NVMe M.2 SSD Win7, anyone with experience?

Good day.

Anyone got experience with booting Win7 on an NVMe drive? There are
hotfixes for it for Win7, anyone used them? I'm also wondering if tools
like MiniTool Partition Wizard (bootable DVD) or TeraByte's BootIt will
work with such a drive...

Thanks.
Best Regards,

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On 2016-06-05 18:36, B00ze wrote:

Good day.

Anyone got experience with booting Win7 on an NVMe drive? There are
hotfixes for it for Win7, anyone used them? I'm also wondering if tools
like MiniTool Partition Wizard (bootable DVD) or TeraByte's BootIt will
work with such a drive...

Thanks.
Best Regards,

Really, no one at all? In a few years NVMe is all there will be; you'd
think /someone/ would be using this at the moment (with Windows 7
preferably). Alright, looks like I'll have to wait - I'm not jumping
into this without some sort of community support, lol.

Best Regards,

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B00ze wrote:
On 2016-06-05 18:36, B00ze wrote:

Good day.

Anyone got experience with booting Win7 on an NVMe drive? There are
hotfixes for it for Win7, anyone used them? I'm also wondering if tools
like MiniTool Partition Wizard (bootable DVD) or TeraByte's BootIt will
work with such a drive...

Thanks.
Best Regards,

Really, no one at all? In a few years NVMe is all there will be; you'd
think /someone/ would be using this at the moment (with Windows 7
preferably). Alright, looks like I'll have to wait - I'm not jumping
into this without some sort of community support, lol.

Best Regards,


If you want to buy me one, I'm OK with that :-)

Paul

On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 23:35:24 -0400, B00ze wrotG:

On 2016-06-05 18:36, B00ze wrote:

Good day.

Anyone got experience with booting Win7 on an NVMe drive? There are
hotfixes for it for Win7, anyone used them? I'm also wondering if tools
like MiniTool Partition Wizard (bootable DVD) or TeraByte's BootIt will
work with such a drive...

Thanks.
Best Regards,

Really, no one at all? In a few years NVMe is all there will be; you'd
think /someone/ would be using this at the moment (with Windows 7
preferably). Alright, looks like I'll have to wait - I'm not jumping
into this without some sort of community support, lol.

Best Regards,

Look at the reviews on Newegg. One of them states that it works with
Windows 7. I think you will need to do a fresh install. I am running
this in a dual boot setup with Windows 10 and 7 with Windows 10 on the
drive. I could not clone my Windows 7 disk to the drive.

Hi Take a look at this site. It may answer your questions. Unfortunately I
am not up to date with these drives.

https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/lib...(v=vs.85).aspx

Hope this helps

Robert Brereton wrote:
Hi Take a look at this site. It may answer your questions.
Unfortunately I am not up to date with these drives.

https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/lib...(v=vs.85).aspx


Hope this helps

And an example of some BIOS info, here.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1571271/t...-intel-chipset

Now, why doesn't the NVMe have a config EEPROM
on the device, to provide the code in question ?

Paul

On 2016-06-17 23:58, Paul wrote:

B00ze wrote:
On 2016-06-05 18:36, B00ze wrote:

Good day.

Anyone got experience with booting Win7 on an NVMe drive? There are
hotfixes for it for Win7, anyone used them? I'm also wondering if tools
like MiniTool Partition Wizard (bootable DVD) or TeraByte's BootIt will
work with such a drive...

Thanks.
Best Regards,

Really, no one at all? In a few years NVMe is all there will be; you'd
think /someone/ would be using this at the moment (with Windows 7
preferably). Alright, looks like I'll have to wait - I'm not jumping
into this without some sort of community support, lol.

Best Regards,


If you want to buy me one, I'm OK with that :-)

Paul

Lol :-) They are not so much more expensive than regular SATA SSDs, but
they are 3 to 5 times faster. Newer BIOSes all have support for them.
But then will anything besides Windows work with those? For instance, I
need to partition this before installing Windows, otherwise I'll end-up
with that annoying 500MB boot partition that Windows likes to create to
support BitLocker (which I dont need). Anything based on WinPE Win 8
will not work. My Win7-based DART disk will surely not work, unless I
pipe the HotFix into it (on ToDo list). Also not sure if Linux-based
tools have all been updated (e.g. gPartedEd, PartEdMagic, Minitool
Partition Wizard). And then I like to use BootIt to multi-boot, not sure
if that will work at all. I could always go around the net asking this
question on the forums of every tool I have, but that's kind of a pain...

Thank you.
Best Regards,

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On 2016-06-19 10:48, Paul wrote:

Now, why doesn't the NVMe have a config EEPROM
on the device, to provide the code in question ?

Do we now have what the Amiga called "Auto-Config" (20 years ago) on
PCs? i.e. An eprom that loads into the BIOS address-space and configures
the device for you? PCs have been needing that for ever; I don't think
Plug'n'Play is exactly that...

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B00ze wrote:
On 2016-06-19 10:48, Paul wrote:

Now, why doesn't the NVMe have a config EEPROM
on the device, to provide the code in question ?

Do we now have what the Amiga called "Auto-Config" (20 years ago) on
PCs? i.e. An eprom that loads into the BIOS address-space and configures
the device for you? PCs have been needing that for ever; I don't think
Plug'n'Play is exactly that...

Regards,


The idea was, the PCI config space EEPROM had a BIOS Extended INT 0x13
(interrupt 19) routine, for DOS boot. That's where the BIOS provided
disk services the entire time the OS (DOS) was running. If you had a
RAID card, or even a Promise Ultra133, it could have a config EEPROM.
In the case of the Promise product, the claim by some was, that
the config space info was stored inside the main chip. Which I find
a little hard to believe (combining regular logic and EEPROM
inside the same chip).

If the BIOS modifications in question, are adding a generic
NVMe INT 0x13 routine, that's one thing. But the device should
also have been designed the old way, be autonomous in its
provisioning of legacy support, so the device would work
in more situations. I'm just surprised it's not done that
way. Maybe the introduction of UEFI complicates
matters ? Presumably UEFI still works with older
RAID cards... somehow. Maybe NVMe, the intent is
for it to work in "pure" UEFI environments, with no CSM
at all. There's got to be some (half-assed) reason it
was done this way.

There are plenty of items that don't have config EEPROMs.
And they *could* have added whizzy capabilities if they
wanted. Take, for example, the lowly PCI USB2 card. They
could have written some USB boot emulation codes for those,
such that a user with an older computer that did not have
boot capability at all, could have "pressed control-U" and
brought up a RAID-management-like console and interacted
with devices connected to the USB card. But nobody did that.
Interesting code only exists for a subset of all card types,
so a person could use the excuse that "for NVMe, the dog
ate my homework". But the fact that a BIOS module was
added, a generic module of some sort, shows that just
as easily, that generic module could be purchased from
the developer, and ported to each and every NVMe card.

All we seem to have in computing, is excuses...

Paul

On Sat, 25 Jun 2016 19:11:23 -0400, B00ze wrote:

| Lol :-) They are not so much more expensive than regular SATA SSDs, but
| they are 3 to 5 times faster. Newer BIOSes all have support for them.
| But then will anything besides Windows work with those? For instance, I
| need to partition this before installing Windows, otherwise I'll end-up
| with that annoying 500MB boot partition that Windows likes to create to
| support BitLocker (which I dont need). Anything based on WinPE Win 8
| will not work. My Win7-based DART disk will surely not work, unless I
| pipe the HotFix into it (on ToDo list). Also not sure if Linux-based
| tools have all been updated (e.g. gPartedEd, PartEdMagic, Minitool
| Partition Wizard). And then I like to use BootIt to multi-boot, not sure
| if that will work at all. I could always go around the net asking this
| question on the forums of every tool I have, but that's kind of a pain...

I read somewhere within the past month or 2 that MiniTool Partition Wizard works with
NVMe except on Dell systems for some reason. Also, I suspect the diskpart utility on
a newer Windows installation DVD could handle the partitioning as well.

Larc

On 2016-06-26 18:07, Larc wrote:

On Sat, 25 Jun 2016 19:11:23 -0400, B00ze wrote:

| Lol :-) They are not so much more expensive than regular SATA SSDs, but
| they are 3 to 5 times faster. Newer BIOSes all have support for them.
| But then will anything besides Windows work with those? For instance, I
| need to partition this before installing Windows, otherwise I'll end-up
| with that annoying 500MB boot partition that Windows likes to create to
| support BitLocker (which I dont need). Anything based on WinPE Win 8
| will not work. My Win7-based DART disk will surely not work, unless I
| pipe the HotFix into it (on ToDo list). Also not sure if Linux-based
| tools have all been updated (e.g. gPartedEd, PartEdMagic, Minitool
| Partition Wizard). And then I like to use BootIt to multi-boot, not sure
| if that will work at all. I could always go around the net asking this
| question on the forums of every tool I have, but that's kind of a pain...

I read somewhere within the past month or 2 that MiniTool Partition Wizard works with
NVMe except on Dell systems for some reason. Also, I suspect the diskpart utility on
a newer Windows installation DVD could handle the partitioning as well.

Thanks, I'll go download the newer MiniTool Wizard - But I've already
decided to use a SATA SSD for the time being; by the time I buy the next
PC NVMe will be firmly entrenched (hell, something else will probably
have come up displacing it - I don't upgrade my PCs very often).

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On 2016-06-26 18:07, Larc wrote:

On Sat, 25 Jun 2016 19:11:23 -0400, B00ze wrote:

| Lol :-) They are not so much more expensive than regular SATA SSDs, but
| they are 3 to 5 times faster. Newer BIOSes all have support for them.
| But then will anything besides Windows work with those? For instance, I
| need to partition this before installing Windows, otherwise I'll end-up
| with that annoying 500MB boot partition that Windows likes to create to
| support BitLocker (which I dont need). Anything based on WinPE Win 8
| will not work. My Win7-based DART disk will surely not work, unless I
| pipe the HotFix into it (on ToDo list). Also not sure if Linux-based
| tools have all been updated (e.g. gPartedEd, PartEdMagic, Minitool
| Partition Wizard). And then I like to use BootIt to multi-boot, not sure
| if that will work at all. I could always go around the net asking this
| question on the forums of every tool I have, but that's kind of a pain...

I read somewhere within the past month or 2 that MiniTool Partition Wizard works with
NVMe except on Dell systems for some reason. Also, I suspect the diskpart utility on
a newer Windows installation DVD could handle the partitioning as well.

Larc

Good day. The NEXT version of Partition Wizard will support NVMe
(probably) because they are moving away from Linux and going WinPE. For
now however, it does not support NVME, as I found this in the comments
on their site:

Dean Parmenter

I cannot see NVMe drives with the bootable image.

MiniTool Software Mod Dean Parmenter - a month ago

What is the interface of your NVME drive, currently Partition Wizard is
not compatible with the new interface such as M.2. Only the traditional
interface IDE/SATA can be recognized by Partition Wizard. Regards.

Regards,

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