Build 10031

On 03/14/2015 06:03 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 14:30:49 -0700, T wrote:

On 03/14/2015 08:30 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
You know, it's really hard to have a discussion with you. I feel like I'm
talking to my nephew. He's 6 years old.

He sounds like a smart kid! :-)

I see what you did there, but I think he's about average for his age. Since
you're not actually that age, it doesn't look good on you.


I am not inclined to resign to maturity!

On 03/14/2015 06:01 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 17:47:24 -0700, T wrote:

On 03/14/2015 02:28 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Fri, 13 Mar 2015 19:33:27 -0700, T wrote:

It BAFFLES me how you have not been caught up in a single
one of them. You must be the luckiest technician to
walk the earth! I hold my breath.

I guess I'm another lucky one.

Still breathing, too.


Hi Gene,

What kind of I.T. work do you do?

-T

I'm my own expert :-)


Hi Gene,

It shows. I see you helping a lot of people.

I get called by the general public. So I only see things when they
go wrong. It is a whole different environment than a corporate
I.T. guy who is stuck inside a box. I see a lot of wonderfully
varied stuff. It is an absolute blast.

And I am not a snob about technology. I will even work on DOS.

I have a rule: I will work on anything as long as it is moral,
legal, and ethical.

I had a customer ask me what I would and would not work on,
I told him my rule and said, if you want to pay me my hourly rate,
you can hand me a mop and I will mop your floor. :-)

My forte is systems: multiple things that are all interconnected
and have to function together.

And I LOVE to solve (electronic) mysteries.

-T

On 03/14/2015 06:27 PM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 18:01:00 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

I'm my own expert :-)

Ahh, the definition of a "consultant"........


Why! Why! Kids these days!

On 03/14/2015 06:00 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 14:28:28 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Fri, 13 Mar 2015 19:33:27 -0700, T wrote:

It BAFFLES me how you have not been caught up in a single
one of them. You must be the luckiest technician to
walk the earth! I hold my breath.

I guess I'm another lucky one.

Still breathing, too.

Great. Now he's going to be doubly baffled and he may feel that he needs to
hold his breath for himself plus the two of us. That could lead to a red
face, or worse.


Char,

Did you even go to the web site I gave you with all
the botched updates? Your job is to help people.
If you don't know what you are up against, you are
at a disadvantage.

I had an accounting firm as a customer years ago
that had me disable everyone's updates during tax
season. If you went to the web site, you would
know why.

Here is the link again:
http://news.softpedia.com/newsTag/botched+update

Play a mental game with yourself. Pick out a couple
of the most recent botches. Test your witts as to
what you do to help. Then compare to the articles
fix action. And have fun!

-T

On 03/14/2015 06:15 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
No, it just led to a subtle put-down.

Hi Gene,

Uh, when did I do that? If I did, it was by accident.
It is important to me that we are good with each other.
I respect your technical opinion and value our
efriendship.

-T

On 03/14/2015 11:13 AM, GreyCloud wrote:
Except that it is stagnating.

Its a living. And it is fun to solve mysteries that others
can't.

Char Jackson wrote:

On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 12:18:01 -0600, GreyCloud wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:

On Fri, 13 Mar 2015 12:12:51 -0700, T wrote:

On 03/13/2015 07:23 AM, Char Jackson wrote:

but I didn't know that
rolling back to a previous RP would also clean up the filesystem

It doesn't. Were in the world did anyone get that impression?

You'd have to ask Grey Cloud.

It mainly rolls back the registry. Damn thing wipes out
all your configurations you set up the week before.

That's pretty much why I disable the feature. Even if a restore fixes
one issue, what other changes did it silently make at the same time? I
don't know.

I've used RP a few times. It seems that HP did a very good job of
implementing their version. In my process of cleaning out VS2013
community edition to regain space, I mistakenly kicked out a few files
that VS2010
needed. So RP not only rolled back the registry it also restored the
deleted files and everything was back to working order.

And what else?

Not sure I follow the question. It works. Of course HP does add a lot of
their own systems software which is why I like them in the first place.

On 03/14/2015 11:25 AM, GreyCloud wrote:
T wrote:

On 03/13/2015 12:07 PM, GreyCloud wrote:

Very little crime here in the Kootenai tribal area. It's usually just drunk
problems more than anything else. Our local college has a computer science
class and they use RedHat Linux for their os to teach with. It's a lot
cheaper and it does learn them the basics.

Hi Grey Cloud,

I read your tribe's history and read the Wikipedia artile on your
tribe:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ktunaxa

Only 67 of you left?! My heart breaks.

-T

Char Jackson wrote:

On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 12:19:13 -0600, GreyCloud wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:

On Fri, 13 Mar 2015 13:03:48 -0600, GreyCloud wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:

I don't use Restore Points, and in fact that's one of the very first
features I disable on each of my personal systems, but I didn't know
that rolling back to a previous RP would also clean up the filesystem.
I'm very surprised to hear that, and if it's true, it makes me
extremely happy to know that this feature is disabled.

At the time I was busy cleaning up the remnants off my hard drive that
was
eating up a lot of space. Unfortuanely, one particular remnant
directory
was also tied to VS. VS wouldn't load any projects. So I resorted to
the
restore point. Problem solved. All you have to do is make a restore
point once a week and you won't have any problems.

Regarding that last sentence, I'm sorry but I don't believe that for a
second.

Then you apparently just don't do much system cleaning then.

No, that's not the problem with that statement. The problem is that you're
saying that if everyone made a restore point once a week then no one would
have any problems. Restore points don't prevent problems, as you surely
must know. In the best case, they might fix an issue, but you never know
what else they might 'fix' at the same time. Restore points aren't able to
read your mind. Instead, they just change everything they think they
should change, all at once. In anything less than the best case, they make
one or more changes to your system without fixing the issue you're
currently interested in, so you're left wondering what got changed while
knowing that the thing that was surely broken is still broken. It's sort
of a lose-lose.

No, it is a win-win situation... you are rolling your entire system to an
earlier date before a bad situation strikes. Like a bad download of an OS
update, even tho there was nothing wrong with the update, but a glitch in
the download. RP will restore the system before things went bad.
That is the whole point of using RPs.

T wrote:

On 03/14/2015 05:53 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 12:19:13 -0600, GreyCloud wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:

On Fri, 13 Mar 2015 13:03:48 -0600, GreyCloud wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:

I don't use Restore Points, and in fact that's one of the very first
features I disable on each of my personal systems, but I didn't know
that rolling back to a previous RP would also clean up the
filesystem. I'm very surprised to hear that, and if it's true, it
makes me extremely happy to know that this feature is disabled.

At the time I was busy cleaning up the remnants off my hard drive that
was
eating up a lot of space. Unfortuanely, one particular remnant
directory
was also tied to VS. VS wouldn't load any projects. So I resorted to
the
restore point. Problem solved. All you have to do is make a restore
point once a week and you won't have any problems.

Regarding that last sentence, I'm sorry but I don't believe that for a
second.

Then you apparently just don't do much system cleaning then.

No, that's not the problem with that statement. The problem is that
you're saying that if everyone made a restore point once a week then no
one would have any problems. Restore points don't prevent problems, as
you surely must know. In the best case, they might fix an issue, but you
never know what else they might 'fix' at the same time. Restore points
aren't able to read your mind. Instead, they just change everything they
think they should change, all at once. In anything less than the best
case, they make one or more changes to your system without fixing the
issue you're currently interested in, so you're left wondering what got
changed while knowing that the thing that was surely broken is still
broken. It's sort of a lose-lose.


Hi Char,

I think he knows that.

I too prefer to just fix the problem, rather than rolling back.
But, it is a nice tool if all else fails.

When you delete a system file, there is only one real solution... the RP.
It does restore the file that was deleted. I used RP to restore this system
after trying out the latest IE browser. I didn't like it at all, so I used
RP and everything was back to normal. This particular version I'm using was
developed by HP, not MS. Best one I've used in a very long time.

T wrote:

On 03/14/2015 11:25 AM, GreyCloud wrote:
Very little crime here in the Kootenai tribal area. It's usually just
drunk
problems more than anything else. Our local college has a computer
science
class and they use RedHat Linux for their os to teach with. It's a lot
cheaper and it does learn them the basics.


Hi Grey Cloud,

I logged into your tribe's web site.

http://kootenai.org/main.html

(Tell them guys they need to switch from Flash to HTML5).
When I get a free moment, I am going to love to read over
your history page. That is if I can pry myself away from
the Fish and Wildlife page


LOL!!! It is definitely a fishermans paradise here.
And I have no control over what the college uses.

T wrote:

On 03/14/2015 11:54 AM, GreyCloud wrote:
SE Linux will block them from going were they shouldn't. This
is why I prefer Red Hat's offering as it comes with SE Linux built
in and enabled.

Are you sure of that? MS could say the same thing, but still insists on
using the secure versions.


Hi Grey Cloud,

I had a great video with the creator of SE Linux talking
about this new containerized half a VM thing they got going
whose name I an not remember. If I find it, I will send you
the link. It was all about keeping the root users
in the guest out of the everything else in the host.

Am I the only one who thinks it is insane that M$ allows
the users accounts to have Admin/root privileges
BY DEFAULT! No wonder it is so easy to catch junkware
and fall for viruses in the eMail.


No, not really. Admin has some rights a regular user has, but not root like
privledges. There is a hack that is called "God-Mode" but I won't use it.
ACLs are what they use and it can get complicated. All the os does is to
try and keep the user from making a serious mistake and make it difficult to
do. Solaris has the same mechanism and also extends it further into Roles
for different users on the system. Then they have zones, and I never went
into studying that aspect of the os.

The email program has to catch this stuff on the fly with a good virus
checker, but my ISP does all of that work for me anyway.
When I was hooked up to a mom'n Pop ISP, I couldn't even download a virus
definition from Nortons without catching a virus in the process. At that
time I switched over to a Sun Workstation, and the wife an iMac. No
problems after that. The VAXStation 4000 never did have that problem with
viruses as the OS used four ring levels of isolation, whereas linux and
windows and OS X use only two ring levels.

Today it doesn't matter anymore.

In the last episode of ,
Roderick Stewart said:

Windows doesn't exactly "own" the PC market. It's numerically dominant
because it's installed by default on the majority of computers you can
buy ready built in shops, and we all know what the average user does
about defaults. Anybody who wants to can install what they like. If
only they knew there was a choice, things might be different.

This was the hope of various Linux desktop offerings during the early
Netbook days. The return rates at my then-current local computer shop
were apparently 75%+ on the Linux Netbooks, under 20% for Windows
Netbooks (which is still very high, but a lot of people were expecting
full laptops). A good chunk of the Linux returns swapped for a machine
with Windows installed.

These were the only Linux machines they sold at the time, so it was
difficult to compare with other products. Obviously it's completely
antidotal, but it showed that people really will pay more for Windows.

--
"I know I'd rather die in a terrorist attack then suffer through
an uncomfortable shower with a gay"
-- The Daily Show, 2006-09-18

On 03/14/2015 10:05 PM, GreyCloud wrote:
T wrote:

On 03/14/2015 11:25 AM, GreyCloud wrote:
Very little crime here in the Kootenai tribal area. It's usually just
drunk
problems more than anything else. Our local college has a computer
science
class and they use RedHat Linux for their os to teach with. It's a lot
cheaper and it does learn them the basics.


Hi Grey Cloud,

I logged into your tribe's web site.

http://kootenai.org/main.html

(Tell them guys they need to switch from Flash to HTML5).
When I get a free moment, I am going to love to read over
your history page. That is if I can pry myself away from
the Fish and Wildlife page


LOL!!! It is definitely a fishermans paradise here.
And I have no control over what the college uses.


Hi Grey Cloud,

I hate exercise. Rode a stationary bicycle one and thought I'd
died on got to hell. But, you put a fishing rod in my hand
and tell me there are trout over yonder, I will walk, hike,
crawl on my belly to get to them. Fishing is truly an obsession.

-T

On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 17:46:16 -0700, T wrote:

On 03/14/2015 08:56 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
Noticed one model of Dell laptop that you have to unscrew
a panel and more screws to get the battery out. Made
for a nightmare for one lady who was running Frankenstein
(w8). Since she used her laptop of a desktop and never
took it anywhere, I had her kid just remove the stinking
battery permanently. Now when Frankie does its thing,
she just jerks out the charger cord and problem solved.
What was Dell thinking!

I'm not sure what problem you might be referring to, but the way I see it
replacing a battery is something you might possibly do every few years, if
that, so as long as it's replaceable I don't care if it's a snap-on panel or
if a few screws are involved. Truth be told, I'd almost be willing to bet
that most people NEVER replace a laptop battery. I never have, on any of my
personal laptops.


Hi Char,

Those panels are not easy for older hands to remove. And those
screws are really small and can get lost in the carpet really
easy.

Then the solution is simple. Have the old guy step aside and do it yourself.
I assume you're a teenager, right? You should have relatively good
dexterity.

You should never run a laptop with a difficult battery
removal with an unstable operating system.

XP and later OSs aren't inherently unstable. Heck, even W2k wasn't unstable.
Are you going all the way back to 98 and 95 with that statement?