Upgrade W7 Pro to W10 Questions

In the next couple of weeks I'm planning on doing an upgrade (not
clean install) of my W7 Pro desktop to W10, just to get the W10
registered before the end of July cutoff. I've got all the license
keys for W7, Office, and programs I use (and the means to reinstall
them if necessary.

Immediately prior to the upgrade I'll:

remove all saved restore points and do a general Disk Cleanup of C:

backup my data (on D and the C:\Users folder - there's some data
in the there (e.g. Thunderbird mail profile, various program ini
files);

save an image (Macrium + Macrium Boot CD) of my C: SSD to a
removeable USB Hard Drive, and do likewise with W10 once it's
installed and basically working;

then probably use the W7 image to revert to that for a few months
anyway.

I've currently got GWX Control Panel installed to block W10, and it
says "no traces of the Get Windows 10 app, WIndows 10 upgrade
settings, or Windows 10 installation files found." Windows Update is
currently set to Check for Updates........ and I've got some of the
W10 related KBs hidden.

Three questions:

1. I'd like to run the W10 Compatability Checker first, to see if it
finds any problems. Do I need to turn off or uninstall GWX first, is
there a risk that W10 will then "jump me", and how do I find/run the
Compatability Checker?

2. Anything else I need to do or save before the upgrade (except
reconsider doing it!)? Someone mentioned uninstalling my OneDrive
program/folder (which I use a lot), and turning off or unistalling my
AV (Avast);

3. To do the upgrade do I need to turn off or uninstall GWX first, and
how do I get the W10 upgrade to run. Is it just a case of going he
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...load/windows10
and clicking Upgrade Now or is there a better way?

I've read lots of posts on here about it, and based what I'm planning
on those, but unsure what to do with about GWX and the previously
hidden/not installed KBs.

Thanks for any advice.

On 15/06/2016 16:43, Davidm wrote:
In the next couple of weeks I'm planning on doing an upgrade (not
clean install) of my W7 Pro desktop to W10,

Don't waste your time because you'll be here again blaming Microsoft
when something doesn't work or upgrade takes 1 week. Clean install
guarantees there is nothing to stop you from installing Windows 10 and
it works 100% of the time. It also gives you the opportunity to start
everything from scratch.

People do upgrades just because they are completely disorganized and
lazy to plan the necessary steps. You need to make a list of what
things needs to be done and keep a record of all your serial numbers so
that they are available when needed. If you can't do this then
seriously, you would be wasting your time and then you'll blame
everything on Microsoft when I have told you what you should be doing.

I'll make a note of your name so that when you come back here blaming
Microsoft, I'll tell you "I told you so". Only you can control your
destiny; Not Microsoft nor anybody here.


Are you also DavibB, and DavidC? Just a thought!!




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Davidm wrote:
In the next couple of weeks I'm planning on doing an upgrade (not
clean install) of my W7 Pro desktop to W10, just to get the W10
registered before the end of July cutoff. I've got all the license
keys for W7, Office, and programs I use (and the means to reinstall
them if necessary.

Immediately prior to the upgrade I'll:

remove all saved restore points and do a general Disk Cleanup of C:

backup my data (on D and the C:\Users folder - there's some data
in the there (e.g. Thunderbird mail profile, various program ini
files);

save an image (Macrium + Macrium Boot CD) of my C: SSD to a
removeable USB Hard Drive, and do likewise with W10 once it's
installed and basically working;

then probably use the W7 image to revert to that for a few months
anyway.

I've currently got GWX Control Panel installed to block W10, and it
says "no traces of the Get Windows 10 app, WIndows 10 upgrade
settings, or Windows 10 installation files found." Windows Update is
currently set to Check for Updates........ and I've got some of the
W10 related KBs hidden.

Three questions:

1. I'd like to run the W10 Compatability Checker first, to see if it
finds any problems. Do I need to turn off or uninstall GWX first, is
there a risk that W10 will then "jump me", and how do I find/run the
Compatability Checker?

The download page has two buttons. They give the following programs.

Windows10Upgrade9252.exe --- evaluates the situation first

MediaCreationTool.exe --- makes a Win10 DVD

Here is a picture of a Win7 machine running the first program,
and failing to meet the requirements. Notice it provided no feedback
on programs. You would probably get more "feedback" by running
the Windows 8.1 Upgrade Assistant... GWX also has the logic
to analyze the computer, but Windows 10 era is not big on
interfaces, so no visual feedback is provided to the user.
(I.e. If GWX is "blocked" for lack of a driver, you'll never know.)
This is the *most* feedback I've seen from a Win10 era product.

https://s31.postimg.org/qsx01or97/attempt.gif


2. Anything else I need to do or save before the upgrade (except
reconsider doing it!)? Someone mentioned uninstalling my OneDrive
program/folder (which I use a lot), and turning off or unistalling my
AV (Avast);

What backup method does a OneDrive have ? :-)

I would expect the "migration" logic to take care
of aligning your cloud storage on one OS with the next,
and nothing should happen. It should preserve whatever
passes for account details. Using your MSA (Microsoft Account)
would also establish the connection with the existing
cloud storage. If you use the MSA as your account ID,
it will make a stupid abbreviation for your home
directory (if your email address is ,
your home directory will be "burp"). If you use the MSA later,
there will be a mis-alignment between identifier and
home directory (sometimes evident when file sharing).
The whole thing is a royal cockup. But with the OneDrive,
I expect an MSA will be required at some point,
and I don't know exactly how to minimize the
collateral damage to your "home LAN convenience".
I try to use the same account on all OSes, to
make file sharing seamless, but the Win10 machines
required some less-than-nice "tricks" to continue
that tradition. I have to log to the Win10 machines
to file share (wasn't seamless, I don't use
HomeGroups either, as I have older OSes).

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/account/faq.aspx

You can turn off Avast, or, the OS installer is likely
to turn it off for you. Your choice.

The first stage of install, is file copying. Creating
Windows.old, creating a new Windows. The installation process
takes off after the next reboot. Most AV programs, they are
enabled on the next reboot. So "temporary disable" is unlikely
to be all that helpful. On the other hand, complete removal
of the AV can also have consequences.

If it was me:

1) Trust in existing (complete) backup strategy.
If OneDrive content is not for transport, but is
archival in nature, I think I would already have
designed a backup system for it.

2) Do the install and allow the install to take care of the details.
While there are certain things that human intervention can help,
this one is a tossup. I'd just leave it alone and rely on (1),
my ironclad backup strategy.


3. To do the upgrade do I need to turn off or uninstall GWX first, and
how do I get the W10 upgrade to run. Is it just a case of going he
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...load/windows10
and clicking Upgrade Now or is there a better way?

I've read lots of posts on here about it, and based what I'm planning
on those, but unsure what to do with about GWX and the previously
hidden/not installed KBs.

Thanks for any advice.

Uninstalling GWX is not necessary. So far, the OS hasn't shown any
signs of "race condition" problems, where an automated system tries
to update, at the same time I manually update. It doesn't mean a
race condition does not exist, merely that the probabilities are
very small of something weird happening. Just go ahead and install.

Enjoy,
Paul

Davidm wrote on 06/15/2016 11:43 AM:
Three questions:

1. I'd like to run the W10 Compatability Checker first, to see if it
finds any problems. Do I need to turn off or uninstall GWX first, is
there a risk that W10 will then "jump me", and how do I find/run the
Compatability Checker?

2. Anything else I need to do or save before the upgrade (except
reconsider doing it!)? Someone mentioned uninstalling my OneDrive
program/folder (which I use a lot), and turning off or unistalling my
AV (Avast);

3. To do the upgrade do I need to turn off or uninstall GWX first, and
how do I get the W10 upgrade to run. Is it just a case of going he
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...load/windows10
and clicking Upgrade Now or is there a better way?

I've read lots of posts on here about it, and based what I'm planning
on those, but unsure what to do with about GWX and the previously
hidden/not installed KBs.

Thanks for any advice.

A1.
3035583 needs to be installed to use the Compatibility Checker before
starting the update. If using media(Win10 media created from the Media
Creation Tool - usb,dvd, or mounted iso)to upgrade Win10 the
compatibility check will be performed during the install, not before.

- if GWX is preventing 3035583 from running then it needs to be turned
off. Note: To avoid 3035583 pushing down Win10 bits, it might be a good
idea to enable the item to Disable Os Upgrade in W7Pro Group Policy.

A2. If you OneDrive folder has been relocated to another drive, move it
back to its default location in your user profile. Likewise, if you have
moved other Win7 system folders(Documents, Pictures, Downloads, etc. to
another drive return those to their default locations). Disabling AVAST
is a good idea.

A3. Remove GQX before upgrade(it may not be necessary, but why add or
leave more variation present). It would be better to created USB or DVD
media using the Win10 Media Creation Tool, then run setup.exe from that
media in Win7. Note: If you use media, ensure your BIOS/UEFI is not
configured to boot USB or DVD first(you do not want the Win10 install
which performs a restart(s) to boot the media - doing so will start the
entire process over as if you wanted to perform a clean install, not
upgrade).

Once Win10 is upgraded, ensure it is activated and assigned a digital
license. Create a new image of Win10 with your imaging software(ensure
you image the O/S Parition and the System Reserved partition - you
should have done this when creating the Win10 image).

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...winston
msft mvp windows experience

Good Guy wrote:

On 15/06/2016 16:43, Davidm wrote:
In the next couple of weeks I'm planning on doing an upgrade (not
clean install) of my W7 Pro desktop to W10,

Don't waste your time because you'll be here again blaming Microsoft
when something doesn't work or upgrade takes 1 week. Clean install
guarantees there is nothing to stop you from installing Windows 10 and
it works 100% of the time. It also gives you the opportunity to start
everything from scratch.

People do upgrades just because they are completely disorganized and
lazy to plan the necessary steps. You need to make a list of what
things needs to be done and keep a record of all your serial numbers so
that they are available when needed. If you can't do this then
seriously, you would be wasting your time and then you'll blame
everything on Microsoft when I have told you what you should be doing.

I'll make a note of your name so that when you come back here blaming
Microsoft, I'll tell you "I told you so". Only you can control your
destiny; Not Microsoft nor anybody here.


Are you also DavibB, and DavidC? Just a thought!!




The easiest way is to download the win10 iso from microsoft. Burn image to
disk and install from dvd. skip the updates when you do the update.

before you install win 10 make an image of your drive. I think you said you
were going to do that. once you got win 10 installed and you are happy with
it.

Wipe it out and do a fresh install of win7 and update to win10 then update
win 10. before you install any app make an image of that.

before you do any of the above you could always install win10 to virtualbox
and become part of the windows insider program. That way you get to see what
you are going to get with win 10.

NOw i might not be right on this. If you are a diy pc builder, and you
change your MB. You might ba able to install win10 then signin with your
insider program email and password and continue using win 10.

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On 06/16/2016 10:38 AM, Darklight wrote:
Wipe it out and do a fresh install of win7 and update to win10 then update
win 10. before you install any app make an image of that.
Why all that work of installing win 7 (except for drivers maybe)?

Win 10 now allows you to do a clean install (not upgrade) using the win
7 key to activate.

Wolf K wrote:
On 2016-06-16 10:43, Big Al wrote:
On 06/16/2016 10:38 AM, Darklight wrote:
Wipe it out and do a fresh install of win7 and update to win10 then
update
win 10. before you install any app make an image of that.
Why all that work of installing win 7 (except for drivers maybe)?

Win 10 now allows you to do a clean install (not upgrade) using the win
7 key to activate.

I assume the same is true for Win 8 -- 10?

TIA


Direct entry of a qualifying Win7SP1 or Win8.1 key
at clean install time, was made available for 10586
(1511 November 2015) edition. While a person
could still be holding a 10240 disc in their hand
which doesn't support it, anyone experimenting at
this late date with Win10 media is going to have
support for this feature.

Yes, you can clean install with a W7/W8 key.
The installer disc might even manage to pull
the MSDM BIOS key out of a W8 or W10 OEM machine,
so you don't even need to type anything. There
are tools around (somewhere) for pulling the
MSDM key value, although most of the time,
you don't need to know the details.

Paul

Paul wrote on 06/16/2016 4:16 PM:
Wolf K wrote:
On 2016-06-16 10:43, Big Al wrote:
On 06/16/2016 10:38 AM, Darklight wrote:
Wipe it out and do a fresh install of win7 and update to win10 then
update
win 10. before you install any app make an image of that.
Why all that work of installing win 7 (except for drivers maybe)?

Win 10 now allows you to do a clean install (not upgrade) using the win
7 key to activate.

I assume the same is true for Win 8 -- 10?

TIA


Direct entry of a qualifying Win7SP1 or Win8.1 key
at clean install time, was made available for 10586
(1511 November 2015) edition. While a person
could still be holding a 10240 disc in their hand
which doesn't support it, anyone experimenting at
this late date with Win10 media is going to have
support for this feature.

Yes, you can clean install with a W7/W8 key.
The installer disc might even manage to pull
the MSDM BIOS key out of a W8 or W10 OEM machine,
so you don't even need to type anything. There
are tools around (somewhere) for pulling the
MSDM key value, although most of the time,
you don't need to know the details.

Paul

Which raises an important issue.
If the 8x on-chip key is Home and the device was upgraded to Pro, Win10
media will most likely(as reported) install Home. The valid Pro key
should not be entered during the upgrade but after installation is
complete and within Win10's Change Product key.



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...winston
msft mvp windows experience

.. . .winston wrote:
Paul wrote on 06/16/2016 4:16 PM:
Wolf K wrote:
On 2016-06-16 10:43, Big Al wrote:
On 06/16/2016 10:38 AM, Darklight wrote:
Wipe it out and do a fresh install of win7 and update to win10 then
update
win 10. before you install any app make an image of that.
Why all that work of installing win 7 (except for drivers maybe)?

Win 10 now allows you to do a clean install (not upgrade) using the win
7 key to activate.

I assume the same is true for Win 8 -- 10?

TIA


Direct entry of a qualifying Win7SP1 or Win8.1 key
at clean install time, was made available for 10586
(1511 November 2015) edition. While a person
could still be holding a 10240 disc in their hand
which doesn't support it, anyone experimenting at
this late date with Win10 media is going to have
support for this feature.

Yes, you can clean install with a W7/W8 key.
The installer disc might even manage to pull
the MSDM BIOS key out of a W8 or W10 OEM machine,
so you don't even need to type anything. There
are tools around (somewhere) for pulling the
MSDM key value, although most of the time,
you don't need to know the details.

Paul

Which raises an important issue.
If the 8x on-chip key is Home and the device was upgraded to Pro, Win10
media will most likely(as reported) install Home. The valid Pro key
should not be entered during the upgrade but after installation is
complete and within Win10's Change Product key.

You could always use "Win10 AIO" in a search. Maybe this
approach would allow you to select the version you wanted.

http://getintopc.com/wp-content/uplo...One_8_in_1.jpg

Paul

Paul wrote on 06/16/2016 7:39 PM:
. . .winston wrote:
Paul wrote on 06/16/2016 4:16 PM:
Wolf K wrote:
On 2016-06-16 10:43, Big Al wrote:
On 06/16/2016 10:38 AM, Darklight wrote:
Wipe it out and do a fresh install of win7 and update to win10 then
update
win 10. before you install any app make an image of that.
Why all that work of installing win 7 (except for drivers maybe)?

Win 10 now allows you to do a clean install (not upgrade) using the
win
7 key to activate.

I assume the same is true for Win 8 -- 10?

TIA


Direct entry of a qualifying Win7SP1 or Win8.1 key
at clean install time, was made available for 10586
(1511 November 2015) edition. While a person
could still be holding a 10240 disc in their hand
which doesn't support it, anyone experimenting at
this late date with Win10 media is going to have
support for this feature.

Yes, you can clean install with a W7/W8 key.
The installer disc might even manage to pull
the MSDM BIOS key out of a W8 or W10 OEM machine,
so you don't even need to type anything. There
are tools around (somewhere) for pulling the
MSDM key value, although most of the time,
you don't need to know the details.

Paul

Which raises an important issue.
If the 8x on-chip key is Home and the device was upgraded to Pro,
Win10 media will most likely(as reported) install Home. The valid Pro
key should not be entered during the upgrade but after installation is
complete and within Win10's Change Product key.

You could always use "Win10 AIO" in a search. Maybe this
approach would allow you to select the version you wanted.

http://getintopc.com/wp-content/uplo...One_8_in_1.jpg


Paul

One could use the July MCT created media which provides the option to
choose the upgrade edition. The 'install Home based on product key on
chip started with the October MCT where no choice for Home or Pro is
present.

Iirc, another route to resolve the 'it installs Home'(when Pro was an
upgrade with Home on chip)...enter the generic Win10 key(which is a Pro
key) in the Change Product key, device will be updated to Pro with the
digital license reset to Pro. If desired, one can, but not required,
enter the valid 8 Pro key in Change Product key.

--
...winston
msft mvp windows experience

On Wed, 15 Jun 2016 16:43:30 +0100, Davidm
wrote:

In the next couple of weeks I'm planning on doing an upgrade (not
clean install) of my W7 Pro desktop to W10, just to get the W10
registered before the end of July cutoff. I've got all the license
keys for W7, Office, and programs I use (and the means to reinstall
them if necessary.

Immediately prior to the upgrade I'll:

remove all saved restore points and do a general Disk Cleanup of C:

backup my data (on D and the C:\Users folder - there's some data
in the there (e.g. Thunderbird mail profile, various program ini
files);

save an image (Macrium + Macrium Boot CD) of my C: SSD to a
removeable USB Hard Drive, and do likewise with W10 once it's
installed and basically working;

then probably use the W7 image to revert to that for a few months
anyway.

I've currently got GWX Control Panel installed to block W10, and it
says "no traces of the Get Windows 10 app, WIndows 10 upgrade
settings, or Windows 10 installation files found." Windows Update is
currently set to Check for Updates........ and I've got some of the
W10 related KBs hidden.

Three questions:

1. I'd like to run the W10 Compatability Checker first, to see if it
finds any problems. Do I need to turn off or uninstall GWX first, is
there a risk that W10 will then "jump me", and how do I find/run the
Compatability Checker?

2. Anything else I need to do or save before the upgrade (except
reconsider doing it!)? Someone mentioned uninstalling my OneDrive
program/folder (which I use a lot), and turning off or unistalling my
AV (Avast);

3. To do the upgrade do I need to turn off or uninstall GWX first, and
how do I get the W10 upgrade to run. Is it just a case of going he
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...load/windows10
and clicking Upgrade Now or is there a better way?

I've read lots of posts on here about it, and based what I'm planning
on those, but unsure what to do with about GWX and the previously
hidden/not installed KBs.

Thanks for any advice.
Thanks to all for your replies