Windows 10 - probably FAQs

These are probably many-times asked, but I've not seen them recently:

The "free 'up'grade" ends around the 29th. If you've downloaded the
(about 3G of) files before then, but stopped them activating, will they
still _run_ after that date? (And activate, and so on ...)

[I have no desire for W10, but being pragmatic, I might - in effect - be
forced into it at some time in the future. The one thing that above all
might force a lot of people - though with a hideous amount of resentment
- would be if service providers, such as ISPs, started to insist on it.]

If it _will_ still run after the 29th, what settings do I have to change
in GWX Control Panel (and the Gibson thing) to (a) let it download, (b)
actually make it download, (c) prevent it from actually _doing_ the
'up'grade?
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

freedom of speech is useless if nobody can hear you.
-- David Harris -- Author, Pegasus Mail Dunedin, May 2002.

J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

These are probably many-times asked, but I've not seen them recently:

The "free 'up'grade" ends around the 29th. If you've downloaded the
(about 3G of) files before then, but stopped them activating, will they
still _run_ after that date? (And activate, and so on ...)

You must activate BEFORE the cutoff. Having the image sitting on a DVD,
flash drive, or wherever but not installed and activated means you have
a coaster after the cutoff date.

[I have no desire for W10, but being pragmatic, I might - in effect - be
forced into it at some time in the future. The one thing that above all
might force a lot of people - though with a hideous amount of resentment
- would be if service providers, such as ISPs, started to insist on it.]

If it _will_ still run after the 29th, what settings do I have to change
in GWX Control Panel (and the Gibson thing) to (a) let it download, (b)
actually make it download, (c) prevent it from actually _doing_ the
'up'grade?

If you are going to deliberately download and install, why would you
still be running the GWX Control Panel tool?

Save an image of the Win7 partition(s) or clone to another drive.
Install Win10. Activate it. Clone an image of the Win10 partition.
Restore the Win7 partition. Then use Win10 later whenever you (but only
on THAT hardware).

VanguardLH wrote:
You must activate BEFORE the cutoff. Having the image sitting on a DVD,
flash drive, or wherever but not installed and activated means you have
a coaster after the cutoff date.

That's assuming they don't extend the offer. Personally, I hope they don't.

--
Z

J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
These are probably many-times asked, but I've not seen them recently:

The "free 'up'grade" ends around the 29th. If you've downloaded the
(about 3G of) files before then, but stopped them activating, will they
still _run_ after that date? (And activate, and so on ...)

[I have no desire for W10, but being pragmatic, I might - in effect - be
forced into it at some time in the future. The one thing that above all
might force a lot of people - though with a hideous amount of resentment
- would be if service providers, such as ISPs, started to insist on it.]

If it _will_ still run after the 29th, what settings do I have to change
in GWX Control Panel (and the Gibson thing) to (a) let it download, (b)
actually make it download, (c) prevent it from actually _doing_ the
'up'grade?

I recommend MediaCreationTool.

As getting GWX to do anything when you want it
to, is pretty hard.

This is the recipe so far, for GWX.

1) Patch up your system enough, so it meets a
few prerequisites. If you just installed SP1 and
are missing 100 updates, I would not expect the
exercise to work all that well. I patched up
to the "non-telemetry set" for this exercise,
so I was still missing maybe 18 or so (at last count).

2) On a Win7 machine, install '664 and '583 from
the Optional Updates.

3) Install IE11. There is a standalone installer, around
50MB or so. IE11 appears to be needed for the
dialog that GWX uses, at a guess. The GWX icon
may not appear at the bottom of the screen, without it.

4) It won't generate a compatibility report, without
a kick in the balls. From an Administrator Command Prompt

schtasks.exe /Run /TN "\Microsoft\Windows\Application Experience\Microsoft Compatibility Appraiser"

Then, after the CPU usage settles down, open the GWX panel
from the icon in the lower right corner, and the
Compatibility Report link should then work. Mine basically
said I had "0 incompatible applications".

I don't know what the next step in this process is, but
I'll add to the recipe if I figure it out. (The download
won't start!) This process is, after all, supposed to be
completely automated. In the same sense as Ikea furniture
is "some assembly required". Although I would rate the
Ikea furniture a bit higher, because it seems they're trying.

Paul

In message , Paul
writes:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
These are probably many-times asked, but I've not seen them recently:
The "free 'up'grade" ends around the 29th. If you've downloaded the
[]
If it _will_ still run after the 29th, what settings do I have to
change in GWX Control Panel (and the Gibson thing) to (a) let it
download, (b) actually make it download, (c) prevent it from actually
_doing_ the 'up'grade?

I recommend MediaCreationTool.

As getting GWX to do anything when you want it
to, is pretty hard.

This is the recipe so far, for GWX.
[detailed recipe here - thanks. Somewhat more complicated than I'd hoped
)-:. And I guess I have to just totally disable "GWX Control Panel".]]
I don't know what the next step in this process is, but
I'll add to the recipe if I figure it out. (The download
won't start!) This process is, after all, supposed to be
completely automated. In the same sense as Ikea furniture
is "some assembly required". Although I would rate the
Ikea furniture a bit higher, because it seems they're trying.

Paul

The one or two times I've assembled IKEA products here in the UK (a
wheeled bookshelf/table, and a dining table), they have gone together
well; certainly far more easily than preparing for the possible
eventuality of Windows 10 looks like being.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Everybody's throwing dinner parties, cooking this, baking that... Food has
eaten television here. - Sam Neill (RT 2014/10/11-17)

On Sat, 2 Jul 2016 18:44:19 +0100, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
The one or two times I've assembled IKEA products here in the UK (a
wheeled bookshelf/table, and a dining table), they have gone together
well; certainly far more easily than preparing for the possible
eventuality of Windows 10 looks like being.


So why do it, then? Are you really so keen to let Microsoft track
your personal data? I don't believe you're one of the nitwits who
think "latest" is automatically "greatest".

--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://BrownMath.com/
http://OakRoadSystems.com/
Shikata ga nai...

In message , Stan Brown
writes:
On Sat, 2 Jul 2016 18:44:19 +0100, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
The one or two times I've assembled IKEA products here in the UK (a
wheeled bookshelf/table, and a dining table), they have gone together
well; certainly far more easily than preparing for the possible
eventuality of Windows 10 looks like being.


So why do it, then? Are you really so keen to let Microsoft track
your personal data? I don't believe you're one of the nitwits who
think "latest" is automatically "greatest".

Sigh. When I started this thread, I included:

"[I have no desire for W10, but being pragmatic, I might - in effect -
be forced into it at some time in the future. The one thing that above
all might force a lot of people - though with a hideous amount of
resentment - would be if service providers, such as ISPs, started to
insist on it.]"

I removed that paragraph from some subsequent posts as it didn't add to
the discussion. I do hope I don't have to put it into every single post.

But to repeat: I have no current intention of installing W10 - partly
for the reasons you give, partly that I just don't want change for
change's sake when something works as it is, well enough for me. I'm
just pragmatic enough to acknowledge that there might come a time when I
have to have it, in much the same way as Windows 3.1 and 9x aren't
_that_ usable nowadays, except for specific uses.

FWIW, my main machine (this one) still runs XP, and does most of what I
want to do with it (even a little video processing, though it's slow at
that - mainly due to being single processor, rather than anything to do
with the OS).

However, let's not get into just another discussion of one version of
Windows against another - which discussion is eventually pointless. I
started this thread in seek of the _latest_ opinion on how to:
1. *get* the W10 upgrade before the time runs out
2. make sure it does not actually *run* until _I_ want it to

along with

3. what do I have to do to "GWX Control Panel" and the Gibson one so
that they will let 1. happen (but not 2 of course).

Paul has come up with his usual detailed response to at least 1 (I think
2 as well); it's just a bit^Wlot more complex than I'd hoped )-:.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

A lot of people think that being skinny is the happy ending, and its not.
Being happy is the happy ending. - Sarah Millican, in Radio Times 3-9 March
2012

En el artículo , Stan
Brown escribió:

So why do it, then?

Beats me.

People lose their faculty of common sense as soon as the word "free" is
mentioned.

--
(\_/)
(='.'=) systemd: the Linux version of Windows 10
(")_(")

In message , VanguardLH
writes:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

These are probably many-times asked, but I've not seen them recently:

The "free 'up'grade" ends around the 29th. If you've downloaded the
(about 3G of) files before then, but stopped them activating, will they
still _run_ after that date? (And activate, and so on ...)

You must activate BEFORE the cutoff. Having the image sitting on a DVD,
flash drive, or wherever but not installed and activated means you have
a coaster after the cutoff date.

That being the case, the rest of my quest is fairly moot. Thanks.

[I have no desire for W10, but being pragmatic, I might - in effect - be
forced into it at some time in the future. The one thing that above all
might force a lot of people - though with a hideous amount of resentment
- would be if service providers, such as ISPs, started to insist on it.]

If it _will_ still run after the 29th, what settings do I have to change
in GWX Control Panel (and the Gibson thing) to (a) let it download, (b)
actually make it download, (c) prevent it from actually _doing_ the
'up'grade?

If you are going to deliberately download and install, why would you
still be running the GWX Control Panel tool?

GWX Control Panel is my _default_ position. I was just wondering what I
have to do to make it _allow_ the download: remove it altogether, or
just change the odd one or two of its settings? However, given the
above, I probably won't be doing it.

Save an image of the Win7 partition(s) or clone to another drive.
Install Win10. Activate it. Clone an image of the Win10 partition.
Restore the Win7 partition. Then use Win10 later whenever you (but only
on THAT hardware).

I agree, if the free 'up'grade can only be not only downloaded but also
activated before the cutoff date, then that's probably the only
solution. To be honest, I suspect I won't be doing it - I still think of
my W7 as a fairly modern machine (it isn't - only 2 cores and 3 GM RAM),
so don't anticipate its demise for some years to come, by when something
else will be flavour of the month, which it won't be capable of running
anyway, and W10 would only be patching an old machine to get a few more
months out of it.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

A lot of people think that being skinny is the happy ending, and its not.
Being happy is the happy ending. - Sarah Millican, in Radio Times 3-9 March
2012

On Sat, 2 Jul 2016 19:29:22 +0100, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Stan
Brown
So why do it, then? Are you really so keen to let Microsoft track
your personal data? I don't believe you're one of the nitwits who
think "latest" is automatically "greatest".

Sigh. When I started this thread, I included:

"[I have no desire for W10, but being pragmatic, I might - in effect -
be forced into it at some time in the future. The one thing that above
all might force a lot of people - though with a hideous amount of
resentment - would be if service providers, such as ISPs, started to
insist on it.]"

Sorry, either I never saw that or I forgot it. I can't imagine an
ISP making such a demand, or enforcing (having any way to enforce) it
if they did, but perhaps that's just a failure of imagination on my
part.

I started this thread in seek of the _latest_ opinion on how to:
1. *get* the W10 upgrade before the time runs out
2. make sure it does not actually *run* until _I_ want it to

FSVO "latest", :-) the How-to Geek published an article about that on
9 May:

http://www.howtogeek.com/253901/get-...ee-after-july-
29th-with-a-little-prep-now/

I'm bound to say that their idea of "a little prep" doesn't match
mine.

--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://BrownMath.com/
http://OakRoadSystems.com/
Shikata ga nai...

On Sat, 2 Jul 2016 19:29:22 +0100, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
3. what do I have to do to "GWX Control Panel" and the Gibson one so
that they will let 1. happen (but not 2 of course).

I don't know about the Gibson one, but GWX Control Panel is easy.

See "I HAVE USED GWX CONTROL PANEL IN THE PAST BUT NOW I'M READY TO
UPGRADE TO WINDOWS 10. WHAT DO I HAVE TO DO?" in the FAQ list at
http://blog.ultimateoutsider.com/201...rol-panel-faq-
frequently.html


--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://BrownMath.com/
http://OakRoadSystems.com/
Shikata ga nai...

On 02/07/2016 11:27, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
These are probably many-times asked, but I've not seen them recently:

The "free 'up'grade" ends around the 29th. If you've downloaded the
(about 3G of) files before then, but stopped them activating, will
they still _run_ after that date? (And activate, and so on ...)

[I have no desire for W10, but being pragmatic, I might - in effect -
be forced into it at some time in the future. The one thing that above
all might force a lot of people - though with a hideous amount of
resentment - would be if service providers, such as ISPs, started to
insist on it.]

If it _will_ still run after the 29th, what settings do I have to
change in GWX Control Panel (and the Gibson thing) to (a) let it
download, (b) actually make it download, (c) prevent it from actually
_doing_ the 'up'grade?

To move to 10, you need to do this:

1) Create a full image of your current installation and also extract the
serial number of your current Windows system using ProductKey

2) Download the latest Windows 10 ISO from Microsoft official website
and burn it on a DVd or create a USB flash drive

3) Install 10 from this media but making sure you are doing a clean
installation. Read the online instructions as sometimes you can miss
the small letters. You don't want to keep anything at this stage
including your documents. Your image has got this.

4) Skip the step where it asks you to insert your serial number. You
don't need this at this stage but if you want to install the
professional version (assuming you have professional 7, 8 or 8.1) then
use this generic key at the outset: VK7JG-NPHTM-C97JM-9MPGT-3V66T


Generic Windows 10 Home
TX9XD-98N7V-6WMQ6-BX7FG-H8Q99
Generic Windows 10 Home Single Language
7HNRX-D7KGG-3K4RQ-4WPJ4-YTDFH
Generic WIndows 10 Pro
VK7JG-NPHTM-C97JM-9MPGT-3V66T
Generic Windows 10 Enterprise
NPPR9-FWDCX-D2C8J-H872K-2YT43


this ensures you have everything installed straight away

4) Once the installation is complete and you have restarted the machine
several times (in my case it was only once but some say it is about 3
times), you are ready to activate the product. You don't need to but
Automatic activation can take some time so best thing is to activate it
manually

5) to activate this, Go to Settings Updates & Security
Activation. See this pictu

Activation
http://content.screencast.com/users/JT19560819/folders/Jing/media/4e2bc52f-9710-4711-97ce-c4f781272066/2016-07-02_2145.png

6) Once the activation is done, you are ready to check for updates and
try it to use it for a few days to see if you like it. But once
Activation is done, create an image of the new installation and keep it
safe. This is your installation for future reference and it contains
everything including your digital license so you don't have to rely on
Microsoft servers.

7) this is the basic steps I have jotted quickly as Germany V Italy is 1
- 1 and it is very important to some of us.

Good luck and let us know if something is amiss in the above steps. You
can now join the 350 million satisfied customers using Windows 10.


--
With over 350 million devices now running Windows 10, customer
satisfaction is higher than any previous version of windows.

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message
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These are probably many-times asked, but I've not seen them recently:

The "free 'up'grade" ends around the 29th. If you've downloaded the (about
3G of) files before then, but stopped them activating, will they still
_run_ after that date? (And activate, and so on ...)

[I have no desire for W10, but being pragmatic, I might - in effect - be
forced into it at some time in the future. The one thing that above all
might force a lot of people - though with a hideous amount of resentment -
would be if service providers, such as ISPs, started to insist on it.]

If it _will_ still run after the 29th, what settings do I have to change
in GWX Control Panel (and the Gibson thing) to (a) let it download, (b)
actually make it download, (c) prevent it from actually _doing_ the
'up'grade?
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

freedom of speech is useless if nobody can hear you.
-- David Harris -- Author, Pegasus Mail Dunedin, May 2002.

I just read this article:

http://www.komando.com/happening-now...ows-10-updates

"If you are within 30 days of your upgrade date, Microsoft included a way to
roll back to Windows 7 or Windows 8.1 if you're not satisfied. Better yet,
if you upgrade before July 29, even if you decide to roll back, your upgrade
is locked in and you could always install Windows 10 at a later date for
free. Check out our how to go back to an older version after updating to
Windows 10 story to learn how."

I might go ahead and image my system, do the "upgrade," make another image
of 10, then restore my computer to 7.

On 03/07/2016 02:18, Steve Hayes wrote:
I carefully backed up my Windows 7 laptop, and left it to update to
Windows 10 overnight. It reported errors, so I left it as it was,

You need to use a DVD to upgrade your machine and ideally perform a
clean installation (wipe the disk and start again with 10) as it works
all the time and Microsoft's insight into about 350 Million devices
currently using Windows 10 has enabled them to write generic drivers for
most common ones. Microsoft couldn't wait for OEMs to support old
machines so Microsoft decided to take the matters into their own hands.




--
With over 350 million devices now running Windows 10, customer
satisfaction is higher than any previous version of windows.

J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:


GWX Control Panel is my _default_ position. I was just wondering what I
have to do to make it _allow_ the download: remove it altogether, or
just change the odd one or two of its settings? However, given the
above, I probably won't be doing it.

It is likely to be manipulating two registry keys.

That means simply removing GWX doesn't guarantee anything.

There is a control called DisableOSUpgrade and there
is another one related to GWX itself. And by using the
buttons in GWX, you'd flip things back to defaults.

GWX doesn't even have to be installed. There is also
a "portable" version. So there isn't necessarily a
tight coupling between the two registry settings
and what you're doing to the GWX panel itself (deleting it).

As for today's recipe posting, the fifth step

5) If you are running Windows Update on manual,
now you can visit Windows Update and there will be
a banner advert and a tick box to start the download.

So that's how it came in. But it did not appear in
Windows Update, until the other steps were completed.
The GWX icon had to be there, you had to click the
button in the GWX panel, but there was no message as
to where to look next. And then, the next time I
visited Windows Update, the banner was present, offering
a Home version download of 2933MB or so.

I've barely finished installing and haven't been playing
with it at all, but there does seem to be a difference in
behavior. On my multi-core desktop, I can have so much
OS maintenance activity, the hard drive is at "100%"
due to just maintenance. Whereas the first check on the
gutless single core laptop, there were little "bursts"
of CPU activity, but they were short lived. Almost as
if the maintenance is "dialed down" a bit, somehow. Now,
if I could only find that control, and switch it ON
on the desktop.

Paul