Why would anyone use Windows 7?

Mike Barnes wrote:
mechanic wrote:
On Wed, 18 May 2016 18:35:10 +0200, Z. wrote:

When I double click on Computer, I get all the drives including C.

Maybe too simple for some on here. No hunting needed.

You're disregarding the hunting needed to *find* "Computer".

IMO "Computer" should always be the top line. But it isn't, is it?


One of the first things I do is put a short cut to Computer on my
desktop. It's done the same way it was done with XP :-)

--
Z.

Wolf K on Wed, 18 May 2016 13:53:31 -0400 typed
in alt.windows7.general the following:
On 2016-05-18 13:06, pyotr filipivich wrote:
Wolf on Wed, 18 May 2016 10:14:46 -0400 typed
in alt.windows7.general the following:
On 2016-05-18 wrote:
Why would anyone use Windows 7,

Because it works.

[snip blather]
When I find I have to stop doing what I'm doing, in order to find
where the next step takes place - that is not "working".

That's software, not OS.

Uuuhhh - when the "what I'm trying to do" is transfer files from
one directory to another - yes, I suppose that can be just a "software
issue". And yes, Operating Systems are software. (It isn't until
you get down the level of the microcode, that you are actually dealing
with the hardware. But that is an entire realm of Deep Majick which I
never got involved in.)
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pyotr filipivich
The fears of one class of men are not the measure of the rights of another.
-- George Bancroft

Mike Barnes on Wed, 18 May 2016 20:07:59
+0100 typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
pyotr filipivich wrote:
Wolf K on Wed, 18 May 2016 10:14:46 -0400 typed
in alt.windows7.general the following:
On 2016-05-18 04:08, wrote:
Why would anyone use Windows 7,

Because it works.

[snip blather]

When I find I have to stop doing what I'm doing, in order to find
where the next step takes place - that is not "working".
When I have a folder full of shortcuts to the various work areas I
have, because Windows has taken to hiding where I am in the navigation
tree, that is not "working".
When in order to get from a sub-directory to the parent directory,
I have to scroll up to Desktop, then open "libraries" then "documents"
then "documents" (another one), then to the parent directory of
"Computer Notes" - that is not exactly "working".

When routines I worked out over the years, no longer function -
that is not "working".

OTOH, the hardware support - 64 bits and dual cores, is
satisfactory.
IOW, the parts I don't see are fine, the part I see all the time -
is not helping.

I don't get it. Are you describing Windows 7 or Windows 10?

Win7. Which is enough of a kludge (IMOSHO) that I really have no
desire to see what weirdness Microsoft considers an "improvement" on
it.
I think I can sum my gripes up as "I run programs, not apps." When
I had to upgrade the OS (and hardware) to run CAD/M software for
class/work I had to switch from XP to Win7 Which so "improved" my
"computer experience" - as I said at the time, it is like deciding to
change the default keyboard to Dvorak (which is "better") and
reorganizing the alphabet according to frequency, and in order to
improve reading,
switch
to
one
word
per
line,
centered
on
the
words.
See
how
much
better
that
is?
(Me neither, but "studies show...")
I want to use the computer to accomplish tasks. Messing about
with the "tools", forcing me to stop and change gears while I attempt
to figure out where things are, and how do I get there - it is much
like having someone reorganize your workshop according to some
"scientific principle" they heard of.
"half" my time is trying to navigate to where I was going, and
then answering the question "Now, what was I trying to do when I
started this?"
--
pyotr filipivich
The fears of one class of men are not the measure of the rights of another.
-- George Bancroft

notX on Wed, 18 May 2016 18:08:04 -0500 typed
in alt.windows7.general the following:
On 05/18/2016 09:14 AM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2016-05-18 04:08, wrote:
Why would anyone use Windows 7,

Because it works.

Not very well, but not quite as bad as the alternatives.

Reminds me of Quicken, I found Quicken 2005 to be such a good
experience, I actually found nothing better. Which is what I used for
the next several years - nothing.

Unfortunately, getting programs to work with a 32 bit OS sometimes
is not an option :-)

tschus
pyotr
--
pyotr filipivich
The fears of one class of men are not the measure of the rights of another.
-- George Bancroft

Mark Lloyd explained :
On 05/18/2016 09:33 AM, BillH wrote:

Having survivied MSDOS 3.1 and many itertions, I observe that there
have been basically two MS operating systems; FAT-based and NT-based.


FAT is a disk format. I suppose you mean DOS.

Otherwise change has consisted mostly of expanded capabilities to keep
up with hardware, bric-a-brac features, and improved (?) cosmetics. As
to XP and later versions, drill down far enough in Windows 7, 8.0, 8.1
and 10, and you find the old familiar XP windows, leading me to
believe these later versions are just XP hopped up and beautified.

[spam snipped]

I think he got it right the first time.

Mike Barnes on Wed, 18 May 2016 22:59:39
+0100 typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
mechanic wrote:
On Wed, 18 May 2016 18:35:10 +0200, Z. wrote:

When I double click on Computer, I get all the drives including C.

Maybe too simple for some on here. No hunting needed.

You're disregarding the hunting needed to *find* "Computer".

IMO "Computer" should always be the top line. But it isn't, is it?

It is one of the "improvements" meant to "enhance" our
"Computational experience".
--
pyotr
Go not to the Net for answers, for it will tell you Yes and no. And
you are a bloody fool, only an ignorant cretin would even ask the
question, forty two, 47, the second door, and how many blonde lawyers
does it take to change a lightbulb.

On Wed, 18 May 2016 19:07:07 +0100, Java Jive wrote:
Sounds like a dead RAM chip, or a PSU that is being overloaded by
extra hardware that has been installed beyond the original spec of the
machine - the latter would be most likely to happen when a hard disk
that has gone to sleep is accessed and has to get spinning again.

Have you done a RAM test?

I've already tried switching the RAM modules and PSU with spare ones. Both
are good. I can't actually check the CPU because I don't any compatible
spare CPU to test. So, since CPUs are less likely to worn out than
motherboards, I figure it's the motherboard that's worn out.

Wolf K on Wed, 18 May 2016 20:34:48 -0400 typed
in alt.windows7.general the following:
On 2016-05-18 20:01, pyotr filipivich wrote:
Uuuhhh - when the "what I'm trying to do" is transfer files from
one directory to another - yes, I suppose that can be just a "software
issue". [...[

Ah, I think I see. Are you using "libraries"? Bad idea, IMO.

As I had no time to "play" with the interface when I had to
change, I skipped the whole libraries "improvement."

I don't have problems transferring or copying files. I create folder
trees that organise the data as I wish, so it's easy to open the source
tree and expand it and open the source folder (right pane), then expand
the target tree, and drag'n'drop from the source to the target folder
(left pane).

Except when it doesn't open the tree in the left frame. I wish I
could include a screen capture of what happens (and that I had some
from XP to compare to).

So if you have problems copying/moving files, I'd say you have a badly
organised and labelled filing system. You'd have the same problems with
Linux or OS-X, I think.

I had a perfectly working directory tree.

But the folder/navigation view in Win7 has a few "quirks" which
break the patterns I'm used to.
Where am I? - Win7 doesn't open the tree to where I am. Nothing
like being in a sub directory, and Win7 is indicating you are no where
near where you are. It is sort of like one of those "You are here"
dots on a mall map - only it is showing you a map of the country. "You
are somewhere in the state of Florida." So how do I get from where I
am, to where I want to be?
--
pyotr filipivich
The fears of one class of men are not the measure of the rights of another.
-- George Bancroft

Wolf K on Wed, 18 May 2016 20:24:31 -0400 typed
in alt.windows7.general the following:
On 2016-05-18 20:01, pyotr filipivich wrote:
"half" my time is trying to navigate to where I was going, and
then answering the question "Now, what was I trying to do when I
started this?"

?????

Example, please.

Okay

Taskbar - shortcut "Goto My Documents"
(%userprofile%\Desktop\Goto MyDocs)
up pops the window, left panel/frame is the "navigation Tree", right
is the list of shortcuts:

AAA Download - Shortcut
Bats Man
cmdpromt.bat
Documents(top)
Save Image as
Wordprocessing - Shortcut.

click on "Save Image As"

The left pane, the one with the tree in it - still has "Goto MyDocs"
highlighted.

Right pane shows the 45 folders and 544 other files
_Temp
Abstruse Goose
Audiobooks
DailyComics
Flicks
HazCheezNet
Scribus
Soundwaves
Time Travelers
W1K

click on "DailyComics" in the right frame
(%userprofile%\Documents\Save Image As\DailyComics)
- the left frame is still showing "Goto MyDocs"
[On a tangent, sometimes when it does get the right sub-directory, it
opens it at the bottom of the left panel, hiding the "current"
directory 'below the fold']

I want to clean up this mess - so I highlight all the files
beginning ss1*
the "simple" way would be to drag them into the appropriate folder
in the left panel. But that is still indicating that I'm "in"
"%userprofile%\Desktop\Goto MyDocs", not %"userprofile%\Documents\Save
Image As\DailyComics"
Now I must stop, and find the folder for "Stone Soup". Seeing as
how "Save Image As" is not visible in the left panel, scroll that view
up - at the top of the panel is "Favorites" - an option which has
never proven really useful to me.
"Scroll" down to Desktop, open it, repeat for Libraries, then
Documents, then Documents again, then scroll down to "Save Image As".
Now, why was I looking for this folder? Oh yes, something in the
right panel - which is now showing the folder tree for "Save Image As"

And now I forgot what I had intended to do for an example.

--
pyotr filipivich
The fears of one class of men are not the measure of the rights of another.
-- George Bancroft

pyotr filipivich wrote:
Mike Barnes on Wed, 18 May 2016 20:07:59
+0100 typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
pyotr filipivich wrote:
Wolf K on Wed, 18 May 2016 10:14:46 -0400 typed
in alt.windows7.general the following:
On 2016-05-18 04:08, wrote:
Why would anyone use Windows 7,

Because it works.

[snip blather]

When I find I have to stop doing what I'm doing, in order to find
where the next step takes place - that is not "working".
When I have a folder full of shortcuts to the various work areas I
have, because Windows has taken to hiding where I am in the navigation
tree, that is not "working".
When in order to get from a sub-directory to the parent directory,
I have to scroll up to Desktop, then open "libraries" then "documents"
then "documents" (another one), then to the parent directory of
"Computer Notes" - that is not exactly "working".

When routines I worked out over the years, no longer function -
that is not "working".

OTOH, the hardware support - 64 bits and dual cores, is
satisfactory.
IOW, the parts I don't see are fine, the part I see all the time -
is not helping.

I don't get it. Are you describing Windows 7 or Windows 10?

Win7. Which is enough of a kludge (IMOSHO) that I really have no
desire to see what weirdness Microsoft considers an "improvement" on
it.

Well your experience is certainly different from mine. I feel right at
home in Windows 7.

--
Mike Barnes
Cheshire, England

pyotr filipivich wrote:
notX on Wed, 18 May 2016 18:08:04 -0500 typed
in alt.windows7.general the following:
On 05/18/2016 09:14 AM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2016-05-18 04:08, wrote:
Why would anyone use Windows 7,

Because it works.

Not very well, but not quite as bad as the alternatives.

Reminds me of Quicken, I found Quicken 2005 to be such a good
experience, I actually found nothing better. Which is what I used for
the next several years - nothing.

I never found anything better than Quicken 6 ("Windows XP Version")
which dates from about 10 years earlier than that. I tried upgrading to
the next version but when I saw the "improvements" I quickly backtracked.

I'm still using Quicken 6 (qw.exe file dated 1997) on this Windows 7
32-bit system, and I wouldn't be without it.

--
Mike Barnes
Cheshire, England

Z. wrote:
Mike Barnes wrote:
mechanic wrote:
On Wed, 18 May 2016 18:35:10 +0200, Z. wrote:

When I double click on Computer, I get all the drives including C.

Maybe too simple for some on here. No hunting needed.

You're disregarding the hunting needed to *find* "Computer".

IMO "Computer" should always be the top line. But it isn't, is it?


One of the first things I do is put a short cut to Computer on my
desktop. It's done the same way it was done with XP :-)

I don't use Explorer for normal file operations, I use Directory Opus
instead. In Directory Opus there's a big toolbar button "Computer",
where I can't miss it. Problem solved.

But that doesn't help when it comes to saving a file. Many programs use
some variant of Windows Explorer to ask me where a file is to be saved.
I want "Computer" to be right there in plain view, but it isn't. For
example I try saving this message to a file and the dialog box shows a
list of suggested locations. "Computer" is the *30th* location on the
list. It should be the first. I never save anything in the 29 other
locations apparently considered more important.

--
Mike Barnes
Cheshire, England

On 19/05/2016 2:14 a.m., Wolf K wrote:
On 2016-05-18 04:08, wrote:
Why would anyone use Windows 7,

Because it works.

[snip blather]

And works very well.

Mike Barnes on Thu, 19 May 2016 04:29:29
+0100 typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
pyotr filipivich wrote:
Mike Barnes on Wed, 18 May 2016 20:07:59
+0100 typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
pyotr filipivich wrote:
Wolf K on Wed, 18 May 2016 10:14:46 -0400 typed
in alt.windows7.general the following:
On 2016-05-18 04:08, wrote:
Why would anyone use Windows 7,

Because it works.

[snip blather]

When I find I have to stop doing what I'm doing, in order to find
where the next step takes place - that is not "working".
When I have a folder full of shortcuts to the various work areas I
have, because Windows has taken to hiding where I am in the navigation
tree, that is not "working".
When in order to get from a sub-directory to the parent directory,
I have to scroll up to Desktop, then open "libraries" then "documents"
then "documents" (another one), then to the parent directory of
"Computer Notes" - that is not exactly "working".

When routines I worked out over the years, no longer function -
that is not "working".

OTOH, the hardware support - 64 bits and dual cores, is
satisfactory.
IOW, the parts I don't see are fine, the part I see all the time -
is not helping.

I don't get it. Are you describing Windows 7 or Windows 10?

Win7. Which is enough of a kludge (IMOSHO) that I really have no
desire to see what weirdness Microsoft considers an "improvement" on
it.

Well your experience is certainly different from mine. I feel right at
home in Windows 7.

Good for you - and I mean that sincerely.

Maybe if I had had the time to play with it, see how all the
innovations worked, rather than having to try to get stuff done day 1.
Fnord, I was busy trying to get class work done, reinstall software,
all the while trying to find where stuff I needed was now hidden (not
to mention having to stop and ask "what is the icon look like on this
computer, to do the common task I'm used to?"
I do not handle some change well. B-)
--
pyotr filipivich
The fears of one class of men are not the measure of the rights of another.
-- George Bancroft

Mike Barnes on Thu, 19 May 2016 04:39:05
+0100 typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
pyotr filipivich wrote:
notX on Wed, 18 May 2016 18:08:04 -0500 typed
in alt.windows7.general the following:
On 05/18/2016 09:14 AM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2016-05-18 04:08, wrote:
Why would anyone use Windows 7,

Because it works.

Not very well, but not quite as bad as the alternatives.

Reminds me of Quicken, I found Quicken 2005 to be such a good
experience, I actually found nothing better. Which is what I used for
the next several years - nothing.

I never found anything better than Quicken 6 ("Windows XP Version")
which dates from about 10 years earlier than that. I tried upgrading to
the next version but when I saw the "improvements" I quickly backtracked.

I'm still using Quicken 6 (qw.exe file dated 1997) on this Windows 7
32-bit system, and I wouldn't be without it.

What fried my socks was that I could no longer track investments -
Quicken just stopped doing that. The rest of it was just -arrgh. If
I have to get an update every N years, do I really "own" the program -
or my data?
--
pyotr filipivich
The fears of one class of men are not the measure of the rights of another.
-- George Bancroft