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On 9/30/2014 1:27 PM, Seth wrote:
Windows 10 http://www.engadget.com/2014/09/30/m...=rss_truncated Funny how Windows 10 looks like Windows 7 with the blocky desktop embedded in the Start menu! I've actually never used W8. |
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On 10/1/14 7:31 AM, Don Phillipson wrote:
"John Doe" wrote in message ... "Don Phillipson" wrote: "John Doe" wrote Microsoft needs to stop trying to harness the ultraportable PC business and start innovating in the desktop PC business. Retailers do not nowadays sell enough new desktops to constitute a market big enough to attract MS. From what I can see, looks like they sell approximately the same number as always. All local indicators suggest laptops far outsell desktops nowadays (not to mention also tablets.) Just a thought on my part, but with the increasing size and power of laptops, perhaps laptops and desktops should be lumped together for a conversation like this. And to me, the Surface seems to be moving towards being more of a laptop than a tablet. . . . Apparently many big corporate leaders have forgotten how capitalism is supposed to be, they have forgotten that it involves reinvesting the money. This may be true of "capitalism" but is not uniformly so for people. Most people with investments either (a) cash them in so as to enjoy spending the proceeds, or (b) bequeathe them to other people who may make their own decisions (whether to invest or enjoy.) The general system of capitalism does indeed "involve" reinvesting, but capital does not by itself. -- Ken Mac OS X 10.8.5 Firefox 25.0 Thunderbird 24.6.0 "My brain is like lightning, a quick flash and it's gone!" |
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http://www.engadget.com/2014/09/30/m...=rss_truncated | Funny how Windows 10 looks like Windows 7 with the blocky desktop | embedded in the Start menu! I've actually never used W8. There's an article today at TheRegister talking about exactly that. They're saying that MS is hoping to get corporate customers back by making it look a lot like Win7. Win8 is a dual system -- a fairly normal Desktop along with a Metro giant-button screen. (AKA live tiles.) The sales pitch there was that Desktop PC software was "old hat" and that people therefore need to be constantly flipped back into Tile City until they get over the PC habit. But that scam didn't work out so well. Win10 for PCs appears to be a Desktop that's had the Metro elements integrated. Or one might say that it's pre-infested so that one doesn't need an extra Metro screen. Thus the Metro services can be more gently, and insidiously, insinuated into peoples' PC usage, rather than flipping the whole OS and irritating people. It seems to all still come down to the same thing: Corporate PCs are their bread and butter, but the trend these days is a return to the approach of an AOL walled garden, locking people in to services and subscriptions. Microsoft are trying to find a way to "leverage" their vast Windows customer base in order to quickly achieve the pervasive, intrusive and profitable OS+apps+devices system that Apple, Google and to some extent Amazon are using. And MS is doing it with their usual flair: If at first you don't succeed, fail, fail again. |
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Yeah I know that reinvesting is not a requirement. I wasn't
talking about requirements. I was talking about the way the system is supposed to work. Our country has become an oligarchy. And obviously there are filthy rich people who have more money than their descendents will ever spend. Those same people have not reinvested enough of the money they have sucked from the rest of us. It's like the old saying about cleaning your own house before you clean others. Microsoft could do (or could have done) some really great stuff with the personal computer instead of just sucking monopoly profits from the people. It wants to monopolize ultraportable computers too. If you own a tablet, you can see the innovation taking place that's nonexistent on the desktop. Nobody (except maybe the government) is going to give Microsoft the same chance to dumb-down tablets like it has done with the PC. -- "Don Phillipson" e925 SPAMBLOCK.ncf.ca wrote: Path: eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!news.albasani.net!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Don Phillipson" e925 SPAMBLOCK.ncf.ca Newsgroups: alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8 Subject: Next version of Windows is... Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 09:31:15 -0400 Organization: albasani.net Lines: 34 Message-ID: m0gvou$lpb$4 news.albasani.net References: m0ep5f$en4$1 nocheese.eternal-september.org m0eqnl$od7$1 dont-email.me m0fhi1$3nb$2 news.albasani.net m0fncp$sqs$1 dont-email.me X-Trace: news.albasani.net 5J8Jzak4jbiq2aynLfzj0U5landsAS/YFtkA424fYYmrvCqXe9rSYL3vAWt96cLALt2z+DOyUbdSGPUG/HyMs7w9JTT1+rtilHZ+S2y8HfslpzVAcR4i3zdq36PSh2lp NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 13:32:15 +0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: news.albasani.net; logging-data="AiTsd3xKj/nUuSCmpl9OCOuDCyURGBIEnM5EZPYHVO3aoBHe0KFtMS2a2MWz K4D5A0kbNxC+bEu/BVDu+M81Y8lsNhn2ToYDisyx0PVF829TTl+37zRBW2uXpCXHEk hk"; mail-complaints-to="abuse albasani.net" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Cancel-Lock: sha1:kSVMSITlW6WpwCE9GzQKs0i+C9A= X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Xref: news.eternal-september.org alt.windows7.general:110082 alt.comp.os.windows-8:18874 "John Doe" always.look message.header wrote in message news:m0fncp$sqs$1 dont-email.me... "Don Phillipson" e925 SPAMBLOCK.ncf.ca wrote: "John Doe" always.look message.header wrote Microsoft needs to stop trying to harness the ultraportable PC business and start innovating in the desktop PC business. Retailers do not nowadays sell enough new desktops to constitute a market big enough to attract MS. From what I can see, looks like they sell approximately the same number as always. All local indicators suggest laptops far outsell desktops nowadays (not to mention also tablets.) . . . Apparently many big corporate leaders have forgotten how capitalism is supposed to be, they have forgotten that it involves reinvesting the money. This may be true of "capitalism" but is not uniformly so for people. Most people with investments either (a) cash them in so as to enjoy spending the proceeds, or (b) bequeathe them to other people who may make their own decisions (whether to invest or enjoy.) The general system of capitalism does indeed "involve" reinvesting, but capital does not by itself. -- Don Phillipson Carlsbad Springs (Ottawa, Canada) |
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On Wed, 01 Oct 2014 09:56:09 -0400, Mayayana wrote:
| I'm guessing the "Windows 10" is to compete with "MacOSX". | And that means all future OSes will be 10.1, 10.2, 10.3, etc. | Maybe it's acknowledgment of a "subscription future". All of that seems like a good guess. Also, Microsofties have always been oddly infatuated with "X": ActiveX, X-Box, docx. The Win32 API has many functions that have been updated, which MS denotes by "ex". For example, GetVersion returns the version of the OS. GetVersionEx is the newer, improved replacement. It's used in a similar way as the word "premium", having no actual meaning but implying some sort of specialness. Perhaps even the ditzy MS obsession with XML goes back to X. With Windows being at #10 they can plaster Xs here, there and everywhere, "to their hearts' content". Who wouldn't want to replace Notepad, with Notepad X, after all? It sounds like a race car. Notepad X is sure to be more spiffy, with great new functions like a built-in Bing Bar that searches thesaurus.bing.com. The Bing Bar could then send a copy of your work to Microsoft every few minutes to help with picking ads to show at the top of the Notepad X window. Then the cover story can be that Notepad X is cloudified (or rather XCloudiffified), with online backup. I can hardly wait. Progress is a thrilling thing. I'm already feeling a bit depressed that I'm just writing this post in plain old OE and not in OutlookExpressX. you're taking this to excess. F. |
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In Paul wrote:
This was not a "9 stinks as a number" decision. It has some other meaning. It was chosen to avoid all the "Nein! Nein! Nein!" jokes. -- St. Paul, MN |
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On Wed, 01 Oct 2014 10:55:52 +0100, Roderick Stewart wrote:
Well, the number spoken English does sound like the German word for "no", and marketing people do take heed of things like that. To be clear, you're talking about the number "nine", which is "Neun" in German. "nein" is "no" in German. I very much doubt this is a factor. I agree with Paul: the "Windows 10" is to compete with "MacOSX". -- s|b |
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On Wed, 01 Oct 2014 00:47:29 -0400, Paul wrote:
Seth wrote: Windows 10 http://www.engadget.com/2014/09/30/m...=rss_truncated I'm guessing the "Windows 10" is to compete with "MacOSX". And that means all future OSes will be 10.1, 10.2, 10.3, etc. Maybe. I'm not convinced, but we'll see. Maybe it's acknowledgment of a "subscription future". I would not accept a naive rationale for why it is "10". There is some evil in that choice, which we'll have to wait and see. This was not a "9 stinks as a number" decision. It has some other meaning. Yes, but my guess is that Microsoft will never tell us why. For Apple, the break from MacOS 9 to MacOSX, was a transition from cooperative multitasking to pre-emptive multitasking. It was a change worthy of a new name (as pre-emptive is not crash prone like co-operative was). In the case of Microsoft, the transition from 8 to 10 involves no new technologies (I've seen no ground breaking announcements), so this is hardly a comparable naming exercise. Microsoft had pre-emptive multitasking for a lot longer than Apple. And before them, probably some Unix kernel. But for Apple, their rewrite of the OS was a turning point, from the "toy OS" that was MacOS 9. MacOS 6 through 9 were still very nice, but "they crashed too much". It used to crash once a day for me, on average. It's where the notion of "do frequent saves" came from. You're on a Mac. The MacOSX machine here, doesn't have that problem (not that I use it much any more). Corel has been numbering WordPerfect versions with an X following version 12; the version after that one was called X3, My guess was that they didn't want to call it 13, since many people think that's an unlucky number. Then they continued with X's after X3; they are up to X7 now. Is my guess right? Who knows. We'll never find out. What will come after X9? X10? XX? 20? Who knows? |
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On Wed, 01 Oct 2014 10:15:48 -0400, Art Todesco
wrote: On 9/30/2014 1:27 PM, Seth wrote: Windows 10 http://www.engadget.com/2014/09/30/m...=rss_truncated Funny how Windows 10 looks like Windows 7 with the blocky desktop embedded in the Start menu! I've actually never used W8. To me, Windows 8 looks more like Windows 7 than Windows 10 does. That's because I have Windows 8 running with Start8 here. |
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On Wed, 1 Oct 2014 09:31:15 -0400, "Don Phillipson"
wrote: All local indicators suggest laptops far outsell desktops nowadays (not to mention also tablets.) Leaving aside tablets, which are very different from desktops or laptops, if laptops outsell desktops, I think it's crazy. As far as I'm concerned, almost the only situation when a laptop should be used instead of a desktop is when traveling, because it's smaller and lighter, and therefore easier to carry. In all other respects, a laptop is inferior to a desktop: It's more expensive to buy It's less upgradable Replacement parts or upgraded parts are move expensive to buy Doing replacement or upgrading is harder and often requires a serviceman It's more likely to have problems, since it can easily be dropped and broken It's more expensive to repair It's more easily stolen The keyboard is smaller and harder to use The monitor is smaller and harder to see Probably other things too, but those are the ones that come to my mind quickly. |
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On 10/1/14 1:21 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Wed, 1 Oct 2014 09:31:15 -0400, "Don Phillipson" wrote: All local indicators suggest laptops far outsell desktops nowadays (not to mention also tablets.) Leaving aside tablets, which are very different from desktops or laptops, if laptops outsell desktops, I think it's crazy. As far as I'm concerned, almost the only situation when a laptop should be used instead of a desktop is when traveling, because it's smaller and lighter, and therefore easier to carry. In all other respects, a laptop is inferior to a desktop: It's more expensive to buy It's less upgradable Replacement parts or upgraded parts are move expensive to buy Doing replacement or upgrading is harder and often requires a serviceman It's more likely to have problems, since it can easily be dropped and broken It's more expensive to repair It's more easily stolen The keyboard is smaller and harder to use The monitor is smaller and harder to see Probably other things too, but those are the ones that come to my mind quickly. Agreed with one exception... For some users, owning two computers to do the same thing simply is not justifiable from a practical and financial perspective. -- Ken Mac OS X 10.8.5 Firefox 25.0 Thunderbird 24.6.0 "My brain is like lightning, a quick flash and it's gone!" |
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"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message ... On Wed, 01 Oct 2014 10:15:48 -0400, Art Todesco wrote: On 9/30/2014 1:27 PM, Seth wrote: Windows 10 http://www.engadget.com/2014/09/30/m...=rss_truncated Funny how Windows 10 looks like Windows 7 with the blocky desktop embedded in the Start menu! I've actually never used W8. :To me, Windows 8 looks more like Windows 7 than Windows 10 does. :That's because I have Windows 8 running with Start8 here. Honestly - I don't see much difference between win 8.1 and 10... |
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"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:
"Don Phillipson" wrote: All local indicators suggest laptops far outsell desktops nowadays (not to mention also tablets.) Leaving aside tablets, which are very different from desktops or laptops, if laptops outsell desktops, I think it's crazy. As far as I'm concerned, almost the only situation when a laptop should be used instead of a desktop is when traveling, because it's smaller and lighter, and therefore easier to carry. In all other respects, a laptop is inferior to a desktop: Besides screen size... The fundamental difference is power. If you're going to use a computer for portability, you don't have the power of a desktop. When I consider games for my tablet, that's comes to mind. Chess might be fun, but it's going to suck the battery dry. I have a feeling that's why the maker of X-Plane abandoned its attempt on the tablet, flight simulation is power-hungry. That goes for lots of games. It's going to be decades before battery technology is up to the task. But tablets are a lot of fun anyway. |
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On Wed, 01 Oct 2014 20:28:24 +0200, "s|b" wrote:
Well, the number spoken English does sound like the German word for "no", and marketing people do take heed of things like that. To be clear, you're talking about the number "nine", which is "Neun" in German. "nein" is "no" in German. Exactly what I said. Say "nine" in English and it sounds very much like the German word for "no". I think Microsoft Windows is known as Windows in every country, so plenty of people would hear it spoken of as "Windows Nine", which to a German would sound like "Windows No", which is hardly encouraging. Rod. |
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Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Wed, 1 Oct 2014 09:31:15 -0400, "Don Phillipson" wrote: All local indicators suggest laptops far outsell desktops nowadays (not to mention also tablets.) Leaving aside tablets, which are very different from desktops or laptops, if laptops outsell desktops, I think it's crazy. As far as I'm concerned, almost the only situation when a laptop should be used instead of a desktop is when traveling, because it's smaller and lighter, and therefore easier to carry. In all other respects, a laptop is inferior to a desktop: It's more expensive to buy It's less upgradable Replacement parts or upgraded parts are move expensive to buy Doing replacement or upgrading is harder and often requires a serviceman It's more likely to have problems, since it can easily be dropped and broken It's more expensive to repair It's more easily stolen The keyboard is smaller and harder to use The monitor is smaller and harder to see Probably other things too, but those are the ones that come to my mind quickly. Also, it's not too easy to have three or four or more hard drives in a laptop. -- A |
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