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How to add a shortcut to Send To in right click menu
On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 12:55:22 +1100, Peter Jason wrote:
On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 17:57:55 -0800, "Gene E. Bloch" wrote: On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 20:44:30 -0500, Docster wrote: Thanks to this response and all the other helpful responses I was able to navigate to the Send To folder. Once I found it I attempted to right click on my Recycle Bin to create a shortcut which I intended to drag into the Send To folder.........the Recycle Bin has no option for a right click Create Shortcut. Having hit this wall I copied the folder into the Send To folder and an icon with correct name appeared, in the folder. To test I right clicked on a desktop folder to see if I could send it to the recycle bin only to find that when the right click of my mouse was executed the Recycle Bin did not appear in the dialog menu block. Is there something particular about the Recycle Bin? Also how do I get the Documents and Settings on the C Drive to open? As the owner and Administrator I don't quite understand how I can be denied access to any folder! "Stormin' Norman" wrote in message ... On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 04:45:06 -0500, "Docster" wrote: In all previous versions of windows I have been able to locate the root Santo and add what ever shortcuts I wanted to. In Windows 7 this simple process has been turned into a convoluted mess. Can anyone provide the path to Send To and how I can add such shortcuts as I might choose e.g. one for recycle bin Here is an excellent freeware tool that makes the task quite simple: Send To Toys 2.7 http://www.gabrieleponti.com/software/#sendtotoys AND Here are some instructions for doing it manually: http://lifehacker.com/5640841/edit-t...rd-party-tools Why not just use the Delete button to send an item to the Recycle Bin? Just don't configure your deletes to be unconditional. Yes that's what I do for large-scale narrowing of selections. But it's too easy to forget a recycled single or few items. Translation? I can't figure out what you mean by either of those sentences. -- Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch) |
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How to add a shortcut to Send To in right click menu
On 2/19/2015 5:44 PM, Docster wrote:
Thanks to this response and all the other helpful responses I was able to navigate to the Send To folder. Once I found it I attempted to right click on my Recycle Bin to create a shortcut which I intended to drag into the Send To folder.........the Recycle Bin has no option for a right click Create Shortcut. Having hit this wall I copied the folder into the Send To folder and an icon with correct name appeared, in the folder. To test I right clicked on a desktop folder to see if I could send it to the recycle bin only to find that when the right click of my mouse was executed the Recycle Bin did not appear in the dialog menu block. Is there something particular about the Recycle Bin? Also how do I get the Documents and Settings on the C Drive to open? As the owner and Administrator I don't quite understand how I can be denied access to any folder! "Stormin' Norman" wrote in message ... On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 04:45:06 -0500, "Docster" wrote: In all previous versions of windows I have been able to locate the root Santo and add what ever shortcuts I wanted to. In Windows 7 this simple process has been turned into a convoluted mess. Can anyone provide the path to Send To and how I can add such shortcuts as I might choose e.g. one for recycle bin Here is an excellent freeware tool that makes the task quite simple: Send To Toys 2.7 http://www.gabrieleponti.com/software/#sendtotoys AND Here are some instructions for doing it manually: http://lifehacker.com/5640841/edit-t...rd-party-tools Given how crowded the SendTo menu appears to me, I would rather not have the Recycle Bin there. It would be too easy to delete something that I don't want to delete. The main pull-down context menu has its entries with slightly larger vertical spacing, which reduces the likelihood that I will select Delete by mistake. In any case, to reach the SendTo menu, I must get the main context menu, which already has Delete. -- David E. Ross The Crimea is Putin's Sudetenland. The Ukraine will be Putin's Czechoslovakia. See http://www.rossde.com/editorials/edtl_PutinUkraine.html. |
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How to add a shortcut to Send To in right click menu
On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 20:20:33 -0500, Docster wrote:
What is a symbolic link? This is a new term for me. It's one of NTFS feature. It's similar like an LNK shortcut file, but it works at file system (or driver) level. It acts as a transparent redirector or a mapper to a file/folder. IOTW, it provides an alternative path to the same file system object. More info can be found on Wikipedia or MSDN site. e.g. you can make a symlink in "C:\" named as "Drive_E" that points to "E:\". When you browse or CD-ed (from the command prompt) to "C:\Drive_E", it'll look like you're there, but actually, you've browsed or gone to "E:\". So the contents of "C:\Drive_E" is the contents of "E:\". If you have a file named "notes.txt" in "E:\", and use Notepad to open "C:\Drive_E\notes.txt", Notepad will open it as "C:\Drive_E\notes.txt", but actually, it opened "E:\notes.txt". Any changes made to that file will be applied to "E:\notes.txt". There'll be like two identical files/folders, but there's only one actually. The one that's pointed by the symlink target. Symlinks will be treated like the target that it points to. I haven't used Windows Vista and newer versions extensively. i.e. how the shell handles symlinks when they are being deleted. Cause you might accidentally delete the contents of the symlink target folder when all you wanted is to delete the symlink itself. Under NTFS, if a file's data is small enough (about 500 bytes or so), it will be placed in its own NTFS file record. It won't need a disk cluster unless it needed one before (in case te file size is shirnked). A symlink's data is merely a path name with a short data header, which is small enough to be placed in its own NTFS file record, in most cases. An LNK shortcut file however, is too large in most cases. |
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How to add a shortcut to Send To in right click menu
| I haven't used Windows Vista and newer versions extensively. i.e. how the
| shell handles symlinks when they are being deleted. Cause you might | accidentally delete the contents of the symlink target folder when all you | wanted is to delete the symlink itself. | The whole idea undermines the fundamental logic of the file system, which is to provide an ordered, hierarchical storage metaphor. Even the fake folders for backward compatibility are very confusing and unnecessary. (There was no excuse for changing system paths like AppData in the first place. Beyond that, there was no excuse for catering to programmers who relied on hardcoded paths. Their software *should* fail because they wrote it wrong, ignoring even the most basic rules of writing Windows software.) Symlinks, hardlinks.... I still don't really get it, nor do I want to. It's a very bad idea that needs to be dropped. Likewise with "redirection" in the Registry, which isn't really redirection but is rather just plain old lying. It's created a situation where it's difficult to understand what's real and what isn't. That makes the implications of one's actions uncertain. Many people have trouble enough understanding the file system as it is. It was supposed to be an intuitive take-off on file cabinets and papers, but that metaphor only goes so far. It reflects the functionality but not the process of actual usage. That is, it's a good metaphor for how computer files are used, but knowing how to store papers in file cabinets does nothing to prepare one for using a computer. Add to that someone's "bright idea" to break the metaphor, so that the cabinets and folders no longer correspond to cabinets or folders, and the system becomes truly incomprehensible to most people. I posted quotes recently showing that the Microsofties have even confused themselves with their fake folders, in regard to what's real and what isn't in the winsxs folder: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/e7/archive/2...isk-space.aspx Microsoft President Steven Sinofsky and his assistant say: ...nearly every file in the WinSxS directory is a "hard link" to the physical files elsewhere on the system-meaning that the files are not actually in this directory. ...The actual amount of storage consumed varies, but on a typical system it is about 400MB. http://blogs.technet.com/b/askcore/a...-so-large.aspx The "Windows Server Core Team" says: All of the components in the operating system are found in the WinSxS folder - in fact we call this location the component store. ...The WinSxS folder is the only location that the component is found on the system, all other instances of the files that you see on the system are "projected" by hard linking from the component store. Actually, neither explanation makes sense. As I understand it, winsxs is supposed to be acting as a backup location. If it's really nothing but a mirage -- or if all other system files are nothing but a mirage -- then winsxs serves no purpose and isn't backing up anything. |
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On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 09:05:07 -0500, Mayayana wrote:
The whole idea undermines the fundamental logic of the file system, which is to provide an ordered, hierarchical storage metaphor. Even the fake folders for backward compatibility are very confusing and unnecessary. (There was no excuse for changing system paths like AppData in the first place. Beyond that, there was no excuse for catering to programmers who relied on hardcoded paths. Their software *should* fail because they wrote it wrong, ignoring even the most basic rules of writing Windows software.) I could understand why the old "Documents and Settings" folder (and a few others) in Vista+ is made as a symlink, but what I don't understand is why did Microsoft made it accessible only for the SYSTEM account? IIRC, it's not even accessible by an elevated user. Symlinks, hardlinks.... I still don't really get it, nor do I want to. It's a very bad idea that needs to be dropped. Likewise with "redirection" in the Registry, which isn't really redirection but is rather just plain old lying. Well, those are basically shortcuts. Just like the LNK shortcut file that point to a folder or file. Each has its own purpose, advantages, and disadvantages. But yes, they can be confusing. It's created a situation where it's difficult to understand what's real and what isn't. That makes the implications of one's actions uncertain. Many people have trouble enough understanding the file system as it is. It was supposed to be an intuitive take-off on file cabinets and papers, but that metaphor only goes so far. It reflects the functionality but not the process of actual usage. That is, it's a good metaphor for how computer files are used, but knowing how to store papers in file cabinets does nothing to prepare one for using a computer. Add to that someone's "bright idea" to break the metaphor, so that the cabinets and folders no longer correspond to cabinets or folders, and the system becomes truly incomprehensible to most people. Ever since 64-bit Windows came, things started to get messy with hackish adoption of 64-bit platform. I posted quotes recently showing that the Microsofties have even confused themselves with their fake folders, in regard to what's real and what isn't in the winsxs folder: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/e7/archive/2...isk-space.aspx That was fun to read. Microsoft President Steven Sinofsky and his assistant say: ...nearly every file in the WinSxS directory is a "hard link" to the physical files elsewhere on the system-meaning that the files are not actually in this directory. ...The actual amount of storage consumed varies, but on a typical system it is about 400MB. http://blogs.technet.com/b/askcore/a...-so-large.aspx When it comes to hardlinks, the physical file can be everywhere at the same time. A hard link is merely a file record that point to the same file data (the disk cluster; not the file path). Once a hardlink is created, the target file will also become hardlink (i.e. hardlinked file). When hardlinks in different folders are deleted one by one, the last surviving one will become the pysical file - where ever it is. A file symlink is different. It's actually a file that has no data, but with internal data (metadata) that contains the path of the target file. The "Windows Server Core Team" says: All of the components in the operating system are found in the WinSxS folder - in fact we call this location the component store. ...The WinSxS folder is the only location that the component is found on the system, all other instances of the files that you see on the system are "projected" by hard linking from the component store. Actually, neither explanation makes sense. As I understand it, winsxs is supposed to be acting as a backup location. If it's really nothing but a mirage -- or if all other system files are nothing but a mirage -- then winsxs serves no purpose and isn't backing up anything. The WinSxS folder is originally designed to store different versions of the same DLL. So lo and behold, the fact that Microsoft products aren't actually backward compatible. That folder is never designed for backup location. In Windows XP, it's the DllCache and DriverCache folders that store the backup files. But it seems to me that Microsoft have dumped the backup folder and made WinSxS folder as file repository for both used files (the same purpose of the original WinSxS folder), and for files that aren't used yet (as ready-to-use-or-install folder). IOTW, the OS installer put almost every executable modules into that folder except for device drivers. As for device drivers, it puts them into the "Driver Store" folder - outside the WinSxS folder. The fact that the files in the WinSxS folder are almost entirely consist of hardlink files, and the absence of the backup folder, if a system file is infected by a malware or got corrupted, from where does the OS restore the file? Cause if you modify a hardlinked file, the changes will also apply to the other hardlinks that point to the same file data. So if the file in the SYSTEM32 folder is changed, the one in the WinSxS folder will also changed. Does Vista+ system file protection use System Restore as part of the protection mechanism? 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This is so much more than I needed and really far afield from my original
question/post. What I really want to know is how do or can I create a link to Recycle Bin in my Send To right click action. It appears that even when I create a copy of the RB in Send To in accordance with some of the earlier instructions it does not show up in the right click option block. Is there something peculiar about RB. Another thing I noticed is that there is not option to CreateShortCut. "JJ" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 09:05:07 -0500, Mayayana wrote: The whole idea undermines the fundamental logic of the file system, which is to provide an ordered, hierarchical storage metaphor. Even the fake folders for backward compatibility are very confusing and unnecessary. (There was no excuse for changing system paths like AppData in the first place. Beyond that, there was no excuse for catering to programmers who relied on hardcoded paths. Their software *should* fail because they wrote it wrong, ignoring even the most basic rules of writing Windows software.) I could understand why the old "Documents and Settings" folder (and a few others) in Vista+ is made as a symlink, but what I don't understand is why did Microsoft made it accessible only for the SYSTEM account? IIRC, it's not even accessible by an elevated user. Symlinks, hardlinks.... I still don't really get it, nor do I want to. It's a very bad idea that needs to be dropped. Likewise with "redirection" in the Registry, which isn't really redirection but is rather just plain old lying. Well, those are basically shortcuts. Just like the LNK shortcut file that point to a folder or file. Each has its own purpose, advantages, and disadvantages. But yes, they can be confusing. It's created a situation where it's difficult to understand what's real and what isn't. That makes the implications of one's actions uncertain. Many people have trouble enough understanding the file system as it is. It was supposed to be an intuitive take-off on file cabinets and papers, but that metaphor only goes so far. It reflects the functionality but not the process of actual usage. That is, it's a good metaphor for how computer files are used, but knowing how to store papers in file cabinets does nothing to prepare one for using a computer. Add to that someone's "bright idea" to break the metaphor, so that the cabinets and folders no longer correspond to cabinets or folders, and the system becomes truly incomprehensible to most people. Ever since 64-bit Windows came, things started to get messy with hackish adoption of 64-bit platform. I posted quotes recently showing that the Microsofties have even confused themselves with their fake folders, in regard to what's real and what isn't in the winsxs folder: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/e7/archive/2...isk-space.aspx That was fun to read. Microsoft President Steven Sinofsky and his assistant say: ...nearly every file in the WinSxS directory is a "hard link" to the physical files elsewhere on the system-meaning that the files are not actually in this directory. ...The actual amount of storage consumed varies, but on a typical system it is about 400MB. http://blogs.technet.com/b/askcore/a...-so-large.aspx When it comes to hardlinks, the physical file can be everywhere at the same time. A hard link is merely a file record that point to the same file data (the disk cluster; not the file path). Once a hardlink is created, the target file will also become hardlink (i.e. hardlinked file). When hardlinks in different folders are deleted one by one, the last surviving one will become the pysical file - where ever it is. A file symlink is different. It's actually a file that has no data, but with internal data (metadata) that contains the path of the target file. The "Windows Server Core Team" says: All of the components in the operating system are found in the WinSxS folder - in fact we call this location the component store. ...The WinSxS folder is the only location that the component is found on the system, all other instances of the files that you see on the system are "projected" by hard linking from the component store. Actually, neither explanation makes sense. As I understand it, winsxs is supposed to be acting as a backup location. If it's really nothing but a mirage -- or if all other system files are nothing but a mirage -- then winsxs serves no purpose and isn't backing up anything. The WinSxS folder is originally designed to store different versions of the same DLL. So lo and behold, the fact that Microsoft products aren't actually backward compatible. That folder is never designed for backup location. In Windows XP, it's the DllCache and DriverCache folders that store the backup files. But it seems to me that Microsoft have dumped the backup folder and made WinSxS folder as file repository for both used files (the same purpose of the original WinSxS folder), and for files that aren't used yet (as ready-to-use-or-install folder). IOTW, the OS installer put almost every executable modules into that folder except for device drivers. As for device drivers, it puts them into the "Driver Store" folder - outside the WinSxS folder. The fact that the files in the WinSxS folder are almost entirely consist of hardlink files, and the absence of the backup folder, if a system file is infected by a malware or got corrupted, from where does the OS restore the file? Cause if you modify a hardlinked file, the changes will also apply to the other hardlinks that point to the same file data. So if the file in the SYSTEM32 folder is changed, the one in the WinSxS folder will also changed. Does Vista+ system file protection use System Restore as part of the protection mechanism? Without any backup file at all? -- To be considerate of my contacts and friends, their email addresses have been hidden by putting them in the 'BCC' address area. All email addresses shown on the original message were also removed before the message was forwarded. Politics is the gentle art of getting votes from the poor, and campaign funds from the rich, by promising to protect each from the other |
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On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 20:20:33 -0500, Docster wrote:
What is a symbolic link? This is a new term for me. "JJ" wrote in message ... On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 09:19:19 -0500, Mayayana wrote: [quoted text muted] I need to go into those folders frequently, while the design is tediously convoluted and overproduced, so it's worth having a shortcut to at least save some of the travel required to get there. Third and a half idea... Better is you use a junction or a symbolic link. It won't cost you a single cluster. You might not be aware of a big problem with your quoting style. The way your newsreader is doing it, when someone else follows up, it looks like you *said* what you actually only quoted. The problem is that Windows Live Mail versions 15 and 16 have a quoting style that is completely broken. Unfortunately that poses a painful choice to you: either fix every quote manually, or get a real newsreader such as Gravity, Xananews, and Forte Agent (to mention some that come to mind at the moment). OR, if you really want WLM, some say that WLM 14 will serve. (I've seen a newsgroup posting claiming you can un-break WLM 15 by installing and using an Autohotkey script: http://www.dusko-lolic.from.hr/wlmquote/ But why spend time patching a broken tool?) Thanks for your consideration! -- Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA http://OakRoadSystems.com Shikata ga nai... |
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How to add a shortcut to Send To in right click menu
On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 18:36:08 -0500, Stan Brown wrote:
On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 20:20:33 -0500, Docster wrote: What is a symbolic link? This is a new term for me. "JJ" wrote in message ... On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 09:19:19 -0500, Mayayana wrote: [quoted text muted] I need to go into those folders frequently, while the design is tediously convoluted and overproduced, so it's worth having a shortcut to at least save some of the travel required to get there. Third and a half idea... Better is you use a junction or a symbolic link. It won't cost you a single cluster. You might not be aware of a big problem with your quoting style. The way your newsreader is doing it, when someone else follows up, it looks like you *said* what you actually only quoted. The problem is that Windows Live Mail versions 15 and 16 have a quoting style that is completely broken. Unfortunately that poses a painful choice to you: either fix every quote manually, or get a real newsreader such as Gravity, Xananews, and Forte Agent (to mention some that come to mind at the moment). OR, if you really want WLM, some say that WLM 14 will serve. (I've seen a newsgroup posting claiming you can un-break WLM 15 by installing and using an Autohotkey script: http://www.dusko-lolic.from.hr/wlmquote/ But why spend time patching a broken tool?) Thanks for your consideration! Yeah, I was just reading one of his replies and I started thinking a lot of what he said was strangely familiar. At that point I quickly realized that his quoting style was at fault. I also can't figure out what he has against the Delete button *and* the Delete entry in the context menu. They do *precisely* what he wants, or at least what he *says* he wants, but he won't accept them. -- Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch) |
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On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 18:35:17 -0500, Docster wrote:
What I really want to know is how do or can I create a link to Recycle Bin in my Send To right click action. I think the question of "how" must be preceded by the question of "why", since Delete is already in the right-click menu. And of course you can always left-click and drag items to the Recycle Bin. Could you perhaps enlighten us as to why you feel the need for an additional pathway? -- Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA http://OakRoadSystems.com Shikata ga nai... |
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On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 18:35:17 -0500, Docster wrote:
This is so much more than I needed and really far afield from my original question/post. What I really want to know is how do or can I create a link to Recycle Bin in my Send To right click action. It appears that even when I create a copy of the RB in Send To in accordance with some of the earlier instructions it does not show up in the right click option block. Is there something peculiar about RB. Another thing I noticed is that there is not option to CreateShortCut. If right-clicking the RecycleBin doesn't give you the "Create shortcut" menu item, try dragging the RecycleBin into the SendTo folder. i.e.: 1. Press Win+R keyboard shortcut to open the Run dialog. 2. In that dialog, type in "%appdata%\microsoft\windows\sendto" then press OK to open the SendTo folder using Windows Explorer. 3. Drag and drop the RecycleBin on the desktop into the SendTo folder contents on Windows Explorer. If step#3 this doesn't work, try using the right mouse button for the drag and drop. When you drop it, there should be a popup menu with "Create shortcut here" menu item. Click that and you're done. If you don't see that menu item, then something is wrong with your system. It could be a broken setting for the RecycleBin shell object (in the registry), or there could be third party shell extension that interfered. |
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On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 18:36:08 -0500, Stan Brown
wrote: On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 20:20:33 -0500, Docster wrote: What is a symbolic link? This is a new term for me. "JJ" wrote in message ... On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 09:19:19 -0500, Mayayana wrote: [quoted text muted] I need to go into those folders frequently, while the design is tediously convoluted and overproduced, so it's worth having a shortcut to at least save some of the travel required to get there. Third and a half idea... Better is you use a junction or a symbolic link. It won't cost you a single cluster. You might not be aware of a big problem with your quoting style. The way your newsreader is doing it, when someone else follows up, it looks like you *said* what you actually only quoted. The problem is that Windows Live Mail versions 15 and 16 have a quoting style that is completely broken. But he was using Windows Live Mail *14*. Is that broken too? I thought it wasn't, but perhaps I've remembered wrong. Unfortunately that poses a painful choice to you: either fix every quote manually, or get a real newsreader such as Gravity, Xananews, and Forte Agent (to mention some that come to mind at the moment). OR, if you really want WLM, some say that WLM 14 will serve. (I've seen a newsgroup posting claiming you can un-break WLM 15 by installing and using an Autohotkey script: http://www.dusko-lolic.from.hr/wlmquote/ But why spend time patching a broken tool?) As far as I'm concerned, I don't care how someone using Windows Live Mail un-breaks the quotes, as long as he fixes it and doesn't send messages where who said what is hard to understand. And if likes other things about the product, patching the broken tool may be worth his while. |
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On Sat, 21 Feb 2015 07:38:18 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:
But he was using Windows Live Mail *14*. Is that broken too? I thought it wasn't, but perhaps I've remembered wrong. Hmm -- it looked like WLM-style quoting, and I saw WLM in the headers, but I failed to notice the version. I don't think 14 was broken in that way -- maybe this was an avatar of Mayayana, who just misquotes to be annoying. -- Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA http://OakRoadSystems.com Shikata ga nai... |
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On Sat, 21 Feb 2015 19:23:26 +0700, JJ wrote:
2. In that dialog, type in "%appdata%\microsoft\windows\sendto" then press OK to open the SendTo folder using Windows Explorer. Or if you're lazy, "shell:sendto" works OK in the Run dialog. Except maybe for me - I have trouble remembering it. -- Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch) |
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On Sat, 21 Feb 2015 12:17:51 -0800, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Sat, 21 Feb 2015 19:23:26 +0700, JJ wrote: 2. In that dialog, type in "%appdata%\microsoft\windows\sendto" then press OK to open the SendTo folder using Windows Explorer. Or if you're lazy, "shell:sendto" works OK in the Run dialog. Except maybe for me - I have trouble remembering it. I posted about that a day or so ago. You mighgt want to bookmark my page: http://oakroadsystems.com/tech/7tip.htm It has a bunch of things like that that I'd never remember otherwise. -- Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA http://OakRoadSystems.com Shikata ga nai... |
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On Sat, 21 Feb 2015 13:40:22 -0500, Stan Brown
wrote: On Sat, 21 Feb 2015 07:38:18 -0700, Ken Blake wrote: But he was using Windows Live Mail *14*. Is that broken too? I thought it wasn't, but perhaps I've remembered wrong. Hmm -- it looked like WLM-style quoting, and I saw WLM in the headers, but I failed to notice the version. I don't think 14 was broken in that way -- maybe this was an avatar of Mayayana, who just misquotes to be annoying. LOL! Maybe so. |
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