Two documents folders

Can you tell me what's the difference between Documents folder at This PC and
Documents folder at Libraries?

Thanks

Nixon wrote:

Can you tell me what's the difference between Documents folder at This PC and
Documents folder at Libraries?

The folder(s) are in the Library

On Sun, 4 Jan 2015 21:44:31 -0000, "Nixon" wrote:

Can you tell me what's the difference between Documents folder at This PC and
Documents folder at Libraries?



It's one folder, not two. The library is just a pointer to the folder,
not a separate folder.

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Nixon wrote:

Can you tell me what's the difference between Documents folder at This PC and
Documents folder at Libraries?

The folder(s) are in the Library

Thanks for the reply, I feel like if I had a friend.

"Ken Blake, MVP" escreveu na mensagem
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On Sun, 4 Jan 2015 21:44:31 -0000, "Nixon" wrote:

Can you tell me what's the difference between Documents folder at This PC and
Documents folder at Libraries?

It's one folder, not two. The library is just a pointer to the folder,
not a separate folder.

I can see Documents folder in three different places. At my user, at This PC and
in Libraries. I've searched and found that Documents "folder" at Libraries can
agregate more than one folder.

Nixon wrote:
"Ken Blake, MVP" escreveu na mensagem
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On Sun, 4 Jan 2015 21:44:31 -0000, "Nixon" wrote:

Can you tell me what's the difference between Documents folder at
This PC and
Documents folder at Libraries?

It's one folder, not two. The library is just a pointer to the folder,
not a separate folder.

I can see Documents folder in three different places. At my user, at
This PC and in Libraries. I've searched and found that Documents
"folder" at Libraries can agregate more than one folder.

Only one folder and located in your user profile, the others are just
mirrors (yet accessible) of what that folder in your user profile
contains.

If you look at the properties for each Documents folder they will all
show you they point to the same location - C:\Users\your windows logon
name

If there was another user (windows logon profile) on the same or a
different Windows 8x machine they would see the same thing as you..but
the only real folder would be the one in their user profile.

--
....winston
msft mvp consumer apps

On Sun, 04 Jan 2015 18:02:30 -0700, "...winston‫" wrote:

Nixon wrote:
"Ken Blake, MVP" escreveu na mensagem
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On Sun, 4 Jan 2015 21:44:31 -0000, "Nixon" wrote:

Can you tell me what's the difference between Documents folder at
This PC and
Documents folder at Libraries?

It's one folder, not two. The library is just a pointer to the folder,
not a separate folder.

I can see Documents folder in three different places. At my user, at
This PC and in Libraries. I've searched and found that Documents
"folder" at Libraries can agregate more than one folder.

Only one folder and located in your user profile, the others are just
mirrors (yet accessible) of what that folder in your user profile
contains.

If you look at the properties for each Documents folder they will all
show you they point to the same location - C:\Users\your windows logon
name

Not in my case.

Mine points to three folders, one of which is the real My Documents, but
the other two relate to some scanner software that likes to open in the
My Documents *library*.

I am guilty of adding those two, of course, and they do happen to be in
the real My Documents folder.

I haven't tried it, but I think I could add a random folder in there as
well. With any luck, it would add to my confusion.

If there was another user (windows logon profile) on the same or a
different Windows 8x machine they would see the same thing as you..but
the only real folder would be the one in their user profile.


--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Sun, 04 Jan 2015 18:02:30 -0700, "...winston‫" wrote:

Nixon wrote:
"Ken Blake, MVP" escreveu na mensagem
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On Sun, 4 Jan 2015 21:44:31 -0000, "Nixon" wrote:

Can you tell me what's the difference between Documents folder at
This PC and
Documents folder at Libraries?

It's one folder, not two. The library is just a pointer to the folder,
not a separate folder.

I can see Documents folder in three different places. At my user, at
This PC and in Libraries. I've searched and found that Documents
"folder" at Libraries can agregate more than one folder.

Only one folder and located in your user profile, the others are just
mirrors (yet accessible) of what that folder in your user profile
contains.

If you look at the properties for each Documents folder they will all
show you they point to the same location - C:\Users\your windows logon
name

Not in my case.

Mine points to three folders, one of which is the real My Documents, but
the other two relate to some scanner software that likes to open in the
My Documents *library*.

I am guilty of adding those two, of course, and they do happen to be in
the real My Documents folder.

I haven't tried it, but I think I could add a random folder in there as
well. With any luck, it would add to my confusion.

If there was another user (windows logon profile) on the same or a
different Windows 8x machine they would see the same thing as you..but
the only real folder would be the one in their user profile.


What does the properties of the 'Documents' folder show as the path for
each of these
- Documents in Libraries (ensure you are choosing the
Libraries/Documents/Documents folder's properties)
- Computer/Desktop/Documents (when viewed in Explorer, not Computer may
also be named MyPC
- C:\Users\windows username\Documents

--
....winston
msft mvp consumer apps

Nixon wrote:

"Ken Blake, MVP" escreveu na mensagem
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On Sun, 4 Jan 2015 21:44:31 -0000, "Nixon" wrote:

Can you tell me what's the difference between Documents folder at This PC and
Documents folder at Libraries?

It's one folder, not two. The library is just a pointer to the folder,
not a separate folder.

I can see Documents folder in three different places. At my user, at This PC and
in Libraries. I've searched and found that Documents "folder" at Libraries can
agregate more than one folder.

Windows has had the junction feature (reparse point) since, I believe,
back in Windows 2000. Microsoft just didn't use it very much. Many
file utilities are still blind to junction points (and alternate data
streams in NTFS) and will screw them up. Ken said one, or more, of
those "folders" you see is actually a junction point. You see it as a
folder. The file system does not. It is not another folder in the NTFS
file system. It is a *pointer* to another folder. Junction points work
only on folder objects in NTFS.

The concept came from soft and hard links that were available in *NIX
decades earlier. Rather than have duplicates of files in common storage
locations or copies of utilities in the profile of every user account,
pointers were used instead. Pointers are much smaller so disk space
didn't get wasted on duplication, plus users were guaranteed to use the
same set of shared utilities instead of causing incompatibility problems
by having users use different versions of utilities or accessing their
own copy of a shared file and then copying over the shared copy while
someone else was doing the same. For Microsoft, they wanted to change
where some folders were located in the file system but keep backwards
compatibility with older programs that still used the old folder path.
There were probably several meetings in Dev and QA on why the folders
should be changed to which we users will never by privy; i.e., we don't
know Microsoft logic or lack thereof in deciding to change folder names.


What boob at Microsoft thought adding spaces in a folder's name and
using a long and cumbersome string was good, like "Documents and
Settings"? They decided to shorten those to "Users" and "AppData". Too
bad they didn't start with the shorter names then corrected themselves
but have to accomodate all the old programs still using the old names.

See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTFS_junction_point
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTFS_reparse_point
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/libr...(v=vs.85).aspx
http://ntfs.com/ntfs_basics.htm (under "What's New in NTFS 3.0")

Although introduced back in Windows 2000, Microsoft has not provided any
tools for them except in separate Resource Kits and much later started
providing some command-line tools.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/205524
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/s...rnals/bb896768

Or, as is typical of Microsoftware, you could get (and a lot earlier
than when Microsoft released their tools) 3rd party tools to discover,
create, and manipulate junctions.

On Sun, 04 Jan 2015 20:34:02 -0700, "...winston‫" wrote:

Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Sun, 04 Jan 2015 18:02:30 -0700, "...winston‫" wrote:

Nixon wrote:
"Ken Blake, MVP" escreveu na mensagem
...

On Sun, 4 Jan 2015 21:44:31 -0000, "Nixon" wrote:

Can you tell me what's the difference between Documents folder at
This PC and
Documents folder at Libraries?

It's one folder, not two. The library is just a pointer to the folder,
not a separate folder.

I can see Documents folder in three different places. At my user, at
This PC and in Libraries. I've searched and found that Documents
"folder" at Libraries can agregate more than one folder.

Only one folder and located in your user profile, the others are just
mirrors (yet accessible) of what that folder in your user profile
contains.

If you look at the properties for each Documents folder they will all
show you they point to the same location - C:\Users\your windows logon
name

Not in my case.

Mine points to three folders, one of which is the real My Documents, but
the other two relate to some scanner software that likes to open in the
My Documents *library*.

I am guilty of adding those two, of course, and they do happen to be in
the real My Documents folder.

I haven't tried it, but I think I could add a random folder in there as
well. With any luck, it would add to my confusion.

If there was another user (windows logon profile) on the same or a
different Windows 8x machine they would see the same thing as you..but
the only real folder would be the one in their user profile.


What does the properties of the 'Documents' folder show as the path for
each of these
- Documents in Libraries (ensure you are choosing the
Libraries/Documents/Documents folder's properties)
- Computer/Desktop/Documents (when viewed in Explorer, not Computer may
also be named MyPC
- C:\Users\windows username\Documents

It shows the correct path to those folders. They are subfolders of
Documents, as I said.

Maybe it's time to try putting another folder in there just for fun.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On Mon, 5 Jan 2015 12:00:49 -0800, Gene E. Bloch wrote:

On Sun, 04 Jan 2015 20:34:02 -0700, "...winston‫" wrote:

Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Sun, 04 Jan 2015 18:02:30 -0700, "...winston‫" wrote:

Nixon wrote:
"Ken Blake, MVP" escreveu na mensagem
...

On Sun, 4 Jan 2015 21:44:31 -0000, "Nixon" wrote:

Can you tell me what's the difference between Documents folder at
This PC and
Documents folder at Libraries?

It's one folder, not two. The library is just a pointer to the folder,
not a separate folder.

I can see Documents folder in three different places. At my user, at
This PC and in Libraries. I've searched and found that Documents
"folder" at Libraries can agregate more than one folder.

Only one folder and located in your user profile, the others are just
mirrors (yet accessible) of what that folder in your user profile
contains.

If you look at the properties for each Documents folder they will all
show you they point to the same location - C:\Users\your windows logon
name

Not in my case.

Mine points to three folders, one of which is the real My Documents, but
the other two relate to some scanner software that likes to open in the
My Documents *library*.

I am guilty of adding those two, of course, and they do happen to be in
the real My Documents folder.

I haven't tried it, but I think I could add a random folder in there as
well. With any luck, it would add to my confusion.

If there was another user (windows logon profile) on the same or a
different Windows 8x machine they would see the same thing as you..but
the only real folder would be the one in their user profile.


What does the properties of the 'Documents' folder show as the path for
each of these
- Documents in Libraries (ensure you are choosing the
Libraries/Documents/Documents folder's properties)
- Computer/Desktop/Documents (when viewed in Explorer, not Computer may
also be named MyPC
- C:\Users\windows username\Documents

It shows the correct path to those folders. They are subfolders of
Documents, as I said.

Maybe it's time to try putting another folder in there just for fun.

OK, I put a subfolder of Download in there. I (randomly) chose Download
because it's a folder in the root of my user account folder, so it's not
part of the Documents tree.

The path indicated by the properties of its Library entry is correct,
but it is a bit odd.

1. It is *not* visible in the file pane if I open that pane by selecting
the Documents library.

2. It *is* visible in the Navigation pane under the Documents library;
if I select it there its contents are properly shown in the file pane.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On 04/01/2015 23:37, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Sun, 4 Jan 2015 21:44:31 -0000, "Nixon" wrote:

Can you tell me what's the difference between Documents folder at This PC and
Documents folder at Libraries?



It's one folder, not two. The library is just a pointer to the folder,
not a separate folder.


I have 2 My Documents folders under This PC, and both obviously contain
the same information/documents