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NVMe M.2 SSD Win7, anyone with experience?
Good day.
Anyone got experience with booting Win7 on an NVMe drive? There are hotfixes for it for Win7, anyone used them? I'm also wondering if tools like MiniTool Partition Wizard (bootable DVD) or TeraByte's BootIt will work with such a drive... Thanks. Best Regards, -- ! _\|/_ Sylvain / ! (o o) Memberavid-Suzuki-Fdn/EFF/Red+Cross/SPCA/Planetary-Society oO-( )-Oo Ewoks make better burgers! |
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NVMe M.2 SSD Win7, anyone with experience?
On 2016-06-05 18:36, B00ze wrote:
Good day. Anyone got experience with booting Win7 on an NVMe drive? There are hotfixes for it for Win7, anyone used them? I'm also wondering if tools like MiniTool Partition Wizard (bootable DVD) or TeraByte's BootIt will work with such a drive... Thanks. Best Regards, Really, no one at all? In a few years NVMe is all there will be; you'd think /someone/ would be using this at the moment (with Windows 7 preferably). Alright, looks like I'll have to wait - I'm not jumping into this without some sort of community support, lol. Best Regards, -- ! _\|/_ Sylvain / ! (o o) Memberavid-Suzuki-Fdn/EFF/Red+Cross/SPCA/Planetary-Society oO-( )-Oo I! Am! Kirk! Of! Borg! - You! Will! Be! Over! Acted! |
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B00ze wrote:
On 2016-06-05 18:36, B00ze wrote: Good day. Anyone got experience with booting Win7 on an NVMe drive? There are hotfixes for it for Win7, anyone used them? I'm also wondering if tools like MiniTool Partition Wizard (bootable DVD) or TeraByte's BootIt will work with such a drive... Thanks. Best Regards, Really, no one at all? In a few years NVMe is all there will be; you'd think /someone/ would be using this at the moment (with Windows 7 preferably). Alright, looks like I'll have to wait - I'm not jumping into this without some sort of community support, lol. Best Regards, If you want to buy me one, I'm OK with that :-) Paul |
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On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 23:35:24 -0400, B00ze wrotG:
On 2016-06-05 18:36, B00ze wrote: Good day. Anyone got experience with booting Win7 on an NVMe drive? There are hotfixes for it for Win7, anyone used them? I'm also wondering if tools like MiniTool Partition Wizard (bootable DVD) or TeraByte's BootIt will work with such a drive... Thanks. Best Regards, Really, no one at all? In a few years NVMe is all there will be; you'd think /someone/ would be using this at the moment (with Windows 7 preferably). Alright, looks like I'll have to wait - I'm not jumping into this without some sort of community support, lol. Best Regards, Look at the reviews on Newegg. One of them states that it works with Windows 7. I think you will need to do a fresh install. I am running this in a dual boot setup with Windows 10 and 7 with Windows 10 on the drive. I could not clone my Windows 7 disk to the drive. |
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Hi Take a look at this site. It may answer your questions. Unfortunately I
am not up to date with these drives. https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/lib...(v=vs.85).aspx Hope this helps |
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Robert Brereton wrote:
Hi Take a look at this site. It may answer your questions. Unfortunately I am not up to date with these drives. https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/lib...(v=vs.85).aspx Hope this helps And an example of some BIOS info, here. http://www.overclock.net/t/1571271/t...-intel-chipset Now, why doesn't the NVMe have a config EEPROM on the device, to provide the code in question ? Paul |
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On 2016-06-17 23:58, Paul wrote:
B00ze wrote: On 2016-06-05 18:36, B00ze wrote: Good day. Anyone got experience with booting Win7 on an NVMe drive? There are hotfixes for it for Win7, anyone used them? I'm also wondering if tools like MiniTool Partition Wizard (bootable DVD) or TeraByte's BootIt will work with such a drive... Thanks. Best Regards, Really, no one at all? In a few years NVMe is all there will be; you'd think /someone/ would be using this at the moment (with Windows 7 preferably). Alright, looks like I'll have to wait - I'm not jumping into this without some sort of community support, lol. Best Regards, If you want to buy me one, I'm OK with that :-) Paul Lol :-) They are not so much more expensive than regular SATA SSDs, but they are 3 to 5 times faster. Newer BIOSes all have support for them. But then will anything besides Windows work with those? For instance, I need to partition this before installing Windows, otherwise I'll end-up with that annoying 500MB boot partition that Windows likes to create to support BitLocker (which I dont need). Anything based on WinPE Win 8 will not work. My Win7-based DART disk will surely not work, unless I pipe the HotFix into it (on ToDo list). Also not sure if Linux-based tools have all been updated (e.g. gPartedEd, PartEdMagic, Minitool Partition Wizard). And then I like to use BootIt to multi-boot, not sure if that will work at all. I could always go around the net asking this question on the forums of every tool I have, but that's kind of a pain... Thank you. Best Regards, -- ! _\|/_ Sylvain / ! (o o) Memberavid-Suzuki-Fdn/EFF/Red+Cross/SPCA/Planetary-Society oO-( )-Oo C Error #009: FATAL! Portable code found! |
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On 2016-06-19 10:48, Paul wrote:
Now, why doesn't the NVMe have a config EEPROM on the device, to provide the code in question ? Do we now have what the Amiga called "Auto-Config" (20 years ago) on PCs? i.e. An eprom that loads into the BIOS address-space and configures the device for you? PCs have been needing that for ever; I don't think Plug'n'Play is exactly that... Regards, -- ! _\|/_ Sylvain / ! (o o) Memberavid-Suzuki-Fdn/EFF/Red+Cross/SPCA/Planetary-Society oO-( )-Oo I am Ed McMahon of Borg: You may already be assimilated. |
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B00ze wrote:
On 2016-06-19 10:48, Paul wrote: Now, why doesn't the NVMe have a config EEPROM on the device, to provide the code in question ? Do we now have what the Amiga called "Auto-Config" (20 years ago) on PCs? i.e. An eprom that loads into the BIOS address-space and configures the device for you? PCs have been needing that for ever; I don't think Plug'n'Play is exactly that... Regards, The idea was, the PCI config space EEPROM had a BIOS Extended INT 0x13 (interrupt 19) routine, for DOS boot. That's where the BIOS provided disk services the entire time the OS (DOS) was running. If you had a RAID card, or even a Promise Ultra133, it could have a config EEPROM. In the case of the Promise product, the claim by some was, that the config space info was stored inside the main chip. Which I find a little hard to believe (combining regular logic and EEPROM inside the same chip). If the BIOS modifications in question, are adding a generic NVMe INT 0x13 routine, that's one thing. But the device should also have been designed the old way, be autonomous in its provisioning of legacy support, so the device would work in more situations. I'm just surprised it's not done that way. Maybe the introduction of UEFI complicates matters ? Presumably UEFI still works with older RAID cards... somehow. Maybe NVMe, the intent is for it to work in "pure" UEFI environments, with no CSM at all. There's got to be some (half-assed) reason it was done this way. There are plenty of items that don't have config EEPROMs. And they *could* have added whizzy capabilities if they wanted. Take, for example, the lowly PCI USB2 card. They could have written some USB boot emulation codes for those, such that a user with an older computer that did not have boot capability at all, could have "pressed control-U" and brought up a RAID-management-like console and interacted with devices connected to the USB card. But nobody did that. Interesting code only exists for a subset of all card types, so a person could use the excuse that "for NVMe, the dog ate my homework". But the fact that a BIOS module was added, a generic module of some sort, shows that just as easily, that generic module could be purchased from the developer, and ported to each and every NVMe card. All we seem to have in computing, is excuses... Paul |
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On Sat, 25 Jun 2016 19:11:23 -0400, B00ze wrote:
| Lol :-) They are not so much more expensive than regular SATA SSDs, but | they are 3 to 5 times faster. Newer BIOSes all have support for them. | But then will anything besides Windows work with those? For instance, I | need to partition this before installing Windows, otherwise I'll end-up | with that annoying 500MB boot partition that Windows likes to create to | support BitLocker (which I dont need). Anything based on WinPE Win 8 | will not work. My Win7-based DART disk will surely not work, unless I | pipe the HotFix into it (on ToDo list). Also not sure if Linux-based | tools have all been updated (e.g. gPartedEd, PartEdMagic, Minitool | Partition Wizard). And then I like to use BootIt to multi-boot, not sure | if that will work at all. I could always go around the net asking this | question on the forums of every tool I have, but that's kind of a pain... I read somewhere within the past month or 2 that MiniTool Partition Wizard works with NVMe except on Dell systems for some reason. Also, I suspect the diskpart utility on a newer Windows installation DVD could handle the partitioning as well. Larc |
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On 2016-06-26 18:07, Larc wrote:
On Sat, 25 Jun 2016 19:11:23 -0400, B00ze wrote: | Lol :-) They are not so much more expensive than regular SATA SSDs, but | they are 3 to 5 times faster. Newer BIOSes all have support for them. | But then will anything besides Windows work with those? For instance, I | need to partition this before installing Windows, otherwise I'll end-up | with that annoying 500MB boot partition that Windows likes to create to | support BitLocker (which I dont need). Anything based on WinPE Win 8 | will not work. My Win7-based DART disk will surely not work, unless I | pipe the HotFix into it (on ToDo list). Also not sure if Linux-based | tools have all been updated (e.g. gPartedEd, PartEdMagic, Minitool | Partition Wizard). And then I like to use BootIt to multi-boot, not sure | if that will work at all. I could always go around the net asking this | question on the forums of every tool I have, but that's kind of a pain... I read somewhere within the past month or 2 that MiniTool Partition Wizard works with NVMe except on Dell systems for some reason. Also, I suspect the diskpart utility on a newer Windows installation DVD could handle the partitioning as well. Thanks, I'll go download the newer MiniTool Wizard - But I've already decided to use a SATA SSD for the time being; by the time I buy the next PC NVMe will be firmly entrenched (hell, something else will probably have come up displacing it - I don't upgrade my PCs very often). Best Regards, -- ! _\|/_ Sylvain / ! (o o) Memberavid-Suzuki-Fdn/EFF/Red+Cross/SPCA/Planetary-Society oO-( )-Oo Black holes really suck. |
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On 2016-06-26 18:07, Larc wrote:
On Sat, 25 Jun 2016 19:11:23 -0400, B00ze wrote: | Lol :-) They are not so much more expensive than regular SATA SSDs, but | they are 3 to 5 times faster. Newer BIOSes all have support for them. | But then will anything besides Windows work with those? For instance, I | need to partition this before installing Windows, otherwise I'll end-up | with that annoying 500MB boot partition that Windows likes to create to | support BitLocker (which I dont need). Anything based on WinPE Win 8 | will not work. My Win7-based DART disk will surely not work, unless I | pipe the HotFix into it (on ToDo list). Also not sure if Linux-based | tools have all been updated (e.g. gPartedEd, PartEdMagic, Minitool | Partition Wizard). And then I like to use BootIt to multi-boot, not sure | if that will work at all. I could always go around the net asking this | question on the forums of every tool I have, but that's kind of a pain... I read somewhere within the past month or 2 that MiniTool Partition Wizard works with NVMe except on Dell systems for some reason. Also, I suspect the diskpart utility on a newer Windows installation DVD could handle the partitioning as well. Larc Good day. The NEXT version of Partition Wizard will support NVMe (probably) because they are moving away from Linux and going WinPE. For now however, it does not support NVME, as I found this in the comments on their site: Dean Parmenter I cannot see NVMe drives with the bootable image. MiniTool Software Mod Dean Parmenter - a month ago What is the interface of your NVME drive, currently Partition Wizard is not compatible with the new interface such as M.2. Only the traditional interface IDE/SATA can be recognized by Partition Wizard. Regards. Regards, -- ! _\|/_ Sylvain / ! (o o) Memberavid-Suzuki-Fdn/EFF/Red+Cross/SPCA/Planetary-Society oO-( )-Oo It's lonely at the top, but you eat better. |
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