font.

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Old August 29th 15, 02:42 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.usenet.offline-reader.forte-agent,comp.mail.eudora.ms-windows
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In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Sat, 29 Aug 2015 07:24:52
-0400, ne wrote:


I went to Windows Control Panel/Regional and Language/Languages/Details
/Advanced and unchecked the "Turn off advanced text services"**, and my
Language Bar button is no longer greyed out, But I have to restart for
this all to take effect, and I'm not going to do that for several days.


I had googled for language bar greyed out . In fact that is
where I read to uncheck "turn off advanced text services."

I'll try to get back to you all and let you know what happens, if and
when something changes.

**I don't remember ever checking this, buit maybe I did.


I continued to read articles about that and one reason given was
"1.Missing,corrupted or renamed CTFMON.exe file - its location should be
here " Well I used msconfig and unchecked CTFMON. I've actually done
this more than once, and usually it just reappears, but this time I went
weeks or months without its reappearing! However after I unchecked
the box above, it reappeared again.

None of this accounts for why things get right-justified, or why it's
only those three places, but maybe if I have the language bar back, at
least maybe I'll be able to put them on the left again.

The three places are the Agent composition window Newsgroup and Subject
lines, and the body of Eudora emails, probalby when composing them iirc.

 




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