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Finding a new PC on which Windows 7 can be installed.
Maurice wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jan 2018 20:17:58 +0100, DAN wrote: Keep your legacy on win7, and take the time to discover win10 at your leisure. But that assumes W7 will install/work on new PC. I've already met W10 on my HP probook, and cannot get on with it. But the reason I want to stay with W7 is so I don't have to change video editor and start all over again with a steep video-editing learning curve. I may not have all that much time left... Why wouldn't your video editor work on Win10 ? ******* When I've done upgrades from Win7 to Win10, normally only about one icon gets deleted on my desktop, and all the important stuff still works. Just like before. Some applications like CPUZ, that use things like giveio.sys to punch through security, they get deleted. So any application that's a tiny bit goofy, may get deleted. Doing a backup, then restoring from the backup, means easy "undo" if you don't like the immediate results of that Win10 upgrade test. If your Movie Editor disappeared, you could just restore the Win7 C: again. For example, on Dec.31 (the putative "end-of-free-upgrade" date), I backed up my Win 8.1, installed Win10 as an upgrade, backed up the resulting Win10 C: for a rainy day (not really essential), and then restored my Win8.1. Just to generate the Digital Entitlement on the Microsoft server for later. Now, if I wanted, I could even restore the Win10 C: I backed up, *along-side* Windows 8.1, and make a dual boot. I'm in no hurry today to do that, but someday I might. I've done configs like this before, like having two C: partitions of the same parentage placed beside one another. EasyBCD can be used to put both of them in the boot menu. And the Macrium Reflect Free emergency boot CD can lace together exotic configurations for you too. Only yesterday I used the Macrium CD to "put my Win10 upright again" because of a booting problem. There is an option in one of the menus, to "repair boot". Which worked a treat when Win10 could not fix that on its own. +-----------------+-------------------------+---------------+ | System Reserved | Win7 Upgraded to Win10 | Original Win7 | +-----------------+-------------------------+---------------+ Win10 can put up a boot menu for 10 seconds, so you can select the OS you want at the time. Since it also has a "Default" OS (and an easy way to change it), you don't even have to stand in front of the thing while it boots, to select your "normal-favorite". http://thewindowsclub.thewindowsclub...-options-1.jpg A few of my setups, use this boot menu instead. But I've had trouble getting this one to work on a Win10/Win10 dual boot system. One reason I like this one, is it puts the "F8" option right in your face. Nice. Takes the worry out of "Safe Mode" access. https://www.tenforums.com/attachment...-dual-boot.png ******* As long as you have backup software, you can have fun, and not worry. Win10 upgrades over Win7 are available until around the end of this month (we don't really believe Microsoft on the dates any more, because they've been teasing a close-out on upgrades for quite a while now, in an attempt to get us to upgrade). Paul |
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Finding a new PC on which Windows 7 can be installed.
On 16/01/2018 21:11, CRNG wrote:
Take a look at Dell Refurbished. Another clunker!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You guys need your head examined by a Nigerian witch-doctor. These clunkers are only good for somebody who is going to die within months so for him or her there is no point in buying Windows 10 machine only to find that their death is hastened by learning new tricks!!!!!!! We are talking of old dogs here!!!!!!!!!!!! -- With over 600 million devices now running Windows 10, customer satisfaction is higher than any previous version of windows. |
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Finding a new PC on which Windows 7 can be installed.
On Tue, 16 Jan 2018 15:11:59 -0600, CRNG wrote:
Take a look at Dell Refurbished. I am uneasy about refurbished; I'm looking for a new PC, not a repaired one. Otherwise I might as well replace all the RAM in the current one and keep wondering what will be the nect component to fail. May well be what I finish up doing... -- /\/\aurice (Replace "nomail.afraid" by "bcs" to reply by email) |
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Finding a new PC on which Windows 7 can be installed.
On Tue, 16 Jan 2018 18:13:45 +0000, I wrote:
The $64 question is: Can they supply one with W7 installed?! The reply from Novatech was: "The latest chipsets that we sell will be only Windows 10 compatible, at the current time we do not offer any machines that are compatible with Windows 7 unfortunately." -- /\/\aurice (Replace "nomail.afraid" by "bcs" to reply by email) |
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Finding a new PC on which Windows 7 can be installed.
On Tue, 16 Jan 2018 11:37:58 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:
What version of Pinnacle Studio do you have? Studio Ultimate HD version 14 (2010) Requirements: Windows 7 or XP... No way I can face learning how to use a version 7 years newer! Took me months to begin to make progress with that one! -- /\/\aurice (Replace "nomail.afraid" by "bcs" to reply by email) |
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Finding a new PC on which Windows 7 can be installed.
On Tue, 16 Jan 2018 15:17:37 -0600, Char Jackson wrote:
encourage you to also consider running a 'virtual machine' (VM). I do run VirtualBox, but I would not attempt to use it for video editing. -- /\/\aurice (Replace "nomail.afraid" by "bcs" to reply by email) |
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Finding a new PC on which Windows 7 can be installed.
On Tue, 16 Jan 2018 16:28:13 -0500, Paul wrote:
Why wouldn't your video editor work on Win10 ? Past experience with old software on new MS systems! -- /\/\aurice (Replace "nomail.afraid" by "bcs" to reply by email) |
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Finding a new PC on which Windows 7 can be installed.
On Wed, 17 Jan 2018 16:53:18 -0000 (UTC), Maurice
wrote: On Tue, 16 Jan 2018 15:17:37 -0600, Char Jackson wrote: encourage you to also consider running a 'virtual machine' (VM). I do run VirtualBox, but I would not attempt to use it for video editing. Ok, sorry about that. I only have experience with VMware Workstation and video editing (or anything else) is fine there. I guess VirtualBox is probably different in that regard. -- Char Jackson |
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Finding a new PC on which Windows 7 can be installed.
On Tue, 16 Jan 2018 21:24:11 +0000, Good Guy
wrote: On 16/01/2018 20:19, Stephen wrote: Plenty of refurb PCs and laptops here, many with Win7. So your advice is to buy another clunker to avoid using Windows 10? Are you off your meds? No - I am suggesting a possible answer to the question. -- Stephen |
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Finding a new PC on which Windows 7 can be installed.
Maurice wrote:
On Tue, 16 Jan 2018 16:28:13 -0500, Paul wrote: Why wouldn't your video editor work on Win10 ? Past experience with old software on new MS systems! You can do an "eval" install right now, without having a Win10 key in hand. All you need is a spare hard drive, to *safely* do an install from a freely-available-for-download Win10 DVD. Then you can try Pinnacle. If the EXE doesn't work, right-click the EXE in File Explorer and try the "Compatibility" settings and see if that works. Paul |
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Finding a new PC on which Windows 7 can be installed.
Maurice wrote:
On Tue, 16 Jan 2018 15:11:59 -0600, CRNG wrote: Take a look at Dell Refurbished. I am uneasy about refurbished; I'm looking for a new PC, not a repaired one. Otherwise I might as well replace all the RAM in the current one and keep wondering what will be the nect component to fail. May well be what I finish up doing... My employer leases about 600 Dell floor top computers with a three year lease agreement. Every year about 200 computers are at the end of their three year lease and are returned to Dell. Dell sends them to refurbers. They are good machines for office work, internet, etc., but they are not gaming machines. There is nothing wrong with them. We also lease about 80 Dell servers and about 300 Lenovo laptops but I don't know the lease agreements on those. Lease cost is tax deductible. Buying them outright means amortization over X years and is often not a good idea for small items. |
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Finding a new PC on which Windows 7 can be installed.
On Wed, 17 Jan 2018 13:24:08 -0600, Char Jackson wrote:
I only have experience with VMware Workstation and video editing (or anything else) is fine there. I've no doubt it would work on that, also VirtualBox. The $64 question is: How effectively?! I guess VirtualBox is probably different in that regard. Propably not. I have WinXP running on it here ↓nder Linux, with one or two non-video apps. For raw video power I boot Windows 7. -- /\/\aurice (Replace "nomail.afraid" by "bcs" to reply by email) |
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Finding a new PC on which Windows 7 can be installed.
Maurice wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jan 2018 13:24:08 -0600, Char Jackson wrote: I only have experience with VMware Workstation and video editing (or anything else) is fine there. I've no doubt it would work on that, also VirtualBox. The $64 question is: How effectively?! I guess VirtualBox is probably different in that regard. Propably not. I have WinXP running on it here ↓nder Linux, with one or two non-video apps. For raw video power I boot Windows 7. If a video editor uses the video card for "Acceleration", VirtualBox has a less-than-perfect DirectX emulation path to get to the card. As a consequence, if the video editor is making DXVA calls, they might not get through. This is just a keyword that comes to mine - there may be more of these things. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DXVA I've only ever had one VM Hosting software, that offered perfectly transparent access to a host video card. It's because the video card type could be guaranteed to not be busy at the time, so the hosting software could pass it through to the Guest and let the Guest use it. The reason this works, is the card was Voodoo family, and the video method was VGA Overlay. No other hosting software since, has offered such a capability. VirtualBox comes closest, with its "Experimental DirectX" support, but that's not the same thing as exposing the entire card for usage. VirtualBox may not give you access to the video encoder and decoder blocks for example. It's not clear to me that they're actively working the issue either. I see artifacts that never seem to get fixed. Paul |
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Finding a new PC on which Windows 7 can be installed.
On 1/15/2018 10:35 AM, Maurice scribbled: Wanting to replace my 8-year-old desktop with one that also has W7 installed, but difficult to find. The UK PC supplier from whom I bought the current one has replied: "No modern CPUs support anything other than windows 10 and, thus, you will find a huge range of either glitches, crashes or simple failures to install the OS. Your best option would be to maybe save money and go through a third party for a cheap windows 10 key. Unfortunately no new, modern system would work on windows 7; regardless of manufacturer." Anyone in UK know of availability of a 'modern' PC that has (or can have) W7 installed? This is maloky get a new one, erase the hard drive Format it. Then put on the op system you want. What I dont get, is why anyone wanting to stay with windows, except the software problem. I use 6.1, have an old dell, it has it on it and it was an xp machine. iT ALSO RUNS UNIX. It does not matter the cpu. wipe it out, install what you want. But first, I would be very careful of what you buy. Most of it is trash today. i THINK, IF IT WERE ME, i WOULD BUILD MY OWN USING A SUPPLIER. lIKE tIGER DIRECT |
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