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Hi ultra_Classic,
Thanks, I will be able to try all these suggestions tomorrow. I really do appreciate all the good suggestions and help, I hope one of them works too! I really do not want to wipe out my HDD until I have tried all I can to get in there and get the docs I am after. That's going to have to be the last resort....I am a bit stubborn when I am trying to find a solution to a problem. Also, thanks for the link to the spec sheet. I will certainly post back to everyone and let you know what happens. This is a great place to find solutions! I did have an emergency Norton disk, but I have not been able to find it since a recent move. I do have a Norton CD which I tried to boot from and it ran a scan and did not detect anything, but I still could not reach the C prompt with it. I get an "invalid drive specification" message. I have checked the BIOS and the HDD is recognised, so I am hoping that is a good sign. I also went in and displayed the partition information...looked okay there. If I could just get to the C prompt I was going to try to find the dir my docs are in and try to copy them to disk that way. Then just FDISK, reformat the HDD and reload from the restore cds that came with the pc, and run a virus scan. Someone on this discussion also suggested I use another HDD to jump to the existing HDD by attaching it as a master and setting the existing as a slave. The other HDD I would be able to get a hold of and use does not have Win XP OS on it, it has Win ME. Can you tell me if that would that create a software conflict if I tried that? I do know that the existing drive is NTFS. As to your virus roll suggestion, sorry not that knowledgable....how would I do that? Thanks again! -- nlee788 "ultra_classic" wrote: "nlee788" wrote: ultra_Classic, Sorry I did not answer the question as to recent hardware or software upgrade. No I have not upgraded at all in the two years I have had it. I was actually looking for memory last week. But I have not even cracked the case open. Thank you. Greetings nlee788, Glad you are hanging in there. Just a thought .... you have Norton AV 2005. Good.... did you make an Emergency Boot disk as they suggested when you installed Norton? Better yet did they give one? I am not familiar with Norton but can their CD be used as an Emergency Boot Disk in case of a virus attack? Open your side cover and check the inside for DUST! Believe it or not but damp dust can stop you cold. Blow out under, around, and on the motherboard, also check and clean the fan/heatsink on the CPU. Check the fan on the power supply and clean it too. If nothing suggested helps, consider a virus :roll: Here is a spec sheet and list of memory and upgrade parts for your machine. http://www.pcfactoryoutlet.com/defau....201&storeID=4 Use drop down menus on left and select Mfg. and then the Model Also here is a site that us eMachiners use...register and have a look. http://s2.invisionfree.com/emachineupgraders/index.php? You have gotten a lot of solid suggestions on this forum from everyone. I hope that one works out for you. Post back to this thread and let us know how you are doing. Your post with a solution may help someone else. Best of luck, ultra_classic |
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"nlee788" wrote:
Hi ultra_Classic, Thanks, I will be able to try all these suggestions tomorrow. I really do appreciate all the good suggestions and help, I hope one of them works too! I really do not want to wipe out my HDD until I have tried all I can to get in there and get the docs I am after. That’s going to have to be the last resort....I am a bit stubborn when I am trying to find a solution to a problem. Also, thanks for the link to the spec sheet. I will certainly post back to everyone and let you know what happens. This is a great place to find solutions! I did have an emergency Norton disk, but I have not been able to find it since a recent move. I do have a Norton CD which I tried to boot from and it ran a scan and did not detect anything, but I still could not reach the C prompt with it. I get an "invalid drive specification" message. I have checked the BIOS and the HDD is recognised, so I am hoping that is a good sign. I also went in and displayed the partition information...looked okay there. If I could just get to the C prompt I was going to try to find the dir my docs are in and try to copy them to disk that way. Then just FDISK, reformat the HDD and reload from the restore cds that came with the pc, and run a virus scan. Someone on this discussion also suggested I use another HDD to jump to the existing HDD by attaching it as a master and setting the existing as a slave. The other HDD I would be able to get a hold of and use does not have Win XP OS on it, it has Win ME. Can you tell me if that would that create a software conflict if I tried that? I do know that the existing drive is NTFS. As to your virus roll suggestion, sorry not that knowledgable....how would I do that? Thanks again! Greetings nlee, The more you post the more your situation points to a hardware issue. If you blow all the dust out, clean the fans/heatsink etc. and it’s still a no go, I would again suggest pulling out the Memory stick and getting it tested, along with the voltages on the power supply prior to wiping the drive. At this point you have nothing to lose. I believe what Jupiter was referring to was taking the HD from the computer with the problem and going to another working computer (should have WIN XP) and attaching it as a ’slave’ so it could be accessed and your files copied. I believe your current drive uses NTFS (New Technology File System) because of the WIN XP. I’m not sure if the WIN ME uses the NTFS file system or the FAT32 (File Allocation Table 32) like WIN98SE. This would create a problem for you. Hopefully both drives are formatted using the same file system. Remember that NTFS can read a FAT32 slave drive but not the other way around. Please let us know how you make out. Best of luck, ultra_classic -- Posted using the http://www.windowsforumz.com interface, at author's request Articles individually checked for conformance to usenet standards Topic URL: http://www.windowsforumz.com/Help---...ict553560.html Visit Topic URL to contact author (reg. req'd). Report abuse: http://www.windowsforumz.com/eform.php?p=1760218 |
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Hello there. I've encountered the same problem. My XP Home Edition with SP2 is also stuck in an endless loop which started on July 6th. I tried booting in Safe Mode and all that but have had no luck. I hooked up an older computer to the internet and searched for a solution, stumbling upon this forum. I followed the advice below, but I'm confused about the MBR issue. I used the Setup Boot Disks (It required six.), and when I got to the screen for the repair I pressed "R". Then it asked for the administrator's password. I left it blank, but that was okay. Then I typed "fixmbr" - that was what I was able to gather from your link below explaining about the MBR. Now the computer is asking me if I want to write a new MBR. I don't know how to do this. I'm afriad I'm going to destroy all chances of recovering my computer if I proceed blindly like this. Please advise me how to proceed. Should I type "Y" or "N"? If I type "Y", what will be the next step? Thanks for your advice. Oh, by the way, the link you listed was for XP Professional. I don't know if that matters, but anyway I couldn't figure out what I should do next.
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"kyle" wrote in message ... Hello there. I've encountered the same problem. My XP Home Edition with SP2 is also stuck in an endless loop which started on July 6th. I tried booting in Safe Mode and all that but have had no luck. I hooked up an older computer to the internet and searched for a solution, stumbling upon this forum. I followed the advice below, but I'm confused about the MBR issue. I used the Setup Boot Disks (It required six.), and when I got to the screen for the repair I pressed "R". Then it asked for the administrator's password. I left it blank, but that was okay. Then I typed "fixmbr" - that was what I was able to gather from your link below explaining about the MBR. Now the computer is asking me if I want to write a new MBR. I don't know how to do this. I'm afriad I'm going to destroy all chances of recovering my computer if I proceed blindly like this. Please advise me how to proceed. Should I type "Y" or "N"? If I type "Y", what will be the next step? Thanks for your advice. Oh, by the way, the link you listed was for XP Professional. I don't know if that matters, but anyway I couldn't figure out what I should do next. - Kyle Hi Kyle never thought about that statement being misleading ie asking if I want to write a new MBR. Don't worry you don't write the MBR the operating system does that for you. Chelsea |
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I typed Y to write a new MBR. Suddenly I got a blue screen with a message "A problem has been detected and Windows has been shut down to prevent damage to your computer." Then it listed "Technical Information:
*** STOP: 0x0000008E (0xC0000005, 0x80882211, 0xF93DEEBC, 0x00000000)". I restarted the computer, and it went into the endless loop of trying to boot Windows, failing, and restarting. I restarted with the Boot Disks again and got to the Recovery Console and went through all the steps of fixmbr and hit Y again. This time it said that a new Boot Record was successfully written. I typed "Exit" at the C:\windows\ prompt, and the computer restarted, but unfortunately it went back into the endless loop again. I tried restarting in Safe Mode, but it still won't boot up Windows. If you have any other advice, it would be greatly appreciated. By the way, my computer had up-to-date active anti-virus software running prior to all the trouble. -Kyle |
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"kyle" wrote in message ... I typed Y to write a new MBR. Suddenly I got a blue screen with a message "A problem has been detected and Windows has been shut down to prevent damage to your computer." Then it listed "Technical Information: *** STOP: 0x0000008E (0xC0000005, 0x80882211, 0xF93DEEBC, 0x00000000)". I restarted the computer, and it went into the endless loop of trying to boot Windows, failing, and restarting. I restarted with the Boot Disks again and got to the Recovery Console and went through all the steps of fixmbr and hit Y again. This time it said that a new Boot Record was successfully written. I typed "Exit" at the C:\windows\ prompt, and the computer restarted, but unfortunately it went back into the endless loop again. I tried restarting in Safe Mode, but it still won't boot up Windows. If you have any other advice, it would be greatly appreciated. By the way, my computer had up-to-date active anti-virus software running prior to all the trouble. -Kyle Hi Kyle, Sorry to hear it didn't work. I need you to run a little experiment for me. If this allows you to get into Windows XP it is not fixed, but we will get a good indication of what is wrong. I want you to slightly modify Disk 6 of the recovery console boot disks On a working PC open notepad and type dcpromo then save the text file as dcpromo.log onto Disk 6, which will need to be in your diskette drive On the machine that will not start properly use the recovery disks to enter the recovery console as before. In the Recovery Console type the following at the prompt copy a:\dcpromo.log c:\windows\debug attrib +R c:\windows\debug\dcpromo.log There will not be acknowledgement that anything much has happened, but you should just be returned to the prompt without any error message. Now exit the recovery console and reboot Windows from the hard disk. Tell me if that allows you to get into Windows. If it does remember this is not fixed!!!! Chelsea You cannot start in Safe Mode is that correct? |
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I copied the dcpromo.log onto Disk 6 as you advised. I booted up with the disks and got to the Recovery Console. I typed the commands as you advised. Unfortunately, the computer said it couldn't find the file. I double-checked the disk using the other computer. The file dcpromo.log definitely exists. I exited, and as before my computer went into its loop. And it won't boot up Windows in Safe Mode, either. Oh well. . . . Looking forward to your reply.
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"kyle" wrote in message ... I copied the dcpromo.log onto Disk 6 as you advised. I booted up with the disks and got to the Recovery Console. I typed the commands as you advised. Unfortunately, the computer said it couldn't find the file. I double-checked the disk using the other computer. The file dcpromo.log definitely exists. I exited, and as before my computer went into its loop. And it won't boot up Windows in Safe Mode, either. Oh well. . . Looking forward to your reply. Kyle Hello Kyle, I am foxed as to why that doesn't work. The dcpromo.log file is normally installed from within Windows, but as you are unable to get into Windows, I modified things to use the Recovery Console. If you would be prepared to persevere with this a little and can face another 10 minutes of tedium with the recovery console try this. Incidently I just tried this on a laptop using a USB A drive and can assure you it does work. In the Recovery Console type the following at the c:\windows prompt With diskette 6 in the drive type a: then type dir-can you see dcpromo.log on the diskette? Now type copy dcpromo.log c:\windows\debug Type c: and return -that takes you back to c:\windows prompt Finally type attrib +r c:\windows\debug\dcpromo.log Type exit Remove the diskette from the 3.5 inch drive and see what happens when Windows restarts. What I am trying to do is plug a vulnerability in the lsass service, which I think may be crashing everytime you start Windows. This is well known and causes the infinite loop that you are experiencing. So lets see how it goes. Chelsea |
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"kyle" wrote:
I typed Y to write a new MBR. Suddenly I got a blue screen with a message "A problem has been detected and Windows has been shut down to prevent damage to your computer." Then it listed "Technical Information: *** STOP: 0x0000008E (0xC0000005, 0x80882211, 0xF93DEEBC, 0x00000000)". I restarted the computer, and it went into the endless loop of trying to boot Windows, failing, and restarting. I restarted with the Boot Disks again and got to the Recovery Console and went through all the steps of fixmbr and hit Y again. This time it said that a new Boot Record was successfully written. I typed "Exit" at the C:\windows\ prompt, and the computer restarted, but unfortunately it went back into the endless loop again. I tried restarting in Safe Mode, but it still won’t boot up Windows. If you have any other advice, it would be greatly appreciated. By the way, my computer had up-to-date active anti-virus software running prior to all the trouble. -Kyle Greetings Kyle, Boy, this problem seems to be an epidemic lately. Here is MS explanation of the latest error. I hope it helps somewhat. :arrow: http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=315335&sd=RMVP also :arrow: http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/de...b81455.xml.asp Let us know how you are progressing. We are getting ready for a hurricane here so I’ll be in and out. Best of luck, ultra_classic -- Posted using the http://www.windowsforumz.com interface, at author's request Articles individually checked for conformance to usenet standards Topic URL: http://www.windowsforumz.com/Help---...ict553560.html Visit Topic URL to contact author (reg. req'd). Report abuse: http://www.windowsforumz.com/eform.php?p=1762650 |
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"Greg Ro" wrote in message ... I had all the problems on my emachine. I fixed it by getting windows 98se bootdisk with fdisk on it. www.bootdisk.com (Note-you may need to change the bios to boot to the floppy first) Does not matter if you disk is formated as NTFS-Still works. Let it boot up. Type fdisk /mbr Remove floppy. Restart. Hi Greg thanks for the suggestion but fdisk/mbr is really the same as using the Recovery Console and the command FixMbr which doesn't work. This is really a difficult one to repair I'm afraid. Chelsea |
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Hello everyone,
Well, I spent the entire weekend trying to get into my hard drive--with no success. Since I was planning on upgrading my memory anyway, rather than trying to find a place around here to test the memory stick originally installed, I bought a new one and installed it. Still the same problem. I downloaded the installation disks from the MS site and tried to rewrite the MBR, got a success message. I do not have a full win xp installation disk so when after installing the setup files, it asked for the win xp cd....I was out of luck. I dug around and found an old pc of mine, but it had win me os on it, so though the system bios recognised the "sick" HDD slaved to the good HDD in the bios, I could not see it in the Win ME. So I went out and bought the Win xp home edition upgrade disk and upgraded the HDD from the old pc I had and slaved the "sick" HDD to the upgraded HDD and installed them both in the emachine, thinking I could get my files ( I also ran Norton 2005 anti virus.... it sound nothing). The emachine boots just fine from the upgraded HDD and I was able to see the "sick" HDD. BUT I cannot find any files. I went to the prompt and typed the drive letter to the sick drive and typed DIR. When I type DIR, there are no windows files, no program files, no doc file names. I ran a search in in Windows in the sick HDD using file names and it does not find anything. I think whatever attacked it corrupted everything and wiped out windows. The funny thing is, this is a 40GB HDD and Windows XP is reading it as a 10 GB. It doesn't look like I am going to be able to recover my documents...at least I am more at a loss at this point. I still have not reformatted the sick drive, so if by some chance someone has any last ditch magic to recover the data, I am still open to sugggestions. I do want to thank everyone for the great suggestions and the help. I will be coming back and posting. -- nlee788 "Chelsea" wrote: "kyle" wrote in message ... I copied the dcpromo.log onto Disk 6 as you advised. I booted up with the disks and got to the Recovery Console. I typed the commands as you advised. Unfortunately, the computer said it couldn't find the file. I double-checked the disk using the other computer. The file dcpromo.log definitely exists. I exited, and as before my computer went into its loop. And it won't boot up Windows in Safe Mode, either. Oh well. . . Looking forward to your reply. Kyle Hello Kyle, I am foxed as to why that doesn't work. The dcpromo.log file is normally installed from within Windows, but as you are unable to get into Windows, I modified things to use the Recovery Console. If you would be prepared to persevere with this a little and can face another 10 minutes of tedium with the recovery console try this. Incidently I just tried this on a laptop using a USB A drive and can assure you it does work. In the Recovery Console type the following at the c:\windows prompt With diskette 6 in the drive type a: then type dir-can you see dcpromo.log on the diskette? Now type copy dcpromo.log c:\windows\debug Type c: and return -that takes you back to c:\windows prompt Finally type attrib +r c:\windows\debug\dcpromo.log Type exit Remove the diskette from the 3.5 inch drive and see what happens when Windows restarts. What I am trying to do is plug a vulnerability in the lsass service, which I think may be crashing everytime you start Windows. This is well known and causes the infinite loop that you are experiencing. So lets see how it goes. Chelsea |
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Hi Greg Ro,
I have been having similar problems to Kyle's. I went to the www.bootdisk.com site you posted, and I saw a utility called Active NTFS Reader. Would this possibly let me read and access the files on the HDD I am having trouble finding my documents on? I have slaved it to another HDD, but the files are not accessable or readable. Thnaks. -- nlee788 "Greg Ro" wrote: I had all the problems on my emachine. I fixed it by getting windows 98se bootdisk with fdisk on it. www.bootdisk.com (Note-you may need to change the bios to boot to the floppy first) Does not matter if you disk is formated as NTFS-Still works. Let it boot up. Type fdisk /mbr Remove floppy. Restart. Greg R |
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Hi Nlee
Check that the PC Bios is recognising your hard disk correctly? ie as 40GB Chelsea "nlee788" wrote in message ... Hello everyone, Well, I spent the entire weekend trying to get into my hard drive--with no success. Since I was planning on upgrading my memory anyway, rather than trying to find a place around here to test the memory stick originally installed, I bought a new one and installed it. Still the same problem. I downloaded the installation disks from the MS site and tried to rewrite the MBR, got a success message. I do not have a full win xp installation disk so when after installing the setup files, it asked for the win xp cd....I was out of luck. I dug around and found an old pc of mine, but it had win me os on it, so though the system bios recognised the "sick" HDD slaved to the good HDD in the bios, I could not see it in the Win ME. So I went out and bought the Win xp home edition upgrade disk and upgraded the HDD from the old pc I had and slaved the "sick" HDD to the upgraded HDD and installed them both in the emachine, thinking I could get my files ( I also ran Norton 2005 anti virus.... it sound nothing). The emachine boots just fine from the upgraded HDD and I was able to see the "sick" HDD. BUT I cannot find any files. I went to the prompt and typed the drive letter to the sick drive and typed DIR. When I type DIR, there are no windows files, no program files, no doc file names. I ran a search in in Windows in the sick HDD using file names and it does not find anything. I think whatever attacked it corrupted everything and wiped out windows. The funny thing is, this is a 40GB HDD and Windows XP is reading it as a 10 GB. It doesn't look like I am going to be able to recover my documents...at least I am more at a loss at this point. I still have not reformatted the sick drive, so if by some chance someone has any last ditch magic to recover the data, I am still open to sugggestions. I do want to thank everyone for the great suggestions and the help. I will be coming back and posting. -- nlee788 "Chelsea" wrote: "kyle" wrote in message ... I copied the dcpromo.log onto Disk 6 as you advised. I booted up with the disks and got to the Recovery Console. I typed the commands as you advised. Unfortunately, the computer said it couldn't find the file. I double-checked the disk using the other computer. The file dcpromo.log definitely exists. I exited, and as before my computer went into its loop. And it won't boot up Windows in Safe Mode, either. Oh well. . . Looking forward to your reply. Kyle Hello Kyle, I am foxed as to why that doesn't work. The dcpromo.log file is normally installed from within Windows, but as you are unable to get into Windows, I modified things to use the Recovery Console. If you would be prepared to persevere with this a little and can face another 10 minutes of tedium with the recovery console try this. Incidently I just tried this on a laptop using a USB A drive and can assure you it does work. In the Recovery Console type the following at the c:\windows prompt With diskette 6 in the drive type a: then type dir-can you see dcpromo.log on the diskette? Now type copy dcpromo.log c:\windows\debug Type c: and return -that takes you back to c:\windows prompt Finally type attrib +r c:\windows\debug\dcpromo.log Type exit Remove the diskette from the 3.5 inch drive and see what happens when Windows restarts. What I am trying to do is plug a vulnerability in the lsass service, which I think may be crashing everytime you start Windows. This is well known and causes the infinite loop that you are experiencing. So lets see how it goes. Chelsea |
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After typing "dir" at the A: prompt, I see dcpromo.log.txt listed as one of the files. I typed "copy dcpromo.log c:\windows\debug", but once again it said it can't locate the file. I'm wondering if this is because on the drive it's being listed as dcpromo.log.txt. I took the disk and put it in the other computer. I checked the file name, which is dcpromo.log. Then I checked its properties. It's attribute is Archive. And its msdos name is dcpromo.log.txt. Should I change my command line to "copy dcpromo.log.txt c:\windows\debug"? I tried renaming the file with no success.
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"kyle" wrote in message ... After typing "dir" at the A: prompt, I see dcpromo.log.txt listed as one of the files. I typed "copy dcpromo.log c:\windows\debug", but once again it said it can't locate the file. I'm wondering if this is because on the drive it's being listed as dcpromo.log.txt. I took the disk and put it in the other computer. I checked the file name, which is dcpromo.log. Then I checked its properties. It's attribute is Archive. And its msdos name is dcpromo.log.txt. Should I change my command line to "copy dcpromo.log.txt c:\windows\debug"? I tried renaming the file with no success. -Kyle Hi Kyle, that is really weird Kyle. The msdos name, dcpromo.log.txt, is the reason why the copy command is not working in the Recovery Console and it would almost certainly copy if you used copy dcpromo.log.txt c:\windows\debug But that is not any good because its the presence of a file with the name dcpromo.log that blocks the vulnerability in the Lsass process. I will see if I can find out why this name issue is occuring. Trouble is Kyle this was intended as a test and Lsass may not be your problem, particularly as you have SP2 installed. I'm conscious of the time this is taking you so maybe a different approach is needed here.Consider this http://www.webtree.ca/windowsxp/repair_xp.htm and select how to run a repair install from the list. Might be worth a go. Remember to disconnect your machine from the Internet if you do this and after the repair-if Windows starts reapply SP2 before reconnecting to the Internet. Also reapply all hotfixes released after SP2. Good luck Kyle Chelsea |
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