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Is there a database online for the number of shop hours a car repair should take?



 
 
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Old December 11th 17, 03:50 PM posted to alt.home.repair,rec.autos.tech,alt.windows7.general
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Default Is there a database online for the number of shop hours a car repair should take?

micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 10 Dec 2017 19:17:24 -0400, pjp
wrote:

What I dislike about their fixed cost repair arrangements is that if it
doesn't take that long we are giving them money for nothing


I hate to bring up my blown engine again, but when I had my car towed
into the shop last summer, he charged me about $90 for diagnosing the
problem -- that's his standard rate -- even though I figure he knew what
the problem was in 1 minute, just based on the sound.


Presumably you get that $90 refunded when you get an engine rebuild, though.
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Old December 11th 17, 03:53 PM posted to alt.home.repair,rec.autos.tech,alt.windows7.general
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Default Is there a database online for the number of shop hours a car repair should take?

Frank S wrote:
In ,
pjp said:

I'd be surprised if any such page exists that would/could remain valid
for entire country. Too much "local" pressures etc.


A job takes the same amount of time in every part of the country.


Not necessarily.
Around here, brake jobs are easy. Up in Massachusetts where they salt the
roads, brake jobs on the same cars are hellish and take far longer.

I know the paper books exist. It's what shops use to look the time up.
Then they simply charge the time by their shop rate.

It may not exist online - but what I'm asking for is the time.

I just want the flat rate time. Online. If it exists.


Chilton's might have it online, but if so it won't be free. They are not
in the business of giving information out for free.
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Old December 11th 17, 04:29 PM posted to alt.home.repair,rec.autos.tech,alt.windows7.general
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Default Is there a database online for the number of shop hours a carrepair should take?

On 12/11/2017 4:25 AM, Frank S wrote:
In ,
micky said:

I hate to bring up my blown engine again, but when I had my car towed
into the shop last summer, he charged me about $90 for diagnosing the
problem -- that's his standard rate -- even though I figure he knew what
the problem was in 1 minute, just based on the sound.


1. All jobs have an *expected* flat rate time.
2. The flat rate time is published in a manual somewhere.
3. Every shop has access to that flat rate time manual (whether it's
Chiltons or Mitchells or All Data or the factory KSD).

Yes I am fully aware that some mechanics easily *beat* that flat rate time
and some mechanics take *longer* than that flat rate time - but the
mechanics still charge at the same flat rate time.

Yes. I am fully aware that to do a waterpump takes X flat rate time and to
do a timing belt takes Y flat rate time and do to them both does NOT take X
+ Y flat rate time.

Yes. I am fully aware that some shops still charge the X flat rate time
plus the Y flat rate time, while others charge X flat rate time plus
some-fraction-of Y flat rate time.

I'm fully aware of all this.
None of that is the question.

I wasn't aware that there is "dealer" flat rate time and "factory" flat
rate time, but that's just a complication that I can deal with depending on
what flat rate time I do find online.

What I don't know is WHERE to get the flat rate time online.
It might not exist online.

But that's why I ask.



Here you go.

http://www.chiltonpro.com/pub/About_ChiltonPro.aspx

It will cost you and you may need Proof of Pro and login credentials.

Rene


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Old December 13th 17, 03:26 AM posted to alt.home.repair,rec.autos.tech,alt.windows7.general
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On 12/12/2017 8:04 PM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2017-12-12 17:07, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on 11 Dec 2017 09:50:19 -0500,
(Scott Dorsey) wrote:

mickyÂ* wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 10 Dec 2017 19:17:24 -0400, pjp
wrote:

What I dislike about their fixed cost repair arrangements is that
if it
doesn't take that long we are giving them money for nothing

I hate to bring up my blown engine again, but when I had my car towed
into the shop last summer, he charged me about $90 for diagnosing the
problem -- that's his standard rate -- even though I figure he knew
what
the problem was in 1 minute, just based on the sound.

Presumably you get that $90 refunded when you get an engine rebuild,
though.
--scott


It was 4500 for a used engine and 6500 for a rebuilt one.Â* Not worth it,
and he knew it.


That depends on how much additional transportation you buy. As my cars
age, I begin to think in terms of, for example, "this brake job will
cost $450, that's about two months of financing a new(er) car, so if I
get more than two months out of it, I'm money ahead." Which, as it
turned out, I was, because the car wasn't at the stage of bits and
pieces falling off it. :-)


Just to add a little perspective to this topic, 1953 to 1970 I was a
practicing Auto mechanic.
1960 to 1970 I owned my own business in a 2 car service station/garage.
Our labor rates were $6.50 per hour, Increased to $7.00 an hour in 1965
much to the crying and hollering of our customers.
I ran a strictly honest place and had an abundance of loyal customers.
Imperial Oil sold the property in 1970 and I left the auto trade.
Back then I could do a 4 wheel brake job (no extras or complications}
for the sum of $24.00 Shoes and labor On GM, Ford, Dodge or Plymouth.
I moved into the field of power Engineering till I retired in year 2000

Rene


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Old December 13th 17, 04:48 PM posted to alt.home.repair,rec.autos.tech,alt.windows7.general
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On 12/12/2017 9:26 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

1960 to 1970 I owned my own business in a 2 car service station/garage.
Our labor rates were $6.50 per hour, Increased to $7.00 an hour in 1965
much to the crying and hollering of our customers.
I ran a strictly honest place and had an abundance of loyal customers.
Imperial Oil sold the property in 1970 and I left the auto trade.
Back then I could do a 4 wheel brake job (no extras or complications}
for the sum of $24.00 Shoes and labor On GM, Ford, Dodge or Plymouth.


Things have not changed all that much. You can get 4 wheels none now
for as low as $500.
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Old December 14th 17, 07:04 PM posted to alt.home.repair,rec.autos.tech,alt.windows7.general
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In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 12 Dec 2017 21:04:23 -0500, Wolf K
wrote:

On 2017-12-12 17:07, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on 11 Dec 2017 09:50:19 -0500,
(Scott Dorsey) wrote:

micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 10 Dec 2017 19:17:24 -0400, pjp
wrote:

What I dislike about their fixed cost repair arrangements is that if it
doesn't take that long we are giving them money for nothing

I hate to bring up my blown engine again, but when I had my car towed
into the shop last summer, he charged me about $90 for diagnosing the
problem -- that's his standard rate -- even though I figure he knew what
the problem was in 1 minute, just based on the sound.

Presumably you get that $90 refunded when you get an engine rebuild, though.
--scott


It was 4500 for a used engine and 6500 for a rebuilt one. Not worth it,
and he knew it.


That depends on how much additional transportation you buy. As my cars


I'm telling you all, it was not worth it and he knew it. And he said
from his pov, it wasn't worth it. It didn't depend on anything he
didn't know. It's not a 20,000 car, it was a $2800 car and a used
engine would have all the same chance of breaking that the first engine
did. He said the rebuilt engines were rebuilt with better parts than
the original, but it's still 6500. So it wasn't worth it and he knew
it.

age, I begin to think in terms of, for example, "this brake job will
cost $450, that's about two months of financing a new(er) car, so if I
get more than two months out of it, I'm money ahead." Which, as it
turned out, I was, because the car wasn't at the stage of bits and
pieces falling off it. :-)


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Old December 18th 17, 11:30 PM posted to alt.home.repair,rec.autos.tech,alt.windows7.general
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Frank S
news GMT in alt.windows7.general, wrote:

I was told that there is a manual auto repair shops look up to
find the number of shop hours they charge for a job.


It's not a manual per say. It's the cost/quote/job bids/expected
billable hours modules present in atleast two software packages I
know of that provide automechanics intimate details on your
car/truck/suv so that they can make repairs the right way. The
software database information is provided by the various
manufacturers of your ride, so that the repairs are proper and right
for your make/model.

I have alldata and Mitchell myself; which is what most of the shops
use (one or both) to work on your car and properly diagnose issues.
It also tells them how much time each job they need to perform on
your car should take. Billable hours, that is.

Some shops will go ahead and charge you the market value for the
repairs based on the full amount of hours the software told them it
should take, even if they were able to do it a couple of hours
faster. Others do not.

To be fair, I'm told they all charge that many hours even if it
doesn't take that many hours.


The software tells them how long a job should take from start to
finish, yes. it's upto the shop itself though if they want to go
ahead and bill you for the full amount of hours or not.

Where can we car owners get that manual online?


The same places the autoshops who make use of the software can, but,
expect to pay some serious money for the software and have plenty of
storage space available to contain the database. Or, you can opt for
the online version that's subscription based. You can access it from
anywhere you have an internet connection and compatible browser.

If you feel that you're being cheated, and, it sounds like you feel
that way, I'd suggest taking your vehicle to another repair shop and
see how they treat you in so far as billable time goes for the
repairs you request/need performed.



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Old December 18th 17, 11:30 PM posted to alt.home.repair,rec.autos.tech,alt.windows7.general
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Frank S
news in alt.windows7.general, wrote:

In news Rene Lamontagne said:

Try Chilton manuals
, Used to be our source waybackwhen.


The original question asks for a database *online* for the shop
hours for any given job.

I know Mitchells has it in paper manuals but I'm seeking an
*online* source.


A flatrate amount most likely isn't in paper manuals, but the time it
should take a qualified mechanic to do the repair is. As the repair
cost varies from shop to shop and location to location. The shop
owner sets the hourly rate, but, the software tells them how many
hours this or that job should take to complete.

I just want the flat rate time. Online. If it exists.


It doesn't provide a flat rate, it provides the time it should take a
qualified mechanic to do the repair. The shop sets the price they
charge per hour.




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