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Old July 10th 16, 09:38 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Dan[_2_]
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Default opinions on wsus & alternatives such as autopatcher

Hello all,

opinions on wsus & alternatives such as autopatcher please?
I have a legal Win 7 64 SP1 Ultimate license, so if I need to format
and re-install window using the above methods would be easier, safer
and quicker than Win update? Then run Win update as to make sure that
nothing has been missed.

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  #2  
Old July 10th 16, 11:06 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Paul
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Default opinions on wsus & alternatives such as autopatcher

Dan wrote:
Hello all,

opinions on wsus & alternatives such as autopatcher please?
I have a legal Win 7 64 SP1 Ultimate license, so if I need to format
and re-install window using the above methods would be easier, safer
and quicker than Win update? Then run Win update as to make sure that
nothing has been missed.


The "convenience" rollup (so-called "SP2") plus the monthly
rollup after it, are delivered in a different format
than regular updates. Using then after installing
Win7 SP1 DVD, can shave an hour off the sequence.

There is also a Windows patch which fixes Windows Update,
but it may have an IE11 dependency to work properly.
So you'll want to include IE11. Not everyone can
accept IE11 (if your bank won't use it).

So every aspect of patching, is geared towards accepting
the whole enchilada. If you don't like this (and I don't
particularly like it), you can always patch the old-fashioned
way. For the nostalgia trip. I've done a couple Win7
installs in the house here, reviewing the descriptive
text for every one of a couple hundred entries, and
avoiding maybe 10 or so updates that "do not belong".

However, everyone has their breaking point, and the
convenience rollup is certainly attractive.

I don't know anything about Autopatcher. If a "patcher"
developer shares your taste in not accepting non-security
related security patches, then that approach could be
a "marriage made in Heaven". But as long as some of
these approaches use the discrete single-package,
one-at-a-time approach, it does add an extra hour to the
whole sequence.

Lets face it. No matter how you do it, your day is shot!
It's never going to be a 10 minute job, when a gazillion
..NET patches are present.

Paul
  #3  
Old July 10th 16, 12:21 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Dan[_2_]
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Default opinions on wsus & alternatives such as autopatcher

On Sun, 10 Jul 2016 06:06:11 -0400, Paul wrote:

Dan wrote:
Hello all,

opinions on wsus & alternatives such as autopatcher please?
I have a legal Win 7 64 SP1 Ultimate license, so if I need to format
and re-install window using the above methods would be easier, safer
and quicker than Win update? Then run Win update as to make sure that
nothing has been missed.


The "convenience" rollup (so-called "SP2") plus the monthly
rollup after it, are delivered in a different format
than regular updates. Using then after installing
Win7 SP1 DVD, can shave an hour off the sequence.

There is also a Windows patch which fixes Windows Update,
but it may have an IE11 dependency to work properly.
So you'll want to include IE11. Not everyone can
accept IE11 (if your bank won't use it).

So every aspect of patching, is geared towards accepting
the whole enchilada. If you don't like this (and I don't
particularly like it), you can always patch the old-fashioned
way. For the nostalgia trip. I've done a couple Win7
installs in the house here, reviewing the descriptive
text for every one of a couple hundred entries, and
avoiding maybe 10 or so updates that "do not belong".

However, everyone has their breaking point, and the
convenience rollup is certainly attractive.

I don't know anything about Autopatcher. If a "patcher"
developer shares your taste in not accepting non-security
related security patches, then that approach could be
a "marriage made in Heaven". But as long as some of
these approaches use the discrete single-package,
one-at-a-time approach, it does add an extra hour to the
whole sequence.

Lets face it. No matter how you do it, your day is shot!
It's never going to be a 10 minute job, when a gazillion
.NET patches are present.

Paul



Cheers Paul. As anyone who will eventually need to format offline
patching is a God send. Where do I get "convenience" rollup (so-called
"SP2") from? Also afterwards from that is there an offline system of
patching? I have wsus on a seperate hard drive that I keep upto date.
  #4  
Old July 10th 16, 02:16 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Paul
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Default opinions on wsus & alternatives such as autopatcher

Dan wrote:
On Sun, 10 Jul 2016 06:06:11 -0400, Paul wrote:

Dan wrote:
Hello all,

opinions on wsus & alternatives such as autopatcher please?
I have a legal Win 7 64 SP1 Ultimate license, so if I need to format
and re-install window using the above methods would be easier, safer
and quicker than Win update? Then run Win update as to make sure that
nothing has been missed.

The "convenience" rollup (so-called "SP2") plus the monthly
rollup after it, are delivered in a different format
than regular updates. Using then after installing
Win7 SP1 DVD, can shave an hour off the sequence.

There is also a Windows patch which fixes Windows Update,
but it may have an IE11 dependency to work properly.
So you'll want to include IE11. Not everyone can
accept IE11 (if your bank won't use it).

So every aspect of patching, is geared towards accepting
the whole enchilada. If you don't like this (and I don't
particularly like it), you can always patch the old-fashioned
way. For the nostalgia trip. I've done a couple Win7
installs in the house here, reviewing the descriptive
text for every one of a couple hundred entries, and
avoiding maybe 10 or so updates that "do not belong".

However, everyone has their breaking point, and the
convenience rollup is certainly attractive.

I don't know anything about Autopatcher. If a "patcher"
developer shares your taste in not accepting non-security
related security patches, then that approach could be
a "marriage made in Heaven". But as long as some of
these approaches use the discrete single-package,
one-at-a-time approach, it does add an extra hour to the
whole sequence.

Lets face it. No matter how you do it, your day is shot!
It's never going to be a 10 minute job, when a gazillion
.NET patches are present.

Paul



Cheers Paul. As anyone who will eventually need to format offline
patching is a God send. Where do I get "convenience" rollup (so-called
"SP2") from? Also afterwards from that is there an offline system of
patching? I have wsus on a seperate hard drive that I keep upto date.


OK, here is today's sequence.

*******

Install Win7 SP1.

Then look at this one. April 2015 servicing stack first.
Convenience rollup comes second. The convenience rollup will
tell you "not for this OS", if the April 2015 one isn't there
first.

https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/...ows-7-and-8-1/

(To be run in Internet Explorer 6 or later. Site requires
ActiveX support for the next few weeks until it is made
browser agnostic.)

When it asks to allow the ActiveX plugin, let it. That's for
the shopping cart interface.

http://catalog.update.microsoft.com/...aspx?q=3020369

http://catalog.update.microsoft.com/...aspx?q=3125574 (476.9MB!!!)

This is supposed to help Windows Update appear faster. (This
is the old supersedence hack, I don't think the version really
matters a damn.) This is the 53.3MB standalone IE11 installer.

Since IE11 uses hardware acceleration, it will download any
other dependencies while it is at it. If you install this
on totally unpatched system, there is no "progress indicator",
and it will not tell you what it is doing. That's why picking
a time to install this is "tricky". I'm just going to
try it now and see.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/down...7-details.aspx (53.3MB)

Next, you could try June cumulative. You're ordering a copy
of KB3161608, to get KB3161647 WU client patch.

http://www.askwoody.com/2016/an-offi...te-scan-times/

http://catalog.update.microsoft.com/...aspx?q=3161608 (27.6MB)

Now it is time for Windows Update.

Normally at this time, you would be assaulted by a
WU update first (cannot use WU until the WU software is updated).

In addition, there is a Windows Genuine Advantage update (which works
inside Windows Update), which is mandatory. The above install sequence
seems to have installed these already, as there was no nag
when I started WU.

It will take 4 minutes before WU paints the list of updates.

You will find an update in the security updates, possibly
971033, which is unticked, and that's the OS portion of WGA
nag. A user can install that, if feeling particularly sheep-like.

Patch Tuesday is in a couple days time, and maybe by then, a
few of the remaining updates will be packaged in a July Cumulative.
Otherwise, you get to work on the remaining ones manually.

If you see an SP1 update, don't panic. That's a reissue which
is some sort of patch to SP1. Perhaps doing something to the
supersedence or the like. You could still tick that one.

Now you're down to maybe 30 or 40. Some, like the (optional)
Russian ruble symbol patch in fonts, the web page for it lists
some pros and cons, and you have to consider whether some of
these font patches are really worth it. There have been text
rendering problems of one sort or another.

Have fun,
Paul
  #5  
Old July 10th 16, 09:54 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
No_Name
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Posts: 172
Default opinions on wsus & alternatives such as autopatcher

On Sun, 10 Jul 2016 09:16:42 -0400, Paul wrote:

Dan wrote:
On Sun, 10 Jul 2016 06:06:11 -0400, Paul wrote:

Dan wrote:
Hello all,

opinions on wsus & alternatives such as autopatcher please?
I have a legal Win 7 64 SP1 Ultimate license, so if I need to format
and re-install window using the above methods would be easier, safer
and quicker than Win update? Then run Win update as to make sure that
nothing has been missed.

The "convenience" rollup (so-called "SP2") plus the monthly
rollup after it, are delivered in a different format
than regular updates. Using then after installing
Win7 SP1 DVD, can shave an hour off the sequence.

There is also a Windows patch which fixes Windows Update,
but it may have an IE11 dependency to work properly.
So you'll want to include IE11. Not everyone can
accept IE11 (if your bank won't use it).

So every aspect of patching, is geared towards accepting
the whole enchilada. If you don't like this (and I don't
particularly like it), you can always patch the old-fashioned
way. For the nostalgia trip. I've done a couple Win7
installs in the house here, reviewing the descriptive
text for every one of a couple hundred entries, and
avoiding maybe 10 or so updates that "do not belong".

However, everyone has their breaking point, and the
convenience rollup is certainly attractive.

I don't know anything about Autopatcher. If a "patcher"
developer shares your taste in not accepting non-security
related security patches, then that approach could be
a "marriage made in Heaven". But as long as some of
these approaches use the discrete single-package,
one-at-a-time approach, it does add an extra hour to the
whole sequence.

Lets face it. No matter how you do it, your day is shot!
It's never going to be a 10 minute job, when a gazillion
.NET patches are present.

Paul



Cheers Paul. As anyone who will eventually need to format offline
patching is a God send. Where do I get "convenience" rollup (so-called
"SP2") from? Also afterwards from that is there an offline system of
patching? I have wsus on a seperate hard drive that I keep upto date.


OK, here is today's sequence.

*******

Install Win7 SP1.

Then look at this one. April 2015 servicing stack first.
Convenience rollup comes second. The convenience rollup will
tell you "not for this OS", if the April 2015 one isn't there
first.

https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/...ows-7-and-8-1/

(To be run in Internet Explorer 6 or later. Site requires
ActiveX support for the next few weeks until it is made
browser agnostic.)

When it asks to allow the ActiveX plugin, let it. That's for
the shopping cart interface.

http://catalog.update.microsoft.com/...aspx?q=3020369

http://catalog.update.microsoft.com/...aspx?q=3125574 (476.9MB!!!)

This is supposed to help Windows Update appear faster. (This
is the old supersedence hack, I don't think the version really
matters a damn.) This is the 53.3MB standalone IE11 installer.

Since IE11 uses hardware acceleration, it will download any
other dependencies while it is at it. If you install this
on totally unpatched system, there is no "progress indicator",
and it will not tell you what it is doing. That's why picking
a time to install this is "tricky". I'm just going to
try it now and see.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/down...7-details.aspx (53.3MB)

Next, you could try June cumulative. You're ordering a copy
of KB3161608, to get KB3161647 WU client patch.

http://www.askwoody.com/2016/an-offi...te-scan-times/

http://catalog.update.microsoft.com/...aspx?q=3161608 (27.6MB)

Now it is time for Windows Update.

Normally at this time, you would be assaulted by a
WU update first (cannot use WU until the WU software is updated).

In addition, there is a Windows Genuine Advantage update (which works
inside Windows Update), which is mandatory. The above install sequence
seems to have installed these already, as there was no nag
when I started WU.

It will take 4 minutes before WU paints the list of updates.

You will find an update in the security updates, possibly
971033, which is unticked, and that's the OS portion of WGA
nag. A user can install that, if feeling particularly sheep-like.

Patch Tuesday is in a couple days time, and maybe by then, a
few of the remaining updates will be packaged in a July Cumulative.
Otherwise, you get to work on the remaining ones manually.

If you see an SP1 update, don't panic. That's a reissue which
is some sort of patch to SP1. Perhaps doing something to the
supersedence or the like. You could still tick that one.

Now you're down to maybe 30 or 40. Some, like the (optional)
Russian ruble symbol patch in fonts, the web page for it lists
some pros and cons, and you have to consider whether some of
these font patches are really worth it. There have been text
rendering problems of one sort or another.

Have fun,
Paul


Paul, thank you so much for all you do here to help the rest of us. I
keep copies of all your jewels (like this one) in a special folder
named "Wisdom from Paul".

Great stuff!

DC
  #6  
Old July 11th 16, 07:24 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Dan[_2_]
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Posts: 10
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On Sun, 10 Jul 2016 15:54:13 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 10 Jul 2016 09:16:42 -0400, Paul wrote:

Dan wrote:
On Sun, 10 Jul 2016 06:06:11 -0400, Paul wrote:

Dan wrote:
Hello all,

opinions on wsus & alternatives such as autopatcher please?
I have a legal Win 7 64 SP1 Ultimate license, so if I need to format
and re-install window using the above methods would be easier, safer
and quicker than Win update? Then run Win update as to make sure that
nothing has been missed.

The "convenience" rollup (so-called "SP2") plus the monthly
rollup after it, are delivered in a different format
than regular updates. Using then after installing
Win7 SP1 DVD, can shave an hour off the sequence.

There is also a Windows patch which fixes Windows Update,
but it may have an IE11 dependency to work properly.
So you'll want to include IE11. Not everyone can
accept IE11 (if your bank won't use it).

So every aspect of patching, is geared towards accepting
the whole enchilada. If you don't like this (and I don't
particularly like it), you can always patch the old-fashioned
way. For the nostalgia trip. I've done a couple Win7
installs in the house here, reviewing the descriptive
text for every one of a couple hundred entries, and
avoiding maybe 10 or so updates that "do not belong".

However, everyone has their breaking point, and the
convenience rollup is certainly attractive.

I don't know anything about Autopatcher. If a "patcher"
developer shares your taste in not accepting non-security
related security patches, then that approach could be
a "marriage made in Heaven". But as long as some of
these approaches use the discrete single-package,
one-at-a-time approach, it does add an extra hour to the
whole sequence.

Lets face it. No matter how you do it, your day is shot!
It's never going to be a 10 minute job, when a gazillion
.NET patches are present.

Paul


Cheers Paul. As anyone who will eventually need to format offline
patching is a God send. Where do I get "convenience" rollup (so-called
"SP2") from? Also afterwards from that is there an offline system of
patching? I have wsus on a seperate hard drive that I keep upto date.


OK, here is today's sequence.

*******

Install Win7 SP1.

Then look at this one. April 2015 servicing stack first.
Convenience rollup comes second. The convenience rollup will
tell you "not for this OS", if the April 2015 one isn't there
first.

https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/...ows-7-and-8-1/

(To be run in Internet Explorer 6 or later. Site requires
ActiveX support for the next few weeks until it is made
browser agnostic.)

When it asks to allow the ActiveX plugin, let it. That's for
the shopping cart interface.

http://catalog.update.microsoft.com/...aspx?q=3020369

http://catalog.update.microsoft.com/...aspx?q=3125574 (476.9MB!!!)

This is supposed to help Windows Update appear faster. (This
is the old supersedence hack, I don't think the version really
matters a damn.) This is the 53.3MB standalone IE11 installer.

Since IE11 uses hardware acceleration, it will download any
other dependencies while it is at it. If you install this
on totally unpatched system, there is no "progress indicator",
and it will not tell you what it is doing. That's why picking
a time to install this is "tricky". I'm just going to
try it now and see.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/down...7-details.aspx (53.3MB)

Next, you could try June cumulative. You're ordering a copy
of KB3161608, to get KB3161647 WU client patch.

http://www.askwoody.com/2016/an-offi...te-scan-times/

http://catalog.update.microsoft.com/...aspx?q=3161608 (27.6MB)

Now it is time for Windows Update.

Normally at this time, you would be assaulted by a
WU update first (cannot use WU until the WU software is updated).

In addition, there is a Windows Genuine Advantage update (which works
inside Windows Update), which is mandatory. The above install sequence
seems to have installed these already, as there was no nag
when I started WU.

It will take 4 minutes before WU paints the list of updates.

You will find an update in the security updates, possibly
971033, which is unticked, and that's the OS portion of WGA
nag. A user can install that, if feeling particularly sheep-like.

Patch Tuesday is in a couple days time, and maybe by then, a
few of the remaining updates will be packaged in a July Cumulative.
Otherwise, you get to work on the remaining ones manually.

If you see an SP1 update, don't panic. That's a reissue which
is some sort of patch to SP1. Perhaps doing something to the
supersedence or the like. You could still tick that one.

Now you're down to maybe 30 or 40. Some, like the (optional)
Russian ruble symbol patch in fonts, the web page for it lists
some pros and cons, and you have to consider whether some of
these font patches are really worth it. There have been text
rendering problems of one sort or another.

Have fun,
Paul


Paul, thank you so much for all you do here to help the rest of us. I
keep copies of all your jewels (like this one) in a special folder
named "Wisdom from Paul".

Great stuff!

DC



Looks really good and thanks.

 




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